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Netanyahu Ready to Accept Biden Cease-Fire Plan?; Hunter Biden Found Guilty on All Counts. Aired 11-11:30a ET

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington, and we're following breaking news.

Israel now appears ready to formally publicly sign up to President Biden's announced cease-fire plan for Gaza. In a statement attributed only to a government official but widely understood to be the prime minister's office, says Israel won't end the war without reaching its objectives, but it now says -- and I'm quoting now -- "The proposal presented enables Israel to achieve those goals and Israel will indeed do so" -- end quote.

Our White House correspondent, Arlette Saenz, is standing by over at the White House. Our chief national security correspondent, Alex Marquardt, is here with me in the CNN NEWSROOM.

Alex, pressure has been growing and growing on the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, but this appears to be a major breakthrough.

ALEX MARQUARDT, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: It does appear to be significant. We're hearing more and more positive signs from both sides, from both Hamas and Israel.

We have this new statement, albeit from an anonymous Israeli government official, as you say, widely believed to be coming from the prime minister's office, that says that Israel will not give up on its objectives, which include destroying Hamas' military and governing capabilities.

But, very importantly, it says that this proposal that President Biden put forward a week-and-a-half ago, which he called an Israeli proposal, by the way, does achieve these goals, and Israeli will indeed achieve those goals. So this does appear to be a softening of the position by Israel.

You're not hearing demands for the elimination, the complete eradication of Hamas, which we have heard from Netanyahu in the past. And we did hear earlier today from the secretary of state, Antony Blinken, who just left Israel after several meetings, including one with the prime minister, in which he said the Prime Minister Netanyahu reaffirmed his support for the plan that Biden laid out.

Let's listen to a little bit more of what he had to say.

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ANTONY BLINKEN, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: I met with Prime Minister Netanyahu last night, and he reaffirmed his commitment to the proposal.

I also had an opportunity to speak to the defense minister, Gallant, and other senior Israelis this morning. And I think there is a strong consensus again behind moving forward with the proposal. But it really is down to one person at this point.

We will see what comes from them and from him.

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MARQUARDT: So the "them" there is Hamas and the "him" is Yahya Sinwar, the head of Hamas in Gaza.

And what Blinken is saying very clearly is that, for all the Hamas negotiators, for everything they say, this comes down to Yahya Sinwar, who is in Gaza. He's believed to be in tunnels beneath Gaza, perhaps surrounded by hostages.

There's a remarkable new report in "The Wall Street Journal" today which has notes from Yahya Sinwar to the Hamas interlocutors who have been having a role in these negotiations in which he talks about having the Israelis right where we want them and talking about the deaths of these thousands of Palestinian civilians, saying that these are necessary sacrifices, so some really cold-blooded stuff.

So the U.S. is saying that the onus is on Hamas and specifically on Sinwar to respond to this deal. We have heard positive noises coming out of Hamas yesterday after a U.N. resolution was voted on. They said that they are ready to engage with the mediators on what that resolution laid out for, a permanent cease-fire.

But, Wolf, this really does seem to be headed -- this is on Yahya Sinwar to respond, because now we're hearing these positive responses from the Israelis.

BLITZER: Very positive, indeed. It could be a huge, huge win for President Biden as well.

I want to bring in Arlette Saenz over at the White House for us.

What are you hearing over there? This could be a pretty big victory for President Biden's efforts to achieve at least some sort of cease- fire hostage release inside Gaza.

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: It could be, Wolf.

And we're still waiting to hear if the White House has any reaction to this latest statement from the Israeli side. But, of course, the devil will be in the details, as Israel has expressed some openness to this proposal, which Biden had actually said was initially an Israeli proposal.

Now, mediators have been waiting for Hamas to respond to the proposal that President Biden had laid out about 10 days ago. Just over the weekend, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said that an enduring cease-fire is the only path forward for this war to end.

And just to remind viewers about what exactly President Biden has proposed, he proposed a three-part plan that would start with phase one, which would last for about six weeks, which would secure the release of some hostages, such as women, elderly and the wounded, in exchange for Palestinian prisoners.

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During that time, during those six weeks, Hamas and Israel would still need to negotiate to try to get to phase two, which would then secure the release of all other hostages. The hope in the end is that there would be a full cease-fire and then they can move into phase three, which would include reconstruction and also the return of those hostages whose bodies remain -- who have died whose bodies remain in Gaza.

That reconstruction phase likely would last several years, but it all comes as President Biden has really spoken multiple times about how he believes this proposal that has been put forth is the way to end this war and that it is time for this war to end.

He has argued that Israel has achieved much of its goals in trying to degrade Hamas' ability to carry out another October 7 attack. And so his team here at the White House has been working with the Israelis, trying to push this plan forward. As you heard Alex mentioned, Blinken met with Netanyahu where he said he reaffirmed his commitment to this proposal.

So we will see what more the White House has to say about this latest statement from the Israelis today.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BLITZER: All right, there's major breaking news right now. The jury has reached a verdict in the federal gun case against Hunter Biden in Wilmington, Delaware.

CNN's Evan Perez is following these developments for us. He's joining us from just outside the courthouse.

Update our viewers right now. This sounds to be like a pretty quick decision by member -- the 12 members of the jury, what, two hours today, one hour yesterday, total of about three hours they have been deliberating.

And now, Evan, I take it they have reached a verdict?

EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Wolf. We now know from the courtroom that a verdict has been reached. Any

minute now we expect that Hunter Biden is going to be making his way back to the courthouse. He was here earlier this morning, left after about 20 minutes and went to a -- we believe, to a hotel nearby, where the family members, he and the family members have been using a base while he waited for the jury to come back.

So, as you pointed out, they had about one hour of deliberations yesterday before they broke, and then two hours this morning. And now we know that there is a verdict. We don't know what that verdict is. But, as a reminder, this is a case that is focused on three charges, three federal felonies for lying on a form in order to buy a firearm and possessing that firearm.

Again, over 11 days, Hunter Biden owned this gun. He had it. He bought it on October 12 of 2018. And the center of this case has been prosecution -- the prosecution says that he knew he had been struggling with drug addiction, because he's written about it.

They showed videos, they showed photos, they showed text messages, everything indicating that he was struggling with drug addiction at this time and that, when he went to the gun store here in Delaware to buy the firearm, that he filled out -- filled out form saying that he was not a drug addict.

So that has been the center of this case, that the defense has focused on this idea that his state of mind was not clear, that he may have believed he was not addicted to drugs because there was -- the prosecution did not have any evidence in October of 2018 that he was using.

So that's been what this case has centered on over the last few days, an overwhelming amount of evidence from the prosecution, really, not much in dispute, except for his state of mind, really, on those key days, those 11 days in October of 2018.

That's what the jury was faced with here, Wolf.

BLITZER: Evan, so walk us through what happens next. I assume they gather everyone inside the court and then the judge will get the verdict from the members of the jury, from the foreperson of the jury. And walk us through how that unfolds.

PEREZ: That's right, Wolf.

We have a little bit of time between the time that the jurors sent a word that they had reached the verdict. Again, the defendant had left the court -- the court, which is kind of unusual. I mean, usually, you have defendants sit here while they wait for the jury.

Not every defendant, of course, has a Secret Service detail and a Secret Service protection. So it is possible that's the reason why they decided that he was able to leave the courthouse for a little while. Again, he left about -- after about 20 minutes here in the courthouse. And then he's just right now on his way back in for the presentation

of this verdict. Now, what we expect is that, once the jurors come in, they will be queried on whether the verdict is unanimous. They really -- it's only three counts that they have to go through, and they have to all agree on all of the elements for those three counts.

He faces up to 25 years if convicted. Of course, a judge could also decide that she could -- that she could sentence -- again, if there is a conviction that -- if there is a conviction, she could decide that the sentences for each of those counts would be served concurrently, which is maximum of 10 years.

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Again, all of those things, we don't know, because a judge has not really -- we don't -- we haven't heard from the jury and we don't know what the judge will end up deciding. Between the time of the jury verdict and if there is a conviction, we expect that there's going to be some weeks before we get a sentencing.

And, of course, Wolf, remember that Hunter Biden also faces a separate case in Los Angeles for tax crimes, alleged tax violations. And that right now is on the calendar for September. So, he could be doing this all over again before a jury in Southern California in a few months, Wolf.

BLITZER: And very quickly, Evan, before I let you go, a guilty verdict obviously requires unanimity among the 12 jurors. An acquittal also requires unanimity.

If it were to be a hung jury, there could be a hung jury, but given the fact that they have only been in deliberations for three hours, that's almost certainly not going to happen right now. The judge would make them go back...

PEREZ: Right.

BLITZER: ... and continue considering what's going on, given that this is relatively quickly, only three hours, an hour yesterday, two hours today, that they have been deliberating.

So it's clearly going to be either guilty or acquitted, not guilty. And either one of those needs to be unanimous, but they're moving very quickly, aren't they?

PEREZ: That's right, Wolf.

It has to be unanimous. And, look, I mean, the fact that we haven't seen any notes from the jury, we haven't seen any questions asked by the jury is also kind of an interesting thing, because this was a hard-fought case. It was a week of evidence from the prosecution, 13 witnesses in all over a week, over really something that was not very much in dispute.

And so the idea that they have a verdict means that this jury believed that the evidence was clear for one side or the other. One of the interesting things, I had a conversation with some of the security officers in the court today, and they said they have seen some interesting things.

I mean, obviously, this -- this -- the amount of evidence that we have seen that prosecutors pile on, on Hunter Biden is overwhelming. And so it would be a surprise if he was able to evade on all of this.

But I talked to a couple of court security officers who said they have -- recently, they have seen a couple of cases where video evidence, jurors were -- just tossed it out and said not guilty. So we don't know until we hear from this jury, Wolf.

BLITZER: We will hear fairly soon, I take it.

Evan, Evan Perez, thank you very, very much.

PEREZ: Yes.

BLITZER: I want to bring in Evan Osnos right now, a biographer of President Biden.

Evan, thank you so much for joining us.

Give us a little big picture right now how this is all in -- this is the first time in American history the son of a sitting American president has been tried. We will see what the -- what the verdict is from the jury momentarily. But give us a big picture how this has impacted the president and his family.

EVAN OSNOS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: As you say, Wolf, this really is unprecedented by any definition, the first time in American history that a Justice Department has charged the child of a sitting president with a criminal offense in this way.

And, in many ways, this case entered a completely different phase about a year ago. It was in July of 2023 when a plea deal, which seemed to have been worked out, which might close the chapter on this very painful, difficult, destructive period in Hunter Biden's life, could actually result in him avoiding trial.

That plea deal collapsed in July. And, as a result, you now see him here in court. And, as Evan Perez was saying, this has been weeks of very difficult, overwhelming evidence brought by the prosecution of Hunter Biden's history of addiction.

And, in many ways, Wolf, the most surprising thing has been the degree of turmoil that was happening offstage of public life in the Biden family, dividing members of the family from one another. And I think there's just no question this has been a very painful period for the president and for the first lady, who, after all, has been attending every day of this trial.

So it's really hard to overstate how anxious this moment is for the president and his family as they await what the news will be.

BLITZER: Yes, it's very anxious indeed. Evan, stand by.

Tim Parlatore and our panel are here with us.

What do you think? It's -- they moved very quickly, this jury, two hours of deliberations today, one hour yesterday, and now they have reached a verdict.

TIM PARLATORE, CNN LEGAL COMMENTATOR: And it sounds to me like they didn't send out a single note either. So...

BLITZER: Meaning questions to the judge.

PARLATORE: Correct. Correct, I mean, no clarification on jury instructions, nothing, no request to hear any readbacks.

So, I mean, I do -- generally speaking, when a jury comes back that quickly, from my line of work, we don't feel good, that it's most likely going to be a conviction. It's possible. You never know what a jury's going to do. But no notes that quickly, it's generally...

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BLITZER: We can assume it's not a hung jury, though.

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PARLATORE: No, definitely not. You would have had notes...

BLITZER: Yes.

PARLATORE: ... several notes coming out saying, Judge, we're hopefully deadlocked. What can we do?

BLITZER: Right.

PARLATORE: There's definitely a verdict. This quick, it's probably a conviction. But who knows?

BLITZER: You think it's -- and you think the prosecution had a very strong case?

PARLATORE: I think that they did because of the rebuttal case.

Yes, I thought that their case was circumstantial, at best. I thought that Abbe Lowell did a phenomenal job of...

BLITZER: The defense attorney.

PARLATORE: Yes, poking holes in the timeline to show that they could show before they could show after, but they couldn't show during.

But then the rebuttal case, they came out with text messages of him texting the dealer on the day of the gun purchase. And I thought that that was pretty devastating. And so I can -- I don't know why they didn't put that on their case in chief, because I think that was probably one of the strongest pieces of evidence.

It's far stronger than having the ex-wife testify about what he had done years before. But I think that, if I were a juror, that would be the key for me.

BLITZER: Yes, your opinion is shared by a lot of other lawyers as well right now.

Jamie, what do you think?

JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: OK, I will leave it to the lawyers to guess. We don't know, but, certainly, the speed of it, that's what it feels like, but we don't know.

I do think that one of the things that we talked about earlier is his history of addiction is very well-known. And the fact that there was all of this evidence before this date, evidence after the debate, I know Abbe Lowell. He is an excellent attorney. And he did the best with what he could.

And there is this vague period in the middle there about what his status was. But it did -- I did think the prosecution made a strong case.

BLITZER: It was a very strong case.

And they used his audiobook. And the members of the jury could actually hear him discussing his addiction to various illegal drugs. And I think that was probably a pretty powerful moment in the course of this trial as well.

SHERMICHAEL SINGLETON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I mean, I think it probably was Wolf.

But I'm taking a position, should someone who is addicted to any substance not have the constitutional right to keep and bear arms? Regardless of the political differences, I want to take a higher ground here. This is the son of the sitting president of the United States of America.

I can only imagine what types of threats he is getting on a constant basis. He did not...

BLITZER: Hold on for one moment.

SINGLETON: Sure. Sure.

BLITZER: Think -- keep that thought.

But Paula Reid has just walked outside of the court. She is joining us right now from Wilmington, Delaware.

What's the latest you are hearing, Paula?

PAULA REID, CNN CHIEF LEGAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, the jury has found Hunter Biden, the president's son, guilty on all three counts in this case after three hours of deliberation.

Count one is a false statement in the purchase of a firearm. Count two is false statement related to information required to be kept by a federal firearms licensed dealer. Count three is possession of a firearm by a person who is an unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance.

So he has been found guilty on all three counts. Now, the jury here is comprised of six men and six women. It is a majority-black jury. This is day seven of this historic trial. This is the first time that the child of a sitting president has faced criminal prosecution.

This is the first of two criminal trials that he will face after a plea deal that he negotiated fell apart. Now, for the past seven days, he has enjoyed enormous support from his family, including his stepmother, the first lady of the United States, who has been here for many days during this trial, other family members, friends of the family, clergy members.

He has had dozens of people here showing support for him. And it was notable yesterday that, at the beginning of the prosecutors' closing argument, they pointed to the gallery, where the first lady has been sitting, and said, those people, they don't matter. What matters here is the evidence.

And, here, the jury believes that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Hunter Biden was guilty of all three of these crimes. Now, the most difficult challenge for prosecutors, Wolf, was proving that Hunter Biden knowingly lied throughout the course of this process, that he was aware of the fact that he was either using or addicted to drugs.

And they pointed yesterday to the fact that, shortly before he purchased this gun, that he had been recently in rehab. So prosecutors said, look, if he hadn't just been to rehab, maybe we could buy the idea that he wasn't aware of the fact that he had a problem with substance abuse.

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But, again, after three hours of deliberation, a jury here in Wilmington, Delaware, finding the president's son guilty on all three counts.

BLITZER: And, Paula, potentially, he faces, what, a maximum of about 25 years in jail; is that right?

REID: Yes, look, sentencing is much more of an art than it is a science. That is the far upper range of the sentencing guidelines.

But he is, of course, a first-time offender, so we don't expect that he would get a sentence anywhere near that. But that is the upper end of the sentencing guidelines for these specific offenses. And, also, this is the second trial -- the first of two trials that he will face. He will face a second trial in September later this year on tax- related charges. Now, we have a new flurry of activity coming out of the court. I'm

going to have our reporter just come over and tell us what else they're learning, because, obviously, the most important thing was the verdict. But we're also getting other information, including color about his reaction.

There was great hope within Hunter Biden's legal camp that perhaps they would get a hung jury here in Wilmington, that people would believe that this was an unfair prosecution, that nobody else who had a different name would face this case. It is, objectively speaking, a very unique case.

But, here, the jury believed that the prosecutors proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

BLITZER: A major, major development, Hunter Biden guilty of all three counts in this trial that's been going on.

And potentially, right now, Paula -- give us a sense, Paula, will he be incarcerated awaiting sentencing, or will he be able to go home?

REID: No, we don't expect that he will be detained pending sentencing. It's unclear how long it will take for him to get a sentencing date that will likely be set today.

And just like former President Trump, we have seen up in New York, there's a whole process ahead of sentencing. But, as I said, he has another federal trial in September, so it's unclear exactly when his sentencing date will be. But we fully expect that he will likely be out and about, still a free man, even though he is facing this conviction, until his sentencing.

And then I would expect that there will be a series of appeals. But there are questions about just how many resources he has remaining to fund his legal defense. He is right now not working. His longtime friend and attorney Kevin Morris has been paying most of his legal bills.

But, Wolf, it's not just these criminal trials that he's facing. He and his lawyers are pursuing this very aggressive, litigious campaign against his detractors. They have a lot of civil lawsuits that are costing them money.

But I fully expect he will appeal this verdict and ultimately the sentence. And he may, he may make a brief statement after court. We will see how he's feeling after this conviction.

BLITZER: Yes, I'm sure he's not feeling very good about being convicted on all three counts, guilty all three counts.

All right, Paula, stand by. We will get back to you. I know you're getting more information from inside the courtroom as well. And we will get back to you on that.

Jamie Gangel, what do you think? GANGEL: Look, this is obviously a painful and a difficult moment for

the whole Biden family. No parent wants to see something like this happen.

I think, considering how quickly the verdict came down, we saw the prosecution's case. It's not that surprising. I do think it's notable that Hunter Biden's trial and this conviction is an example of no one being above the rule of law, including the president's son, and stands in stark contrast to how former President Trump behaved up in New York, coming out every day, calling the judge corrupt, saying it was rigged, witch-hunt.

And I think it's also notable that President Biden has said that he will not pardon his son.

BLITZER: Yes, and he would honor the verdict, whatever that would be.

GANGEL: Correct.

BLITZER: Evan Osnos is still with us, the Biden biographer.

Evan, give us your reaction to this guilty verdict for Hunter Biden.

OSNOS: You know, I'm thinking back, Wolf, to the fact that Joe Biden for many, many years has talked about addiction in his family.

I mean, many years ago, as -- when he was asked why it is that he doesn't drink alcohol, he said, "There are too many alcoholics in my family," which is in many ways kind of running beneath the surface of this story.

I mean, the fact is, this is now a day in which Joe Biden's surviving son, to use the term that he uses, is going to be going to prison -- or, I should say, let me fix that, has now been convicted and is now facing serious consequences for the combination of his addiction and this period in his life, which was described in such brutal detail over the course of the last -- I think it's also important to mention, as Jamie mentioned, that the president has been clear that he wasn't going to intervene in this case.

He has been declining to talk about it. He has said he wouldn't pardon his son. I think that strikes a lot of people as notable. It's something that he has held fast to in this process. And you can be sure this is reverberating right now through the Biden family in a way that, after all, a family that has seen its fair share of suffering over the years and is now preparing for another very difficult phase.

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BLITZER: Evan, stand by.

Paula Reid is getting more information from inside the courtroom right now.

Paula, give -- update our viewers on the latest. REID: Well, as I said earlier, Hunter has enjoyed significant support

from his family, family friends, members of the clergy. And the first lady of the United States has been here.

His stepmom has been here most days of this trial. But the verdict came very quickly between the time we were alerted that it was ready and the time it was read. And the first lady, actually, she didn't get here in time to hear the verdict read. So that is significant that she was not here during the verdict, but she was here for many other pivotal moments of this trial.

And I will note, the president has said that he would not pardon his son, that he will respect the verdict. I will note, look, legal nerd here, right, recovering lawyer, there's also the option to potentially commute any sentence. While he may not pardon his son, he would have the option to commute whatever sentence his son receives here for this trial.

So, if, at the end of his term, his son is still serving that sentence, he could potentially commute his sentence, so something important to remember, even though his father said, at this point, he would not offer him a pardon. But he has received unwavering support from his stepmother throughout this trial.

Even while she has been traveling abroad to Europe, she has still come back and been here front and center, sitting in the front row, offering support, not only to her stepson, but to other members of the family.

For example, their granddaughter had to testify, Naomi Biden. And when she and her husband walked in the courtroom that day for her to testify, the first lady immediately looked at Naomi's husband, motion for him to come sit right next to her. So the first lady has been here throughout this trial, offering support, again, not just to the defendant, her stepson, but also to other members of the family that have been part of this.

BLITZER: All right, Paula Reid, I know you're continuing to get more information. Our reporters are inside. They're bringing you that information. We will get back to you very soon.

I want to go to Arlette Saenz over at the White House right now.

It's been very quick. Has there been any reaction at all from officials over there, Arlette?

SAENZ: No reaction just yet, Wolf, but this certainly will be a painful moment for the Biden family, as their son, only living son, Hunter Biden, has now been found guilty on all three felony charges.

As Paula noted, first lady Jill Biden arrived at the court just a few minutes after this verdict had been read. She has been on hand for five of the six days that this trial was under way, even going back and forth from Wilmington to France for official duties last week.

But we're still waiting to hear how exactly President Biden learned the news of this conviction and if or when he will be calling his son. Of course, the Biden family is incredibly close. And for the most part, the statements that we have heard from the Biden family around this trial is simply expressing their love and support for their son as he is facing these criminal charges, but also stressing the fact that they are proud of him in the face of adversity after overcoming some of his struggles with addiction.

Now, as Paula noted just last week, President Biden was specifically asked in an interview whether he would accept the results of this verdict or pardon his son. I want to play you a little clip of that moment. Take a listen.

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DAVID MUIR, ABC NEWS: Let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is?

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes.

MUIR: And have you ruled out a pardon for your son?

BIDEN: Yes.

MUIR: You have?

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SAENZ: Now, President Biden is at the White House right now.

A bit later today, he's expected to deliver a remarks at a gun violence prevention conference with Everytown for Gun Safety. And so we will see whether we hear anything directly from President Biden himself or this White House.

But, certainly, this caps off years of a very tumultuous period for the Biden family. As you heard detailed in this court case, there were very personal testimonials. The president -- Hunter's own words were played back in court recounting some of his struggles with addiction, some of the very tumultuous periods in their family history.

You had the Biden granddaughter, Naomi Biden, testifying about her father as well. And, of course, first lady Jill Biden has been on hand for the majority of this trial, taking all of that in. I had been told that there was no question for the first lady that she wanted to be there by Hunter Biden's side as this trial played out.

And so we will see a little bit more later today whether President Biden might be weighing in on this conviction of his only living son.

BLITZER: All right, Arlette, we will get back to you. You will update our viewers as you get more information. Thank you very much.

Paula Reid's getting more information. She's over outside the courthouse in Wilmington, Delaware.

What else are you learning, Paula? REID: So, Wolf, I'm reading notes from our colleagues who are inside

the courthouse. Of course, there are no cameras in there.