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U.S. Offers $1000 Stipend To Encourage Migrants To Self-Deport; Israel To Launch "Gideon's Chariots" Gaza Offensive If No Deal by End of Trump Visit; North Korea Hails The Heroic Feats Of Its Troops Fighting For Russia; Trump Orders The Reopening Of Alcatraz Prison; Cardinals Are Now In Rome Ahead Of Conclave; Tensions High Between Pakistan And India Two Weeks After Killings; Mining In Northern Peru Suspended After 13 Workers Killed; Trump Proposes 100 Percent Tariff On Foreign-Made Films; Met Gala 2025: Stars & Designers Embody Black Dandyism. Aired 1-2a ET

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M.J. LEE, CNN HOST: Hello and welcome to CNN Newsroom. I'm MJ Lee in Washington, DC. Ahead for us this hour, enticing undocumented immigrants to leave the US. President Trump is offering cash and travel assistance to those who return to their home countries voluntarily. We'll speak with an attorney who's skeptical about the administration's self-deportation plan.

Israel plans to conquer Gaza, it says in a new war operation. But this time it won't leave the enclave.

And lights, camera, tariffs. Donald Trump's proposed movie tax is shaking up the film industry.

We begin with multiple explosions that have erupted in Port Sudan on the Red Sea. These images coming into CNN shows fires and huge plumes of heavy black smoke billowing into the sky. According to Reuters, there's no word yet on the cause of the blast.

This is happening near Sudan's main maritime port where hundreds of thousands of displaced people have sought refuge from their country's civil war in what's become the world's worst humanitarian crisis. Aid agencies and army aligned government ministries have set up their headquarters in the coast and until recently, it had been relatively untouched by attacks. We'll bring you more details as they become available.

Now to the Middle east where the Houthi-run Health Ministry in Yemen reports at least one person has been killed and 35 others injured in Israeli airstrikes. This is the first time in months that Israel has attacked Houthi targets in Yemen. It comes one day after a Houthi launched ballistic missile was not intercepted and landed in the vicinity of Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport.

And meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he will have the population of Gaza move to the southern part of the territory for their own safety. It's part of an expanded military operation in Gaza approved by the Israeli security cabinet on Sunday called Gideon's Chariots.

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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): One thing will be clear, there will be no in and out. We'll call it reserves to come, whole territory. We're not going to enter and then exit the area only to carry out raids afterwards. That's not the plan. The intention is the opposite.

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LEE: Russian officials say a Ukrainian drone strike on Moscow has forced several of the city's airports to close. So far, Moscow's mayor says there have been no reports of serious damages or casualties. However, emergency services are working to clear the debris from 19 destroyed drones.

The attack comes just days before Russia's 80th annual Victory Day commemorations, which Chinese President Xi Jinping is currently scheduled to attend.

As the U.S. attempts to broker a peace deal that would end the conflict in Ukraine, Russia is deepening its military alliance with North Korea. Pyongyang recently confirmed that their soldiers have been aiding the Kremlin, specifically in their fight to regain control of Russia's Kursk region. CNN's Will Ripley has the details.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was the worst kept secret of the war in Ukraine. For months, North Korea and Russia denied teaming up on the battlefield, even as the evidence and casualties began piling up.

Ukraine said they had a hard time capturing North Korean soldiers alive, claiming they blew off their own faces with grenades, choosing death over the risk of exposing the mission. Then, seemingly out of the blue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Comrade Kim Jong Un decided on our armed forces participation in the war and informed the Russian side.

RIPLEY (voice-over): North Korean troops in Kursk honored on state TV praised as selfless warriors shedding blood to defend a brother nation. Kim Jong Un invoking a rarely cited mutual defense clause, saying Russian territory was under attack and North Korea answered the call.

RIPLEY: What other reasons would there be for both of them to reveal this essentially at the same time?

SHREYAS REDDY, LEAD CORRESPONDENT, KOREA RISK GROUP: Right now, the Trump factor is perhaps paramount. They've got a strong alliance. They have some leverage.

RIPLEY (voice-over): That leverage may have come at a cost.

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Ever since Kim and Russian President Vladimir Putin signed their sweeping military pact in Pyongyang, U.S. and South Korean officials say at least 12,000 North Korean troops have been rotated into Russia. South Korea's national intelligence service estimates 5,000 North Korean casualties, including at least 600 deaths.

RIPLEY: Even in a country with such restrictions on information, North Korea wouldn't be able to hide that many casualties from its people.

REDDY: Definitely not. And that may have been a big factor in why they had to come clean.

RIPLEY (voice-over): CNN obtained handwritten battlefield notes from a dead North Korean soldier, revealing early days on the ground filled with loyalty, but not clarity. Diaries from two captured North Korean soldiers revealed many didn't know where they were or why they were fighting. The North Koreans even carried notes about using soldiers as bait in a drone attack.

But Ukraine says the North Koreans are learning fast in real mastering drone warfare, artillery coordination, 21st century battlefield tactics more valuable and deadly than decades of military drills. There's even talk of North Korean soldiers marching in Russia's Victory Day parade next week. Whether or not Kim shows up, the message to Trump is clear. North Korea is no longer on the sidelines. Will Ripley, CNN, Taipei.

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LEE: U.S. President Donald Trump is set to visit Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates next week. On Monday, he spoke on the phone with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, discussing the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. President Trump says they traded invitations to visit each other's country. He posted on social media that he has an excellent relationship with his Turkish counterpart and he is looking forward to working together to bring peace between Russia and Ukraine.

The Trump administration is unveiling its latest plan for mass deportations, promising cash to those who leave on their own. On Monday, the Homeland Security Department announced it will make payments of $1,000 as well as travel assistance to undocumented migrants who voluntarily return to their country of origin. U.S. officials are claiming that one person has already taken advantage of that program and that other migrants have booked tickets.

President Trump says those who don't take the offer and who are detained and deported will, quote, never get a path to come back in. But he's promising benefits to those who leave voluntarily.

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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: We're going to get them a beautiful flight back to where they came from, and they have a period of time. And if they make it, we're going to work with them so that maybe someday with a little work, they can come back in if they're good people, if they're the kind of people that we want in our company, industrious people that could love our country.

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LEE: More now from CNN's Priscilla Alvarez in Washington.

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PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Trump administration on Monday announcing a new program, one intended to have undocumented immigrants in the United States self-deport. According to the Department of Homeland Security, this would include a one way airline ticket and also a $1,000 stipend.

According to senior Trump officials, this would still be more cost effective. They say that arresting an individual, detaining them and deporting them can cost the administration around $17,000. And a ticket and a stipend would be less than that. They also teased incentives down the road, saying that it's possible that someone who is undocumented now and leaves voluntarily may have a chance of returning in the future.

Now, immigration attorneys say it's more complicated than that and many cases are unique. There's also the question of travel documents and what would happen for someone who doesn't have one even if they want to return to their home country.

Now, it's also in many ways a concession of how difficult it is to deport undocumented immigrants. That has been true for multiple administrations as the federal government deals with limited resources and personnel. The administration intent on trying to see through President Trump's mass deportation pledge, now offering another way for undocumented immigrants to leave the United States. Priscilla Alvarez, CNN, Washington.

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LEE: All right. Raul Reyes is an attorney and immigration analyst. He joins me now from New York. Raul, it is great to have you. I'd like to start with this new idea from the administration. Basically incentives being offered, including $1,000 for undocumented migrants who choose to voluntarily leave country.

I mean, the idea seems to be if you choose to leave, the U.S. government will help you with flights, maybe give you some cash, and importantly, maybe allow you to eventually come back to the US. Your reaction to all of this?

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RAUL REYES, ATTORNEY: My reaction to this new plan that's sort of trying to incentivize self-deportation is that it's not as simple as it seems. For one thing, Congress has not authorized in any way for expenditures of potentially the amount of money involved here. So, let's say maybe 500,000 people decide to take the government on

this offer, right? That's five times a thousand. That's $500 million. And the government is promising people that they could have a chance to come back legally if they choose to leave voluntarily. But that's really quite deceptive because under existing law right now, if you've been here over a year without authorization, once you return home -- if you return home, you are automatically barred for at least minimum 10 years.

And then this whole program, because it's not a law, it's just some type of program being rolled out by DHS. There's really no guarantees in the sense -- like in the sense of people being able to trust the government that once they go to Mexico, India, or whatever country is their home country around the world, that they will actually get this money. That's asking immigrants to take a huge leap of faith that they would actually see those funds materialize.

LEE: Yes, I mean, you're raising a number of sort of open questions about this idea. One thing I'm curious about, I mean, this is an administration that has made clear that it is not afraid to take tough actions to get illegal immigrants out of the country. So why do you think it is starting to dangle these kinds of incentives rather than just continuing to forcibly remove people?

REYES: Well, my sense is when we look at the numbers that the Trump administration has registered so far for deportations, my sense is that they are just struggling to keep up with the President's promises and pledge to deport record numbers of undocumented people.

But so far, when we look at the stats from DHS and other nonpartisan groups, his deportations have averaged about 10 percent below President Biden's. You know, so for all the talk and tough rhetoric and these unprecedented moves we've seen around the world, like sending people to El Salvador, it remains that this administration has not yet fulfilled their goal of mass deportations or even deporting a million people this year, because if they continue on their current track, they will not meet that goal. And then meanwhile, there's a sense that the public is tiring of this.

We saw CNN polling recently that said that found that 52 percent of Americans think the Trump administration is going too far with deportations. So I feel like there's maybe a political component to this, that the administration is just trying every tool that they can come up with to get more removals from the US.

LEE: And let's just quickly talk about one other topic, Rwanda, and the discussions that the African country is reportedly having with the Trump administration to take in migrants deported from the US. I mean, we obviously don't have all of the details on exactly how this would work, but big picture here, your reaction to this idea and how would this compare to, say, migrants being deported from the U.S. and being sent to El Salvador?

REYES: For me, I see a lot of potential similarities in the sense that if we did come up -- with the U.S. government did come up with some deal to send deportees to Rwanda, we're going to see the same type of issues coming up like we have seen so far with El Salvador, namely the lack of due process, the lack of oversight of review for people who are outside of our borders, and then all sorts of potentials for human rise -- human rights abuse and abuses over there.

And I think the experience of Britain is pretty instructive. A few years back, Great Britain tried explored the idea of exporting sending migrants detainees to Rwanda. They spent about 900 million before the British Supreme Court outlawed it. And for all that, they only succeeded in deporting four people.

So that's the kind of situation, in my view, the U.S. is potentially looking at going forward with these type of arrangements.

LEE: All right, Raul Reyes, thank you so much for that discussion.

REYES: Thank you.

LEE: The head of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons says the agency will pursue all avenues to reopen Alcatraz. This comes after President Trump posted on social media that the former prison should be used to house violent offenders.

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Alcatraz has been out of commission for more than 60 years and is now serving another role in the U.S. government. CNN's Veronica Miracle gives us a tour.

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VERONICA MIRACLE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Alcatraz, one of the nation's most notorious prisons.

MIRACLE: Notorious for being a prison that no one really could escape from. But it's not because it's surrounded by shark infested waters, which it is. It was the distance to land, as well as the cold, frigid waters and the very choppy, turbulent seas that made it nearly impossible to escape.

MIRACLE (voice-over): This site inspiring President Donald Trump to make an ambitious proposal to return some of the nation's most violent offenders to what's known as The Rock.

TRUMP: Nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz.

MIRACLE: It's a historical site. These bars are rusting. The piping in the toilets. I mean, that toilet is falling apart. But there's actually no running water here. None of the pipes are connected.

MIRACLE (voice-over): Alcatraz is a popular San Francisco tourist destination that welcomes about one and a half million visitors every year and annually generates $60 million.

MIRACLE: This is the oldest cell block on the island. It was last used in the 1930s. And all of this is original from when it was built. MIRACLE (voice-over): Once a California federal penitentiary, Alcatraz

closed in 1963 after almost three decades in operation because, according to the Bureau of Prisons, it was too expensive to continue operating. And it was nearly three times more expensive to oper any other federal prison.

Infamous inmates such as Al Capone, Machine Gun Kelly, the Birdman of Alcatraz, and James Whitey Bulger added to the prison's allure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a hostage situation in Alcatraz.

MIRACLE (voice-over): This island prison was the setting for multiple blockbusters, including "The Rock," "Murder in the First," and Clint Eastwood's "Escape from Alcatraz."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I may have found a way out of here. Amen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Me too.

MIRACLE (voice-over): The 1979 movie was based on a true story, a legendary escape attempt from Alcatraz.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The escape triggered the greatest manhunt in San Francisco's history.

MIRACLE (voice-over): But there was no evidence that inmates ever made it off the island alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz, and no one ever will.

MIRACLE (voice-over): Restoring Alcatraz into a working prison would be an enormous undertaking.

MIRACLE: This island is not hooked up to utilities to the city, so there's no running water here. Just to keep it open every day as it stands is very difficult logistically.

MIRACLE (voice-over): But despite questions about the economic feasibility, the Bureau of Prisons moved quickly to respond to the proposal in a statement saying they will vigorously pursue all avenues to support and implement the President's agenda.

The conservancy which oversees Alcatraz, fired back, saying in a statement, there is no law, plan or funding in place, nor a clear path to revise Alcatraz Island's current role and purpose. So for now, the future of the notorious prison remains uncertain.

Veronica Miracle, CNN, Alcatraz.

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LEE: The cardinals are in place and the conclave will begin on Wednesday. Still ahead, we'll tell you about the lengths the Vatican is going to ensure total secrecy during the vote to select a new pope.

Plus, could this dark horse cardinal become the first Italian pope in nearly half a century? Stay with us.

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LEE: All 133 cardinals who will vote to elect a successor to Pope Francis have arrived in Rome ahead of the conclave that starts on Wednesday. That's according to the Vatican. The Conclave begins with a single ballot on the first day, and after that, four ballots will be held per day until a pope is chosen.

Italian state media says mobile phone signals will be deactivated and signal jammers will be used in the Vatican. All cardinals will also have to give up their phones and electronic devices, part of an effort to ensure complete secrecy during the conclave.

This conclave, of course, will be crucial in deciding the future direction of the Catholic Church. During his pontificate, Pope Francis chose cardinals more representative of the worldwide church. Our Jeremy Diamond has more one of them.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the old city of Jerusalem, the faith of Jesus Christ endures. Outnumbered by Jews and Muslims, a small minority of Catholics carry on 2,000 years of religious tradition. And for the last year and a half, they have been led by Jerusalem's first cardinal, Pierbattista Pizzaballa.

The late Pope Francis elevated the 60-year-old Italian to the rank of cardinal one week before the start of the Israel-Hamas war. He is now considered a dark horse candidate for Pope. After the conflict thrust Pizzaballa into the spotlight.

CARDINAL PIERBATTISTA PIZZABALLA, LATIN PATRIARCH OF JERUSALEM: As pastor, you have to denounce what is going on. You cannot remain silent just to say, go and pray. Of course we have to pray, but also you have to say a word, clear word, as much as you can, but without becoming part of the struggle of the fight.

DIAMOND (voice-over): In the first days of the war, Pizzaballa made international headlines when he said he would take the place of any Israeli hostage. Reactions were largely positive, but not everywhere.

PIZZABALLA: That report, not that much. It's why for the Israeli children and not for the Palestinian children? My answer was also for them. I'm ready, no problem. The question was there. I didn't think. I mean, I was very naive at that moment. While we are seeing this message, I am in Gaza.

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DIAMOND (voice-over): Like Pope Francis, Pizzaballa has been an outspoken critic of the war. He has visited Gaza twice since October 7, where a tiny Catholic community struggles to survive. In many ways, the conflict has come to define his time as cardinal, and in frustration, he admits it has even led him to ask God, where are you?

PIZZABALLA: Then I come to myself. I understand the question should be, where is man now? What we've done of our humanity, we cannot consider God guilty of what we are doing.

DIAMOND (voice-over): He bought food aid from Jerusalem's Muslim community, stored it with a Jewish company and brought it into Gaza.

PIZZABALLA: I see in this sea of darkness a lot of lights everywhere, and this is what gives me hope.

DIAMOND (voice-over): In his role as the cardinal in Jerusalem, he has spoken with Israeli leaders and Hamas officials.

PIZZABALLA: In this moment, my impression is that the institutional leaders are paralyzed by their role. The lesson I see here is that faith and power don't go well together. If you want to be free as a religious leader, you have to be independent from any kind of power, economical power, political power, social power, whatever, and we are not there now.

DIAMOND (voice-over): Born in a small village in northern Italy, Pizzaballa has spent most of his life in Jerusalem, at the crossroads of culture and conflict. He says his faith has helped him through the loss and desperation of the war that surrounds him.

PIZZABALLA: Faith is the only thing you can grasp, you can have in order to keep alive with light in your life. But also faith is a way to transcend yourself, to go beyond yourself.

DIAMOND (voice-over): Rome is the heart of the Catholic Church, home to the Vatican and the Pope. But to Pizzaballa, Jerusalem is the heart of Christianity itself.

PIZZABALLA: In Jerusalem, you don't see this power. You see the wound of our division, but at the same time also the call, the desire for unity.

DIAMOND (voice-over): Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Jerusalem.

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LEE: A disputed line of control is separating two nuclear powers as tensions spill over into local communities. CNN goes inside Pakistan controlled Kashmir. That's next.

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LEE: Two weeks after the deadly massacre in Indian-administered Kashmir, tensions between India and Pakistan are reaching dangerous new levels.

Pakistan reportedly carrying out a second missile test on Monday. India ordering new security drills and multiple major airlines have stopped flying over Pakistan.

The U.N. Security General is urging both sides to show restraint, warning, quote, "a military solution is no solution".

CNN's Nic Robertson received rare access to Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and has our report.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: High in the Himalayas, Pakistan's army is taking us deep into disputed Kashmir toward the line of control, the de facto border with India and one of the most militarized conflicts in the world.

Tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors rising since a terror attack killed 26 civilians, mostly Indian almost two weeks ago.

Militaries on both sides readying for possible escalation, as India blamed Pakistan and Pakistan denied responsibility.

It's a war of words. Civilians on both sides of these rugged mountains fear, not for the first time, will be victims of events way beyond their sway. Control of the towering peaks unresolved for 75 years.

Just driving through the mountains here, it's easy to understand why Kashmir is still a disputed area, so hard to fight a decisive war in this rugged terrain.

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ROBERTSON: The other thing you see here is poverty, meager villages clinging to the hillside. People here say the spiking tensions making it harder to eke a living as we're about to find out.

On foot now, the village we're heading to a few hundred feet from the line of control.

And just look over there. You can see how close the front lines are. That's the last Pakistani position there. The Indian army position a few hundred meters away. And those trees -- that's the line of control.

When we arrive, most villagers clustered around one house, some hiding in the dark inside. Children peeking from unglazed windows.

This villager telling us they live in fear now. Elderly children and women are incredibly scared, he says. We want to take our livestock out to pasture, but the Indians are right there in front of us and we're very concerned.

Their fears may be well-founded. This 17-year-old says Indian troops killed his father, Malik Farooq (ph).

"He had gone to the line of control to chase our cattle," he says the Indians shot him and accused him of being a terrorist. "He is not. He is a good man." The day after the massacre in Indian administered Kashmir, the Indian

government announced it had foiled a terror plot, killing two Pakistanis.

Malik's brother denies the allegations, too. Says he was just a herder like me. Believes India wants their land, before breaking down in tears.

"It's ok. It's ok. India's done a great cruelty to us," he says. "If they want me to leave, put a bullet in my head. That's the only way I'll go."

With no end in sight on both sides of the border, civilians as ever, the losers in this decades' old conflict.

Nic Robertson, CNN -- Sergiwa (ph), the line of control in Pakistan- administered Kashmir.

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LEE: And CNN's Vedika Sud is following this live from New Delhi. Vedika, help us understand the perspective and the emotions for the people in India.

VEDIKA SUD, CNN REPORTER: M.J. it would be the same for anyone who's living anywhere in the world where there is a heavily-militarized border.

So it's the same for India. Ever since this brutal massacre of 26 tourists, of which 25 were Indians in Indian-administered Kashmir, communities on both sides of the India-Pakistan border have been living in constant fear.

They fear the worst because tensions have been simmering between the two countries. In one border village on the Indian side, a villager spoke to the media and he said there are just six bunkers for 1,500 residents in his village and they are living in fear because they think tensions could escalate to a point where they will also be impacted physically.

Here's what he had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If war happens there is no way we can escape. Where will we run? There are wires on both the Indian and Pakistani sides, and we're stuck in the middle.

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SUD: Now, ever since the attack, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been a very busy man. He's been holding back-to-back meetings with the heads of the military, the air force, the navy, with top officials in the government and security officials.

India has squarely-blamed Pakistan, as you mentioned, for this brutal attack and that's something Pakistan has denied repeatedly. But what this has led to is a massive escalation between the two countries. Tit for tat measures really diplomatically, strategically and economically.

Also, what's very important to note here is a huge development that's taking place on the Indian side, which is that the Indian government has issued a directive to all the states and the federally administered territories in India, saying that they will have to hold security drills in these states on Wednesday.

This is a very rare move, M.J., and it's never happened really in the past three to four decades that I have been in India at least. So this is a huge move again, coming from India at a time when tensions between the two countries have been simmering.

LEE: You can really see those emotions there.

Vedika Sud in Delhi, thank you so much.

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LEE: The International Court of Justice has dismissed a genocide case against the United Arab Emirates. Sudan has accused the U.A.E. of violating the 1948 Genocide Convention by arming paramilitary forces in the long-suffering Darfur region.

It's an accusation the U.A.E. has repeatedly denied. The U.N.'s top court tossed out the case on Monday, saying it does not have jurisdiction.

The U.A.E. is celebrating the ruling, calling the proceedings utterly baseless. Sudan is embroiled in a two-year-long civil war that has displaced millions of people and put the country on the brink of famine.

Mining in a northern district of Peru is being suspended for 30 days after 13 gold mine workers were kidnapped and killed. The country's president announced the suspension on Monday, as well as plans to set up a military base in the region and a nighttime curfew.

A mining company says the workers' bodies were recovered on Sunday. It claims nearly 40 people in all have recently been killed in the area by criminal gangs running illegal mining operations. A grieving father told reporters he'd been urging his son to find a different line of work.

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ABRAHAM DOMINGUEZ, FATHER OF VICTIM (through translator): I used to tell him son, come back to Toowoomba (ph). I'd tell him he should better leave that. Work on something else.

But he used to say dad, soon. Because he had goals. He thought about going abroad. Then this happened and everything was truncated.

For us as parents it is such a great pain that we feel. Our children, our blood, I thought maybe one day he would bury me, but instead I'm going to bury my son.

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LEE: And the government says the 30-day mining pause could be extended.

And just ahead, the reaction from filmmakers and Hollywood insiders after President Trump proposed a 100 percent tariff on all foreign- made films.

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LEE: Filmmakers and industry insiders say they are shocked and confused after President Trump announced late Sunday that he wants a 100 percent tariff on all movies produced outside the U.S.

On Monday, the president said no final decisions have been made, but he plans to meet with representatives from the U.S. film industry to discuss his proposal.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hollywood doesn't do very much of that business. They have the nice sign and everything's good, but they don't do very much.

A lot of it's been taken to other countries and big proportion, and I'm actually going to meet with some because, you know, there's some advantages, I guess, and I'm not looking to hurt the industry. I want to help the industry.

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LEE: One industry insider tells CNN this plan could halt virtually all productions, the president has no jurisdiction, and that it could all be too difficult to enforce.

For more on this, we are joined by National Public Radio film critic Eric Deggans. He is the author of "Race-Baiter: How the media wields dangerous words to divide a nation".

Eric, it is great to see you. As a media and film critic, I imagine your phone has been blowing up the past 24 hours.

Give us a sense of the immediate reaction you've been getting from the industry, to this idea of a 100 percent tariff on films made outside of the U.S.

ERIC DEGGANS, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO FILM CRITIC: I think the main reaction has just been a lot of confusion, because people -- there hasn't been a lot of specific sort of announced connected to this.

So it is really hard to understand a, whether the president even has the legal authority to levy any kind of tariff on an intellectual property like a film. There is specific legislation that might be -- that might be referred to in an attempt to resist tariffs on movies.

And my hunch is that unless there's some sort of negotiation with Hollywood, just an attempt to sort of impose tariffs might bring a legal action, legal challenge.

But it's tough to know what -- what would be tariffed if a production films some scenes overseas but it is written in America and mostly edited in America. What qualifies as a foreign-developed production if a company is based in America.

But films -- a bunch of stuff overseas or is not based in America, but releases the film here, you know, there's a lot of things that would have to sort of be defined for Hollywood to even understand what might be at stake.

And so there's a lot of confusion and worry. And we've seen the stock market react, by you know, plummeting values for some really important media stocks like Netflix and Warner Brothers Discovery.

LEE: I mean, I realize you just said we don't know the details, but if you had to guess, I mean, what will this end up looking like in practice for, say an American film studio? You know, it makes a lot of movies abroad and 100 percent tariff comes down on movies made abroad.

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LEE: I mean, are you basically forced to do a 180 and, you know, figure out ways to start filming in the U.S. only?

DEGGANS: Well again, you know, the question is sort of what gets tariffed? Is it the financing that's overseas? Is it the workers who are over there? Is it the budgets -- that's the part of the budget that's spent over there.

It's hard to even know what would be tariffed. But beyond that, a tariff like that would just increase the cost of production overseas. It wouldn't reduce the cost of production in America.

So you know, the studios that are looking to take productions overseas because they can get movies made because they're spending less on, on production, that doesn't mean that they'll bring those productions to America. It means they might make less films because they might not be able to afford to make them, because the cost of making them overseas rises to the point where it's just as expensive to film it here in America.

I think what we might see is a reduction in the number of films overall, because small, independent productions wouldn't be able to afford to make films overseas. And the big studios would probably cut back on the number of films that they're making.

LEE: And I feel like, Eric these days, you know, you can't really discuss tariffs without discussing counter-tariffs. I'm just trying to wrap my head around, you know what counter-tariffs to tariffs on movies made outside the U.S. would even look like? I mean, what do you think? DEGGANS: Well, that's the question. And particularly when you're

talking about, for example, China already has a really restrictive, but a very expansive, you know, you know, movie audience.

And so Hollywood has always been sort of in this delicate dance with China trying to get more Hollywood product to be allowed to be shown on screens in China.

China has already talked about reducing the number of films that it would take from America in reaction to this other. you know, trade war that has broken out.

And so now, if you're in a situation where there are even more tariffs, it might be even harder to get films into, you know, tough but lucrative markets like China.

And what we're seeing, if you look at, for example, I called up this Web site called Box Office Mojo. And if you look at the top ten grossing films from last year, only one of them, "Wicked", had less than half of its revenue come from overseas. Every other film made at least 50 percent -- generally 52 to 56 percent -- of its revenue came from overseas. So a tariff, of course, would cut into that.

And so what would happen is that a major element of profitability for big films would be hampered.

LEE: Eric Deggans, thank you so much.

DEGGANS: Thank you.

LEE: One of the busiest airports in the U.S., Newark Liberty, continues to be plagued by widespread delays more than a week after a communication outage led to staffing shortages.

Air traffic control audio recorded by the Web site LiveACC.net and obtained by CNN, reveals the tense moments authorities say prompted some controllers to take trauma leave.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you do not have a bravo clearance. We lost our radar and it's not working correctly. Radar service terminates -- Squawk VFR -- change approved.

If you want a bravo clearance, you can just call the towers when you get closer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ok. I'll wait for that frequency from you, ok?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ok. No. Just Squawk VFR, look up the tower frequencies. We don't have a radar so I don't know where you are.

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LEE: And the Federal Aviation Administration acknowledged Monday that the agency's antiquated air traffic control system is affecting its workforce.

And now the Senate's top Democrat is demanding the Department of Transportation to investigate the issues at Newark Liberty Airport before they extend across the country.

And still ahead, the biggest stars were looking fine and dandy on fashion's most coveted red carpet.

A breakdown of this year's Met Gala when we come back.

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LEE: Music mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs appeared in court on Monday as jury selection began in his federal criminal trial. He told the judge he was a little nervous as lawyers questioned potential jurors.

15 people were assessed as jurors on the first day, with many showing knowledge of the case. Several said they've seen the hotel surveillance video of Combs assaulting his ex-girlfriend, Cassie Ventura. One potential juror was dismissed after calling that video "damning".

Combs has pleaded not guilty to five charges, including sex trafficking. He faces up to life in prison if convicted on all counts.

Fashion's biggest night out definitely did not disappoint. On Monday, A-List stars and fashion icons donned their boldest, boundary-pushing looks for the Met Gala in New York.

This year's theme, "Tailored for You", was inspired by the Costume Institute's accompanying exhibition, "Superfine Tailoring Black Style", which explores the history of black sartorialism and dandyism.

There's Zendaya looking amazing. Many of the head-turning looks were inspired by menswear, as well as black fashion icons dating back to the 18th century.

Thanks for joining us. I'm M.J. Lee in Washington.

CNN NEWSROOM with Rosemary Church is next.

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