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Memphis Releases Video Of Deadly Police Beating; Five Former Memphis Police Officers Involved In Arrest Charged With Second-Degree Murder And Kidnapping; Court Release Audio, Video, Bodycam Of Assault On Paul Pelosi; Protesters Block Bridge Traffic Near Downtown Memphis; Day Three Wraps In Trial Of Ex-Lawyer Accused Of Killing Wife & Son; U.S., Germany And Allies Pledge Dozens Of Tanks To Ukraine. Aired 1-2p ET

Aired January 28, 2023 - 13:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, everyone, and thanks so much for joining me. I'm Jessica Dean in Washington, D.C. in Fredricka Whitfield today.

Horrifying, incomprehensible, inhumane. Just some of the words used to describe videos of the brutal beating of Tyre Nichols at the hands of Memphis police. The shocking images were released last night and we want to warn you some of what we're about to show you is extremely graphic.

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TYRE NICHOLS, MEMPHIS RESIDENT: I didn't do anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pull over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turn your ass around.

NICHOLS: All right. All right. All right. All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the ground, on the ground.

DEAN (voice over): Body camera footage of the January 7th traffic stop showing officers approaching with their firearms, yanking Nichols nickels out of his car. He then breaks free from the officers and run towards his parents' home. A struggle ensues after a chase. Police then using pepper spray, batons, their fists, their feet to beat Nichols. At one point he cries out for his mother.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Mike

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watch out. Watch out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watch out.

NICHOLS: Mom. Mom. Mom. DEAN (voice over): Video from a pole camera showing the full extent you see Nichols there unarmed. He's kicked in the face. He's hit at least nine times over just a few minutes. At that point bloodied and propped up onto a squad car and then the officers are seeing just standing around, not providing Nichols with any potentially lifesaving aid. Five former Memphis officers now facing several charges including second degree murder and kidnapping.

And after the video released, two Shelby County deputies who were also there on the scene had been put on leave pending an investigation into their conduct.

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CNN's Sara Sidner and Shimon Prokupecz are both in Memphis at this hour. They both had been there for several days now. Sara, let's start with you. Walk us through how people there have responded to seeing all of this and also how Nichols is being remembered today.

SARA SIDNER, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Let's start with his mother, RowVaughn Wells and how she responded to the words he used at the very end. He kept screaming for her saying mom, mom, mom, as you heard there on the tape. She has responded to that by telling us that she truly believes that he was actually hoping that she could hear him because he was some 80 yards away from his parents' home.

And she responded by saying she's never going to be able to get over the fact that she believes he was calling out for her and she wasn't able to help him in his greatest time of need. That is going to stick with her for a lifetime. Now, when it comes to the community, they have been peaceful. There have been -- there's been one major protest, they were able to basically stop all traffic on the I-55 bridge here that goes north and south through Memphis.

They stopped traffic for some about an hour or so. And what they say, though the family has accepted what the police chief did, which is firing these officers immediately, firing some of them immediately and the D.A. making sure that they are charged, you know, very, very quickly. The family has said they're satisfied with this. The protesters have said they're not satisfied.

And the reason why they are not satisfied is because they say there have been so many incidents in the past that could have prevented this if police hadn't been reformed before. If they had have listened to the people who have come forward to internal investigations and taken some of those cases seriously. I'm going to let you hear from one of the people. She's a Memphian, born and raised, who is very upset and wants to see reform right away.

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SIDNER: Are you satisfied with what has happened so far?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely not. How many more families have to hurt before something legitimate is done? Heads need to roll about this? And that starts with the top, that's our city mayor, that Chief Davis who was hired by the city mayor.

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SIDNER: So, you hear that from her and that's what some of the protesters were saying out there. I do want to mention something because I think we're all seeing Tyre Nichols in his worst moments of life. And I'd like people to see some of who he was. And something that he loved to do. Something that made him feel free, his friend said was skateboarding. He did a lot of it. There's some video that we have from about 12 years ago, his friend took some video of him just enjoying himself, the sun was setting.

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He also loved photography and on a nightly basis would go out and take pictures of the sunset. And by the way, his mother and father say that he used to come home every night to get a meal with them as part of his break from FedEx. Jessica?

DEAN: I know. They are just in so much pain right now. Sarah, thank you for painting that picture, though of who he was, as a person. Shimon, let's turn to you now, in terms of this investigation, and how it proceeds forward. There's still a lot of unanswered questions about all of this. Why was Nichols initially stopped? Why did these officers come in so aggressively and violently? Walk us through the latest on the investigation.

SHIMON PROCUPEKZ, CNN SENIOR CRIME AND JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I think you raised some really important points there. The aggressiveness, the aggression. They came in hot, these officers the minute they encountered Tyre Nichols, they were -- they seemed like they were ready to go. Pulling him out of the car. Like you said, the police here in their investigation have not been able to find any reason, any justification for the stop.

There was a claim early on by the police that this was some kind of reckless driving case. And that's why they pulled them over. So far, there's no evidence of that. But when you look through the entire video, and you see the actions of these officers and how they're behaving, in the moments after he's basically brutally beaten, they start to try and come up with a story about what happened.

They're taunting him. You know, Sara makes the point about him yelling for his mother. One of the officers says, like she can hear him. I mean, this is the behavior of these officers in the minutes after they brutally beat him. So, look, in this video, we see several more officers on scene. What is happening with those officers? They didn't intervene. You know, of course, it matters when they came upon the scene.

But we need to know more about those officers and what their status is. And then of course, late last night, we learned, well, there were two deputy sheriffs on scene as well. And we learned that the -- that happens only because -- we only learned of that because this video becomes public. And the sheriff here realizes that and says, OK, well, I'm suspending the sheriffs. So obviously, there's a lot more than we need to know. The Department of Justice is certainly going to dig into this. So, of course, yes, we -- there's still a lot of remaining questions here, Jessica.

DEAN: Yes. A lot more to come. All right. Shimon Procupekz, Sara Sidner, our thanks to both of you there in Memphis.

And here with us now, retired Los Angeles Police Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey. She's also the author of the book, Black and Blue: The Creation of a Social Advocate. Cheryl, always great to have you on. Thanks so much for being with us today. As someone who wants supervised other officers and has been in that position, what stands out to you in these videos?

CHERYL DORSEY, RETIRED LOS ANGELES POLICE SERGEANT: Well, the fact that no one intervened, that no one stepped in and said, OK, that's enough. I mean, you don't punish people. And I know that that happens. It's an unspoken unwritten rule at the end of a foot pursuit officers put in work. They get in a zone. They get involved in what I like to refer to as a wolf pack mentality.

And everybody who arrives on scene, even when the person is in cuffs and custody wants to get in and lick and a kick and a hit. And so, all of that is going to be problematic. And I'll tell you what else is problematic for me, there's been a lot of talk about transparency. And while I appreciate what Chief Davis has done, initially, there were more than five officers on scene who did nothing.

And when you acquiesce to misconduct, you're committing police misconduct. And now we know that there were two sheriffs on scene who she didn't call the sheriff next door and say, hey, by the way, let me give you a heads up to your officers, to your deputies were on scene. And so, you know, the question now that begs to be asked and answered is how transparent is Chief Davis really being?

I understand, she serves at the pleasure of the mayor. And she has to do what she has to do now to save her own. But this is not the first time those officers acted the way that they did. And I know that because they did it too freely. They did it too readily. And they knew that everybody on scene and who showed up would be OK with that activity.

DEAN: That is such an interesting point. And kind of to that point, these officers were wearing body cameras. They knew they had cameras on them. They knew this was being recorded, and yet they still behaved this way. And this is a different situation than the police beating of Rodney King in 1991 where the officers were unaware they were being filmed. In this case, the officers absolutely knew that they were being filmed. They're filming themselves. What does that say to you?

DORSEY: Well, it lets you know that they're savvy, they're sophisticated, and they did what they did knowingly. They were creating an audio record for the excessive use of force that did not need to happen.

[13:10:02] They were creating an audio record to manufacture probable cause. Oh, he put his hands on Mark's gun. He got off the car and I was just like, dude, are you OK? And he punched me. He was driving reckless. They're saying all this stuff to one another after the fact to try to substantiate and justify this use of force. And then we know, they went to the mother's home and told her that her son had been involved in a DUI, another lie, had been taken to the hospital, and she couldn't see him because he's going to get booked after that.

They knew this young man was not going to be booked. He was in too much pain, and was going to require hospitalization. And so, everything that they did speaks to their mindset, speaks to this is how they get down.

DEAN: And walk us through the procedure for body camera use. Is that -- is that a nationwide -- should there be a nationwide standard? My understanding is it's department to department, right?

DORSEY: Well, that's why everything is so Helter Skelter, because you know, police departments act and move differently. And, you know, police chiefs have total autonomy, they just determined and decide how their officers are going to comport themselves and what policy they're going to institute with regards to the body cam. And everything else that these officers do and I think that's part and parcel list of why you have officers with two years on the job work in a specialized unit where they call themselves Scorpions.

That would never happen on the Los Angeles Police Department with someone that was so inexperienced.

DEAN: I want to talk about Scorpion for a second because just for people who -- just so you know at home, that's the specialized unit that they were a part of. And it was tasked with patrolling high crime hotspots and focusing on gang-related crimes, drugs. But this was for an alleged reckless driving stop, which we should remind everyone, they can't find any evidence for that at this point.

Is it typical for a specialized unit to even handle a traffic offense like that? And also, more broadly, what are your thoughts on one of these more specialized units?

DORSEY: Well, they're the police. And so, you know, they can get involved in police activity, if they want to. Their primary function is to be proactive. They're not tied to a radio. So, they're not out there seeing the man and seeing the woman on a radio call. They're free to do -- to get involved in activities that a patrol officer wouldn't have the time to do. So, it's not something that they're prohibited from doing.

But these are what I call elephant hunters. These are Billy badass. These are the guys that kick butt and take names. And we saw them do just that when they approached Mr. Nichols. This wasn't about a traffic stop, you saw how the officer pulled one of the cars, pulled in head on which would be tactically unsafe to do in most sense -- in most instances. And so, these are just bad actors who are out there doing what they do all the time. And I can't believe that the police chief didn't pay attention to those complaints that were coming in about this unit where there's smoke, there's fire. And so she's got some explaining to do.

DEAN: Yes. And this is like that's likely where this heads now, right? As was where was that supervision? Where's that oversight? Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey, thanks so much for your analysis there. We appreciate it.

DORSEY: Thank you.

DEAN: Still to come today. Newly released video shows the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. We will show you that shocking footage next.

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DEAN: Details just coming in from Los Angeles where an investigation is underway following an overnight shooting there that killed three people and injured four others. CNN-affiliate KCAL saying that shooting occurred on a residential street just outside of Beverly Hills in the Beverly Crest community. The L.A. Fire Department tells CNN they responded to a call for assistance around 2:30 this morning.

When they got there, they found three people dead and multiple people with injuries. At this point, a motive for the shooting is unknown, but it is California's fourth mass shooting in just a week.

The San Francisco Superior Court has released the video and audio of the October attack on Paul Pelosi, the husband of then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The disturbing footage includes police body cam video showing the moment when the suspect hit the 82-year-old with a hammer. And what he says -- what he says he planned to do to the speaker. CNN's Camila Bernal is covering this all for us.

And Camila, what can you tell us more about this video? It's very, very hard to watch. Disturbing.

CAMILA BERNAL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It absolutely is, Jessica. We had read a lot of these details in documents but now we're seeing and hearing it. It essentially takes you inside of the home at the moment when he got attacked. And I want to go right to that video but I do want to warn you that it is graphic. Here it is.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's going on, man.

DAVID DEPAPE, SUSPECT IN PAUL PELOSI ATTACK: Everything's good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the hammer.

DEPAPE: Nope. PELOSI: Hey. Hey, hey, hey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is going on in there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

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BERNAL: Now there's also a -- before this video that we just showed you and an after, let's start with the before. We also have newly released 911 audio and that's Paul Pelosi speaking to the dispatcher. You also hear David DePape also talking to the dispatcher at some point but I want you to listen to it so that you can judge for yourself. Here it is.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is San Francisco Police. Do you need help?

PAUL PELOSI, HUSBAND OF NANCY PELOSI: Oh, well, the gentleman here just waiting for my wife to come back, Nancy Pelosi. He's just waiting for her to come back because he's not going to be here for days so I guess we'll have to wait.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Do you need police, fire a medical for anything?

PELOSI: I don't think so. I don't think so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

PELOSI: Yes, there's the -- is the Capitol Police around?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, this is San Francisco --

PELOSI: They usually take my wife -- they're usually here. They're usually here at the house protecting my wife.

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PELOSI: Now after that 911 call, San Francisco police officers come to the house here behind me. And that's when that attack happens as the officers are there watching all of this. And we also have newly- released audio from an interview that David DePape did with authorities. And that's when he describes and admits to this attack on Paul Pelosi. That's when he talks about what he wanted to do to Nancy Pelosi and also saying that if she lied, then he would break her kneecaps.

Those are some of the details that we had read before but now you're hearing them as well. It is important to point out that David DePape has pleaded not guilty to a number of both state and federal charges. We also know that Nancy Pelosi says she does not want to watch this video. She says she's not going to comment on it. But remember her husband did suffer a skull fracture, so she did say that he is recovering and taking it one day at a time. Jessica?

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DEAN: Yes. She told us earlier this week. It'll be several months, Camila, before he is back to normal. Thank you so much for that reporting.

Still to come, the video of the deadly police beating of Tyre Nichols revealed in horrific detail. The violent attack he sustained and the agonizing amount of time that passed before he appeared to receive any medical treatment.

Up next, Dr. Sanjay Gupta tells us about the possible injuries he may have suffered.

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DEAN: At this point, we don't know the specific cause of death for Tyre Nichols. According to preliminary results of an independent autopsy commissioned by attorneys for his family. Nichols suffered extensive bleeding caused by a severe bleeding. Medical experts tell CNN he likely died from internal injuries from blunt force trauma. CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta tells us more about his possible injuries.

Again, a reminder these images are graphic and disturbing.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: What is just horrific to watch even as a trauma neurosurgeon myself, I've never seen anything quite like that. You don't -- you often see patients who are brought into the hospital. But you don't see that sort of just horrific beating that he took over those several minutes. When you -- when you look at this sort of thing, there's obviously so many different injuries that he could have sustained at the time.

I think one of the areas that people probably paid a lot attention to was just all these blows he took to his head. And to his face, he was restrained at one point, taking fists to the face and he was being kicked in the face when he was on the ground. What can happen sometimes is that the brain is the one organ in the body that when it's starting to swell, it really has no place to go because it's encased by the skull, every other organ in the body can swell a little bit more easily.

Brain swelling can start to take place and one can start to lapse in and out of consciousness as seemed to be happening with Mr. Nichols. I watched the videos alongside medical examiners from around the country. And that was the area that they really pointed to was these blows to the head. But it's also worth noting that he's a pretty skinny guy from we understand. And there were kicks to the body, to the torso, to the chest, as well. And any of those organs may have actually sustained damage and started bleeding as well. Could have been suffering from internal bleeding at the time that all this was happening. And that brings us to the -- to the next point which I think is critically important. When you look at sort of the timeline of what was happening there, it was around 8:33 or so, 8:34 When you see this last kick that he sustained, and then he is handcuffed and dragged over to the car.

And then it's eight minutes later before we see EMS even arrive. But it's not till around 9:02. So, 20 minutes after that, 21 minutes after that, almost half an hour in total, before you see a gurney arrive. So, you have a critically ill man who's lying on the sidewalk sustained all these injuries, hard to say, the extent of the injuries or even how serious they are at that point. Obviously, they are serious. But what exactly is the most serious is difficult to ascertain.

And it's a full half an hour before he's really assessed. You hear at various times that it's going to take a while for the ambulance to get there. And that's a -- that's obviously very problematic. He needed to be in a hospital whether or not it would have made a difference ultimately, that's hard to say. And we'll get more information, you know, probably over the coming few days as to exactly what caused his death.

We don't have a firm cause of death yet from the County Medical Examiner. But watching that video, looking at that timeline, you can get -- really get a sense of what happened to him and what happened to him in the days that followed.

DEAN: Dr. Sanjay Gupta for us. Thanks so much. Cities coast to coast saw protests last night after those horrific videos of police brutality with more demonstrations expected tonight. Protesters in Memphis where Nichols lived shut down a major Bridge over the Mississippi River for hours on Friday. CNN's Polo Sandoval is joining me now with more. And Polo, what else did we see in response to these videos being released?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, Jessica, my colleagues and I, we've been monitoring these demonstrations since yesterday throughout the country. And it seems based on police reports that things have remained relatively calm. Short of a very few isolated incidents.

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One, for example, that took place in New York City last night. A group of demonstrators gathering in Times Square, as you see, basically stopping traffic for a few moments.

At one point, one of the many individuals who were there climbing on top of a patrol car, vandalizing it. He's quickly apprehended or detained and taken away by officers.

One of only three arrests that were made in New York City as a result of these demonstrations. But really we have seen these protests throughout the country --

Boston, Atlanta, California. Specifically in Los Angeles, there was a brief confrontation there between law enforcement officers and protesters.

But again, remaining relatively peaceful here, according to the police reports and the departments that we're in contact with.

But there's clearly outrage. But many people here throughout the country adhering to the wishes of the family of Tyre Nichols that they honor the memory of their son in peaceful protest.

And this is why we expect perhaps another round of some of these sporadic demonstrations again tonight.

And that's why law enforcement agencies throughout the country saying they will remain on alert not just for the safety of the citizens but also to ensure the protections of those individuals who are exercising the right to free speech.

The police commissioner here in New York City saying they will certainly have an increased police presence over the next few days to ensure that people who choose to are able to express themselves freely and safely.

Also interesting here, Jessica, what I have seen in many of the statements we've received from police departments across the country, they are also sharing in the outrage that we have seen from people in response to not just the actions of those officers captured on video but also the inaction as well -- Jessica?

DEAN: Yes. Polo Sandoval for us. Thanks so much.

New details in the double-murder trial of Alex Murdaugh, the disgraced South Carolina attorney accused of killing his wife and son. Prosecutors revealing, for the first time, video of him speaking to authorities on the night of the murders. That's ahead.

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DEAN: New details in the double-murder trial of Alex Murdaugh, the disgraced South Carolina attorney accused of killing his wife and son.

Yesterday, prosecutors revealed, for the first time, video of Murdaugh speaking to authorities on the night of those murders. He has pleaded not guilty.

CNN's Randi Kaye has more on what we learned on day two of testimony.

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ALEX MURDAUGH, FORMER ATTORNEY ACCUSED OF KILLING HIS WIFE AND SON: We had a wonderful marriage, wonderful relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Any problems in the relationship?

MURDAUGH: As good as it can be.

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over) This is Alex Murdaugh being interviewed in the investigator's car hours after his wife and son were murdered.

MURDAUGH: I mean, I pulled up and I could see them. I could see it was -- and I could see his brain. And I ran over to Maggie -- and actually, I think I tried to turn Paul over first. I tried to take their pulse on both of them.

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Mm-hmm.

MURDAUGH: And, you know, I called 911 pretty much right away.

KAYE: That conversation took place at nearly 1:00 a.m. on June 8th, 2021. For the first time, we hear him explain how he tried to reach his wife and son with no luck.

MURDAUGH: I got up. I called Maggie, didn't get an answer. And I think I texted her. And she's very good about answering the phone, so that was odd -- or calling me back, so that was odd. But it wasn't that big a deal.

I texted her at 9:08, check on him, be right back. I texted her at 9:47. That must be when I started to come back. I think I called her before that. But let me make sure.

I'm pretty sure that I called her, 9:45. And then I tried Paul.

KAYE: Alex Murdaugh told investigators that he tried to check the pulse on both his wife, Maggie, and son Paul, yet Alex didn't appear to have any blood on him, this investigator told the court.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Did you see what appeared to be blood on him?

UNIDENTIFIED INVESTIGATOR: I did not.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Did you see what appeared to be blood on Alex Murdaugh's hands?

UNIDENTIFIED INVESTIGATOR: I did not.

KAYE: And when the defense lawyer asked her why she thought his clothes were freshly washed --

UNIDENTIFIED INVESTIGATOR: He's sweating and they're dry, so I would say yes.

KAYE: Still, on cross examination, the defense tried to poke holes in the idea that Alex Murdaugh may have washed his clothes after allegedly killing his wife and son.

UNIDENTIFIED DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, let me ask you, in your mind's eye, that night, on June 7th, did he look like someone who had blown his son's head off, splattering blood everywhere?

UNIDENTIFIED INVESTIGATOR: Again, I can't say that for sure.

KAYE (on camera): Also in court, a crime scene investigator testifying for the prosecution pulled out Paul Murdaugh's bloody sneakers he was wearing the night he was killed. That was a dramatic moment.

That same witness also testified that Alex Murdaugh's home wasn't searched until September 13th, 2021. That would have been more than three months after the double murder.

No doubt, when the defense cross-examines that witness on Monday, they will use that to continue its theme of an alleged sloppy investigation.

Randi Kaye, CNN, Walterboro.

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DEAN: Randi, thank you.

For more on this, we're joined by defense and trial attorney, Misty Marris.

Misty, great to have you. Thanks for making time.

I first want to ask you what you made of the first week of trial.

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MISTY MARRIS, DEFENSE & TRIAL ATTORNEY: This week, so much coming out. There's nine witnesses, most of them related to the crime scene, setting the stage, showing the jury this horrific video.

We saw jurors -- those in the courtroom saw jurors having saw jurors, those in the courtroom saw jurors having reactions, putting their heads down when they see this very grisly scene, which we were warned about by opening statements from the prosecutors and defense.

A lot of focus on several areas, so let's go through those.

First of all, this body cam footage. This is the jury hearing directly from the defendant himself. He will likely not testify. So this is the opportunity to see, what was his demeanor after this incident? What was his timeline? This has been a critical component of the case.

And also a lot of focus by prosecutors on the fact that Murdaugh himself says that he tried to turn Paul's body over, that he went over, that he looked for signs of life with both Paul and Maggie, but yet there's no blood on his hands or his shirt.

The prosecutor really using this to paint him as not credible and to paint him as a liar and to establish that he changed his shirt.

But other aspects of this, a lot of focus from the defense on a potentially tainted crime scene. We saw a lot of that on cross- examination.

What we just heard in the reporting, this is going to be a huge inquiry as this week unfolds, that the search warrant was not executed. The day after the police have a search warrant, but they don't execute that search warrant until September, two months later?

The defense will try and say that this means there could have been evidence pointing to other alternative theories but police never followed up on it. By the time they did, that evidence was gone.

So, that's a huge component of what we're going to see this upcoming week.

DEAN: And one of the key points prosecutors trying to make this week was that Murdaugh wasn't crying in the aftermath of his son and wife's deaths.

Here's some of that 911 audio that was played in the trial. It's followed by the first officer to arrive on the scene's testimony, so we'll listen to that.

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MURDAUGH (voice-over): This is a long story. My son was in a boat wreck a few months back. He's been getting threats. Most of it benign stuff, we didn't take serious. He's been getting punched. I know that's what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: OK.

SGT. DANIEL GREENE, COLLETON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: His immediate reaction was to start telling me about an incident that happened with his son with a boating accident.

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DEAN: You do hear he's emotional, but he doesn't seem to be crying. Do you think that the apparent lack of crying in that moment and trying to pin their deaths immediately on someone else will be enough to convince a jury?

MARRIS: This is going to be critical on two fronts, and you nailed both of them.

So, first of all, it's his reaction after the fact. This is a horrific and heinous crime scene. The jury has now seen it.

So the jurors are going to be thinking, how should somebody be reacting in this circumstance when their beloved wife and son have been brutally murdered?

Well, of course, crying is going to be something that they believe would be a normal human reaction. And we've seen Murdaugh crying in the courtroom.

And then we saw later footage during his first interview during the trial this week where he is, in fact, crying.

Now, the other piece of this is this potential alternate theory of the case that's presented right away, Mallory Beach, a boating accident. Paul Murdaugh has been accused and was facing charges of manslaughter.

And Murdaugh's saying that he believes the family had threats, that this could be something associated with those charges and with that incident coming right out the gate.

That's something we know the defense is going to go there. The defense foreshadowed this in their opening statement, said it's more likely that two people feasibly would have been the perpetrators on this crime scene. So that's going to be one component.

Prosecutors saying he's already got an alibi. He's a lawyer. He knows what he's doing. He's setting this up from the get-go.

So both factors are really important to the case. Jurors pay attention to everything, so they will be looking at demeanor. Prosecutors will say that's not the reaction he would have had initially, that doesn't make sense, that's the look of a guilty man.

Defense will argue you never know how you're going to respond in trauma and point to these other instances where he is seen in an emotional state. So a lot more to play out.

DEAN: It will be interesting.

Misty Marris, thank you so much. We appreciate it.

MARRIS: Thank you.

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DEAN: The U.S. and its allies have pledged dozens of tanks to help Ukraine on the battlefield with Russia. Russia says it is a provocation and will only make the war go on longer. We'll ask a former U.S. commanding general what impact he thinks they're going to have.

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DEAN: Ukraine says Russia is pounding the town of Voldahar (ph) in the eastern part of that country. An army spokesman saying nearly 300 rockets and artillery shells have been fired at the town, which is near Donetsk.

A Russian airstrike earlier today killed three civilians in another part of Donetsk.

The strike comes after Germany, the U.S. and others announced plans to send dozens of tanks to Ukraine's military.

I want to bring in retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling. He's a CNN military analyst and a former commanding general, U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army. [13:50:02]

Always great to have you on.

Do you read this intensified Russian assault as a reaction to the decision to send the tanks in?

LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: I don't, Jessica. It is a continuation of some attacks that they've conducted in that region over the last several months. They have not been very successful.

They have continued to use artillery and missile strikes against not only this town but also the civilian population.

So it is a continual effort by the Wagner Group, which we have heard so much about, under the guidance of Yevgeny Prigozhin, to use criminals and people recruited out of prisons, to continue human-wave attacks in this area, along with the artillery strikes by the Russian army.

DEAN: And Ukraine says it wants hundreds of tanks. The U.S. and allies are sending dozens. Walk us through and help us understand the impact these tanks could potentially have.

HERTLING: Well, certainly, you know, as a former tanker, what I would say is tanks give you fire power, shock action, speed, and they overwhelm the enemy.

At the same time, though, Jessica, what I would go back to is there have already been, before this promise this week, which was very good by the way, the U.S. has delivered over 500 armored vehicles and the allies have committed over 3,000.

These are all mostly infantry fighting vehicles, but they are up- armored, such as the Bradleys, which the Ukrainians are training on at the U.S. training center in Germany right now.

Strikers, which are less lightly armored but can carry a lot of infantry, Martyrs from Germany, others, the AMX-10 from France.

You have a litany of vehicles which are being donated to the Ukrainian forces. They will be able to use those in a counterattack.

But when you have heavy armor like the Challengers, like the Leopard IIs, like the Abrams that will eventually come, you are talking about giving a force a great deal of fire power, and speed and shock action.

But I think -- I'm going to make a prediction we will see some offensive operations by the Ukrainians using those lighter armored vehicles against some of the Russian built-in positions in both the east and the southeast.

DEAN: And you are listing out the different types of tanks we've got. And I think we have a graphic that shows this. But the Abrams, the Leopard II, the Challenger, there are different ones coming from different places. In terms of logistics, how does this work to the Ukrainians? Are they

have to learn to operate essentially different systems or are they all kind of similar?

HERTLING: All of the above, yes. Some of them are similar. But truthfully, what you have to look at, Jessica, this is not only just these four types of tanks.

I'm going to go through a litany of some of the ones I have already named, Bradley, Striker, Denmark provided Cesar artillery pieces, M777s, HIMARS, MRAPs, Patriots, AMX-10s. I could go on and on.

What we are talking about is the donations have been great by the NATO and U.S. forces, but it does put quite a strain -- and I have been talking about this from the very beginning -- quite a strain on the logistics and supply chain operations.

Remember, from the Polish/Ukrainian border all the way to the west to the front lines in the Donbass, it is about 600 miles. And the roads are not always great. The terrain isn't. The railroads are constantly being struck.

So you are talking about a very difficult supply line, which, to a guy like me who commanded armored forces in combat, that is of critical importance. It will be very tough.

Then you also have to consider just the training on maintaining the vehicles, not just at the crew level but also at the echelons above the unit where they provide some of the parts and maintenance support.

DEAN: All right. General Mark Hertling, thanks so much for helping us to understand that and giving us context from your experience. We sure do appreciate it.

HERTLING: Always a pleasure. Thanks, Jessica.

DEAN: Two sisters homesick for the food they grew up with opened a savory pie business and now are serving up success in today's "START SMALL, THINK BIG."

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CHANTELLE KWON, CO-OWNER, POUCH PIES: Pouch Pies is a family-run business. We make savory meat pies with recipes from all around the world.

Growing up in South Africa, we were exposed to so many different cuisines.

When we moved to the United States, we really missed the food and couldn't understand how there weren't more savory pies in America.

CHARMAINE ENSLIN, CO-OWNER, POUCH PIES: We have 12 main pies with different countries influencing each of them.

Every recipe starts with the base of fresh onion and garlic. And then we will add the black angus beef or chicken or lamb, often cream or wine, butter.

KWON: Pouch Pies, in 2019, won the category for best pot pie in the National Pie Championship, the best spinach and feta pie.

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ENSLIN: We sell our meat pies in stores across the United States, a lot of international markets.

KWON: We sell directly to customers who go online.

We produce on average 5,000 to 6,000 pies a week.

Our father is Scottish, our mother is Maltese, and our grandfather installed in us that love of food, being a renowned baker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I couldn't think of anything better than spending every day working with my daughters. The dedication to making this meat pie makes me proud.

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