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Panel Trump Planned to Claim Victory No Matter What; Video Shows Congressional Leaders Scrambling to Respond; Messages Show Secret Service Warned About Violence; Ukraine Reports New Rocket Strike on Zaporizhzhia; Western Allies United Behind Ukraine; New Figures Show Inflation Rising, Interest Rate Hike Expected; Truss Facing Backlash Over Plans for Unfunded Tax Cuts. Aired 4-4:30a ET
Aired October 14, 2022 - 04:00 ET
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SCOTT JENNINGS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Clear example to me of somebody that if there ever is going to be one, there needs to be one, but I keep returning to this idea of a jury of American citizens put in a room to make a decision inside of an institution that is supposed to have integrity and that we're all supposed to trust.
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CAMEROTA: Our coverage continues.
MAX FOSTER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and a warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the United States and all around the world. I'm Max Foster in London. Just ahead.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is not coming, but that could change.
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA) HOUSE SPEAKER: If he comes, I am going to punch him out.
PELOSI: We're waiting for this. For trespassing on the Capitol grounds. I am going to punch him out and I'm going to go to jail and I'm going to be happy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm disgusted with our legal system. I'm disgusted with those jurors.
LLOYD AUSTIN, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE : We will not be dragged into Russia's war of choice but we will stand by Ukraine as it fights to defend itself.
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ANNOUNCER: Live from London, this is CNN NEWSROOM with Max Foster.
FOSTER: It's Friday, October 14th. 9 a.m. here in London. 4 a.m. in Washington, D.C., where the committee investigating the January 6th Capitol riot has voted unanimously to subpoena Donald Trump for testimony and documents.
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REP. LIZ CHENEY (R-WY): We are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who set this all in motion.
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FOSTER: Trump is not expected to comply which could lead to criminal charges in a lengthy court battle. The panel wants Trump to explain his efforts to overturn the 2020 election and his role in the deadly attack on the Capitol. The committee also presented a trove of evidence about the former president's plan to claim election fraud. CNN's Manu Raju has the details.
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MANU RAJU, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The January 6 committee tonight revealing new evidence showing Trump planned all along to try and stay in office.
REP. LIZ CHENEY (R-WY): President Trump had a premeditated plan to declare that the election was fraudulent and stolen before Election Day, before he knew the election results.
ROGER STONE, TRUMP ALLY: The key thing to do is claim victory.
Let's get right to the violence.
STEVE BANNON, FORMER TRUMP AIDE: If Biden is winning, Trump is going to do some crazy (BLEEP).
RAJU (voice-over): Evan drafting a prepared election day statement days before votes were cast, declaring that Trump had won. But while Trump privately admitted to some that he lost, he continued to fight. Becoming enraged when the Supreme Court threw out a Republican effort to overturn the election, telling his chief of staff Mark Meadows that something else needed to be done to stay in power.
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, FORMER MARK MEADOWS AIDE: I don't want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. Figure it out. We need to figure it out.
RAJU (voice-over): Trump began pushing the bogus notion that voting machines switched votes from Trump to Biden, even something his own advisors said had no basis in truth.
BILL BARR, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I went into this and would, you know, tell him how crazy some of these allegations were. There was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were.
RAJU (voice-over): And the committee showing deposition from witnesses describing Trump's inaction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone was watching TV.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's my understanding he was watching television.
RAJU (voice-over): All while playing new video of lawmakers running for shelter for violent rioters while trying to keep Congress from certifying the 2020 election for Joe Biden.
PELOSI: Apparently, everybody on the floor is putting on tear gas masks.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): I'm going to call the effin' secretary of DOD.
PELOSI: I have something to say, Mr. Secretary. I'm going to call the mayor of Washington, D.C. right now.
Just breaking windows and doing all -- it's really unbelievable. They said somebody was shot. It's just horrendous, they said somebody was shot. It's just horrendous, and all at the instigation of the president of the United States.
SCHUMER: Yes, why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the Capitol, Mr. Attorney General, in your law enforcement responsibility.
RAJU (voice-over): New messages revealed by the committee showing how the U.S. Secret Service was well aware of the violent rhetoric in the days leading up to January 6.
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): In this email, an agent received a report noting a lot of violent rhetoric on Parler directed at government people and entities, including Secret Service protectees. One of these protectees was Vice President Pence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every single (BLEEP) in there is a traitor. Every single one.
SCHIFF: They are moving to the Capitol after the POTUS speech.
RAJU: Now I asked the chairman of the committee, Bennie Thompson, about what the committee would do if Donald Trump decided to fight this, would they go to court?
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He would not go that far. And he said ask Donald Trump when I asked him about some of these next steps. Now, he did indicate that they would not go forward with a separate subpoena for former Vice President Mike Pence. Now Donald Trump himself has responded. He posted on his social media page attacking the Select Committee not saying whether or not he would actually testify but calling it the, quote, unselect committee and asking them why didn't they ask him to testify months ago. Now the committee revealing also in its hearing that there could have
been potential obstruction, trying to deny witnesses from cooperating and testifying before the committee. They said that will continued to investigate in months ahead and ultimately will be detailed in their final report.
Manu Raju, CNN, Capitol Hill.
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FOSTER: CNN has obtained exclusive access to more behind the scenes footage of the congressional leaders scrambling for an end to the January 6 riot. It comes from filmmaker, Alexandra Pelosi, the daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She was in Washington shooting a documentary when the riot broke out. A warning, this clip does contain profanity.
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SCHUMER: D.C. has requested the National Guard and it's been denied by DOD. I'd like to know a good goddamn reason why it's been denied, apologize for being so negative.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, don't talk.
SCHUMER: Please. If the whole Capitol is rampage, there's a picture of someone sitting in this chair or the Senate --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired.
SCHUMER: -- you've all been evacuated, there's been shots fired. We need a full National Guard component now. Is it denying it the first? OK, then I won't take you get the -- we need them fast. We've all had that. Never seen anything like this. We're like a third-world country here. We have to run in evacuate the Capitol, 400 congressmen, 200 senators and all the staff. OK, we need help right away. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Bye, bye.
They have denied this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.
SCHUMER: I spoke to the Secretary of the Army. He's giving a full OK to give the National Guard, he said it was denied. I'm going to call up the effing Secretary of DOD.
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FOSTER: We have more now on the warnings of potential violence received well in advance by the U.S. Secret Service too. Manu Raju's report mentioned direct threats to then Vice President Mike Pence. Newly revealed communications show it went much further than that.
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REP. ADAM SCHIFF, (D-CA): Days before January 6, the present senior advisors at the Department of Justice and FBI, for example, received an intelligence summary that included material indicating that certain people traveling to Washington were making plans to attack the Capitol. This summer, he noted online calls to occupy federal buildings, rhetoric about invading the Capitol Building.
GEN. MARK MILLEY, U.S. JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF CHAIRMAN: Norquist says during one of these calls the greatest threat is a direct assault on the Capitol.
SCHIFF: Their plan is to literally kill people. Our lawmakers in Congress can leave one of two ways. One, in a body bag. Two, after rightfully certifying Trump the winner.
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FOSTER: The chief of staff to former Vice President Mike Pence testified Thursday in Washington before a grand jury investigating January 6th. A person familiar with the matter said Marc Short was compelled to testify despite Donald Trump's claims of executive privilege. Thursday was Short's second appearance before the grand jury.
The U.S. Supreme Court has dealt another setback to Donald Trump. This time over the FBI's search of his Mar-a-Lago estate. CNN's Evan Perez has the details.
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EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR U.S. JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: The Supreme Court refused to intervene on Donald Trump's behalf in his legal fight with the Justice Department over documents seized by the FBI in a surge of his Florida beach club in August. Trump had asked a high court to allow a third party judge called a special master to get access to about 100 documents marked as classified. The Supreme Court rejected the request in a brief order with no dissents noted.
The special master is already reviewing more than 21,000 pages looking for documents that could be personal or subject to attorney-client privilege. The Justice Department prosecutors and the FBI have already resumed their investigative work using the documents to talk to witnesses. There's still a broader appeal pending before the Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta.
Evan Perez, CNN, Washington.
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FOSTER: In Ukraine we're getting reports from the southern city of Zaporizhzhia once again coming under rocket fire, Russian rocket fire. A Ukrainian officials say a rocket damaged the city Friday morning on the heels of similar strikes that left dozens of people killed or wounded. That's happening as Russia says it will evacuate civilians from the Kherson region as Ukrainian forces gain ground.
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It's one of the occupied areas Moscow declared annexed last month.
Meanwhile, an American veteran volunteering to fight in Ukraine has died. Family members say Dane Partridge passed away on Tuesday after being wounded in a Russian ambush earlier this month.
And further west an 11-year-old boy who was pulled from a collapsed building in the city of Mykolaiv has also died. Officials say the boy named Artem spent six hours trapped in the rubble after a Russian missile attacked on Thursday. He was alive when rescuers reached him but he later died of cardiac arrest in hospital.
Salma is following developments in Ukraine for us. What do you make of these latest very tragic stories?
SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I mean we're off the back of a very extraordinary week in Ukraine. Some of the worst assaults from Russia since really the beginning of the conflict that spanned all across the country. From Lviv all the way down to the front lines.
But coming out of this week I think President Zelenskyy looks even stronger. He's just had all these pledges of support, weapons, money coming from his Western allies. Yesterday NATO defense ministers pledging those air defense systems. The artillery, the ammunition he needs. Also, promising counter drone equipment. This is important because we've seen Russia step up its drone usage.
And in Russia just yesterday a kamikaze drone was used in Kyiv region. So that's important. All of this support being flown in to President Zelenskyy. And still the counteroffensive on the ground, regardless of this assault from the Kremlin, the counteroffensive on the ground making gains.
We know in the south in the Kherson region villages have been claimed by Ukrainian troops. Now we understand Moscow is under so much pressure from Ukrainian forces that they might actually evacuate people from out of occupied Kherson.
Still a President Putin who is on the back foot. And you've seen a flurry of diplomatic activity as well, right. This week as EU energy ministers try to prepare for the winter, try to wean themselves off of that dependency on Russian oil and gas.
So, a weekend in which President Zelenskyy is still coming out strong. Greater support, greater resolutions from his Western partners. But now there are serious fears about civilians in Ukraine yet again if President Putin's strategy is switching here to try to inflict that suffering upon residential areas across Ukraine. Hitting infrastructure, energy infrastructure what was seen this week. That will be crucial this winter. That will be important to see how that plays out -- Max.
FOSTER: OK's, Salma, thank you.
Meanwhile, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is set to meet members of the so-called Bucharest 9 group. It comprises of nine East European countries including Romania and Poland. Their talks in Brussels come after yesterday's meeting of NATO defense ministers. That's when Austin said the alliance is working to strengthen its own ranks.
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LLOYD AUSTIN, U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY: NATO continues to make clear that we will not be dragged into Russia's war of choice. But we will stand by Ukraine as it fights to defend itself. And we will continue to strengthen NATO's collective defense.
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FOSTER: Russia is proposing to shift some of its natural gas exports to Turkey. President Vladimir Putin made the proposal to his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a summit in Kazakhstan on Thursday. The idea is to move some of the gas flow from the damage Nord Stream pipeline to other lines going through Turkey. But Mr. Putin says that from there Russian gas could go to Europe and other customers.
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VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): If there is interest from Turkey and from our potential buyers in other countries, we could have considered the civility of building another gas pipeline and creation of the gas supply hub in Turkey to supply gas to other countries, first of all to the European countries if they are interested obviously.
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FOSTER: Now prices are rising in the U.S. and that could mean more interest rate spikes from the Federal Reserve. A rundown of the latest grim financial numbers just ahead.
And the U.K. is facing its own financial troubles with a shrinking economy and growing worries of an eminent recession. Why critics say the Prime Minister is heading in the wrong direction.
Plus, the killer of 17 people at a Florida high school four years ago will spend the rest of his life behind bars. It wasn't the outcome the victim's families had been hoping for though.
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FOSTER: U.S. stocks ended Thursday on an up note, despite taking an early nose dive after new figures revealed inflation still rising stoking fears that multiple big rate hikes could be coming from the Federal Reserve. But in the end the market rallied as investors focused on strong earnings from Delta, Walgreens and others. The Dow says 2.8 percent before the close posting its biggest percentage gain of the year.
Wall Street's new trading day gets underway in just under five hours. Here's where U.S. futures stand right now in pretty good stead off the back of those gains yesterday. Meanwhile, the European markets are up and running and this is how
they look. All up including the FTSE in London, which is pretty obsessed right now with U.K. politics. We've been talking about that in a moment.
These are the Asian markets. They're all up as well. Positive gains across the board.
Now the White House tried to put a positive spin on the latest grim economic figures. President Biden acknowledged the economic pain Americans are feeling but pointed out inflation has dropped significantly from the start of the year. As Rahel Solomon details, that's small comfort from those that are really struggling.
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RAHEL SOLOMON, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Thursday's CPI report delivering tough but unmistakable message. The Fed has a long road ahead in its inflation fight. Consumer prices rose 0.4 percent in the month of September. Twice what many economists were expecting. Inflation also higher by 8.2 percent over the last year.
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Costs continue to rise in key essential categories like shelter or accommodations, medical care and food. In fact, grocery prices rose in all six major food categories that the report tracks including fruits and vegetables, meat, poultry, fish. Now on the other hand, prices for gasoline fell in September 4.9 percent although we know they've been creeping up more recently.
Thursday's CPI report also illustrating that inflation has spread beyond volatile categories like food and energy. Core inflation which strips away those two categories, rose 0.6 percent in September or 6.6 percent annually. That is a fresh 40-year high.
The report comes after months of inflation readings that suggested perhaps inflation was moderating. Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody's, tweeting a response.
No amount of hand waving can make today's CPI less ugly.
The hotter than expected inflation report increasing the odds that the Federal Reserve will hike its benchmark interest rate by another 3/4 of 1 percent at its November meeting. If so, that would be four consecutive rate hikes of that size. Something we have not seen in modern history. When the Fed raises rates, the cost of borrowing goes up making things like a home loan and practically anything with an interest rate more expensive which is the point.
The Fed is trying to cool spending just enough that prices start to cool. But if spending cools too much, we could experience a recession. Now one part of the economy still working in America's favor is the job market which remains very strong with unemployment at historic lows. Rahel Solomon, CNN, New York.
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FOSTER: Inflation is hitting everywhere in the world and top financial leaders are meeting in Washington to try to charter a path forward. The head of the International monetary fund said it's imperative that global inflation is brought under control.
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KRISTALINA GEORGIEVA, IMF MANAGING DIRECTOR: We need to continue to fight inflation until we win this fight and the Fed is going to do exactly that. Why is it necessary? Because if you lose price stability, we undermine growth and we hit people's well-being.
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FOSTER: And many economists and bankers worry that the United Kingdom's plan to kick start its economy could short circuit international efforts to tame inflation. They say the global strategy right now should be for all of the world's major economies to aim for moderate growth, not speed it up. British Prime Minister Liz Truss facing major push back for her plan to get the economy moving again with tax cuts the critics say will crush the country's working class. This as concerns grow that the U.K. could soon be in recession after new figures showing the country's economy shrank unexpectedly in August.
Surge inflation is taking a heavy toll on many British households. The nation's currency is losing its luster. Again, down today 1/3 of 1 percent. The pound did pick up 1 percent Thursday as rumors swirled that the Prime Minister may be planning some more changes to her economic plan. But weeks of economic turmoil have thrown U.K. markets for a loop.
The finance minister has flown back early from the IMF meetings to deal with the latest rumors. At least we think that's the case. It was extraordinary, wasn't it, Bianca? When we heard last night that Kwarteng was flying over when during the day he said, everything was in control, everything going as planned.
BIANCA NOBILO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It seems to be par for the course, the government. Even though ministers come out this morning and said there's nothing unusual to see here. Obviously, we look at the context and clearly there is.
And the government is in such a difficult position because on the one hand if they don't U-turn on more measures in this mini budget, it's likely that when the Bank of England stops its bailout today that the markets will be sent into the spiral again. They may not be able to pass these things through Parliament which is tantamount to collapsing the government. But if they do U-turn, the U-turning on central tenants of what they promised the people that elected Liz Truss to the become leader of the Conservative Party, there is no good move here. FOSTER: OK, and in terms of what might happen in terms of leadership,
there's not any talk about this budget plan. There's also talk about getting rid of Truss.
NOBILO: Yes, open discussions.
FOSTER: And an obvious candidate lining up.
NOBILO: Yes. So obviously we don't know if it will happen. We don't know how soon it will happen. But we can definitely say that in Westminster now and indeed in all of the newspapers this morning have splashed the question, can Liz Truss last? How long will she last?
There's discussion about a possible coronation of a unity candidate. And the reason why that is desirable to the Conservative Party is it's generally considered this leadership contest, most are on edifying spectacles. We just had one. It's ridiculous enough but a party would have to have three Prime Ministers in one year. So, they want to avoid any kind of further disruption. So, the idea that party and party elders or senior figures like former Prime Ministers, former leaders will have to get together and say here's a candidate the party can unite behind, that's being discussed.
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Though changing the mechanism by which a leader would be chosen.
FOSTER: Rishi Sunak.
NOBILO: Rishi Sunak and potentially combined with Penny Mordaunt is being suggested. Because those were the other two that were there the final candidates from the ticket to become prime minister last time. So, the two of them combined would have a parliamentary majority.
FOSTER: Bianca, thank you. Now we're watching that very closely today.
Now the once unthinkable is now a reality. Netflix with ads is here. The streaming giant unveiled basic with ads -- its much anticipated ad supported subscription plan. The new tier will cost $6.99 a month in the U.S. and will be available November 3rd for most of the world. The company said the current plans and members will not be impacted. Netflix once the king of streaming services is now facing stiff competition from the likes of Hulu, Disney+ and CNN sister network HBO. In April the company disclosed that it lost subscribers for the first time in more than a decade.
Twitter said in a court filing that U.S. federal authorities are investigating Elon Musk in connection with his $44 billion takeover bid. It's not clear which agencies might be conducting the probe in the filing. Twitter also accused Musk's legal team of failing to produce draft communications with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Musk's attorneys said the filing is designed to distract from Twitter's own legal problems. Twitter sued Musk after he tried to back out of his deal to buy the social media platform. Musk has since proposed reviving the purchase and has until October 28th to close the deal. Much more ahead on CNN NEWSROOM including a deeper dive into the never
before seen footage of Congressional leaders scrambling to bring an end to the January 6th U.S. Capitol riot.
Also ahead, a jury rejects the death penalty for the killer of 17 students and teachers at a Florida high school. We'll hear the family's stunned reaction to the sentence.
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