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Multiple People Feared Dead In Indian Crowd Crush; Judge Pauses Trump's Federal Aid Freeze Amid Confusion; NY Immigrants Fight Fear Of Trump's Deportations; Chinese Social Media Celebrates Success Of DeepSeek. North Korean Troops Embrace Near-Suicidal Tactics in Ukraine War. Aired 12-12:45a ET
Aired January 29, 2025 - 00:00 ET
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: A sacred day turns deadly at a mega religious gathering in India.
Hello. I'm John Vause.
Ahead here on CNN NEWSROOM.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Suddenly, there was a huge crowd, and we got stuck somehow.
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VAUSE: No official word yet on what triggered one or more stampedes in the crowd of tens of millions of worshipers.
Putting the freeze on Donald Trump's freeze on federal spending.
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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): This is cruelty. This is lawlessness. This is a heist.
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VAUSE: It's on hold for now, but not before creating chaos, confusion and concern across the United States and around the world.
Also, North Korean soldiers fighting to the death for Mother Russia.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Ukraine wants to take captives, but the North Koreans seem to prefer to die.
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VAUSE: And described by Ukrainian troops as brainwashed, near- suicidal, armed with ammunition and forged Russian documents.
ANNOUNCER: Live from Atlanta, this is CNN NEWSROOM with John Vause.
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VAUSE: Right now, emergency crews are rushing to save the victims left badly hurt in a stampede on the busiest day at the world's largest religious gathering.
Organizers believe a crowd crush began after a control barrier broke in the early hours of Wednesday morning in Uttar Pradesh state. Witnesses described the chaotic scenes.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Suddenly, there was a huge crowd and we got stuck somehow, people started pushing aggressively and we fell.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We called for help from the police, but they did not come. We were walking when people started pushing and we fell. People kept stepping on us. I am safe, but my mother has died.
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VAUSE: According to the "Reuters" news agency, as well as local media, witnesses say there were several dead bodies near the riverbanks where the incident occurred.
Over six weeks, about 400 million Hindu devotees are expected to attend the festival. Officials say extra safety measures have been put in place.
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VAUSE: A last-minute court ruling has halted the Trump administration's plan to freeze all federal aid spending. The president's executive order has been challenged by multiple lawsuits after creating widespread confusion and concern over the impact the freeze would have on thousands of government programs, as well as potentially trillions of dollars in government spending.
In the past 24 hours, the White House has tried to clarify the scope of the spending freeze, arguing it's not a blanket pause and programs like Social Security and Medicare will not be affected.
CNN's Kaitlan Collins pressed the White House press secretary on the legality of the president's order.
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KAITLAN COLLINS, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Who advised the president on the legality of telling government agencies that they don't have to spend money that was already appropriated by Congress?
KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Well, as the OMB memo states, this is certainly within the confines of the law. So White House counsel's office believes that this is within the president's power to do it, and therefore he's doing it.
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VAUSE: Well, details now from CNN's Jeff Zeleny, reporting in from the White House.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Another test of presidential authority and power is underway here in just the second week of the new Trump administration. The Trump administration put all federal programs on pause, some $3 trillion in a variety of spending. It really set a chaos and confusion across the Capitol here and indeed throughout the country. But a federal judge ruled on Tuesday night that he would pause that order temporarily to have all parties make their case here.
At issue is federal spending, and the Trump administration is arguing that all federal programs will be under a review. They say they will not affect people individually, not social security, not Medicare, not Medicaid. But that was unclear on Tuesday as confusion set in across the government over which programs were actually paused.
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said this.
LEAVITT: This is not a blanket pause on federal assistance and grant programs from the Trump administration. Individual assistance that includes Social Security benefits, Medicare benefits, food stamps, welfare benefits, assistance that is going directly to individuals will not be impacted by this pause.
ZELENY: But that deadline of Tuesday at 5:00 p.m. passed as the federal judge stepped in and temporarily blocked the pause on these spending programs. So now what is most likely to happen is a constitutional challenge between the White House and indeed the Congress over which entity controls the spending.
The president believes that spending should be in his purview. Congress has already authorized all of these programs. So at issue here, of course, are controversial programs that have already been addressed in the president's executive orders -- immigration, diversity, equity and inclusion, and foreign aid as well.
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So now, next week, there will be a big discussion on can the funding go forward on these bills? But what this actually is yet another example is of the president's executive authority really flexing that executive muscle here.
And Congress is crying foul. Democrats really the first time in this new Trump administration rallying around one another and pushing back. They now believe that they have an issue on which to fight the president. We shall see.
The bottom line. This could go all the way to the Supreme Court. Jeff Zeleny, CNN, the White House.
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VAUSE: To Los Angeles now, and CNN senior -- CNN senior political analyst Ron Brownstein is with us. He's also the senior editor at "The Atlantic".
Good to have you back, Ron.
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Hey, John.
VAUSE: So maybe this is a teachable moment before signing an executive order, pausing almost all federal aid spending. First, find out who will be impacted.
Here's part of the briefing from today at the White House.
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REPORTER: Are you guaranteeing here that no individual now on Medicaid would see a cutoff because of the pause?
LEAVITT: I'll check back on that and get back to you.
REPORTER: How does that uncertainty service the president's voters?
LEAVITT: Well, I think there's only uncertainty in this room amongst the media.
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VAUSE: Well, no, not just the media. A federal judge prevented the spending freeze, ruling the government does not know the full scope of the programs. They will be subject to the pause.
Is it possible that everyone in the entire Trump administration is unaware of the legal issues with this executive order, or is this an attempt to blow through the traditional guardrails and see who is willing to try and stop them?
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah, I think it's clearly the latter. I mean, I think, you know, every day, we have a different front. We have a different fight, we have a different offensive that the Trump White House is undertaking. But they all kind of point back in the same direction to me, which is that the fulcrum of conflict in this administration is going to be between the White House desire to assert executive power and how far the courts will let them go.
I mean, I think it's pretty clear after only a week that there's not going to be meaningful pushback from congressional Republicans who control both chambers on very many, if any, issues. And, you know, in all honesty, even when Democrats control the House in the last two years of the first Trump term, there was only so much they could do.
I think the real issue on so many fronts, we are seeing already is the, you know, what this country looks like after another four years of Donald Trump will largely depend on what John Roberts and five other Republican appointed justices on the Supreme Court are willing to let him get away with it.
VAUSE: You mentioned the congressional Republicans seem to be standing on the sidelines and cheering, at least, in this instance, for this spending freeze.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah.
VAUSE: But is this the type of freeze on government spending that Trump supporters, Trump voters actually voted for?
BROWNSTEIN: Well, you know exactly what Trump -- what Trump voters voted for. We know they voted for lower prices. We know they voted for a more orderly border. I mean, beyond that, I mean, winning presidents always assert that everything they did is validated by the fact that they won. I mean, you know?
But Trump, I don't think, ran on disrupting Medicaid payments. You know, there's -- I mean, and that is the kind of thing that we are seeing today. And by the way, John, this is just a preview for the real fight that's coming this spring, because unlike the last three Republican tax cuts, 2017, 2005, 2000, 2003 and 2001, House Republicans are insisting on tying the extension of the Trump tax cuts to big cuts in federal spending, with Medicaid as the biggest target of all.
A lot of Trump voters depend on Medicaid, especially post the Affordable Care Act when it goes to a lot of working poor families. And so the disruption you saw today and whether, you know, the debate about whether this was going to affect programs that directly provide benefits to individuals, I think is just like a sneak preview of the battle we're going to see this spring when House Republicans try to make major cuts in programs that a lot of Trump voters depend on, and probably did not think they were voting to cut.
VAUSE: Well, foreign aid is one area which many Trump voters believe should be cut. It's a different story altogether to Medicare, has long been a target of outrage, and that outrage is driven by a misunderstanding in many ways of how much is actually spent.
Less than 1 percent of the federal budget goes towards federal foreign aid. It's a small amount with a big impact around the world. And this executive order has brought fears of how any pause would actually impact myriad health initiatives globally, including one program which slows the spread of HIV. Listen to this.
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DR. ATUL GAWANDE, FORMER HEAD OF GLOBAL HEALTH, USAID: Stopping these drugs means that there are 20 million people who live with HIV who -- who don't get access to medication at a critical moment. But then also there are people with TB, there's maternal and child health programs, there are the global programs that we are jointly partnered with other countries in WHO on for eradicating polio, stopping malaria and other critical ventures in health.
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VAUSE: In terms of soft power, foreign aid has a great return on investment. So is the opposition to foreign aid now simply based on ideological grounds?
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah. Well, look, I think Donald Trump's vision of foreign policy is that he really makes no meaningful distinction between what we have traditionally viewed as allies and adversaries. I mean, he views every international relationship solely through a transactional lens, which is essentially how much can he leverage threats of U.S. power, hard power, economic power, soft power to coerce and pressure other countries into doing things that he believes will benefit us?
And in that world, you know, starting with that world view, he tends to view foreign aid as a giveaway, not an investment in both strengthening other societies, making them more friendly toward us, you know, luring them, building them into the web of democracies and all of that. He views it all as basically, you know, uncle sucker being taken advantage of.
And so, like his criticism and much of his base would view it, in fact, that way in this case. But it really does reflect his transactional view of foreign policy, where there is essentially no value in the power of our example, no value in trying to lure or attract nations toward us. It really is all about can you bend others? Can you break others to your will by leveraging your power?
And that's a hard way to approach the world, and one that leaves you with, you know, with, with a very kind of, dog eat dog kind of international system. But it is very much, I think, the world that he envisions.
VAUSE: We've seen a flurry of executive orders over the last week or so, fulfilling campaign promises. There's the challenge to the birthright law in the Constitution. Sweeping pardons which challenge the rule of law to what we're seeing with the freeze on spending. Then, though, there are some promises that an executive order cannot keep.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So when I win, I will immediately bring prices down starting on day one.
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VAUSE: For the record, food prices are predicted to increase 2.2 percent this year. Egg prices are predicted to increase 20.3 percent.
The election, were told, was a triumph over the cost of eggs over democracy. Will it be the cost of living which will determine how the administration is judged?
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah, I think look, I think the evidence of the election was that there were plenty of voters who retained doubts about Trump's character and key elements of his agenda, but voted for him anyway because they thought he would be better on the issues they cared most about, which was primarily inflation, to some extent, the border people who voted on the border, they're getting a lot of action on the border.
People who voted on inflation are not really getting any action so far, and are not even really a lot of even rhetorical attention. If in fact, the price, you know, the cost of living comes more under control, I think many of those same voters will look past a lot as they did in the campaign, a lot of other things they don't like about Trump, but if they don't feel their cost of living is getting more under control, I think many of those other doubts are going to resurface very quickly and very formidably.
You know, there's a big debate in Democratic circles. There's a -- there's a kind of a, you know, a core of strategists who believe that the party really has to avoid getting drawn into fights with Trump on many of the fronts that he is opening and need to focus on this core idea that he ran on solving your problems. But all he's really doing is enriching himself and his rich buddies.
And that is certainly the line of argument I think Democrats want to pursue. They'll have an opportunity in the tax bill, as I said, which will cut programs that middle class and working class families depend on.
But yes, I do believe that at least in 2026, if the cost of living, if voters don't feel that Trump has made progress on the biggest issue they hired him to address, that will not be a good backdrop for Republicans.
VAUSE: Ron, thank you so much. Good to see you. Ron Brownstein there in Los Angeles.
BROWNSTEIN: Thanks for having me.
VAUSE: Well, 969 people have been arrested in immigration raids across the United States. On Tuesday, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officials, or ICE, are releasing a daily list as it follows the Trump administrations orders to detain and deport as many as undocumented immigrants as they can find.
ICE field offices have been ordered to make at least 75 arrest a day a day. A senior White House official tells CNN that figure is expected to be the bare minimum.
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STEPHEN MILLER, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR POLICY: The numbers you cited are a floor, not a ceiling. Very importantly, they're a floor. The goal is to arrest at least that many, but hopefully many more. (END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: Undocumented immigrants in New York are worried as they try to follow the daily routines amid the chaos of deportations.
CNN's Gloria Pazmino spoke to some of them, and here's her report.
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GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fear and uncertainty in New York City's immigrant community as federal law enforcement agencies launch immigration enforcement operations expected to last several days.
SARAHI MARQUEZ, DACA RECIPIENT, RESTAURATEUR: I feel scared, I feel nervous, I feel anxious.
PAZMINO: Sarahi Marquez, a DACA recipient, was brought to the United States by her parents when she was six years old. She has degrees in psychology and biology and helps run the family restaurant here on Staten Island. For the past two weeks, workers have become increasingly panicked.
MARQUEZ: We work long days. We're just trying to make a better place and I wanted to speak out and not let fear intimidate me.
PAZMINO: Since Trump signed his executive orders, Marquez has instructed her workers to memorize her phone number. Some are arranging transportation to and from work to avoid walking on the street.
MARQUEZ: It feels like we're hunted down. And I say to myself what more can I do to prove myself?
TOM HOMAN, WHITE HOUSE BORDER CZAR: We're sending a message. It's not OK to be in this country illegally. It is not OK to enter this country legally. It is a crime and there's going to be consequences.
PAZMINO: More than 200 federal law enforcement officers fanned out across the city on Tuesday. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem joined early morning enforcement operations.
Fear is also spreading across the city's migrant shelters. Parents declined to speak on camera, but some told us they've kept their children from school in recent days. Out of fear, ICE could show up at school or that they will be picked up in any operations. Others told us they have no choice.
Hennessy Romero (ph) says she takes her daughter to school so she can go to work. She feels some comfort thanks to her temporary protected status after fleeing Venezuela. But she worries some bad apples will ruin the American dream of many.
It's selfish, she says, of President Trump's directive. We're here to work and provide for our families and the future of our children, she says.
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PAZMINO (on camera): Now, today's ICE operation here in New York City resulted in at least 24 arrests, including the arrest of a well-known Tren de Aragua gang leader wanted for violent offenses here and in Colorado.
Now, many of the migrants I spoke to today told me that they agree people like him should be arrested and deported, but they worry that this administration will not differ between criminals and people trying to make an honest living.
Gloria Pazmino, CNN, New York.
VAUSE: Tech stocks bouncing back after Monday's big sell off, fueled by fears over China's new A.I. model. When we come back, questions growing over DeepSeek's lofty claims as well as censorship, that's coming up.
Also ahead, the Mona Lisa will be relocated as the Louvre Museum gets a makeover. Stay with us.
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VAUSE: U.S. tech stocks have recovered after a major sell off Monday, sparked by initial fears over DeepSeek, China's newly developed A1 app, artificial intelligence app, I should say, A.I.
Chipmaker Nvidia gained nearly 9 percent after losing about $600 billion in market value the day before. DeepSeek shocked the tech world on Monday with its R1 model, which offers similar results to A.I. assistants like ChatGPT.
A number of tech analysts say they want to see more proof that DeepSeek actually does what it says and lives up to the hype. There are also questions about restrictions on the app from the Chinese government.
Here's CNN's Ivan Watson.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Celebration erupts across Chinese social media at the surprise success of Chinese A.I. startup DeepSeek. The launch of DeepSeek's latest A.I. chatbot triggered a selloff in American tech stocks, while the app surged to the top of the Apple App Store, beating out higher profile A.I. competitors like ChatGPT and Google Gemini.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The release of DeepSeek A.I. from a Chinese company should be a wake-up call for our industries that we need to be laser-focused on competing to win.
WATSON: I've just installed DeepSeek on my phone. I'm going to ask it a question. How much did it cost to develop DeepSeek?
As an A.I. assistant, I don't have access to internal company information. For more details about DeepSeek, please visit the official website.
The company claims it cost just $5.6 million to develop this model, a fraction of the investment spent by much bigger American rivals.
DeepSeek's founder is Liang Wenfeng, a 40-year-old CEO who emerged from relative obscurity last week when he was invited to address the second most powerful man in the Chinese government.
Liang studied information and electronic engineering at China's prestigious Zhejiang University. He founded the hedge fund High-Flyer Quant in 2015 aimed at using mathematics and A.I. for quantitative investment.
Less than two years ago he launched the A.I. company DeepSeek, employing young homegrown talent. Liang described DeepSeek as an accidental disruptor in this interview last week, adding, there's a gap of one or two years between Chinese A.I. and the United States, but the real gap is the difference between originality and imitation.
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If this does not change, China will always be a follower.
ACH KASS, FORMER HEAD OF GO-TO-MARKET, OPENAI: The success of open- source models, wherever they come from, in this case China, is great because it actually means that better technology will be available to more people at less -- at lower costs.
WATSON: But it's when you ask DeepSeek about China that you see glaring limitations.
I'm asking DeepSeek, has Chinese leader Xi Jinping ever made a mistake? I am sorry. I cannot answer that question. I am an A.I. assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses.
ISAAC STONE FISH, CEO, STRATEGY RISKS: DeepSeek as the leader in A.I. would be catastrophic, but it would also be incredibly dangerous for free speech and free thought globally.
WATSON: DeepSeek appears to have revolutionized the A.I. space race and opened many unanswered questions about the company and its founder.
Ivan Watson, CNN, Hong Kong.
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VAUSE: CNN has reached out to DeepSeek for comment, but we're yet to hear back. In a moment here, suicidal, well-trained and determined to fight to the death. New insights into the North Korean troops fighting for Mother Russia in Ukraine.
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: According to the Pentagon, 10,000 North Korean troops have been sent to the front lines of Russia's war with Ukraine.
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And according to Ukrainian troops, the North Koreans stand out in many ways, but mostly for near-suicidal tactics on the battlefield and a refusal to be captured alive.
We get this report now from CNN's Nick Paton Walsh. And a warning: There are some graphic images which some viewers may find disturbing.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): These are the first images on the ground of the capture of North Korean troops by Ukraine.
The soldier is injured, can hardly walk, but they spirit him away.
Russian shelling intensifies to prevent capture. A wild prize pulled through their wires here from brutal fighting in Russia's Kursk region against a radicalized, near-suicidal enemy, but one who'd never seen drones in war before.
The special operations forces who fought them told us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
GRAPHIC: They are all young, fresh and hardy. But they're only prepared for the realities of an Eighties war. Despite all attempts to call them to surrender, they continue to fight.
WALSH (voice-over): There's a unique challenge here. Ukraine wants to take captives, but the North Koreans seem to prefer to die.
They shoot one here in caution. In the distressing images that follow, they pull one injured Korean's leg, then realize he has a grenade. He detonates under his chin.
His last words were to scream North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's name, South Korean officials say.
We meet the Ukrainians who show us the faked Russian military papers he was carrying, suggesting he was from Russia's Far East and his military radio codes.
Another paper, handwritten pledges of brainwashed courage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
GRAPHIC: The hammer of death to the unknown and the puppet trash is not far off. We wield the powerful force that makes them tremble in fear. World, watch closely. WALSH: These notes, from a soldier killed, really a snapshot of the
mindset inside the hermit kingdom. Declarations of loyalty, even tactics on how to fight Ukrainian drones, and also the suggestion that their presence here is about helping North Korea prepare for war.
It's a remarkable insight, but also a reminder of how this biggest land war in Europe since the '40s is becoming more global.
WALSH (voice-over): But also a glimpse of the fear they live under, how they inform on each other. Notes from an officer writing a critique of his fellow soldiers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
GRAPHIC: He engaged in an unimaginably disgraceful act by stealing supplies. [Another soldier] failed to uphold the Supreme Commander's dignity and placed his personal interests above all.
WALSH (voice-over): Ukrainians filmed themselves taking DNA samples from the dead, which they say proved these were Korean.
Ukraine says up to a third of the 12,000 here are already dead or injured, and more are coming.
Amur shows us the newest AK-12 rifle and backpack Russia gave the North Koreans. They are overladen with ammo, he says, but sometimes no body armor, or warm clothes, and minimal water.
AMUR, UKRAINIAN SOLDIER: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
GRAPHIC: We have seen cases when fighters from North Korea ran without body armor. They often don't wear helmets, which we find strange, as well. They've very maneuverable. They run and move very quickly. They're hard to catch, especially with a drone.
WALSH (voice-over): This thermal drone video shows that speed of attack. Below are seven Ukrainians in a trench facing 130 North Koreans above, who race at them and then try to flank them. Many died here, but they seem to be learning.
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"BANDIT," BATTALION COMMANDER, UKRAINIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
GRAPHIC: They have a plan of what to do if they are attacked by a drone. It's one person who takes the hit. Two or three people stand on the side and shoot directly.
WALSH (voice-over): Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Sumy, Ukraine.
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VAUSE: We'll take a short break, and we'll be back in just a moment.
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VAUSE: An F-35 Lightning II, the most advanced and expensive U.S. fighter jet ever built, has crashed in Alaska.
Video from the incident Tuesday shows the plane tumbling from the sky and erupting in a fireball as it hits the ground, though a parachute can also be seen.
The Air Force says the pilot is safe, has been taken to Bassett Army Hospital for evaluation, and the cause of the crash remains under investigation.
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The most famous painting in the world, the Mona Lisa, will soon be on show in its own dedicated room at the Louvre Museum in Paris.
According to the Associated Press, the room will be part of a major renovation, costing more than $800 million that will last up to ten years. The project will include a new entrance and new underground rooms.
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EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): The creation of these new rooms in the Louvre should allow us to display the Mona Lisa in a particular space, independently accessible and with its own ticket to access, that will allow for a visit in a different and more peaceful state and display that correspond with what the Mona Lisa deserves.
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VAUSE: I'm John Vause, back at the top of the hour with more CNN NEWSROOM. But first, WORLD SPORT starts after a short break.
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