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CNN International: Xi Jinping Vows to Make China's Party a "Great Wall of Steel"; BBC Flagship Football Show Scaled Back Amid Lineker Suspension; Fierce Battle for Bakhmut; Russian Refugees Find New Homes in the Americas. Aired 4:30-5a ET
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Polo Sandoval, CNN, New York.
MAX FOSTER, CNN ANCHOR: In Beijing, the National People's Congress has wrapped its annual session with Chinese leader Xi Jinping consolidating his grip on power.
BIANCA NOBILO, CNN ANCHOR: In first speech of his unprecedented third presidential term, Mr. Xi vowed to build the country's army into the, quote, a "Great Wall of Steel" and to reunited Taiwan with the motherland. And China's
new premier reiterating that Beijing and U.S. can and should cooperate.
CNN's Steven Jiang is live for us in Beijing. We did hear remarks about the United States. Steven, picking up on that last point, we did hear contradictory messaging about the United States. Initially these remarks saying that the U.S. had pursued this containment and suppression strategy towards China in an all around way but then overtures to cooperation. What did you make of it?
STEVEN JIANG, CNN BEIJING BUREAU CHIEF: Well, it is a bit of bad cop and good cop narrative here. But it is interesting because Li Qiang, of course, made his debut performance as premier at that press conference as you mentioned. And until recently, he was a relatively obscured figure outside of China, mostly known to be a close ally being a close ally and protege of Xi Jinping. And then of course, most recently being the party chief of Shanghai who oversaw that brutal two month COVID lockdown in the city.
But actually before COVID, he was seen as one of the more pragmatic and business friendly provincial leaders. So, that's something he highlighted during his press conference. And I think that cooperation with the U.S. remarks they should be seen in that context. Because he was obviously trying to offer a global audience some reassurance.
Now, he's been tasked with running the world's second largest economy with no national governance experience. So the challenge for him, though is, this is very much a one-man show. And Xi Jinping's agenda, that is reasserting the party's dominance in every aspect of China's society including the economy's very much remains the same. So, it really remains to be seen whether or not Li Qiang closeness to Xi Jinping would make any difference -- Bianca.
NOBILO: Steven Jiang in Beijing, thank you so much.
And another significant development from what we heard last week is, of course, the increase of China's defense budget. So they're increasing it by around 7 percent this year, taking it up to around 228 billion for 2023. At the same time, while discussing security threats and talking about being able to reunite China with Taiwan.
FOSTER: Yes, stark language.
U.S. President Joe Biden will host British and Australian leaders in the coming hours for a meeting of the AUKUS group. An emerging defense partnership viewed as a bid to counter China in the Pacific. The U.K.'s Rishi Sunak and Australia's Anthony Albanese are visiting the U.S. for the first time since becoming Prime Ministers.
FOSTER: Sources told CNN that the men will announce Australian's plan to buy and lease four nuclear-powered submarines from the U.S. along with developments of a class of nuclear-powered subs.
Meanwhile, North Korea used a submarine to launch two strategic cruise missiles on Sunday -- according to state media. KCNA says the missiles were fired from waters to the east of the Korean Peninsula and flew for more than an hour before precisely hitting a target.
NOBILO: North Korea's military says that the drill, quote, confirmed the reliability of the weapons system. Pyongyang also says that it will take the toughest counteraction as South Korea and the U.S. kick off joint military exercises today.
FOSTER: There are mixed messages regarding a supposed prisoner swap between U.S. and Iran. The Iranians claim a deal has been reached but the U.S. denies that calling it a cruel lie. The confusion began on Sunday one Iran's Foreign Minister touted the alleged agreement. Telling the state media an exchange of prisoners could happen soon. There are currently three Americans imprisoned in Iran all of whom the U.S. say are wrongly detained. The U.S. State Department says it's working relentlessly to secure their release. NOBILO: Still ahead, the BBC is forced to scale back one of its flagship sports shows as the country tries to figure out how to resolve the Gary Lineker controversy.
FOSTER: And the men Russians who refuse to fight in Vladimir Putin's war of choice are finding new lives far from their homeland. We'll have a report.
NOBILO: Welcome back to CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Bianca Nobilo.
FOSTER: And I'm Max Foster. If you're just joining us, let's bring you up to date with the latest top stories.
U.S. President Joe Biden will address Americans about the Silicon Valley Bank collapse in just a few hours. Officials are vowing to get funds to depositors by today. And Mr. Biden says he'll hold those responsible for the bank's failure fully accountable.
And another storm is heading towards California bringing more rain and snow to the already battered state. Around 50 million people are under flood watches across California and Nevada.
NOBILO: The BBC is facing criticism from all sides including a growing boycott of its flagship football show "Match of The Day." As longtime presenter Gary Lineker remains suspended for criticizing a new U.K. policy on asylum seekers. The network is now airing a scaled-back version of the popular program while it tries to defend its impartiality and figure out what to do next.
FOSTER: With the unenviable task of explaining what this is. CNN's Sport senior analyst Darren Lewis. I mean, it's a very echo chamber- ish kind of story, isn't it? Because these are debates about editorial policies and how they are policed effectively. But we've got the BBC's biggest star crossing what they see as a line. And he's refusing to come back from that.
DARREN LEWIS, CNN SPORT SENIOR ANALYST: Yes, and there are ripples outside of sport as well. Because there are lots of people who feel that maybe the people with the power to use their platform should do that, of which Gary Lineker is one.
For the people who are watching who don't know what the story is, Gary tweeted last week about the U.K. government's immigration policy announced last week. And he talked about the language surrounding it and warned that it could be in his view -- it could lead us down the road towards 1930s Germany.
Now that reference drew criticism from a number of U.K. MPs and other figures and it led the BBC to suggest that he was stepping back from presenting the show which is watched by 60 percent, in some way shape or form, of the British population.
NOBILO: That's untenable.
FOSTER: And you his team supporting him and they wouldn't appear either.
LEWIS: Indeed, all of his team said that they wouldn't go on either. Either people of the BBC sought to present and to appear alongside, said they too, wouldn't take part. All of them on Twitter saying look, I wasn't due to be on, but if I was asked I would not do it. Other people in other shows said we too will walk out -- and they did. It ripped apart the entire BBC sporting schedule for the weekend. Last night there was a truncated match of the day's show. But hours earlier I understand there had been an agreement reached that would seek Gary come back.
FOSTER: Between Gary and the BBC?
LEWIS: And yes, and my understanding is that we should see some movement on it at some point this morning. Where does that leave the BBC? Well, it's hard to tell. Gary had been tweeting in a private capacity. They say that his tweet reach there rules of impartiality. Other people say at the BBC, there are people with leaning toward the U.K. Conservative Party.
And so, where does that leave the whole -- and you and I, Max, we've had this debate already. In the modern era, is it really feasible, with all of the important stories CNN brings to viewers around the world that mean so much to all us in a social capacity, is it really feasible, realistic, to expect us to leave our views, as long as their balanced and within reason, at the door? That's something that lots of people will ask as well, given the importance in an interconnected world. It is going to be something that's runs and runs, but certainly we should get some movement on the Lineker story this morning.
FOSTER: One tweet exposing so many sort of debates, big debates. Darren, thank you very much.
FOSTER: Up next, the ahead of the Wagner Group is acknowledging a very tough situation in the city of Bakhmut, where he says Ukrainian forces are putting up a fierce fight. We'll have the latest.
FOSTER: A top Ukraine military commander says assault units with the Russian mercenary group Wagner are advancing from several directions around Bakhmut. He said the situation on the ground remains difficult as Russian forces try to break through their defense in advance towards the central districts of the battered city. NOBILO: Meantime, the head of Wagner is also acknowledging that
Ukrainian troops are fiercely fighting for every meter of Bakhmut. CNN's Clare Sebastian is following developments and joins us now. Clare, we know that to be the case, but there's been discussion for so many weeks about whether or not Ukrainians would capitulate, whether the loss of life is too much strategically, it doesn't make sense to hold out there. But they continue to do so. Last week it seemed very much, from what you were saying, that the momentum was with the Russians. Where do things stand now?
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's interesting because just last week, Wagner was claiming control over the eastern part of the city. It seemed that the Russians had the edge in this battle. And there was debate taking place among Ukrainian military commanders about the merits of holding out given the losses on both sides. And it looks like now Ukraine has cemented its resolve to hold on, to continue to fight. To continue to defend and is claiming a lot of casualties on the Russian side. Take a listen to what President Zelenskyy had to say.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): In less than a week starting from March 6th, we managed to kill more than 1,100 enemy soldiers in the Bakhmut sector alone which is Russia's irreversible loss, a loss right there, near Bakhmut.
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SEBASTIAN: So, we obviously can't verify those numbers, casualty numbers on both sides are always fraught with difficulty and impossible to verify. The Russian side is also claiming that it's inflicting heavy casualties on the Ukrainian side.
But, look, while the Ukrainian resolve has strengthened to do this, I think we have to look at the reasons why. Because any military analyst that you talk to will say Bakhmut is not or wasn't to begin with a very strategically important city. Yes, President Zelenskyy talks about this open road that Russia would have if it took Bakhmut. It could advance to cities like Sloviansk, Kramatorsk and other places in the east.
But what we're seeing now, it looks like more of an attrition strategy on the Ukrainian side. The commander is actually coming out and saying we have to inflict these heavy casual. We have to prevent them from being able to launch spring offensive. And at the same time, use this to buy time for Ukraine to regroup for, potentially for its own spring offensive.
NOBILO: Clare Sebastian, thank you so much.
FOSTER: Many Russian men who refused to go to war against Ukraine have made the difficult decision to leave the only country that they've ever known. Rafael Romo looks at how their lives have changed in one popular destination.
RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a completely new world for Tim Saganenko the 7-year-old Russian boy has been in Argentina for only three weeks after his parents decided to leave their native country.
NIKOLAS SAGANENKO, RUSSIAN IMMIGRANT: We were forced to leave our motherland. And we have a different opinion on what happens in Russian now, so we decided to leave the country.
ROMO (voice-over): His father, Nikolas Saganenko who speaks fluent English and some Spanish --
SAGANENKO: no hablo ingles
ROMO (voice-over): -- says his son doesn't speak any language other than Russian but so far that doesn't seem to be a problem.
SAGANENKO: My son is 7 years old and he is very excited to find new friends. It's only four days, he's in school and already he was at two birthday parties. He's making new friends very easily.
ROMO: The Saganenkos are not the only Russian family who has decided to make Buenos Aires, the bustling capital of Argentina, their home. According to government figures, more than 320 Russian children have been registered in local schools since the beginning of the school year that started at the end of February.
Additionally, more than 100 adult Russians have enrolled in local colleges.
ROMO (voice-over): The Saganenkos registered their son at the San Carlos Academy, a private school in Olivos, in suburban Buenos Aires. Last year, there were only two Russian students. But this school year the number has increased sharply, according to the school principal.
PROF. ESTEBAN SPEYER, SAN CARLOS ACADEMY, PRINCIPAL (through translator): Today, we had an interview with a new student who starts tomorrow, for example. In other words, we now have 12 students recently arrived from Russia who did not speak Spanish.
ROMO (voice-over): Russian President Vladimir Putin's order to conscript men to fight in Ukraine last September prompted an exodus. In the following weeks, there were long lines of Russian men in neighboring countries like Kazakhstan to register with the local authorities.
More recently, some Russian men have traveled to Mexico, hoping to seek asylum in the United States, voting with their feet against Putin's war in Ukraine.
SERGEI ZHUSTAREV, RUSSIAN IMMIGRANT: I don't want to fight and kill people. I don't want to fight for the terrorist Putin. ROMO (voice-over): According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data, by the end of February, nearly 22,000 Russians have tried entering the United States through its southern border since October.
ALSU ASPIDOVA, RUSSIAN IMMIGRANT: We came here about two months ago. And we would like to live here in Argentina.
ROMO (voice-over): Back in the southern hemisphere, Russian parents like Alsu Aspidova say their children are adjusting just fine and embracing their new life.
ASPIDOVA: He's learning a language with home teachers.
ROMO (voice-over): An estimated hundreds of thousands of Russians have left their country since the beginning of the war. For some of them, traveling across the world to a country they don't know and learning a new language seemed like small sacrifice when compared to the risk of being trapped in a war they don't support.
Rafael Romo, CNN, Atlanta.
NOBILO: Just ahead, college basketball fans rejoice, at the NCAA tournaments tips off this week. We'll have a preview on the top-seed teams.
FOSTER: March madness upon us, the brackets of the NCAA men's and women's college basketball tournaments are officially set. 68 schools will be competing for the national championship.
NOBILO: In the men's tournament, Kansas, one of the four number one seeds along with Alabama, Houston and Purdue. Kansas is hoping to repeat as national champions. The men's tournament kicks off on Tuesday.
FOSTER: And the women's tournament, South Carolina, Indiana, Stanford, Virginia Tech, all named the top seeds. South Carolina will also be trying to repeat as national champions. The women's tournament kicks off on Wednesday.
NOBILO: And you've kind of got a vested interest in this now, don't you?
FOSTER: Well, my son took up basketball, as you know.
NOBILO: Yes, going up a bit of a --
FOSTER: And I'm having a crash course in --
NOBILO: All things basketball?
FOSTER: -- all things basketball. But I did just teach you something.
NOBILO: You did. I me, I know nothing about it really.
FOSTER: You don't even know what the real tipoff was?
NOBILO: No, I didn't.
So, you made me feel very --
NOBILO: Thank you for letting our viewers know.
We're now getting our first full look at the live action version of "The Little Mermaid." Which I more likely to school you about. After the trailer premiered during the Oscars. Here's part of it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Watch and you'll see, some day I'll be, part of your life.
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FOSTER: Those graphics are unbelievable. The trailer now part of our world after two of the film's stars, Halle Bailey and Melissa McCarthy presented the film on stage Sunday night before the trailer aired for viewers at home. The 1989 animated classic is coming to life in this new film. And it's due in theaters on May 26th. And you're a big fan, so you've got a lot to live up to you.
NOBILO: Yes, they certainly do. They do. I think Melissa McCarthy will be an excellent Ursula.
FOSTER: Thanks for joining us on CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Max Foster.
And I'm Bianca Nobilo, "EARLY START" with Christine Romans is coming up next on CNN.