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Protests In Milwaukee After WI Judge Arrested; Former NM Judge, Wife Arrested, Accused Of Tampering With Evidence; Trump's First 100 Days; Pope Francis Laid To Rest After Vatican Funeral Service; Holocaust Survivor Shares History Of Loss, Sacrifice And Courage. Aired 5-6p ET

Aired April 26, 2025 - 17:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN ANCHOR: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jessica Dean in Washington.

And protests happening right now in Milwaukee after a judge was taken away in handcuffs Friday for allegedly trying to help a defendant avoid being arrested by immigration authorities.

This is the second straight day of protests.

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CROWD: We will not be intimidated. We will not be intimidated.

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DIAMOND: The defendant the judge is accused of helping, an undocumented immigrant is now in ICE custody, and Milwaukee county circuit court Judge Hannah Dugan is facing charges on obstruction and concealing the individual from arrest.

CNN's Whitney Wild explains how this all unfolded.

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WHITNEY WILD, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRESPONDENT: Unsealed court records are providing much more detail about what led up to Judge Dugan's arrest. And according to the FBI, this actually started April 18th, when several federal law enforcement agents arrived at her court because she was set to hear a case involving a man named Eduardo Flores-Ruiz.

According to the FBI, he had already been deported once. They were moving forward with an administrative warrant to bring him into custody on an immigration administrative warrant.

When Judge Dugan learned that federal law enforcement was there to arrest Flores-Ruiz, she became very upset and in fact pulled some of those federal agents aside and with the chief judge got on the phone where as a group, the chief judge insisted that federal law enforcement only take Flores-Ruiz into custody in the public areas of the court, which is something that those federal agents agreed to.

And this is important because the FBI says after that, Judge Dugan went back into the courtroom and as Flores-Ruiz and his attorney were leaving out of the door that would have led them to a public part of the courthouse instead, according to the affidavit, she said something to the effect of, wait, come with me, and led them out the jury door, which would lead to a private area of the courthouse.

That created a significant hurdle for federal law enforcement. They ended up getting into a foot chase with Flores-Ruiz. They eventually did bring him into custody.

But now the FBI is saying that that was an obstruction of justice. And so they took Judge Dugan into custody Friday morning as she appeared in court Friday before noon. She was released.

But while this represents a major escalation by the Trump DOJ, it is not altogether surprising because they have made clear from the outset that they are prepared to bring the full force of the law against anyone, and that includes state and local officials, anyone that they perceive is standing in their way to enforce these national immigration laws.

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DEAN: All right. Whitney Wild, thank you for that reporting.

The Justice Department has also announced criminal charges against a former New Mexico magistrate judge and his wife. They were arrested for allegedly tampering with evidence related to the federal investigation of an undocumented migrant suspected of belonging to a Venezuelan gang. The New Mexico Supreme Court says the former judge can never hold office in the state again.

CNN's Julia Vargas Jones has more for us. What happened here, Julia?

JULIA VARGAS JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Jessica, it all started with a tip back in January that undocumented migrants were living on a judge's property in Las Cruces, New Mexico and in possession of firearms.

That home belonged to the former judge, County Judge Jose Luis Cano and his wife, Nancy Cano. Authorities allege in court documents that one of the people living on the property was Cristian Ortega Lopez, who they say is a member of Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.

In the complaint, there are multiple photos and videos of Ortega Lopez in what appears to be a shooting range holding handguns, assault style rifles and ammunition.

Investigators say that it was actually through these photos and videos that they identified tattoos, clothing and hand gestures commonly associated with Tren de Aragua, saying that they provided strong evidence of his potential connection to the gang. [17:04:51]

JONES: Federal authorities are also claiming that the judge admitted to smashing a cell phone with a hammer, because it could have had photos that would reflect negatively on Ortega Lopez, and that his wife consulted with him over how to delete Facebook posts.

Luis Cano is now charged with tampering with evidence, while his wife Nancy, is charged with conspiracy to tamper with evidence, Jessica. And we've reached out to their attorney for comment.

DEAN: Yes. Have we heard anything from the judge about this?

JONES: Well, they denied -- the judge, Judge Cano denied ever knowing anything about a possible gang affiliation. He wrote in a letter to the court obtained by CNN affiliate station KOAT. And I'll quote here, "Let me be as crystal clear as possible. The very first time I ever heard that the men could possibly have any association with Tren de Aragua was when I was informed of that by the agents on the day of the raid."

We should note, too, as you mentioned, that he is no longer allowed to run for office, but he did resign when the case came to light earlier in March, Jessica.

DEAN: All right. Julia Vargas Jones, thank you so much for that.

And let's get some legal analysis on all of this. Let's bring in CNN senior legal analyst and former federal and state prosecutor Elie Honig.

Elie, it's great to have you here with us.

I want to go back to that Wisconsin case that Whitney Wild was reporting on with the judge there. You have now had time to go through the criminal complaint in that case. What did you find? Do you believe a crime was committed?

ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: I do, Jessica, and I'm not alone, by the way. A federal magistrate judge had to review that complaint, find that there was probable cause of a crime before that arrest warrant issued.

If you strip the politics out of this, if you take the Trump out of it, if you take the immigration controversy out of it, it's a fairly straightforward case.

Here you have the defendant, a judge who took an affirmative step. She doesn't have to necessarily cooperate with the federal agents, but she took an affirmative step when she essentially showed the suspect, the person who was wanted, this jury door, which got him out of the courtroom, which ordinarily would not have been used for that purpose, and that enabled this person to get out on the street and to create a foot chase, which is a dangerous situation.

And beyond that, it's clear if you read the complaint, again assuming that prosecutors can prove the allegations, that the intent here was to stifle, to interfere with the arrest.

So I know there's a lot of politics swirling around this, Jessica, but it's also important to know prosecutors have to think about the other factors. The discretionary factors. Is this overkill? Is this necessary? And I think reasonable minds can disagree on that.

DEAN: Yes. So if you were -- if this case was brought to you, would you prosecute it?

HONIG: It would be a really close call for me. It would be a razor's edge call. Let me tell you what would concern me.

First of all, the judge's conduct here, I do think it was over the line, but it's fairly minimal. I mean, we see obstruction cases where people physically destroy evidence, as in that other case that Julia Vargas Jones was just talking about.

The judge did not here, did not destroy physical evidence, did not intimidate witnesses, did not physically impede or assault one of the arresting officers. So the conduct here is fairly minimal.

I'd also be thinking about is a criminal prosecution necessary here? I've been on both sides of this. I've been a federal and a state prosecutor.

And what you want to do here is communicate, call up the state and say, hey, we're going to be making arrests in your courthouse, which is perfectly lawful. How can we best do this in a way that's safe and orderly? And do we need to go to the step of charging and handcuffing the judge.

So I think its defensible that they've done it. But I do think that reasonable prosecutors could have come out on the no side of bringing a charge here.

DEAN: And I want to listen to what the Attorney General Pam Bondi said about this. Here's what she said.

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PAM BONDI, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: They're deranged is all I can think of. I cannot believe -- I think some of these judges think they are beyond and above the law, and they are not.

And we're sending a very strong message today. If you are harboring a fugitive, we don't care who you are. If you are helping hide one, if you are giving a TDA member guns, anyone who is illegally in this country, we will come after you and we will prosecute you.

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DEAN: Elie, look, she's being very clear there. She says we're sending a message. And a lot of people say this is about making an example out of somebody. Do you think that's right?

HONIG: Well, so DOJ will issue public statements sometimes upon an arrest. We've all seen those press releases where U.S. attorneys stand behind a podium and announce what was done.

But let me tell you two things that I think are unusual here and I think unacceptable here. One, for the attorney general of the United States to go on a favored cable news station, a partisan cable news station, to make this announcement, I think, undermines the independence and integrity of this case.

And the thing that the attorney general there that I said, that she said that I think is over the line is she said these judges -- meaning this defendant -- are deranged. That is completely inappropriate.

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HONIG: And watch for the defendant when the judge, when she gets her day in court to say that that public comment calling me a criminal defendant who now faces the possibility of imprisonment, calling a person in that situation "deranged" publicly is prejudicial. Watch for the judge to ask for this case to be dismissed on that basis.

DEAN: I also want to ask you about the photo that the FBI director Kash Patel posted, then deleted, showing the judge's perp walk. What's again, just taking the politics out of it, going to the policy, going to the rules, is there any sort of DOJ policy or rule around publicly publishing something like this, posting something like this?

HONIG: So first of all, I don't know what's going on with the FBI director's X account because this is now the second time in this case he's posted something. He posted a written announcement before and then deleted it.

So first of all, the federal government DOJ years ago has agreed not to do these perp walks where you sort of publicly parade around a defendant in handcuffs for the cameras, because the exact same reason I mentioned before, its prejudicial. It could taint a jury pool.

And beyond that, it's been long standing personnel policy within DOJ that you can't post photos of your defendant, especially in a celebratory manner.

Now, who's enforcing those rules? Now its DOJ, it's Pam Bondi. It's Kash Patel. So I don't expect him to face any consequences. But truthfully, he should. This is completely inappropriate conduct.

DEAN: I do -- before I let you go, I want to ask you about another case. This is another deportation case that's been getting a lot of attention. This is the one that involves a two-year-old, an American citizen who was deported to Honduras with her mother.

The family has filed an emergency petition to have the child released, but court documents filed by the federal government say the mother requested that her two-year-old go with her. What is your take on this case?

HONIG: Well, this is a bizarre and tragic case, and the twist here is the child, the two-year-old is a U.S. citizen because she was born here even though the parents are not citizens. And the problem here, the judge, by the way, is a Trump appointee who

is (INAUDIBLE) with the way this has played out. He has scheduled a hearing in mid-May, May 16th.

The problem is this two-year-old, a U.S. citizen is just gone, and there was never any due process. Now the judge says, ok, DOJ, you tell me the mother wanted it that way, fine. But the judge wrote, how do I know that? We've never had a court hearing. Nobody's ever said that to me on the record.

So, Jess, once again, this gets back to really the fundamental issue in a lot of these deportation cases, which is it's not that hard to deport people who are here unlawfully, but they are entitled to some due process. And even this Trump appointed judge seems to be insisting on that.

DEAN: All right. Elie Honig, as always, thank you so much. We appreciate it.

HONIG: Thanks, Jess.

DEAN: Still ahead, President Trump's first 100 days come to an end this week, we're going to take a look at how his administration has pushed the boundaries of executive power to drastically reshape the government and America's role in the world and what could be next.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Starting tomorrow, I will act with historic speed and strength and fix every single crisis facing our country.

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DEAN: That was Donald Trump back in January, just one day before he officially returned to the White House for his second term.

Next week, the president will celebrate his first 100 days in office. Since his return to Washington, President Trump has pushed through a number of policy changes, all through an unprecedented use of executive orders, from cutting regulations to laying off thousands of federal workers, even dismantling federal agencies.

The Trump administration has proven to be a major disrupter in Washington and around the world.

Joining us now national reporter for "The Washington Post" Toluse Olorunnipa and CNN political analyst and Washington bureau chief for "The Boston Globe" Jackie Kucinich. Good to have both of you here on this Saturday. Toluse, let's start first with you. As I just noted, we are just a few

days away from that 100-day mark. The press secretary Karoline Leavitt saying the president is going to celebrate with a rally in Michigan on Tuesday.

What might that look like, do you think so far this is all going according to plan, as they hoped it would.

TOLUSE OLORUNNIPA, NATIONAL REPORTER, "WASHINGTON POST": Well, as far as the rally goes, I expect President Trump to do the same thing that he's done at his previous rally which is declare victory, talk about all the great things that he's done and use a lot of superfluous language and hyperbole to talk about how great things are going in the first 100 days of his term.

Now when it comes to reality, he has been, you know, accurate in saying that he was going to move fast. We can definitely say that he has moved fast and done a lot of action in the first 100 days.

But in terms of fixing all the crises that he talked about, I think the polling shows that the American people do not view it that way. They view that he has created crises that -- and a lot of the things he said he was going to do in terms of bringing down costs and making the economy more stable and strengthening America's role in the world, those things are incomplete at best.

And a lot of voters believe that he's made things worse, especially when it comes to the tariffs and the uncertainty -- uncertainty within the economy, the stock market lower than it was 100 days ago.

I think those are the kinds of things that he's not going to be talking about at the rally but Americans and voters, according to the polling that we've seen most recently, they are talking about and they are worried about.

[17:19:50] OLORUNNIPA: Even though Donald Trump has done a lot in his first 100 days in terms of fixing crises, he's not getting the marks from the voters to indicate that he is actually fixing crises.

But I think when it comes to his rally, he's going to be talking about all the great things that he sees from his vantage point and not necessarily addressing the issues from the war in Ukraine to the economy to immigration that people are worried about the actions that he's taken and concerned about how he's, in some cases, mishandled some of those issues.

DEAN: And Jackie, do you think -- do you think this is going as according to plan? And do you think that the White House and the president and those may be two separate things -- his advisors and then him, how he sees things -- understand that what we're starting to see bear out in some of this polling that Americans are getting concerned, anxious, are not approving of the direction of how he's handling the economy, which is always a top issue for him.

JACKIE KUCINICH, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I don't know how much of a plan there really was, particularly when you're talking about tariffs. Tariffs have been something that we've really seen go -- be quite the roller coaster ride both on the stock market but also you're hearing from small businesses, from large businesses not being able to plan ahead because there's been so much two steps forward, one step back with these tariffs.

And we've heard from farmers who say they don't know if they can plant their plants -- their crops because of the uncertainty that has been created purely by this president, not because of -- and not because of anything else, not because of something happened globally. It's really been because of these White House actions.

Now, when it comes to DOGE, perhaps that that was more of a plan there. However, the unintended consequences that we've seen reverberate -- excuse me, reverberate out from some of these decisions do in terms of like of their effect on the economy, et cetera, it has been a surprise which is why you haven't seen a lot of solid things happen.

They've had to rehire people back and then put them on leave. And it really has been its kind of overused at this point, but it's been pretty chaotic. And I -- I'm not sure that it is according to plan as you said.

DEAN: Yes. And Toluse, just zooming out for a second, this president has used executive power in a way we've really haven't seen before. He has used so -- he has done -- so much of what they have accomplished or moved forward on has been done through executive power.

What do you think about all of that? And do you think we will just continue to see them really trying to push the boundaries of what a president has the power to do?

OLORUNNIPA: Yes. To the extent that there was a plan going into the Trump -- the second Trump administration, it was to really rely on executive power and not to try to pass a bunch of bills to be able to say, these are all the laws that I've signed in my first 100 days in office.

They haven't signed very many laws because Congress has not been doing much of the activity. Instead, it's been happening with President Trump signing executive orders, making new policy from the Oval Office, and putting pressure on both allies and foes within global and domestic sphere's to try to work his will just by force of his executive power.

And so that has been the plan. He has definitely made a lot of changes. The tariffs are one area where he has a lot of executive leeway. But it hasn't necessarily gone according to plan.

In some cases, various institutions, whether its law firms, law firms or universities, have stood up to him. Some -- in some cases they have settled with him, but in many cases they have stood up to him. We've seen the courts step in and say, actually, you don't have the power to do this and so as much as you want to be able to sit at the Oval Office, at the Resolute Desk and sign an executive order, this is not a power that Congress has given you. You are stopped and blocked from doing these things.

And so in many of the things that he's wanted to do, he's been able to get the headline on the first day, sign the executive order. But days later or weeks later, he's either run into bureaucratic obstacles or run into the federal judiciary with courts telling you -- telling him that you can't do this.

And so many of the things he's wanted to do, he has not been able to do. And to the extent that there was a plan to use executive action, it's sort of a live by the executive order, die by the executive order approach, in which you have a certain amount of power.

But if you don't have Congress passing a law, you're liable to getting your executive orders blocked by the courts or even overturned by the next president.

And so it is a risky strategy, but it seems to be the strategy that he has embarked in these first 100 days.

DEAN: Jackie, I do want to get your thoughts, staying with the tariffs for a second, we heard from the former Republican Senate leader, Mitch McConnell, talking about the trade war earlier this week when he was meeting with business leaders in Kentucky.

We don't often hear from him, and I thought it was really notable. I just want to play a quick clip.

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SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): I think it's important for everyone to understand that a trade war is ultimately paid for by taxpayers, by regular voters. It's a tax increase for everybody. For everybody -- that's where the cost will end up being shut (ph).

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DEAN: It was almost like he said, the emperor has no clothes. Like he's the one that -- he is saying what Democrats, what economists, what a lot of people have been saying, which is, look, these tariffs are ultimately going to come down on the American people.

It's something that a lot of Republicans, while they might say it privately, have been hesitant or kind of tried to walk around when they're talking publicly. What did you make of him saying it -- saying it in Kentucky. Just kind of the whole of that.

KUCINICH: I don't think Mitch McConnell has a whole lot to lose at this point. I mean he's really been -- I mean, he's someone who really has been kind of doing what he wants since he decided not to, that he wasn't going to pursue another team (ph).

But you're absolutely right. He is saying the quiet part in Republican circles out loud. And it is echoing what you're hearing from every sector of the economy and -- but you're even hearing it from the White House. There, you heard President Trump say that there's going to be some pain and that everything's going to be fine. It's just that second part that is that -- there's a lot of disagreement on at this point.

DEAN: All right. More to come as we approach these first 100 days. Toluse and Jackie -- our thanks to both of you on a Saturday night. Thanks for joining us.

KUCINICH: Thanks.

DEAN: Still ahead, millions around the world, including more than 250,000 mourners in the Vatican City, saying their final goodbye to Pope Francis.

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DEAN: Today, millions of Catholics around the world saying their final goodbyes to Pope Francis and CNN's Clarissa Ward has more now from Rome.

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CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The bells echoed through Vatican City. A final call to grieve as Pope Francis was laid to rest. Under a spotless sky, hundreds of thousands of mourners gathered in Saint Peter's Square to say goodbye. From all corners of the world, presidents, priests, pilgrims and the public. The Pope chose to be buried in a simple wooden coffin, a testament to the humble life Francis led.

CARDINAL GIOVANNI BATTISTA RE, DEAN, COLLEGE OF CARDINALS (through translator): Despite his frailty and suffering towards the end, Pope Francis chose to follow this path of self-giving until the last day of his earthly life.

WARD: In his homily, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re paid tribute to Francis's extraordinary legacy.

RE (through translator): He was a Pope amongst the people with an open heart towards everyone. He was also a Pope attentive to the signs of the times.

WARD: The Vatican says more than 250,000 people packed the square.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want to show our love for our Pope, Pope Francis. This is the only way that we can show to him our love and our prayer.

WARD: Some remembered his words. Others how he made them feel.

LARA, RESIDENT FROM MALTA: He was not afraid to speak. And, according to me, in my opinion, he was always ready to give a voice to the voiceless.

WARD: All now feel the weight of his absence.

Carried through the hallowed halls of Saint Peter's Basilica, Pope Francis's coffin was prepared for its last journey, a historic one, through the city he served, and he left one final surprise. His coffin transported not in a hearse, but in his famous Popemobile.

As the convoy crossed through Rome, some 150,000 mourners lined the streets, all hoping to catch a final glimpse of a Pope they revered. In another break from centuries of tradition, his coffin was laid to rest in the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore. Awaiting him on the steps a group of marginalized, invited specifically by the Pope to be among the last to say goodbye. He was then buried in a private ceremony.

His papacy is now over, but it has left behind a mark that will not fade.

Clarissa Ward, CNN, Rome.

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DEAN: Clarissa, thank you.

Still ahead, CNN's own Elie Honig talks to a holocaust survivor and finds out the two of them have more in common than just their names.

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DR. ELIE HONIG, HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR: My grandson called me up and said, do you know Elie Honig? I said, I heard the name, but I have no idea who he is. Why not try to contact you? And we've been talking ever since.

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DEAN: Holocaust Remembrance Day was this week, and people around the world took a moment to honor the lives that were lost.

CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig shares the incredible story of an 82-year-old holocaust survivor who also happens to share his name.

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ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: At this point, you are declared a fugitive.

DR. HONIG: I'm declared a fugitive.

E. HONIG: A fugitive from who exactly?

DR. HONIG: From the Germans that occupied.

E. HONIG (voice-over): At just 20 days old in November of 1942, Elie Honig was a fugitive from the Nazis, along with his mother and two sisters.

Why would the Nazis have been so possessed with finding a woman and her three children?

DR. HONIG: Because every single person was supposed to be annihilated.

E. HONIG (voice-over): I have lived my whole life thinking I was the only Elie Honig. And then I met Dr. Elie Honig, an 82-year-old Holocaust survivor.

DR. HONIG: Well, my grandson called me up and said, do you know an Elie Honig?

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I said, I heard the name, but I have no idea who he is. Why not try to contact you? And we have been talking ever since.

E. HONIG: Dr. Honig initially thought we might be related. We aren't, but we bonded over a shared connection to the Holocaust. I was named after my grandfather. His Hebrew name was Eliezer Honig, a Nazi concentration camp survivor and a man I never met. Dr. Honig was born in Nazi-occupied France during the Holocaust. Most of his family were murdered by the Nazis, including his father.

How many of your family members ended up at Auschwitz?

DR. HONIG: Ten, and nine perished there.

E. HONIG (voice-over): Honig was already being hunted by the Nazis before he was born, but he, his sisters, and his mother lived because one woman made it her mission to help them survive.

DR. HONIG: She swore to herself that she would do whatever she could to save us, and she enlisted her entire family.

E. HONIG: Madeleine Counord was a Christian woman who taught kindergarten to Dr. Honig's older sisters. Shortly after he was born, Counord directed her 12-year-old niece to sneak Honig and his mother out of the hospital and into hiding.

DR. HONIG: I was carried in a bag, literally in a bag. I was 20 days old, whatever, a newborn practically. They placed me in a house where there was another newborn, so that if there's any crying, there wouldn't be any suspicion. And then they took me from there to Angers, and I was in an orphanage run by Dr. Gigon (PH). I don't know where. I don't have more information. I wish I did, but I don't know.

E. HONIG: In order to protect him, Honig was given a French alias, Michel. His mother and sisters were hidden in different locations from him, so the entire family was separated for the duration of the war.

How long a period of time did this network of your French Christian neighbors protect you as a newborn?

DR. HONIG: I would say 19 months.

E. HONIG: If any of the French Christian neighbors who helped you and your family survive had been caught harboring you, helping you, by the Nazis, what would have happened to them?

DR. HONIG: They would have been brought to concentration camp. They wouldn't have survived. I think of the bravery of all of them. And I asked myself many times over the years, what would I have done had I been in their place? I don't have an answer. I don't know what I would have done. I just think to myself, I hope I would have done an honorable thing, but I cannot.

E. HONIG (voice-over): Because of their bravery, Dr. Honig survived and went on to lead a beautiful life, becoming a celebrated physics professor. He also married, had four children, and now he has five grandchildren.

Is there anything that you hope future generations would take from your story or from the story of the people who saved you?

DR. HONIG: I would like them to recognize how difficult it is, but how important it is to rise above a crowd, to do what's right, to do what you know in your heart is right, even though it is difficult.

How do you act honorably? How do you pass that down, so that you can look yourself in the mirror and said, I did the right thing?

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DEAN: That's really special and powerful. And Elie is back with us now.

It's so important that we hear these stories that they are preserved and shared. Walk us through what it was like to sit with Dr. Honig and to hear his story, which it is amazing. He lived through that and he is still living with us today.

E. HONIG: He's with us today, 82 years later. Jess, it's been a gift. I can't think of any other way to say it. You know, I have this unusual name. And honestly, when I was a kid, there were times when I didn't love it. I would think, geez, why couldn't I have just been named Mike Jones or something like that? But I came to value and cherish it as I got older. I love having the name now, and suddenly when I'm 50 years old, I learn there's another one. He's the original. I was the latecomer on it.

And we had that immediate bond with our names. And what a life this man has led. He has this large, warm, loving family. I got to meet his children, his grandchildren. He was a teacher on our social media posts about this. I've seen dozens of posts from people saying he was my physics professor. We love him so he has touched so many lives. But I think it's also important, Jessica, to remember the horrors that he and his family went through. His father was murdered by the Nazis before he was born. They murdered

10 of his family members. He was declared a fugitive by the Nazis when he was 20 days old. He survived because of a miracle, and he has made the absolute most of his life.

DEAN: It is so inspirational and incredible to hear him describe all of that and that point that I think he really wants, it seems like, to drive home, which is there were some people that showed such tremendous courage in the face of real evil.

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E. HONIG: Yes. Dr. Honig wants to stress that point above all others. He was saved because of not just the kindness and generosity, but the bravery and the courage of his French Christian neighbors. There were a lot of bystanders during the Holocaust who either aided and abetted the Nazis or did nothing, but this small group of extraordinarily brave French Christians, almost all women, decided we are going to save this woman and her young children, and I'll always keep with me the image that Dr. Honig talked about there of the 12 year old niece of Madeleine Counord, who was sent in the dead of night to get Dr. Honig's mother, who was wearing a disguise, and Dr. Honig, who was a few days old, she put him in a bag, walked the two of them at night through Nazi occupied territory to get them each to their respective safe houses.

So I think we need to remember that bravery, honor that bravery, and try to live up to the remarkable generosity and spirit that those people showed. And here we are. Like I said, 82 years later, it's a miracle. He's alive and he's lived a beautiful life that certainly has touched me.

DEAN: Yes. And then to see such greatness in humanity in the face of some of the worst of humanity, so striking.

Elie Honig, and Dr. Elie Honig, our thanks to both of you. We thank you.

E. HONIG: Thank you, Jess.

DEAN: We'll be right back.

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DEAN: Heavy hail and rain are causing flooding in Lawton, Oklahoma, today. According to the National Weather Service, the area received between four to seven inches of rain this morning and remains under a flood watch. The Lawton Fire Department posting on social media saying there were multiple cars in flooded roadways this morning, also warning drivers to stay off the roads and avoid low-lying areas as they rescued people trapped in that flooding.

It took until the third and final day of the NFL draft, but now University of Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders finally knows where he'll get a shot at the pros.

The Cleveland Browns choosing the 2024 big 10 -- big 12, rather, offensive player of the year in the fifth round, a shockingly long wait for him.

CNN's Patrick Snell is joining us now.

Patrick, what took so long?

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Hi, Jessica. Yes, I think fair to say, we were all very surprised by that. But, you know, nothing is ever certain. Nothing is ever totally certain in the NFL draft. But for Shedeur Sanders, the wait is finally over. He was finally selected as the 144th pick by the Cleveland Browns. And that incredible moment, that wonderful video, the moment he found out Sanders is the Browns' second quarterback pick in this draft after getting Dillon Gabriel in the third round.

And you know, Jessica, it's the first time since 1976 now that the Browns have drafted multiple quarterbacks in a single draft. And just for further context, Shedeur Sanders is the son of the pro football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders. Sanders Junior was widely expected to be picked early, but it never happened. He slid and kept on sliding all the way to the fifth round, but now the celebrations are in full flow and it will be interesting to see how the Browns adapt and how he adapts as well. So much scrutiny on him.

Cleveland has had quarterback issues over their years, with 40 starters, 40, since 2000. Back to you.

DEAN: Yes, that's a lot, 4-0. I also want to talk about, this is one of the more American things I'm ever going to say, the other football, the rest of the world just calls it football. Hollywood stars Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney's dream continues. They are the co-owners of Wrexham Football Club in Wales. That club has been now promoted for the third straight year. That's something that's never been done before.

SNELL: Incredible. We could say soccer. It's OK, we could say soccer. But, look, it's an amazing story. A third straight promotion results going their way earlier in the day. And that means they had to beat Charlton in front of their home fans. And boy, did they turn on the style. They won by three goals to nil.

You know, when the co-owners took over back in 2021, there was so much to put right. You know, there were financial issues, there was struggling with getting a good squad together. The self-belief was very, very low. But three straight promotions now, Jessica, and they are now starting to dream, daring to dream of possibly getting into the Premier League because they're now just one tier below the Premier League.

And it's that topic the co-owners chose to address. There they are celebrating. Let's hear from them now on the very prospect of getting into the Premier League.

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ROB MCELHENNEY, WREXHAM CO-OWNER: That's for tomorrow to think about. Today is just enjoying the moment.

RYAN REYNOLDS, WREXHAM CO-OWNER: We're allowed to wait until tomorrow?

MCELHENNEY: Well --

REYNOLDS: It felt great.

MCELHENNEY: Yes, I mean, we could probably wait until 12:01.

REYNOLDS: OK. Yes, I could just until 12:01.

MCELHENNEY: Yes. That's right. And then tomorrow we'll talk about.

REYNOLDS: I'll erase the whiteboard I put up at half time.

MCELHENNEY: Yes. It might be, it might get a little pricier from here on now.

REYNOLDS: It was premature.

MCELHENNEY: But we're just going to enjoy the moment.

REYNOLDS: Yes, we are. That's for sure. That is for sure.

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SNELL: And they should. They've earned this moment and it's very special for their fans. And who knows. Don't ever discard them because the Premier League could well be within their grasp. It will be tough to achieve four straight promotions. But look, they've done three, hey, so anything is possible.

Jessica, back to you.

DEAN: Anything is possible. Patrick Snell, thanks so much for that.

Tomorrow night on "THE WHOLE STORY WITH ANDERSON COOPER," CNN anchor Abby Phillip takes a comprehensive look at 100 days of Trump. Here's a preview.

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DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: It's of a historic nature to have the world's richest person and with a billionaire president.

DAVID URBAN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Elon Musk is a multi- billionaire. He doesn't have to be doing this.

BRINKLEY: But proximity to power is very important. Musk has figured out how to be standing next to the chair of the Resolute Desk day after day. TRUMP: He's a successful guy. That's why we want him doing this.

BRINKLEY: Showing up in the middle of the State of the Union.

TRUMP: DOGE, perhaps you've heard of it, perhaps.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At his very first Cabinet meeting.

ELON MUSK, TESLA CEO: I actually just call myself a humble tech support here.

BRINKLEY: How did it occur? I would go back to Butler, Pennsylvania.

ABBY PHILLIP, CNN ANCHOR: Musk endorsed Trump just moments after the assassination attempt.

TRUMP: Take over, Elon.

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DEAN: An all-new episode of "THE WHOLE STORY WITH ANDERSON COOPER," one whole hour, one whole story airs tomorrow night at 8:00 Eastern and Pacific only here on CNN.

And still ahead, we're going to be joined by former President Obama's White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel. We're going to talk about how the Trump administration has pushed the boundaries of executive power in its first 100 days.

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