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Aired October 16, 2022 - 15:00   ET

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JONATHAN MAHLER, STAFF WRITER, "THE NEW YORK TIMES": But the family really didn't recover. I mean, this was -- from James this was really the end of his rise and for Lachlan, it was the beginning of what would become his rise and he would soon kind of become the heir apparent to take over the company.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: Fascinating, and that's why it is a focal point in this series. Thank you so much. Jonathan Mahler, appreciate it.

And "The Murdochs: Empire of Influence" airs tonight at 10:00 PM.

All right, thank you so much for joining me this weekend.

I'm Fredricka Whitfield. The CNN NEWSROOM continues with Jim Acosta right now.

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JIM ACOSTA, CNN HOST: You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jim Acosta in Washington.

New today, a member of the January 6 Committee weighing in on what would happen if former President Donald Trump ignores their promised subpoena. Here is Congressman Adam Kinzinger.

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: Do you believe that the Justice Department, if the President refuses, should hold him in criminal contempt?

REP. ADAM KINZINGER (R-IL): Look, that's a bridge we cross if we have to get there. You know, look, we will recognize the fact that because of the Committee only been able to exist until the end of this congressional year, because that was the mandate, we are at a bit of a time limit here.

And as we're wrapping up the investigation, we're also pursuing new leads and facts. And we want to speak to the President.

Look, he's made it clear, he has nothing to hide is what he says. So he should come in on the day we asked him to come into. If he pushes off beyond that, we'll figure out what to do next. Granted that, you know, this is not an unprecedented move by Congress, but it's also -- we recognize, this as a big deal. This is a big move.

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ACOSTA: Trump so far has not said whether he will comply, and he has doubled down on his election lies that the 2020 race was stolen from him. In the meantime, we're getting more never-before-seen video of the January 6th attack, video that was subpoenaed and sent to Congress by a British documentary filmmaker, Alex Holder, but it has not been seen publicly, until now.

We want to warn you, this new video includes some graphic language. Watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The message is in. And they are saying that they stopped whatever. And right now -- right now the people in the Capitol are sheltering in place. They have gone to one of these safe rooms or whatever, and they are sheltering in place.

We have the Capitol. There are Patriots inside the Capitol.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I have never in my life been so angry at 534 pieces shit up here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're the roaches in the Capitol. We've got to get the roaches out -- all of them -- every one of them. They have turned against us. Every one of them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exterminate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exterminate and I never thought that I would be this mad at a country that I was so proud of.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It pisses me off, but I'm proud to be here. I'm so happy everybody is here. This is just wonderful. I can't tell you how good this is. It's just -- it is time. We are going to get this country back.

(INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS.)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is unity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's right. And I'm proud to call him my President. He is the best thing ever happened to this country? And you know what? I'm going to stand by him to the end.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll tell you, these are demon-possessed man up here. They're trying to take over our country with Communist China.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want to fight them. They are satanic. You know, Pence is bad, right?

(CROWD chanting "USA.")

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pence is bad.

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ACOSTA: Disturbing stuff.

Joining me now is filmmaker Alex Holder, who you may remember testified before the January 6 Committee about his experience making a documentary about Trump's reelection campaign.

Alex, great to have you back on the show. We appreciate it.

Some very disturbing footage there, and it really gets into the mindset of some of the rioters who were up on Capitol Hill that day, what they were saying, you know, that one man talking about exterminating the cockroaches in Congress. It's very disturbing.

Talk to me about how you went back and took a look at this footage and what you come away with?

ALEX HOLDER, FILMMAKER: Yes, I mean, it is an absolutely extraordinary day.

I mean, and the reason for all of this, right, is that they weren't just totally riled up. I mean, from the morning all the way through until the actual insurrection itself. I mean, it was just one speaker after another, just really pushing the crowd and it was like almost this religious fervor.

I mean, people really believe what they were doing was at the behest of the then President and what they needed to do to essentially overthrow the elected American government to keep Trump in power.

I mean, it was absolutely true, and you can see the passion and the feeling on all of these people's faces. They genuinely believe what they were doing was correct.

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HOLDER: And it was because the President had at the time, been telling them, that the election was stolen, and they needed to take it back.

ACOSTA: And let's play some more of this new video of what people in the crowd were saying that day because it goes to exactly what you were just saying, Alex. Let's watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pence is going down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are going in.

(INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS.)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is our house. This is the people's house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do not stop. Continue to storm the Capitol. Do not stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come see some history. Come see it. Come see people take the house back. Come see it.

This shit is going to be biblical. We've been telling y'all. Here it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On to the Capitol.

(INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS.)

(UNIDENTIFIED MALE Shouting.)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did it.

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ACOSTA: And Alex, I mean, there are some portions that, I mean, they're just so disturbing, we can't even show our viewers, just indicating how much in physical distress, and how -- I mean, it was just on the edge for some of these insurrectionists and rioters that day and it just boggles the mind how anybody in their right mind could ever assert that this was a false flag operation or Antifa or any of those cockamamie stories that we were hearing in the beginning in the days after January 6th.

I wonder what you think about when you go back and just see rioter after rioter after rioter just really, all but swearing their allegiance to Trump and putting their lives on the line for him?

HOLDER: I mean, it's terrifying. It's absolute terrifying. And they literally did put their lives on the line. I mean, we captured this moment where one of his own supporters is essentially crushed to death and dies on the steps of the Capitol. I mean, that's just such a remarkable, horrific thing to think about, right?

I mean, this person, these people were there because the United States President told them to go there. Let's march down Pennsylvania Avenue, to the Capitol, you know, and fight like hell. I mean, they were there. His own supporters were there. And they died, literally, on the steps of the United States Capitol.

This isn't a one-off moment, you know, where we can sort of like push it under the carpet and move on. I mean, this is something that's absolutely extraordinary and horrific, and came from the United States President, who is still spouting this rhetoric, this dangerous rhetoric, and in fact, has now moved on to other dangerous rhetoric as well.

I mean, it's never ending, and I think it just needs to be -- it needs to really be understood why these people went there, and the power that he had, and the power of the presidency, right, and at the power he had to make these people go and die for him is something that needs to be understood, for sure. And he needs to accept his responsibility, frankly.

ACOSTA: Well, and that gets me to some of my next questions. It really is extraordinary how important filmmakers have been to this investigation, not just you, but that documentary crew from Denmark that was filming Roger Stone. There is Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Alexandria.

I mean, we had no idea that she had this footage of what was taking place with her mother and other lawmakers that day, trying to get the National Guard and police up to Capitol Hill.

All of you have played such a huge role in preserving the historical record. How crucial is it that we have this footage now captured for future generations of Americans and people around the world?

HOLDER: Imperative, absolutely imperative. I mean, to have a snapshot of what was going on during this time, but all of this I mean, I think having a record of what the President was thinking, what people were doing, elected officials were doing during this time.

I mean, the fact is, you just referred to Speaker Pelosi on the phone. I mean, it's absolutely extraordinary seeing this behind the scenes playing out, and you can just see how scared they were, how concerned they were about their colleagues, about the fact that their place of business was being ransacked.

And this is not just any office, right? This is literally the United States Capitol. So absolutely imperative to have this captured and recorded for posterity. Absolutely.

ACOSTA: And I wanted to ask you, because you had time to sit down with President Trump and interview him. And you know, his state of mind came up during the January 6th hearings, and there was a lot of discussion about how he knew that he had lost the election. This was something that that several aides brought up in some of the testimony that was played to the American people just this past week.

I was wondering, did he indicate any of that to you when you were talking to him?

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HOLDER: No. When I met him, he genuinely, I felt believed in his position entirely, his incoherent absolutely nonsensical, false dangerous position. He believed in that absolutely. And he still -- I mean, I believe that he still does. I don't think that takes away culpability whatsoever. There's people that believe lots of things that are not true. And I think in some ways --

ACOSTA: I guess, what was your reaction, not to cut you off, but Alex, what was your reaction then when you saw people like Cassidy Hutchinson and so on, say, "Oh, yes, he was acknowledging behind the scenes." It's almost like he has multiple personalities or something. I mean, it's just it's -- it's baffling.

HOLDER: Absolutely, I mean, he is somewhat deranged, I mean, to maintain this position, all the way through. It is just obviously completely incoherent and he just doesn't accept the fact that what he is doing is incredibly dangerous.

But I mean, I think that there's lots of different perspectives as to what he is thinking and to be honest, the only person we will know that is him. I mean, he'll be the only person that can actually answer as to what he really believes and I don't think we will ever -- I mean, the question, ultimately is, you know, can you ever get any introspection from Donald Trump? I mean, I don't think so. But, but he's a dangerous -- he's a dangerous man.

ACOSTA: No, I think that's the case. I mean, that was a case that we all observed when we were covering him in the White House Press Corps.

Let me ask you this. You were subpoenaed as part of the investigation in Georgia, looking at whether Trump pressured State officials to overturn the 2020 results in that State. I have to ask you, was there anything that jumped out at you during that process that led you to believe that they may be moving in the direction of trying to charge the former President with attempting to steal the election in that State?

HOLDER: Well, from my perspective, you know, he definitely spoke a lot about Georgia during my first interview with him at the White House where he was referring to the Secretary of State and other officials as stupid people, and that they should do certain, what I believed to be somewhat unlawful things, by taking away the process from them and giving it to the State Legislature, because he believed that they agreed with his position. So, he did speak quite a bit about Georgia.

And it was -- he actually, sort of thought it through, there was like a plan that he had, and then obviously, a month later, after that interview that I had with him, he was then on the phone to the Secretary of State of Georgia, trying to get him to find the 11,000 votes or so.

So, I mean, it was just one extraordinary thing after another with him, isn't it?

ACOSTA: Absolutely. Well, Alex, I mean, you were definitely on the scene there. You know, capturing a lot of this very important footage, you and your crew. Kudos to all of you and all of the documentary filmmakers. If we didn't have this footage, it would be so easy for many of the former President's supporters to brush off some of some of what has, you know, emerged in the investigation into what happened on January 6th, and you can't say that these things didn't happen when it's there on video. So Alex, thanks to you. Thanks to you. We really appreciate it.

HOLDER: Thanks so much. Thank you.

AC All right, good to talk to you.

Up next: Is California's serial killer finally behind bars? Police arrest a man they say was out hunting and on a mission to kill. A live report from Stockton, next.

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ACOSTA: A man is in jail today in Northern California. Police believe he is the serial killer they've been tracking for months. Police say he was out hunting and on a mission to kill. They've tried -- or they tied him to a series of shooting deaths in Stockton, six people in all, all of them men and most of them Hispanic.

CNN's Camila Bernal is following the latest developments for us.

Camila, how positive are police that this man is their serial killer? This case has just been terrifying to people in that community.

CAMILA BERNAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Jim.

And look, police say they have their guy, but of course in this country, you're innocent until proven guilty. So, we'll have to see how this legal process plays out.

Look, they say they were able to make this arrest, thanks to two things. The first being the many, many tips from this community and all the help they received from just everyday citizens. And the second thing, old-fashioned police work.

They say once they got all of these tips, they were able to zero in on one possible suspect and they began to watch him, to monitor everything that he was doing: Where he lived, where he was going, trying to see if there were any patterns, and indeed they found those patterns.

They say he was out either early in the morning or late at night, going to dark places, to parks. He would drive around stop, look, and then continue driving. And so this is exactly what they say he was doing on Saturday at around two in the morning when police officers were following him.

The Chief of Police saying he was on a mission to kill. These are the words that were used by the Chief. He said, "He was out hunting." So instead of all of this, they decided to arrest him and now, they're of course thanking the community and the public for all of their help.

Here is how the San Joaquin District Attorney is describing it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TORI VERBER SALAZAR, SAN JOAQUIN DISTRICT ATTORNEY: This crime was

solved because we're Stocktonians, because you don't come to our house and bring this kind of reign of terror and not mobilize 350,000 people -- 780,000 in this whole entire county mobilize -- mobilize and capture this individual whose reign of terror is no longer.

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BERNAL: Now the Chief of Police also saying that when they arrested this man, he was wearing all black. He had a mask around his neck and he had a gun. They say, he has a criminal record and of course, they are looking into all of this. They will announce the charges on Tuesday when he is first scheduled to appear in Court.

But in terms of motive, police still saying they don't know why he allegedly did this, so of course still those questions that this community wants the answers to -- Jim.

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ACOSTA: All right, Camila Bernal. Thank you very much.

Mary Ellen O'Toole joins me now. She's a former FBI agent, senior FBI profiler. Mary Ellen, thanks so much for being with us.

MARY ELLEN O'TOOLE, FORMER SENIOR FBI PROFILER: You're welcome.

ACOSTA: A very disturbing case out there in Stockton, California. Police had been watching the suspect's movements. They say he was literally out on a mission to kill -- those are the words they used. How unusual is this to catch an alleged serial killer while he is potentially in the act of hunting for a victim, as investigators are saying?

O'TOOLE: Well, based on my experience with hundreds of serial murder cases, I would say that if you catch somebody that's actually in the act of possibly acting out again and is actually engaged in that hunting behavior, that's pretty unique.

ACOSTA: Yes. I mean, because these cases really can -- they can take years to solve, right?

O'TOOLE: They can take years to solve, especially if there are no strong forensic evidence to link them to the case.

But usually the linkage comes in between a homicide. So, it's not while they're actually preparing and engaged in that stalking behavior, that hunting behavior where they are intercepted. So, they did an amazing job on this investigation to actually catch him in the act of getting prepared to probably commit another murder.

ACOSTA: And let's talk about the motive. All the victims were alone during the evening or early morning hours when they were attacked. Four were Hispanic men, according to authorities ranging from ages 21 to 54 years old. One was a 35-year-old White man and a 46-year-old Black woman who was the lone survivor. She told police that her attacker fired multiple shots without ever

saying a word, which is obviously deeply disturbing. If you are profiling this case, what does all of that tell you?

O'TOOLE: So it would tell me a variety of things. It would tell me number one, that these were victims of opportunity. These were not people that were likely known to this offender. He chose pick people who were on their own, it was late at night, and these people were vulnerable. So those were the criteria that he was using.

And then secondly, what's really hard to understand is that the motivation for these crimes is simply not logical. It is -- the motivation can include such things as the thrill and excitement of hunting another human being. It can be the sense of being very omnipotent, because you're able to take somebody's life. So, those are the motivations that are tied to this case.

So, those two things together would tell me that we're looking for someone in their background, they have traits of psychopathy, which is a personality disorder, it's not a mental illness. Oftentimes, the public thinks when they see a crime that is this heinous, they default to this person has to be mentally ill and that's not the case at all. This is a very cold-blooded individual who looks at his victims as being just objects, not human.

ACOSTA: And the District Attorney's Office in that area is reviewing evidence to determine the charges that will be pursued. Police have said they have some ballistic evidence, but what else do they need in order to make a solid case here?

O'TOOLE: What they need is all the hard forensic science they can find. So, the firearm evidence is going to be very important, but they will be looking for things that, for example, in his phone, they'll be looking at any camera footage, they'll be looking for -- if he has a storage area where there may be some other evidence there. They'll be looking at his house and his computer.

So they'll be looking for any kind of evidence, whether it's strong forensic evidence or not, that would tie him to this case.

ACOSTA: All right, Mary Ellen O'Toole, thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it.

O'TOOLE: You're welcome.

ACOSTA: All right, and up next, "Star Wars" legend, Mark Hamill -- did you miss him yesterday? He is back today. We have excerpts from yesterday's interview, I should say. But anyway, we spoke to him about his meeting with President Zelenskyy in his new role as an ambassador to an army of drones. You're not going to want to miss what he had to say. It's very important stuff from "Star Wars" legend, Mark Hamill, coming up in a few moments.

Stay with us.

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ACOSTA: More attacks today by Russia against civilian buildings and civilian neighborhoods in Ukraine. Two schools were destroyed by Russian missiles earlier today and Ukrainian officials say homes nearby were also destroyed. This, as we are learning that at least 10 civilians have been killed by Russian attacks just this weekend and CNN's Fred Pleitgen is in Kyiv for us.

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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Once again, the southern region around Zaporizhzhia has been targeted by the Russian military according to local authorities there. Two schools were apparently hit by Russian missiles.

So far, the Ukrainians says there is no word on any sort of casualties, but they do say that the buildings there were absolutely annihilated by those very heavy weapons and it is really a pattern that we've been seeing over the past couple of days with the Russians targeting the town of Zaporizhzhia, but also generally the area around there in the south of the country. It's very close to the frontlines.

And just yesterday, the Ukrainian say that the town of Zaporizhzhia was targeted with ten S-300 missiles, those of course normally used to shoot down aircraft and when they're used against ground targets, they become very inaccurate and the chance of civilian casualties is quite high.

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PLEITGEN: One of the other things that the Russians have also been doing is using those kamikaze drones that the Ukrainians say were supplied by Iran to then hit targets as well. They did it down in Zaporizhzhia apparently yesterday, but they also did it here in the Kyiv region, hitting very hard some energy infrastructure here that of course, is so vital to the Ukrainians.

At the same time, we have a massive incident that took place on the Russian side of the border in the town of Belgorod, which is a major military hub for the Russians and also where a lot of the training is taking place for the people who have been mobilized by Vladimir Putin. Eleven people there killed by two gunmen and according to the authorities, 15 further people have been wounded.

Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Kyiv.

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ACOSTA: And our thanks to Fred Pleitgen.

In the meantime, Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has called on "Star Wars," legend, Mark Hamill to join the resistance against Russia's invasion. Hamill, who is known to millions worldwide as Luke Skywalker, of course, answered the call. He is now helping raise money for drones for Ukraine. He joined me yesterday for a one-on-one interview that was certainly

unforgettable. Take a look.

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ACOSTA: Take me back to that moment of speaking to Zelenskyy who has compared Russia to the evil empire. What was that conversation like?

MARK HAMILL, AMBASSADOR, UNITED24: Well, like everyone else that follows the news, I've watched since the end of February when a sovereign nation was invaded by hostile foreign power, something we haven't seen in my lifetime, I guess, it goes back to World War Two.

But when my business representative said that President Zelenskyy wanted to have a virtual meeting with me, and I was stunned, I thought, maybe somebody is pranking me. I mean, let's confirm that it is the truth. And once we realized it was, I was honored to be able to meet with him.

And as you said, he asked me to join his UNITED24 Project, which is the fundraising platform to help in the war effort for Ukraine, and specifically become -- go ahead.

ACOSTA: No, I was just to saying, let's talk about that. Ukraine is asking for more help as Russia steps up these kamikaze drone attacks across the country and that is where you come in. You've traded droids for drones, let's talk about that.

HAMILL: I know Army of Drones. It does sound like another episode of "Star Wars."

ACOSTA: It does.

HAMILL: But it is terrifyingly real. I mean, you see them bombing civilian targets, and even a children's playground. It's just awful. But Ukraine needs drones, it is as simple as that. Drones define war outcomes, and they need drones to monitor and protect their people, their land. Drones or their eyes in the sky.

So, we're asking people to go to the website and contribute whatever they can, and not just monetarily. If they have drones, they can donate drones. And I know a lot of drone enthusiasts have multiple drones. So, that's something they could do as well.

They could go to U24.gov. G-O-V dot UA, forward slash dronation, D-R- O-N-A-T-I-O-N. U24.gov.ua/dronation. And anything you can afford would be greatly appreciated by the Ukrainian people.

And you know, everyone expected the nation just to roll over and not put up a fight, so to see these people unite so heroically, it's been nothing short of inspirational. I mean, I'm a pretend hero in those movies. These are real life heroes, and I feel it's my obligation to help in any small way I can.

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ACOSTA: It was an extraordinary conversation, one I will never forget.

We should note, we will have more from our interview with Mark Hamill in the next hour, so our thanks to him, and we'll be right back.

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SETH MEYERS, TALK SHOW HOST: You did make history and I'm wondering, are there times when it sinks in for you maybe more than others that you are the first woman to hold this office?

This is a photo that I just think speaks to the fact that for these kids there, that must be a thing that's, I mean, hard to fathom.

KAMALA HARRIS, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I said to her, you know, "You can be anything you want to be." And this kid looked back at me in my eyes and she said, "Well, I intend to be everything."

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ACOSTA: That was Vice President Kamala Harris talking to "Late Night's" Seth Meyers about how she has inspired young girls of color. The Vice President is among the notable figures who feature prominently in a new book entitled "Black Women Who Will Save the World: An Anthem." It is written by my friend and colleague, April Ryan, who I miss dearly over at the White House these days, and she holds the distinction of being the longest serving Black female White House correspondent, so a trailblazer herself.

She is now using her unique perspective to highlight the many ways that Black women have shaped American history, as well as the profound price they often pay for being in the spotlight.

CNN political analyst and Washington bureau chief of TheGRIO, my friend, April Ryan joins me now, my sister from another mister as I often like to say.

APRIL RYAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: My brother from another mother.

ACOSTA: April, congratulations on the book. This is the book right here. Everybody go out and buy it. It is terrific.

Let's start with Kamala Harris because we were just playing this a few moments ago and you reflect on how her victory along with President Biden in 2020 changed everything, obviously, it did. We now have a woman in the executive branch as Vice President. It also hasn't been an easy road for her since, and you got to speak to Kamala Harris about this. How did that go?

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RYAN: Well, first of all, I wrote the book with her, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Karine Jean-Pierre, and so many other trailblazing Black women in mind. Keisha Lance bottoms, Stacey Abrams -- and when it comes to the Vice President of the United States, who is a woman of color, who considers herself a Black woman, she actually -- no matter what you think about her, she actually pushed this President even further when it comes to matters of race and rights -- rights issues, and I believe -- and in the book, we talk about it, I believe that that push that she had during that debate, where she talked about busing, President Biden was very hurt by that.

ACOSTA: I remember.

RYAN: But -- I remember well, and I detail that in the book about how, you know, when I did the Presidential forum for the NAACP, he was telling me and you could kind of hear it on the hot mic. "You know my heart. You know my heart." He was hurt even then. And I detail that in the book.

ACOSTA: It stayed with him.

RYAN: It stayed with him. But there was a reconciliation, some kind of way a marriage, because the two came together and she pushed him to do more on matters of race in this moment, when race is on the table.

ACOSTA: And I want to play something from Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. I mean, this is an amazing moment for her as well. She recently said that after she was formally sworn in as the first Black woman on the Supreme Court, that this happened. This is what she had to say.

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KETANJI BROWN JACKSON, US SUPREME COURT ASSOCIATE JUSTICE: And as I undertake the role of an Associate Justice, there is no doubt that I will have my share of pure bad luck.

I will have promoters and I will have detractors. But with your support, and God's grace, through it all, I will keep moving.

Thank you all. Thank you all so much. I am truly grateful. I have a seat at the table now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ACOSTA: How important is that?

RYAN: It's so important because I can't help throughout that whole conversation that she just -- well, her speech that she delivered, I kept hearing the late great Shirley Chisholm, who was the first Black woman to run for President in 1972. She said being Black and being a woman was a double whammy, and she was right. Ketanji Brown Jackson spoke to that.

And she also said, if you don't have a seat at the table, bring a folding chair. Not -- right. She is in her gown in the High Court with her seat. It's not a folding chair and she is giving opinion, something that the other Justice, Clarence Thomas, the other Black person on the Court hasn't been doing for years. We heard about Prince recently from him, but in the first day, we were

so mesmerized by her decision and her conversation on matters that impact all America and she has a seat at the table.

ACOSTA: And she has already made her presence known.

RYAN: Yes.

ACOSTA: But I want to talk about you a little bit, April, because you're being modest, and not talking about yourself and talking about Kamala Harris and Ketanji Brown Jackson, but you have been a trailblazer at the White House and I've seen this personally, the way Donald Trump went after you, went after other --

RYAN: He went after you as well.

ACOSTA: Well, went after other journalists of color in the White House Press Corps, and it was noticeable and it was obvious.

RYAN: It was painful.

ACOSTA: It was painful. I know it was painful for you. And in your book, you chronicle your own journey from working in Baltimore, you know, all the way up to the Washington Press Corps while raising your daughters. That's the thing that people don't understand, it is the journey that took you to where you are today.

RYAN: Yes. The journey -- the journey in an industry that's not necessarily built for me. Not necessarily built for me as a Black woman and it has been a struggle, but we are breaking barriers. We're getting more people coming in, and it has not been easy, but you know, I'm here.

I'm here and I'm going to be here. I'm going to write my own -- my own story. I'm not going to let anyone push me out.

But it's been a journey, and I say this -- and that's one of the reasons why I wrote this, because so many Black women were vilified when you talk about the last couple of years and this is my love letter to America about Black women, the strength of Black women. Changing the narrative, as we stand in these high places in this moment that we cannot gloss over.

We have moved up and if you do not mark it, if you do not put an exclamation point and a comma there, you lose it. I'm not putting a period there, an exclamation point and the comma so we can keep going.

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ACOSTA: Absolutely. Sometimes, I don't think you need the exclamation point, and that goes without saying, but April, the book is "Black Women Who Will Save the World." It is excellent, as is my friend, April Ryan.

RYAN: Thank you.

ACOSTA: We'll have you back many times after today to promote the book over and over again.

RYAN: Yes.

ACOSTA: But really want folks to go out and get it because it's such an important story about what you've been through, what you've overcome, and all of these amazing women who are changing the world right now.

RYAN: Changing the world.

ACOSTA: It's such an amazing moment. It's so great.

Thank you, April. Thank you very much.

RYAN: Yes. Thank you.

ACOSTA: All right, coming up. He is the viral sensation, this is quite the segue -- he is the viral sensation who loves to steal the spotlight. Now a feisty emu is fighting for his life after contracting avian flu. We'll bring you an update on this little emu, next.

You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Emmanuel, don't do it. Emmanuel Todd Lopez. Why must you be such a menace? You're in a bad mood today. You haven't been doing -- oh, my gosh, you're still doing it.

I've been using -- Emmanuel, where do you -- it is really literally like you rise from the pits of hell. I've never seen anything like it.

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ACOSTA: All right, you remember, Emmanuel, the feisty emu. He has captured the hearts of millions with his love of stealing the spotlight, as he just did just there.

But now the bird with an attitude is fighting for his life, we are sorry to say.

Farmer Taylor Blake posted a devastating update about an avian flu outbreak on Knuckle Bump Farms where Emmanuel lives. She writes this: "Our farm was heavily impacted by wild geese, bringing in avian flu and we lost 99 percent of the birds on our farm. We lost 50-plus birds in three days. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it." She goes on to say, "We thought we were out of the woods when Emmanuel unexpectedly went down this past Wednesday. He has a long road ahead, but I know in my heart that God is healing him. I know all of this won't be in vain. I know that Emanuel Todd Lopez will make a full recovery and will continue to spread love, light and joy," and we hope he makes it and we'll keep you posted on all of that. Across the UK, supporters of plant based foods poured milk on grocery

store floors. Take a look at this. These are members of the Animal Rebellion Group. They say they are protesting the government's lack of support for farmers who transitioned to a plant-based future.

In another environmental protest in London, protesters sprayed orange paint on the front of an Aston Martin showroom to demand the government halt new oil and gas licenses. The group Just Stop Oil said some members also glued themselves to the road or locked themselves together to disrupt traffic. That from the UK.

Tonight on a brand new episode of "Stanley Tucci: Searching for Italy," join Stanley as he explores the rugged terrain and unique delicacies of Sardinia, the wild west of Italy.

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STANLEY TUCCI, CNN HOST, "SEARCHING FOR ITALY" (voice over): Nowadays, pane carasau tends to be made using conventional oven, but Simonetta prefers the authentic flavor of the woodfired oven, even if it requires a production line.

(SIMONETTA speaking in foreign language.)

TUCCI (voice over): In the extreme heat, the dough inflates like a balloon.

(SIMONETTA speaking in foreign language.)

TUCCI (voice over): But this traditional method comes with its challenges.

(SIMONETTA speaking in foreign language.)

TRANSLATION: It's not a big deal. Give me another one. What a shame.

(UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE speaking if foreign language.)

TRANSLATION: Shall we throw this away?

(SIMONETTA speaking in foreign language.)

TRANSLATION: No. Put it there, we don't throw anything away..

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ACOSTA: Looks delicious.

Don't miss an all new episode of "Stanley Tucci: Searching for Italy" tonight at nine right here on CNN.

A Maine company is on a mission to send rockets to space using fuel that's all natural, non-toxic and also technically edible, if you believe that. CNN's Rachel Crane got an exclusive look at one of their test

launches.

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SASCHA DERI, FOUNDER, BLUSHIFT AEROSPACE: This is just one of dozens of tests we will have.

RACHEL CRANE, CNN INNOVATION AND SPACE CORRESPONDENT (voice over): That's Sascha Deri, the founder of a company called, bluShift. Sascha and his team are getting ready to test fire an engine that they hope will one day launch rockets into space.

We are in Maine, far from NASA's more commonly used launch pads in Cape Canaveral. The company's rocket fuel isn't typical either.

CRANE (on camera): Can you walk us through how you make your biofuel and what this process is like?

DERI: To produce the fuel, we have to liquefy it and it is basically poured into a mold essentially put into sort of a centrifuge.

CRANE: But it's edible. So, is it made of food?

DERI: It is not something that you wouldn't normally have in food, you know, I can say, it is the most delicious thing in the world to eat.

CRANE: bluShift wouldn't say exactly what's in the fuel, but told us that the core of the fuel is derived from common agricultural processes on farms around the world.

Historically, the environmental impact the space industry makes is small compared to other industries, but rockets can be particularly harmful to the environment. They can emit large amounts of CO2 and black carbon or soot among other pollutants.

If bluShift can get carbon neutral, bio-derived non-toxic fuel to work, it could be a far more Earth-friendly way of getting to space.

DERI: Yes, here comes the sun.

All right, so some something clearly happened. I don't know if --

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CRANE: The old third time is a charm didn't hold up this time, but two months after CNN's visit to the company's test facility, bluShift's team figured it out and had their third successful engine test. There will be plenty more to come if they are to get to space.

DERI: There's a lot of talk about getting off this planet and changing other ones. If anything, let's work on fixing this planet, treat it right before we can worry about dressing up other planets.

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