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Ukraine: Russia Launches Widespread Attack on Energy Sites; Millions Travel for Holiday, Air Traffic Slow in Northeast; World Leaders Shift Focus to Gaza After Lebanon Truce. Aired 4-4:30a ET

Aired November 28, 2024 - 04:00   ET

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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Vladimir Putin's army advancing on nearly all front lines.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need to defend ourselves. America and Europe and other countries will give Ukraine all the weapons they have.

ANTHONY ALBANESE, AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: Social media is doing social harm to our young Australians.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The age is really fundamentally important that we need to get right. It negates the fact that young people have very, very different levels of maturity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are you from?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From Sydney, Australia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you enjoying this so far?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's amazing. I've never seen anything like it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's the favorite thing you've seen?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, definitely bluey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's your favorite balloon? What's the most beautiful balloon?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do love Dora the Explorer.

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ANNOUNCER: Live from London, this is CNN Newsroom with Max Foster and Christina Macfarlane.

CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello and a warm welcome to our viewers joining us from around the world. I'm Christina Macfarlane. It's Thursday, November 28th. Happy Thanksgiving to all of those celebrating in the U.S.

It's 9 a.m. here in London and 11 a.m. in Ukraine, where Russia has launched a massive overnight air assault on the country's energy infrastructure. Authorities now say it's left more than a million homes without power. Many people took shelter in the capital, Kyiv, where air raid sirens sounded for more than nine hours because of a combined missile and drone attack. One person was injured in central Ukraine and another in the port city of Odesa.

Russia has repeatedly targeted Ukraine's power plants and other energy sites since the fighting began in 2022. And those strikes have picked up in recent months, threatening Ukraine's heat supply as winter approaches.

CNN's Nick Paton Walsh joins us now from central Ukraine. Nick, this is the second major attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure just this month. Talk to us about how widespread and extensive that damage was overnight.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, I mean, obviously it takes a while for some of the details to percolate through, but significant damage to the ability of Ukraine to keep itself warm, frankly, and keep the lights on in these dark, freezing winter months.

Now, we've seen reports across the country of homes without power. A million, you said there, but in some areas the power comes back on relatively quickly. There is some element of resilience in all of this, but the damage as we head into the darker, more freezing winter months, Christina, will be significant.

Ukraine's had many winters of this already trying to endure, but Russia's use of the Kh-101 missiles here, a number of them that are particularly fast-moving and able to get through the significant air defenses that work around major cities here, is a sign of how desperate Moscow seems to be to impede Ukraine's ability to stay warm, trying to lessen morale in the months ahead.

On top of that as well, though, night after night, Moscow has massively increased its use of drones, normally Iranian-supplied Shahed drones, some of which actually are apparently being made slowly inside Russia's territory as well.

A record 188 fired at Ukraine overnight, we're told by officials, and so clearly Russia pushing as hard as it can right now to increase that sense of anxiety, panic, terror in Ukrainian cities. The Shaheds sometimes are shot down, sometimes slam into civilian areas, sometimes aim for military targets or infrastructure itself. So again, sleepless nights for many Ukrainians, Christina.

MACFARLANE: And Nick, we've seen your reporting from the Eastern front just this week, where the situation appears to be very bleak for Ukrainian soldiers. What was your impression on being there as to how long, or how much longer Ukraine can hold out in that region to prevent Russian troops from advancing? PATON WALSH: Yeah, look, I mean it's very hard and dangerous to make predictions, but for the first time since we've been coming here during this war, I overheard Ukrainian soldiers, you know, when I'm talking about, well, I'd like to do this in a couple of months, and they were joking, I don't even know where we're going to be two months from now.

The timeframe of the Trump presidency is clearly in many people's minds, and I think that's accelerating moves on the battlefield by Russia, and I think also a sense of deep concern amongst Ukrainian troops that aid will continue to flow. Most of the figures who appear to be around Trump's future Ukraine policy seem to have publicly said in the past that aid should not continue at the same level it has.

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And indeed even now the Pentagon are trying to get as much as they can to the Ukrainians, but $7 billion worth, Pentagon officials have said, in fact may not be able to be spent before Biden leaves office, simply because the Pentagon don't have enough inventory available to them to send to Ukraine.

So a stark crisis in terms of the support, and on the front lines as well, you know, we were shown maps in the area around Pokrovsk that were being used by Ukrainian commanders, and they were already out of date because the Russians had pushed forwards through what was thought to be lines.

So a simple reason that the Ukrainians don't have enough infantry to put in the Russians' way, and they're relying upon drones to attack Russian forces that are always significantly outnumbering them, appear to have an enormous tolerance for casualties as they move. Through open fields like this often, on tanks, they're hit by drones, get to the tree line, dismount, and then they're hit again by drones, but just keep coming again and again and again. And I think that is the acute problem here for Ukraine.

They don't have the people to field. We've heard U.S. officials suggesting yesterday that perhaps they should lower the recruitment age here to 18 from 25, simply saying they just need to get the bodies out onto the front line. But the moment now is critical, certainly, and it was a very bleak time to spend on the front line to hear soldiers themselves being so openly concerned about the fight ahead.

Christina?

MACFARLANE: All right, Nick Paton Walsh, we appreciate you being up with us, Nick, live there from central Ukraine.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has chosen a special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, retired Army Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, and sources tell CNN that Kellogg already has ideas about what to do to end nearly three years of fighting in Ukraine.

Kellogg's plan would require Ukraine to participate in peace talks with Russia in exchange for continued U.S. military aid. It also calls for a, quote, "formal U.S. policy to seek a ceasefire and negotiated settlement of the Ukraine conflict." And it would put Ukraine's efforts to join NATO on hold.

Trump's future -- National Security Adviser, Mike Waltz, is said to be weighing that proposal along with several others. And this comes, as Nick was saying there, as Russia is gaining momentum on the battlefield against Ukraine.

Fred Pleitgen has more details on that from Moscow.

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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): Vladimir Putin's army advancing on nearly all front lines inside Ukraine, but also as they try to expel Kyiv's troops from the Kursk region in Russia.

We fought for this area for almost three months, this Russian Marine says. Thanks to the assault groups of the 810th Brigade, we knocked out these Ukrainian servicemen.

Moscow emboldened, now flat out telling the Biden administration, face it, you lost.

The West should hear all this, rethink it, come to their senses and admit they lost. They failed to achieve the goals of containing Russia's development. They were unable to defeat Russia geopolitically, the Speaker of Russia's Senate says.

Moscow's still fuming after the White House gave Kyiv the go-ahead to use U.S.-supplied longer-distance weapons to strike targets deep inside Russia.

We understand the reaction of the embittered, frustrated Washington regime under the leadership of Biden, which lost the election, which did not receive support for its domestic and foreign policies from its own citizens, she says. We must understand that in agony they are capable of continuing to take the most reckless steps.

The Russians claim they are not the ones escalating, even after striking Ukraine with a new hypersonic multiple warhead ballistic missile, and now publishing these graphics saying that missile could also carry a 900-kiloton nuclear warhead and reach NATO bases in Europe in a few minutes.

On Red Square, people telling us they want de-escalation but support their leadership.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need to defend ourselves, because if America and Europe and other countries will give Ukraine all the weapons and all the resources they have, how can we live there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Of course it's a dangerous time, this man says. But, you know, I won't display a second cheek if I was already slapped on the other. You have to fight for your righteousness and kindness.

Tonight, Putin arriving in Kazakhstan for a two-day visit, also including a major security conference.

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Greeted with full military honors as countries in the region increasingly see Russia growing more influential on the road to a possible victory in Ukraine.

Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Moscow.

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MACFARLANE: Now to two different takes on a phone call between Donald Trump and the Mexican president. On Wednesday, Trump claimed that she, quote, "agreed to stop migration through Mexico and into the U.S., effectively closing our southern border."

President Claudia Sheinbaum had posted online that migrant caravans would no longer arrive at the U.S. border because they're being addressed and assisted in Mexico. In a later post, she firmly denied Trump's claims that the border itself is closing and reiterated Mexico's position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.

Well, the phone call came after Trump threatened to slap a 25% tariff on all products from Mexico and Canada. He said the move was retaliation for the illegal immigrants, drugs and crime flowing into the U.S.

A growing number of Donald Trump's Cabinet picks have been targeted this week by bomb threats and so-called swatting incidents. A source says Trump's choice for Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, is the latest known victim. Others threatened include Pete Hegseth, who Trump tapped for Pentagon Chief, would-be U.N. Ambassador, Elise Stefanik, and former Attorney General hopeful Matt Gaetz.

CNN's Jeff Zeleny has the details.

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JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Some potential members of Donald Trump's new government facing threats in a series of incidents that took place at their homes this week. A spokeswoman for the Trump transition said several potential nominees were targeted in violent, un-American threats, ranging from bomb threats to so-called swatting incidents when police are summoned under the hoax of some type of criminal threat at a particular address. The FBI and local law enforcement officials are investigating.

Now, several top officials were targeted, including Pete Hegseth, Trump's choice for defense secretary. He said Wednesday night his Tennessee home was the target of a pipe bomb threat. Others include John Ratcliffe, who's tapped to lead the CIA, Elise Stefanik, selected for U.N. Ambassador, and Lee Zeldin, chosen to lead the Environmental Protection Agency.

Now, the FBI said it takes all potential threats seriously, but one law enforcement official who's familiar with these incidents and investigations told CNN these types of swatting calls are quite common and often target those people who are in the news at any given time.

When President Biden was briefed on these threats, a White House spokesman said the president and the administration condemns all threats of political violence.

It's unclear if all these incidents were linked and how credible these threats actually were, but the timing suggests some type of coordination heading into the Thanksgiving holiday.

Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Washington.

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MACFARLANE: Tens of millions of Americans will travel by plane, train, or automobile this Thanksgiving holiday, and if you're one of those wondering how to stay positive at the airport, we asked some travelers for their tips. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Definitely pick your outfit the night before. That's what I think. Hang up your outfit, know what you want to wear, make sure it's comfortable, buy some new shoes, so that it's like you're excited about it, so that you wake up feeling like, ooh, I get to wear my new shoes, a new outfit. So when things go wrong, it's like, well, you know, I got a new outfit on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're flying today because, I don't know, like the chaos, I guess? Why are we flying today?

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MACFARLANE: The Federal Aviation Administration is warning there could be slowdowns in air traffic in the Northeast because of a shortage of air traffic controllers. More now from CNN's Marybel Gonzalez.

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MARYBEL GONZALEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Almost 80 million people will travel over Thanksgiving, AAA projects. Add to the already busy holiday a blast of frigid Arctic air affecting much of the country, and potential slowdowns due to air traffic controller shortages.

MICHAEL WHITAKER, FAA ADMINISTRATOR: We are working the traffic, the staffing issue, as quickly as we can. We expected some disruption, which is why we're pushing so many controllers to the pipeline.

GONZALEZ: If your flight is delayed or canceled, using credit card points may get you out of a bind. BRIAN KELLY, FOUNDER, THE POINTS GUY: Pull out your points, book yourself on another carrier. Even if you don't end up needing to use that flight, you can cancel and get all of your points back for free.

GONZALEZ: Brian Kelly from "The Points Guy" suggests also using them for future holiday travel, especially as prices can go up.

KELLY: You'd be shocked at how much award availability there is.

GONZALEZ: Some other considerations, if it's your baggage that gets stranded, report the bag at the airport. Consider letting the airline deliver it. Keep receipts of anything you spend through the days without your luggage. If it is lost, check your airline's claims and compensation policy. And during this holiday rush, remember to pack your patience and perhaps some items to keep you busy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel like you should bring, like, a lot of books. Because, like, if you're first traveling and you feel like, oh, it's going to be great, I'm not staying that long, I don't need, like, things to entertain me well, most likely you're going to need something to entertain yourself.

I'm Marybel Gonzalez reporting.

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MACFARLANE: So sweet. Now, in the eastern states, the storm system will bring rain and snow for the Thanksgiving holiday, and winter storm warnings are already in effect from New York State to Maine. By Friday, as the storm moves offshore, northwest winds will bring the coldest air of the season.

CNN's Elisa Raffa has the Thanksgiving forecast.

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ELISA RAFFA, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Happy Thanksgiving. That cold air is starting to move in, and that storm is really starting to flourish. We'll find rain and snow up and down the eastern seaboard today. We're looking at some soggy turkeys for your Thanksgiving and some chilly ones, too, as that cold air starts to come in.

Some major travel problems are possible across New England, where we're looking at several inches of snow as that cold air clashes in with that storm. So you can see where we have rain and snow up in New England. Interior parts of New England could see several inches of snow.

It's rain, mostly along the coast. New York, Philadelphia, looking at some pretty soggy parades. The rain stretches down to the southeast from Charlotte, Atlanta, even down towards the Gulf Coast. Then we'll find the cold air come in, and that's going to pump the lake effect snow machine several feet of snow likely through the holiday weekend. That could mean some problems for travel up in the Great Lakes. So we'll start out Thanksgiving with some travel headaches at the airports for places like D.C. and New York. They continue in New England for places like Boston as we go through the day. And then the headaches could continue through the weekend in the Great Lakes as the snow continues to pump. You could expect delays for places like Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo as the snow just continues to fall.

We've got alerts in effect, warnings for the Thanksgiving snow across New England, and then there's that feet of snow you could see right off of Lakes Erie and Ontario just fueled by the cold air on top of the warm water, and that's what drops all of that snow.

Now, it's not just the Great Lakes that feel the cold. That cold will stretch all the way down into the southeast to some of the coldest temperatures that we've had so far this season.

MACFARLANE: Now still ahead, the Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire enters a second day. Military reinforcements are on the move in Lebanon, and thousands of displaced people are returning home.

Plus, Australia has been pushing to make social media off-limits for anyone under 16, and now the country's lawmakers are one step away from making that happen.

And later, record snowfall in South Korea. It may be nice to look at, but it's already causing problems across the country.

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MACFARLANE: The ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah appears to be holding for a second day. The Lebanese army is ramping up its presence in the south as part of the deal to prevent Hezbollah from regrouping there.

People celebrated as a military convoy arrived in this southern town on Wednesday. Officials say the Lebanese army is boosting its presence to roughly 10,000 troops in the south. And schools, many of which have been turned into makeshift shelters, are expected to reopen on Monday.

Meanwhile, in the capital, displaced people are already returning home to Beirut and its suburbs, which faced intense bombardment during the conflict.

Humanitarian aid is also on the way. Israel is still warning residents it's not yet safe to return as its military is still deployed in the areas and some places remain under evacuation orders. The Lebanese Prime Minister says now the process of healing and rebuilding can begin.

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NAJIB MIKATI, LEBANESE PRIME MINISTER (through translator): It is a new day, concluding one of the most difficult stages of suffering that the Lebanese have experienced in their modern history. Today begins the thousand-mile road to reconstruct what was destroyed and to continue to strengthen the role of the legitimate institutions led by the military, who we place great hopes in to enforce authority over the country.

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MACFARLANE: While the Israel-Hezbollah deal is giving the White House hope, a similar outcome can be achieved in Gaza. The Biden administration is making renewed efforts to reach a Gaza ceasefire and hostage-release deal. CNN's Arlette Saenz has those details.

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ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Biden has made clear he wants to use his final months in office to focus on securing a ceasefire and hostage-release deal in Gaza. But many questions remain for the administration about whether they can actually make this a reality.

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on Wednesday said that the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon could provide a fresh opportunity for those talks in Gaza. Senior administration officials have hoped that that Lebanon ceasefire deal would push Hamas back to the negotiating table. Here is how Sullivan characterized it on CNN.

JAKE SULLIVAN, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: Since the beginning of this conflict, Hezbollah linked its fight against Israel to the fight that Hamas was having with Israel from Gaza. And it said, we won't stop until the war in Gaza ends. That link has now been broken, which means Hamas is isolated. Hamas is now under pressure. And all eyes, not just from the U.S. and Israel, but the rest of the world, are going to turn to Hamas. And so there is now newfound opportunity and possibility to drive forward a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza.

SAENZ: Sullivan said he wouldn't make any predictions about how and when these hostage talks could come to fruition. But the Middle East coordinator for the White House, Brett McGurk, was in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday talking to various parties about not just the Lebanon ceasefire deal, but also how that deal could potentially shake loose some of the negotiations relating to Gaza.

Now, President Biden has spent the last 14 months trying to secure this hostage release deal, as four Americans are still believed to be held alive by Hamas in Gaza. And in his remarks in the Rose Garden, the President said that he does believe that peace is possible, not just in Gaza, but also efforts to potentially normalize relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel, two things that could be really major legacy-defining moments for President Biden if he is able to accomplish that before he leaves office.

Arlette Saenz, CNN, traveling with the President in Nantucket, Massachusetts.

(END VIDEOTAPE) MACFARLANE: CNN's Nada Bashir is joining us here to discuss. And on the subject of a ceasefire in Gaza, we did hear from a Hamas representative yesterday indicating there would be interest in coming to the table to discuss a potential truce. But what we haven't seen for many months is the same from Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition government. How likely is it, do you think, now, for this to happen?

NADA BASHIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is certainly being seen as an opportunity to double down on those efforts to secure some sort of ceasefire agreement. Whether that pressure on the Israeli government actually translates to tangible action, whether we see any movement on that front, remains to be seen. There's been a lot of speculation about the Israeli government, of course, waiting for President-elect Donald Trump to be in place, to be inaugurated and in office before any substantial movement is made.

But, of course, there is that pressure from the family members and representatives of hostages still held captive in Gaza to try and seize this opportunity as a window to secure a ceasefire deal in Gaza. But, of course, as you mentioned, we've also heard from Hamas representatives who have said that they see this as an opportunity to work towards and cooperate with mediators to secure a deal. But they, again, have reiterated the terms that they want to see upheld, which are not too dissimilar to the terms that we have been talking about for months now.

A cessation of violence in Gaza, a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, a return of the displaced populations that have been forced to flee their homes and, of course, a comprehensive prisoner-hostage exchange agreement.

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So those terms so far haven't been fully upheld or met or agreed upon and, clearly, there hasn't been much movement from Hamas on where they stand. But, again, we are hearing from U.S. officials, as you heard in Arlette's reporting there, they see this as a window of opportunity. The Biden administration saying that they will continue to push and renew their push for a ceasefire.

Take a listen to this statement from the U.S. envoy, Amos Hochstein.

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AMOS HOCHSTEIN, LEAD U.S. NEGOTIATOR OF ISRAEL-HEZBOLLAH DEAL: Hamas woke up this morning at 4 a.m. and realizing that the idea that they had Hezbollah as supporters of theirs by linking the two conflicts, that as -- that link was broken, that Hezbollah had cut a deal and now they were the only ones and that they were alone and the cavalry wasn't coming from the north. Moreover, Israel is no longer fighting a two-front war, it is fighting a one-front war. And so this is a moment of opportunity.

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BASHIR: Now, of course, the U.S. played a key role in negotiating the ceasefire agreement between Hezbollah and Israel and, of course, has continued to play a key role in the negotiations we've seen or mediating negotiations between Hamas and Israel.

The key issue here is that, of course, Qatar, which was a crucial mediator between Hamas and Israel, has suspended its role as a mediator in regards to those negotiations. They believe that neither side is actually negotiating in good faith.

But what we have seen in response to this agreement between Hezbollah and Israel is actually figures like Turkey stepping up now, saying that they are ready to play a role in any sort of future negotiations. Jordan has reiterated its push for a ceasefire to be agreed. It also sees this as an opportunity.

But, of course, what we're also seeing in the Gaza Strip is a continued isolation of northern Gaza. We're seeing continued airstrikes just overnight, yet more airstrikes on parts of central Gaza targeting the Nuseirat Refugee Camp. It is a hugely desperate situation on the humanitarian front. It is now cold and, of course, wintry in Gaza, so many people are living in these temporary tent shelters without blankets, without actual proper shelter from the rain.

So it's a hugely desperate situation. It has been for some time now. Whether this will be enough to push negotiators to try and mediate a lasting ceasefire, whether that will be successful in any way, given the efforts we've seen in the past, of course, that remains to be seen.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, and just briefly on the truce in Lebanon that seems to be holding on day two, it was gratifying to see scenes of relief and joy there among the Lebanese people, many of whom flooding, returning to the south. We're hearing that the Lebanese army is boosting its presence by roughly 10,000 troops there in the south. How soon do we know when that peacekeeping force, which effectively is what it's going to be, will be in place and how effective it's going to be?

BASHIR: Well, this is a crucial part of the deal that essentially Hezbollah forces will move out from the southern part of Lebanon, that there will be a presence of U.N. peacekeeping forces and also the Lebanese army.

How quickly we see a full deployment of the Lebanese army remains to be seen. They have called on some civilians to delay their return to the south until it is fully secured. But as you mentioned, we've seen families now lining the streets in their cars, huge lines of traffic, families returning to their homes after being displaced, many of them since the beginning of October. More than a million people across Lebanon have been displaced from their homes. So as you mentioned, this has been a huge moment of relief for many to be able to return home.

But of course, for many their homes have been destroyed, their villages are completely unrecognizable in the south. And there is concern that this is still a deeply insecure situation in the south until those peacekeeping forces and Lebanese army forces are fully in place. And of course, it is still early days in the ceasefire. So it remains to be seen whether this will fully be respected and upheld.

MACFARLANE: A chink of light for now. Let's see if we can hope the same for Gaza. Nada, thank you.

Now, the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees says Israel has blocked nearly all recent efforts by the United Nations to deliver aid to northern Gaza, and it warns conditions there for survival are diminishing for the tens of thousands living under constant Israeli military siege. Some aid has gotten into Gaza by air, and as the Jordanian Air Force says, it nearly dropped seven tons of basic food supplies into the enclave on Tuesday.

Now ahead, a new investigation into sexual assault claims against Mohamed Al-Fayed, the late owner of Harrods. And we'll tell you why some U.S. federal government employees are now worried about becoming an online target of the world's richest man. That story and much more straight ahead. Stay with us.

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