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Large Amounts of Lake-Effect Snow Hit Parts of Western New York; Police Still have No Suspects in Stabbing Murders of Four University of Idaho Students; U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland Appoints Special Prosecutor to Oversee Federal Investigations into Former President Trump's Roles in January 6th Insurrection and Classified Documents Found at Mar-a-Lago. Aired 10-11a ET

Aired November 19, 2022 - 10:00   ET



MICHAEL SMERCONISH, CNN ANCHOR: This was in conversation with Jed Rubenfeld that I had about whether the Civil Rights Act gets expanded. That would have made a good survey question. What he was saying is you've got to be even. You've got to apply it evenly. There needs to be parity, otherwise, there's disparity, and that needs to be eradicated. I agree with you. What about hate?

I'll see you next week. Enjoy Thanksgiving.

AMARA WALKER, CNN ANCHOR: Happy morning to you all. It is Saturday, November 19th. I'm Amara Walker.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Martin Savidge in for Boris Sanchez. And you are in the CNN Newsroom. Good to be with you.

We begin in western New York this morning where there are hundreds of thousands of people facing a historic storm, as much as six feet of lake-effect snow, lake-effect snow, we should stress. The winter storm has been blamed for at least two deaths.

WALKER: Yes, and officials say two people tied after suffering cardiac arrest while shoveling or blowing snow. In an area familiar with heavy snowfall, officials are taking no chances. A state of emergency is in place for 11 counties. And Erie County issued a combination of travel bans and travel advisories to keep people off the roads. Now, despite the ban, authorities have taken calls from drivers in need of rescue. One official says more than 300 citations were issued yesterday for drivers violating that ban.


MAYOR BYRON BROWN, BUFFALO, NEW YORK: The snow has come down very fast, very wet, very heavy. Last night the snow was falling at a rate of two to three inches per hour, and as your reporter said, that could make driving very treacherous. Visibility very, very low. Fortunately, we have a break right now where it's not snowing, giving our plowing crews the opportunity to get in, plow snow in other areas, the ability to take snow out with high lifts and dumptrucks so that we can open up our residential streets.


WALKER: So CNN's Gloria Pazmino is live in Buffalo, and CNN meteorologist Allison Chinchar is standing by in the Weather Center.

SAVIDGE: And we're going to begin with Gloria. And people there are used to heavy snow, but even this by Buffalo standards -- I'm sorry, we'll go to Allison Chinchar first to look forward as to how much more they may get.

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes. And again, when you think about how much has already fallen, it doesn't, at this point, it's just on top of it. You're talking about five, six feet of snow in some of these places. But it's still snowing. And we're not just talking New York. It's also Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, areas of Wisconsin and Minnesota have already picked up over a foot of snow. And you've got all of those lakes. So not just Erie and Ontario, but also Superior and Michigan where you're seeing that lake-effect snow.

Buffalo specifically, same thing with water tower. We have seen some of those extremely high amounts are both getting a little bit of a break right now. But the thing is once that wind shifts back later today, you're going to start to see that snow ramp right back up again for both of those communities there.

And here's the thing, you're already talking incredibly high amounts. Orchard Park just outside of Buffalo, 77 inches. You are talking over six feet of snow. Same thing for Natural Bridge, 72.3. Blasdell and Hamburg, over 60 inches of snow. So you are talking, again, now you are at the point where you're above the height of most human beings that you are having to now shovel or work around, which is why they want the roads to clear so that they can get those emergency vehicles out when they need to.

Here's a look at the forecast, again, not just an issue for Erie and Ontario, but also the other lakes as well where you're seeing that wind push all of that snow along those communities right there along the lake. Most of these areas, another six to 12 inches of snow. But it's not out of the question, guys, for some areas to pick up another 20 to 24 inches just in the next 24 hours.

WALKER: Yes, we are not used to seeing, like, such high numbers when it comes to inches. It's like 77 divided by 12, and we're like, OK, I think it's six feet. That's a lot of snow.

SAVIDGE: Over my head, that'd be like wow.

WALKER: It sure is. Allison Chinchar, thank you so much.

New details this morning in the investigation into the brutal stabbing of four University of Idaho students. Authorities say they were likely asleep before being attacked, but that some of the victims had defensive wounds indicated a possible struggle.

SAVIDGE: The family member of one of the students told "Inside Edition" that sister Kaylee Goncalves was a fighter.


ALIVEA GONCALVES, SISTER OF KAYLEE GONCALVES: All of this is so confusing because Kaylee is not stupid.


She's a smart girl. She's a strong girl. She's a mean girl. She's a fighter.


SAVIDGE: Police also say that two of the victims used a private party, and it's their description, to get a ride home the night of the stabbing. It's different because previously, investigators had believed that they had gotten into an Uber. CNN's Veronica Miracle has the very latest now for us on where the investigation stands.


KAYLEE GONCALVES: Did anybody do their chores today? F-- it. I'm just going to do it.

VERONICA MIRACLE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Video of three of the University of Idaho stabbing victims posted on Kaylee Goncalves TikTok account shows the roommates all pretending to be each other, giving a glimpse of their friendship and their lives together in the three-story house just weeks before they were brutally murdered.

On the night of the murders, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were at the Sigma Kai Fraternity at of the University of Idaho between 8:00 and 9:00 p.m. Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves visited a local sports bar from 10:00 p.m. to 1:30 a.m., then a food truck around 1:40 a.m. Police releasing a map showing those exact locations for the first time, hoping new leads will break the case.

AARON SNELL, IDAHO STATE POLICE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: We believe that releasing information about the location of the victims throughout the night might generate some information that we can follow up on.

MIRACLE: Police say all of the victims were home by 1:45 a.m., their bodies found on the second and third floors of the home.

Is the first floor where the roommates were sleeping?

SNELL: We have not identified where the roommates were.

MIRACLE: But the biggest question is who killed them and why. There are still no suspects.

SNELL: We still contend that this was targeted. We cannot divulge the information of why we believe that or how. That is integral to this investigation. MIRACLE: Police are clarifying why they are not releasing more

information about the victims' roommates who were at home during the attacks.

SNELL: In a case someone may potentially be a victim, they may be a witness, or they may be a suspect. In this case we don't know what the roommates are exactly at this time.

MIRACLE: Xana Kernodle's father saying he talked to his daughter the night she died.

JEFFREY KERNODLE: I heard from her just before we went out, I think midnight is the last time I heard from here, and she was fine. They were just hanging out at home.

MIRACLE: Her father, too distraught to be interviewed on camera, saying he has learned his daughter had defensive wounds, showing she fought her attacker.

KERNODLE: Bruises, you know, maybe occurred by the knife, or whatever. She is a tough kid. Whatever she wanted to do, she could do it.

MIRACLE: The county coroner confirmed to CNN that some of the students likely had defensive stab wounds to the hands and there were no signs of sexual assault or issue of drugs or alcohol.

But each student had multiple stab wounds?

CATHY MABBUTT, LATAH COUNTY CORONOR: That's correct. That's really the main thing that I saw was a lot of blood.

MIRACLE: The victims' friends and co-workers say they just want to honor their memories.

IRELAND DUNNING, CO-WORKER OF VICTIMS: They just brought light to the room that they were in. They were always positive.

MIRACLE: Police say there were no signs of forced entry into the home, and now Xana Kernodle's father telling our affiliate that in order to get inside the house, you either have to know the door code to get in through the front or go through the sliding glass door in the back. So he presumes that whoever did this knew how to get inside the home.

Veronica Miracle, CNN, Moscow, Idaho.


SAVIDGE: All right, now here with me to discuss further is FBI -- former FBI profiler, I should say, and CNN contributor Candice Delong. She is also the host of "Killer Psyche," a podcast. And thank you, Candice, for joining us on what is really a disturbing story. And I have to ask you, I've watched a lot of the coverage of this coming out of Idaho. Something just doesn't seem right, and, of course, beyond the horrific murders of four young people. Is that just me, or what's your professional perception here? CANDICE DELONG, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: No, it's not just you. I think for

me, but for my background, I would be looking at this and saying, well, the police have to know more than they are saying. And they do. There's reason police don't tell the public everything, and a lot of it has to do with down the road when they do develop a suspect, only the killer will know certain things. So that's part of the reason.

SAVIDGE: Yes, I get that. I think what I'm struck by is I see an official who will say something like, the two surviving roommates, we don't know what floor they were sleeping at the time. And it's like days later, surely you have spoken to them, and that wasn't an obvious conversation? So I put that down to that is something they know and they wish not to reveal at this time.

The defensive wounds --

DELONG: I agree.

SAVIDGE: That would suggest, of course, that they awakened to or were aware of what was happening to them, right?


DELONG: Sure. But just because someone has defensive wounds, which would be on the hands, on this aspect of the arm, that can be a reflexive response when somebody is stabbing you. It doesn't necessarily mean that you fought back. It means you were defending yourself.

But it certainly does mean -- I mean, I can't even imagine how gruesome this crime scene would be. And of course, one of the things that I have wondered is, why kill all four people? Usually in cases where a college girl is murdered in her home or where she is living, she is the very specific target. So the fact that four people -- I could understand the male, the young man being killed because he would be someone that the killer or killers would be concerned would fight them and prevent them from doing what they wanted.

The police do certainly know how this whole thing went down and the FBI is involved, so probably they are getting behavioral can behavioral science analysis from Quantico.

SAVIDGE: I don't want to speculate, but you are a professional at this. And is this a friend? Is this a student? Is this a homicidal stranger? I mean, what does your expertise tell you about who the suspect would be?

DELONG: I've thought a lot about that. It is, the most common thing would be that the individual, the killer, knew, and knew one of those people, might have only known them for a couple of hours, maybe knew of them. Most times in America, 70 percent of the time a woman is murdered, she is murdered by someone that she knows and that she was involved with in some way, and 35 percent of women are killed by someone that they do know.

What's strange about this is why all three women? Is it possible that a stranger driving by saw these young -- they're very blonde girls walking, laughing, going into that particular house, and he was in murder mode, and decided, I'm -- there is my victim? But that's possible, but it's improbable. It happens, but it's rare. It is far more likely whoever did this had some knowledge of the victims. And, for example, it could be somebody that just ran into them. I heard you mention in the commentary earlier about possibly an Uber driver. Well, it's possible, yes. I would be looking at anybody.

And by the way, I don't think this is going to become a cold case. I don't think so at all.

SAVIDGE: I hope not, because for the sake of their families, for the sake of the community, I hope that we find out soon. Of course, we want it to be the right person and not just a person. So Candice Delong, thank you for your insights and your professionalism, greatly appreciated, on such a terrible story. Thank you.

DELONG: You're welcome.

WALKER: Former President Trump hits back after the Department of Justice appoints a special counsel to two federal investigations. We'll talk about what it means for his potential legal troubles.

Plus, Twitter in turmoil from a staff exodus to an emergency meeting. The social media platform now facing an uncertain future. We'll discuss when we come back.



SAVIDGE: U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland was, or has appointed veteran attorney Jack Smith as special prosecutor to oversee the federal investigations into Trump's roles leading up to the January 6th insurrection and into those classified documents found at Mar-a- Lago.

WALKER: Sources also telling CNN that federal prosecutors have sent out several new subpoenas related to both investigations in recent days. CNN's Evan Perez joining us now with more on this. And Evan, the attorney general was quite clear as to why he decided to appoint a special counsel at this time.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: He really was. And look, the issue for the Justice Department is, obviously, these are two investigations that have been well underway. They are intensifying, as you just mentioned, subpoenas going out to people in the Trump circles just in the last few days.

But you have now a stated, well, a declared candidate in Donald Trump just a few days ago saying that he is running a third time for president, and the sitting president, Joe Biden, whose political appointees are running these investigations, these twin investigations, one of them into these classified documents retrieved by the FBI in the search at Mar-a-Lago, and then the second one, the one that looks into -- that is looking into Trump and allies' efforts to prevent the transfer of power after the 2020 election.

So the attorney general stating that for the Justice Department, they need to have a little bit of distance. Bringing in Jack Smith, who is a seasoned lawyer, is going to give at least an appearance for the purposes of this investigation that there is no politics involved. And that's what the goal of this appointment is.

SAVIDGE: So let me ask you this, evan. The reaction -- I think I know this, but the reaction from former President Trump and his legal team, what's it been?

PEREZ: He says he is not going to partake. He and his team are calling it a political stunt. He says that he is not going to participate in it.


Of course, Martin and Amara, you know that he doesn't really have a choice, right? He is under a criminal investigation in these two investigations, and people don't get a choice as to whether they participate or not. And these are very serious investigations. And Smith is saying that he is going to hit the ground running, these investigations are not going to be delayed because of this appointment. And so this is now a serious investigation that is hanging over the candidate for president.

WALKER: Evan Perez, interesting development. Thank you so much for breaking it down for us. Appreciate it.

So a passing of the torch. Speaker Nancy Pelosi's announcement that she will step down from leadership ushers in a new generational change for Democrats.


NANCY PELOSI, (D-CA) HOUSE SPEAKER: For me the hour has come for a new generation to lead the Democratic Caucus that I so deeply respect. And I'm grateful that so many are ready and willing to shoulder this awesome responsibility.


WALKER: Congressman Hakeem Jefferies launches a historic bid to succeed Pelosi in what could make him the first black person to lead a party in Congress.

Joining us to share his insights is "New York Times" congressional correspondent Luke Broadwater. Luke, good morning to you. Thank you so much for being with us this morning.

We can't understate, right, Nancy Pelosi's influence in America. She is the most influential lawmaker in American politics, or at least among them. We know she is tough as nails. She did quite an effective job at least keeping her party together, including all the different factions. Talk to me about just what kind of mark she is going to leave on America and American democracy. LUKE BROADWATER, CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT, "THE NEW YORK TIMES":

Yes, Nancy Pelosi is a historic figure in American politics. There has never been a woman to lead a chamber of Congress before she did it, and she did it twice. Never been someone to do it in the Senate.

And I think she will still continue to be an influential figure on Capitol Hill. There's talk of her being sort of a congressperson emeritus where she would have a nice big office on Capitol Hill. She's still represent California, but she just won't have the status of just another congressperson. She will be mentoring younger lawmakers, including the new leadership team that's up for a vote at the end of this month, and really play a large role in guiding the Democrats' agenda on Capitol Hill still, and opposing whatever things Kevin McCarthy and the Republicans are trying to accomplish in the next Congress.

So, yes, she has quite a lengthy list of historic accomplishments, but she is not done yet, and I do expect her to play a significant role in the next Congress even if she is out of leadership.

WALKER: Right, she'll for sure apparently have a lot of influence even if it's behind the scenes. We were mentioning Congressman Hakeem Jefferies, he announcing his run to replace Pelosi. What changes could we expect under his leadership?

BROADWATER: First, it's a big generational change. The first -- the last leadership team was all -- they were all in air 80s, Miss Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, and Jim Clyburn. This new team, if they are elected at the end of the month, and it does seems like they are garnering all the votes that they need to do that, would be in their 40s and 50s. They are a more diverse team. It's the Pete Gguilar will be the highest ranking Latino ever in Congress, Hakeem Jefferies will be the first black person ever to lead one the parties in Congress.

And in some ways I think Hakeem Jeffries will represent a similar model to Nancy Pelosi, but potential with a new younger flavor and maybe even at times a bit more aggressive. Famously during impeachment, he quoted Biggie Smalls from his district in Brooklyn on the House floor. So we could see some new generational moments as we see this new leadership team come in for the Democrats.

WALKER: And speaking of that, I just want to put up a full screen to show our viewers what we're talking about. There are a lot 70 and 80- year-olds in Congress, not to mention many of the leaders. Pelosi is 82. President Biden actually turns 80 tomorrow. Mitch McConnell also the same age. Donald Trump, who just re-announced, or announced his re-election -- not re-election, but that he will be running again in 2024, 76, Chuck Schumer, 71. So a lot of elderly lawmakers. I mean, this generational shift was needed yesterday, wouldn't you say?

BROADWATER: Well, that is definitely the feeling of the younger members of Congress. You have seen a lot of people leave over the years because they get elected at a younger age, perhaps in their 20s, 30s, or 40s, and they serve for a few terms, but it doesn't really seem to be a chance for advancement because of the way Congress is set up. [10:25:10]

And it really is run by octogenarians. That's the way the chambers operate. And so we've seen people who felt that they could have been in line for speaker leave Congress previously, or even run for the Senate, or do different things because they felt like there was no chance for advancement.

This is the chance now. Speaker Pelosi has decided to do this, and, frankly, the Democrats are doing it pretty seamlessly. This could have been a very bloody fight for leadership where a new generation tries to take out the old generation and force some very uncomfortable votes, and there is a lot of hard feelings. Instead, it looks like they are running this pretty smoothly. We haven't seen a lot of public fighting among the Democrats. And that's also part of Nancy Pelosi's legacy where she keeps people together and run things like a tight ship.

WALKER: Absolutely. Luke Broadwater, appreciate your time and the conversation. Thanks.

BROADWATER: Thank you.

SAVIDGE: A mass exodus at Twitter has many concerned that the social media giant is teetering on the edge of collapse. The emergency action Elon Musk just took, next.



SAVIDGE: We are, of course, continuing to monitor the severe weather that is slamming into western New York. As much as six feet of snow has fallen in areas around Buffalo, New York, the result of lake- effect snow. Let's go right now to CNN's Gloria Pazmino. And Gloria, people up there are used to heavy snowfalls without a doubt, but this one is for the history books.

GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Martin, record- breaking snow, record-breaking numbers here. Look at just -- I want to show you the amount of accumulation that we are seeing here downtown Buffalo. You can see these park benches here are completely covered. You can barely see them. I'm just going to walk along the road here as photographer Jeff, who has been keeping me company this whole time, it is cold, it is windy, and that powdery snow is beginning to whip around here in the downtown area, really desolate. If you look down the street here, except for that one emergency vehicle, not a soul, a person in sight, with the exception of a couple of snowplows that have been making their way around.

Officials here asking residents to keep off the roads. Several people had to be rescued overnight. Not only they had to be rescued, but some people got tickets for not obeying the ban that is in effect. Mayor Byron Brown speaking with CNN earlier today said he believes it's going to be at least until early next week until the city begins to feel a little bit back to normal. So, Martin, like you said, this area of New York is used to seeing this kind of weather, but it has certainly paralyzed the area. Not much going on here, and conditions continuing to shift really rapidly here in Buffalo.

SAVIDGE: I was just looking at her shot there. One of the things that I was thinking of, fire hydrants. You can't see them.


SAVIDGE: And God forbid there a fire, the fire department has got to come out and local, where are they?

WALKER: And Gloria, can I ask you just quickly, how are you guys just behind the scenes navigating through Buffalo? I can see that that roadway is passable, but I can only imagine how difficult it has been.

PAZMINO: That's right. Safety first. We have been avoiding the roadways. We were able to walk over here from where we are, which is not far from where I'm standing right now. But you don't want to be a part of the problem. And that's precisely what officials are asking people here in Buffalo. If you go out there, you are only getting in the way of those emergency workers. So like I said, safety first, trying to stay out of the way and just showing you these incredible images. Look at all those piles of snow. They are going to have so much cleanup to do over the next couple of days. And, guys, let me tell you, it is getting cold, very cold.

WALKER: I'm so sorry. Stay strong. Try to stay warm, get inside somewhere. Gloria, Gloria Pazmino, thank you.

Go hardcore or quit -- Elon Musk's blunt ultimatum apparently backfiring, causing a mass exodus of staff at Twitter.

SAVIDGE: I don't know why people would find that problem.


SAVIDGE: Now the controversial billionaire has been calling in engineers for an emergency meeting as the social media site faces a very uncertain future. And of course, adding to the controversy, Musk's Friday evening poll asking Twitter users to vote on whether former President Trump should be allowed back on the platform. Before he bought Twitter, Musk said that he had planned to reverse Trump's ban.

WALKER: CNN Business writer Clare Duffy joining us now live with more. Clare, the hashtag "RIP" "Rest In Peace Twitter" is trending. And look, I am surprised to see a lot of the conversations from people that I follow on Twitter who are saying, look, if Twitter dies, it's been great knowing you. So is that really a risk?

CLARE DUFFY, CNN BUSINESS WRITER: It does feel like sort of last day of school vibes on Twitter right now. People are preparing for the worst. And I don't think we're going to see a full collapse of the platform, but you are already starting to see sort of glitches popping up. We saw a test page go live in the trending section the other day.


Yesterday, I tried to download all of my data from Twitter, and I wasn't able to because the two-factor authentication feature that lets you do that was broken. And so I think that there is a risk that we're going to continue seeing sort of outages and failures on the platform, especially starting tomorrow with the kickoff the World Cup, which is often one the biggest events on the platform.

This is due to the fact that a lot of the really crucial employees that were responsible for keeping the platform online and functioning have left the company. Earlier this month Musk laid off half of the staff, and then as you say this week, many employees decide the not to accept this invitation to work extremely hardcore. And so Musk is left with a skeleton staff here. You can see in that photo he posted at almost 2:00 a.m. in the middle of the night last night, having called the remaining software engineers and that the staff is really small. And a lot of Twitter's workforce is remote, and so that may not be the full group. But he is going to face some challenges in the coming days here.

SAVIDGE: Yes, it's interesting that the engineers seem to be the focus here, not so much those who are in charge of, say, the guardrails editorially and security in that regard.

WALKER: It's a hot mess, as they say, right?

SAVIDGE: Clare Duffy, thanks very much. Appreciate your insight.

We'll be right back.



SAVIDGE: You know we have Thanksgiving, of course, just days away, and metro Atlanta officials have partnered now with local church leaders to give away free meals today to families who are in need.

WALKER: And you know those meals are absolutely needed. DeKalb County, Georgia, is provided 5,000 food boxes to families struggling to make ends meet this holiday season. CNN's Nadia Romero is there for us at these drive-through giveaways. Nadia, I mean, what are you hearing from the people? They must be so grateful, especially when you go to the grocery store and everything is so expensive.

NADIA ROMERO, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Everything is so expensive. Our staples have all gone up. And now we are getting ready for this Thanksgiving holiday, and you want to prepare a nice meal. And for a lot of cultures, food equals love. And so you want to have that Thanksgiving dinner be something that people will remember.

This is where the food drive was happening. You can see it is all cleared out right now because people lined up about two-and-a-half hours before the drive was supposed to start. They had two rows of cars. You take a look at video, you can see that the line backed up for about a mile-and-a-half, as soon as you got off the highway, made your way to this church, you just saw hundreds of cars that were lined up.

And I want you to hear from one of the county organizers, one the county elected officials who helps put on this event, and two women who were in line who are so grateful. Take a listen.


MICHAEL THURMOND, CEO, DEKALB COUNTY: Your salary is purchasing less. Inflation has taken about -- an unwelcome guest at the Thanksgiving table this year will be high food prices.

VERY CARSWELL, GEORGIA RESIDENT: I'm only, I'm a single lady and everything, and when I just go to the store for a few things it's almost $100. Prices have gone up tremendously.

SAUNDRA JACKSON, GEORGIA RESIDENT: I mean, Inflation, everything is so expensive, and this just feels good that the community come out and fill that void to make Thanksgiving special for your family and friends.


ROMERO: And we saw all walks of life. We saw families with two working parents who are just underemployed right now, can't keep one the costs. The very first woman in line, she was living in her car, and this was the food that she needed just to get by. Amara and Martin, it is such a blessing for so many people right before the holiday. But within about 45 minutes to an hour at all the locations they ran out of food. This location had some 400 boxes. They ran out very quickly.

WALKER: It just shows you the need is great. Right?

SAVIDGE: I love to see it, and Nadia, you bring this out, the humanity in people.

WALKER: Yes, for sure, for sure. Nadia, thank you.

You are so right. For a lot of cultures, including mine, and I'm sure yours, food is about love. That's how you love your family.

It is costing Americans more to put turkey on the table this Thanksgiving as we've been talking about. Like the price of gas and most everyday items, the cost of some turkey day staples are up this year. Frozen turkey, 21 percent, stuffing 69 percent -- wow -- and pie crusts and whipped cream 26 percent.

SAVIDGE: But feeding family and friends doesn't have to take a bite out of your budget, so the experts tell us. And there are ways that you can save on these must-have items. Joining me now is Jean Chatzky, CEO of, and host of "Her Money" podcast. Thank you for joining us this morning, Jean. And of course, there is a lot of leeway, and people can substitute some things when it comes to different foods to try to adjust the cost. But turkey is one of those things that you just associate with Thanksgiving. So is there a way that you can still save if you haven't gotten your turkey yet? JEAN CHATZKY, CEO, HERMONEY.COM: Yes, absolutely. And you want to get

strategic about your shopping this holiday season. First, when it comes to those frozen turkeys, many national supermarkets offer a free frozen turkey if you have been shopping at their store using their app and have accumulated a certain number of dollars of expenditures over the last couple of months. So take a look at that, see if you qualify. That's a great way to wipe that big ticket item off the list.

Another thing that I would suggest is not doing it all yourself. When we invite people for Thanksgiving, and I do Thanksgiving many years for my family, everybody always says, what do I bring? What can I bring?


Think about that and really us that offer to fill another need at the table. Ask somebody to bring mashed potatoes. Ask somebody to bring cranberries. Ask somebody to bring the green bean casserole or whatever is traditional in your family because if you can spread out the costs among all of the guests, everybody gets to enjoy and it doesn't cost anybody as much.

WALKER: If you are calling me and asking what can you bring, I'll ask you to the bring the turkey. So, you know.


CHATZKY: There you go.

WALKER: But in terms of shopping, how can we save money? Because, of course, there is a bunch of sides that you have to deal with, right?

CHATZKY: There are. And I would get pretty careful about frozen versus fresh. There's some things where buying frozen actually will shave about 50 percent off the price. A lot of vegetables fall into that category, green beans, for example. With potatoes, it's the opposite. If you are buying frozen, you are buying processed, you are paying for more. Buying just the plain potatoes and cooking them yourself is going to save you about 50 percent.

And just make sure that when you are looking at all of those different side dishes, you shop your pantry first. We often go into the supermarket thinking that we need ingredients that we already have either in our freezer or in our pantry. Make sure that you are not double buying them.

SAVIDGE: Jean Chatzky, that's great advice. It's so true. We tend to make up the list and forget to look at what we've got. So thank you so much for that.

WALKER: Thank you.

SAVIDGE: And friends, start bringing the meals when you come visit.

WALKER: I'm all about the potluck.

SAVIDGE: Thanks, Jean.

As controversy continues to surround this year's World Cup in Qatar, the head of FIFA is lashing out ahead of tomorrow's kickoff. You won't believe what he had to say.



WALKER: So we are just one day before the kickoff the World Cup, and this year's World Cup in Qatar has drawn a lot of criticism from LGBTQ advocates, concern about the country's treatment of gay people, to outrage over the last-minute decision to ban beer sales at the event. But's FIFA president isn't backing down.


GIANNI INFANTINO, FIFA PRESIDENT: I think personally if for three hours a day you cannot drink a beer, you will survive.


WALKER: Will you survive? Do you think you could?

SAVIDGE: I suppose you will survive. I wondered if they had non- alcoholic beer. But CNN Sports anchor Amanda Davies might know the answer to that. She is live in Qatar for us. And Amanda, I've got to say that press conference, it was bizarre. Just really was.

AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Bizarre, explosive. I think it's fair to say a good five hours on people are still trying to digest one of the most controversial FIFA press conferences ever ahead of this, the most controversial World Cup ever. It was really jaw-dropping at times with President Infantino really hitting back at the criticism in the build-up to this tournament, what he's called the double standards of the west, the profoundly unjust criticism against the treatment of migrant workers here in Qatar, so widely documented by human rights groups, the treatment of members of the LGBTQ+ community, and many Qataris themselves. Have a listen to just another part of what he had to say.


GIANNI INFANTINO, FIFA PRESIDENT: I think for what we Europeans have been to go in the last 3,000 years around the world, we should be apologizing for the next 3,000 years before starting to give moral lessons.

This moral lesson giving is one-sided. It's just hypocrisy.


DAVIES: Remember, this is the man who just a couple of weeks ago sent a letter to the national associations of every team playing at this World Cup, essentially saying stick to politics -- stick to football, I should say, let's not get involved in the politics and the morality. And today his speech that went on for nearly an hour, a real monologue, has been criticized by human rights groups who have called it crass. And the president of the Norwegian F.A., Lise Klaveness, who I spoke to earlier, she described it as dangerous. Remember this, the man, who it was announced yesterday, is standing unopposed for another term as president.

SAVIDGE: Wow. Amanda Davies, thank you very much.

WALKER: Thank goodness we don't have time to give commentary. I'll just shake my head.

Thank you so much everyone for watching and for being with us, and thank you so much for joining us, Martin. There's much more ahead in the next hour of CNN Newsroom. Fredricka Whitfield is up next.

SAVIDGE: But first, we've got a preview of the CNN original film "Gabby Giffords, Won't Back Down."



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