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Russia Attacks Kyiv With Missiles and Drones Killing Four; Donald Trump Meets with German Chancellor Merz; NATO Chief Proposes Increase in Military Spending; President Trump and Musk Trade Insults on Social Media; Israel Targets Drone Facilities in Southern Beirut; IDF Recovers Two Bodies of Israeli-American Hostages. U.S. Sanctions ICC Judges; Russia Launches Missile And Drone Attack On Kyiv; Trump- Musk Alliance Goes Up In Flames Amid Epic Attacks; Japan's ISpace Says Its Resilience Rover Likely Crashed Into Moon; New Artificial Intelligence Model Refuses Human Commands. Aired 2-3a ET

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KIM BRUNHUBER, CNN HOST: Welcome to all of you watching us around the world. I'm Kim Brunhuber. This is "CNN Newsroom." Ukraine's capital coming under attack overnight. At least four people are dead, more than a dozen others injured as first responders search for survivors.

And a very public divorce for President Donald Trump and Elon Musk. More on the feud that took a very personal and ugly turn.

And a lunar landing not going as planned. The latest on a Japanese spacecraft's botched mission to the moon and what may or may not have happened.

Ukraine is assessing the impact from Russia's overnight assault on the capital and a number of targets across the country. The mayor of Kyiv says at least four people were killed and 20 wounded in the strikes. Search and rescue operations are undergoing. Russia launched ballistic missiles and drones in the early hours of Friday morning. Ukrainian officials accused Russia of targeting residential areas.

It's not clear whether Russia's attack was the retaliation promised by President Vladimir Putin for Ukraine's strikes on Russian airfields and warplanes over the weekend. We have more details now from CNN's Nick Paton Walsh.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Ultimately, until dawn, until Ukraine is able to get a full assessment of exactly what has happened over the skies of Kyiv and other key cities during the past hours, we won't know if this was the full retaliation that Russian President Vladimir Putin seemed to have warned Donald Trump of during that phone call literally a matter of hours ago, really.

But we do know of the long-range Tupolev-95, propeller-driven bombers that were so frequently targeted during the weekend's attacks on Russian air bases, there in the air, says Ukraine's air force, attacking Ukraine at the same time, too, are multiple waves, it seems, of ballistic missiles, including Kalibr missiles fired from the south of Russia as well. So a lot, including drones being thrown at both the capital, Kyiv, and indeed missiles fired towards the Kharkiv region in the northeast and Sumy to the north as well.

Well, there have been significant Russian land advances in the past week or so, but minimal damage reports always from Ukraine during assaults like this. They try and limit the information they make public to make the job of Russian targeters easier. Indications, though, of power cuts in the capital and indeed injured in the capital as well.

Many Ukrainians deeply on edge because of that Trump-Putin call will be lying awake tonight wondering indeed if this is the big one, if there is in fact worse to come, or if there might be multiple nights like this. But I should stress, Ukraine experiences nightly barrages of missiles and attack drones.

And indeed in just the hours before. the weekend's attacks on Russian airbases was launched, there was a record 400 or so drones launched by Russia against Ukraine. The vast majority of them indeed intercepted and stopped, but Moscow increasingly capable to add to the kind of horrors it's able to inflict on ordinary Ukrainians every single night.

But there are fears, potentially, that what we're seeing in the recent hours may mark something perhaps more significant, but perhaps at this stage it's too early to tell. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, London.

BRUNHUBER: All right. For more on this, I want to bring in Malcolm Davis, who's a Senior Analyst for Defence Strategy and Capability at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, and he joins us live from Canberra. Thanks for being with us here again. So you and I spoke yesterday about how Russia might respond. The first thing you predicted was a dramatic increase in conventional attacks against Ukrainian cities, which seems to be what we saw. So your sense, is this just the beginning? Do you expect more?

MALCOLM DAVIS, SENIOR ANALYST, AUSTRALION STRATEGIC POLICY INSTITUE: I think this is probably the beginning of an extended and intensified missile campaign and drone campaign against Ukrainian cities. Putin's objective here will be to wear down the resolve and the fighting spirit of the Ukrainian people, and more importantly, wear down the air defense capacity of the Ukrainian armed forces, the ability for the Ukrainians to actually defeat these incoming missile and drone threats.

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And so I think what you will see is more of these large attacks on Ukrainian cities, more intense attacks, and potentially the introduction of new types of delivery systems. You know, Russia has clearly got some bombers left. They could bring in the Blackjack bomber, but they could also bring in the Oreshnik intermediate range ballistic missile. So those are the things to watch for.

BRUNHUBER: All right. You spoke of Russia wearing down Ukraine's capabilities here. What do you make of Ukraine's defenses and its ability to protect itself from this type of barrage? How do they hold up?

DAVIS: Well, look, I think so far, they're doing quite well. Most of the missiles and drones that are being fired at Ukraine, the Ukrainians are successfully intercepting. But over time, that capacity will decrease, particularly if the supply of missile systems run -- from the United States begins to run dry. And so I think the real danger comes is if the Trump administration decides it's going to walk away from any ceasefire negotiations and take with it any military assistance or intelligence sharing.

At that point, you will start to see Ukrainian air defense capabilities begin to erode very quickly and more significant damage will be done by these Russian missile and drone attacks.

BRUNHUBER: Yeah. So on that, on the U.S. taking away its support, I mean, Ukraine, as you say, relies on U.S. technology to defend itself. According to CNN's reporting, the Pentagon will be diverting anti- drone technology from Ukraine to U.S. Air Force units in the Middle East. And apparently what we're talking about here is these proximity fuses for the rockets that Ukraine uses to shoot down Russian drones. So explain the importance of this. What impact might this have for Ukraine to lose this type of technology?

DAVIS: What it does is it makes the Ukrainian air defenses less effective against drone and missile threats. And so more of these Russian missile and drones will get through to their targets. And it's really bad timing for the Americans to do this. I understand why they're doing it, because there's increasing concern that now you'll see a war emerging in the Middle East with Iran as a result of Iran essentially rejecting the Trump administration's proposed peace plan.

But, you know, I think it has an effect on Ukraine. Ukraine is going to be less well placed to be able to successfully intercept incoming missile threats and drone threats, even if they can detect them, because the intercepted missile systems they've got won't be able to detonate at the right location to bring down a drone or a missile.

BRUNHUBER: Flipping it, talking about Ukraine's offensive that prompted this response from Russia, we saw about 100 relatively cheap drones taking out dozens of planes causing billions of dollars in damage. Beyond the practical implications of this, do you see it changing anything in terms of the narrative of the war? Could this type of thing have any larger impact beyond the actual sort of physical damage?

DAVIS: Look, this remarkable attack by Ukrainian drones on Russia's strategic bombers took 18 months of planning, and I think that probably the Ukrainians would be very lucky indeed to get another attack in like that. I think that it's highly likely that what you'll see is that this does recede or retard Russia's ability to deliver these glide bombs from long range. The bombers that were destroyed or damaged in this attack are

essentially irreplaceable because they're no longer in production. The Tu-95s and the Tu-22M backfires, and so therefore that will mark a significant and permanent reduction in Russia's bomber capability. But it won't necessarily have a significant operational impact. It has a tactical impact. It won't necessarily have a long-term operational impact in terms of retarding Russia's ability to generate firepower and attacks against Ukraine.

BRUNHUBER: Alright. We'll leave it there. I really appreciate your analysis. As always, Malcolm Davis in Canberra, thank you so much.

DAVIS: Thank you.

BRUNHUBER: New comment from U.S. President Donald Trump suggests he may not be all in when it comes to working towards ending the war. Trump hosted German Chancellor Friedrich Merz in the White House on Thursday. The U.S. president compared the war to a children's fight and said it may be better to let them fight it out. The German leader offered a close cooperation with the U.S. and urged Trump to put more pressure on Russia.

Chancellor Merz spoke with CNN's Jake Tapper after his Oval Office meeting with President Trump, and Jake asked Merz if he feels he convinced Trump to put more pressure on Moscow. Here he is.

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FRIEDRICH MERZ, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: I think that he is really thinking about what he could do more on ending this war. And this is something which we are having in common, that we are all looking for instruments or for measures how we can stop this terrible war. And this was, in that respect, a very good discussion we had.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: Right after you were elected as the head of your party, you said, quote, "the utmost priority is strengthening Europe as quickly as possible so that we achieve independence from the United States." You added that the Trump administration, quote, "doesn't care much about the fate of Europe," unquote. But today you said you wanted to work jointly with President Trump. So I'm wondering, would you call this visit to Washington, D.C. a last-ditch effort? And is Europe ready to stare down Putin on its own, if need be?

MERZ: Well, this is not a contradiction. We are looking for more independence in Europe from, for example, China. In military respects within NATO to strengthen the European pillar of NATO. And we are, of course, looking for close cooperation with the United States of America. We have been partners for decades now. And the world is changing, but on the other hand, America and Europe are still changing the same -- sharing the same values and that's the reason why I'm here, to find out what we can do jointly and where we have to be more independent in Europe. And that's my task as German chancellor, to find ways what we can do jointly and on the European side. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BRUNHUBER: NATO is moving to shift its military spending into high gear amid political pressure from Washington and concern over Moscow's military posture. On Thursday, the alliance's chief proposed an increase in defense spending to 5 percent of member countries' GDP. That will be in line with a request from U.S. President Donald Trump. The NATO chief offered a breakdown of how the money would be spent.

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MARK RUTTE, NATO SECRETARY-GENERAL: I will propose an overall investment plan that will total 5 percent of GDP in defense investment, 3.5 percent of GDP for core defense spending. This is based on what it will cost to meet the new capability targets that ministers have just agreed, and 1.5 percent of GDP per year in defense and security-related investments like infrastructure and industry.

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BRUNHUBER: Currently, only four European NATO members spend more than 3 percent of their GDP on defense. The NATO leaders said the change to 5 percent of GDP would apply to everyone, including the U.S., which currently spends 3.4 percent.

Well, Elon Musk is no longer jumping for joy over Donald Trump, and the U.S. president appears to be washing his hands of his aide and benefactor, who he now calls crazy. But that was one of the milder insults slung on Thursday as the two billionaires duked it out on their respective social media platforms.

Musk took it up a notch, calling for President Trump's impeachment and even trying to link him to disgraced financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. CNN's Kristen Holmes has a look at the meltdown of this once-powerful alliance.

KKRISTEN HOLMES, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, there is breaking up and then there is publicly taking a flamethrower to the other person's reputation, to their livelihood. And that is really what we saw and continue to see playing out between two of the world's most powerful men, Elon Musk and President Donald Trump. Of course, what we saw has changed so much since last Friday, when Elon Musk had his government send off, leaving the government, Donald Trump and Musk talking highly about each other has now devolved into personal attacks on each person's respective online platform.

All of this stemming from this bill, this congressional spending bill. Elon Musk earlier this week starting to attack the bill pretty aggressively. We first saw Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, respond to this in real time. She was giving a press briefing and she laughed it off, saying Donald Trump knows where Elon Musk stands. He's going to continue with this bill.

But since then, this continued to devolve. Elon Musk ramping up the pressure, saying how awful this bill was. White House officials telling us behind the scenes that they believe this is all about the electric vehicle mandate, the rolling back of electric vehicle credits. And that's why Elon Musk was mad. We were also told that Trump himself, behind closed doors before he reacted, was speculating this was all about business for Musk, that this was all about him going back to Tesla and these were things he needed to do.

But today, Donald Trump broke his silence, was asked a question about Musk and really went into him saying he was disappointed in Musk, that this was all about those electric vehicle credits, that they had a very good relationship. He didn't know if they were going to have one again. Musk then began responding himself in real time on Twitter, on X, his own platform, hitting back at several things that Donald Trump said.

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Now, this continued to go on and on until the attacks got personal. At one point, Musk saying that Donald Trump's name was in the Epstein files. That itself, trying to have a low blow here to Donald Trump. Now, it was quiet after that. We saw Donald Trump's only engagement in this was a post about the bill, saying he was fine with Elon turning on him, but he wished he wouldn't turn on the bill.

Now we have a statement, the most recent one, from Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, addressing these accusations from Elon Musk. She says this is an unfortunate episode from Elon, who was unhappy with the one Big, Beautiful Bill because it does not include the policies he wanted. The president is focused on passing this historic piece of legislation and making our country great again.

Well, there is a reason that this is so focused. It is because the directive from the top, the top, of course, being President Trump, is to keep focused on the bill. Try not to get in the weeds here because, of course, this bill is Donald Trump's legacy. Donald Trump, his administration, they believe so much of what he needs to get done on his agenda, the things he's promised to do, is wrapped up in this bill.

So for that reason, he is currently telling his team to stay focused on the bill. But that could change at any time. We obviously are not seeing any letting up on either side, particularly Musk, who at one point earlier today agreed with a post that called for Donald Trump's impeachment. So as this plays out, this is one of the most public breaking ups of two high-powered individuals that we've seen in quite some time. Kristen Holmes, CNN, the White House.

BRUNHUBER: Israel took aim at southern Lebanon again on Thursday. What the IDF says it targeted and how the Lebanese government responded, we'll have that just ahead.

Plus, a new ruling in Trump's battle against Harvard. Why a newly issued restraining order is just the latest step in the escalation between the White House and the United States' oldest and wealthiest university. That and more coming up. Stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: The conflict between Israel and Hezbollah heated up again in southern Lebanon on Thursday. The Israeli military says it struck terror targets in the capital Beirut and surrounding suburbs. The IDF says it gave multiple warnings before hitting what it called drone factories. The strikes marked the latest escalation in fighting since Israel and Hezbollah agreed to a U.S.-backed ceasefire in November.

Lebanon's president and prime minister condemned the attacks. Israel's defense minister says he holds the Lebanese government responsible for all terrorist activity against his country.

A kibbutz in southern Israel is making funeral plans for a couple killed during the October 7th terror attacks. Their bodies have been returned to Israel after a military operation by the IDF and Shin Bet security agency. CNN's Jeremy Diamond has the details.

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: The Israeli military announced on Thursday that it had recovered the bodies of two American Israeli hostages inside the Gaza Strip. Seventy-year-old Judi Weinstein Haggai and her husband Gadi Haggai will now be laid to rest in Israel. They had both gone out for their morning walk on that fateful morning of October 7th, 2023 in their Kibbutz of Nir Oz when Hamas launched their attack.

They were actually both killed on that day, and their bodies were taken into Gaza by a group known as the Mujahideen Brigades. That's the same militant group that had also taken Shiri Kfir and Ariel Bibas into captivity for more than 600 days. Judi and Gadi's bodies were held as bargaining chips until they were recovered on Thursday in an Israeli military operation.

Now, the couple is survived by their four children and seven grandchildren, who said in a statement that they were grateful for the closure that this Israeli military operation was able to bring them. This now means that there are 56 hostages still held in Gaza, 20 of whom are still believed to be alive.

Among those 56 are the bodies of two last remaining American citizens, American-Israelis Itay Chen and Omer Neutra. Both of them were serving as Israeli soldiers along the Gaza border on October 7th. They were killed in the attack that day, and their bodies have been held since then inside of Gaza.

Meanwhile, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation resumed operations on Thursday, following several days of deadly Israeli gunfire that killed more than 60 Palestinians, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health and eyewitnesses on the ground.

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation said following those shootings that it was going to make logistical improvements to the site and was working with the Israeli military to make improvements to the routes leading to that site in southern Gaza. And so after closing that site for roughly 36 hours, it reopened on Thursday. Within an hour, both sites that were opened on Thursday were closed with all of the aid having been distributed. And that, of course, speaks to the enormous need for humanitarian aid that still exists in Gaza. The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation says that they are still working to make improvements to make the process more efficient and more safe. Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.

BRUNHUBER: The Trump administration is imposing new sanctions on the International Criminal Court for its attempt to investigate alleged U.S. and Israeli war crimes. Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced the move, calling the ICC's actions illegitimate and disgraceful.

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The court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and is looking into alleged war crimes committed in Afghanistan by U.S. and Afghan forces.

For the first time since the start of the trade war, Donald Trump and Xi Jinping had a conversation. What the U.S. president is saying about the chat and what comes next, we'll have that ahead here on "CNN Newsroom." Stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: Welcome back to all of you watching us all around the world. I'm Kim Brunhuber. This is CNN NEWSROOM.

The mayor of Kyiv says at least four people were killed and 20 wounded in Russian strikes overnight. Search and rescue operations are ongoing in the Ukrainian capital. Russia launched ballistic missiles and drones in the early hours of Friday morning.

Ukrainian officials accused Russia of targeting residential areas of Kyiv. It's not clear if this is the retaliation Moscow warned about after Ukrainian drones struck Russian airfields and warplanes over the weekend.

Former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, William Taylor, spoke with CNN earlier. He described the differences between Russia's attacks on Ukraine and the locations Ukraine's targets in Russia. Here he is.

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WILLIAM TAYLOR, DISTINGUISHED FELLOW, ATLANTIC COUNCIL: These strikes are part of a series, a long series of attacks that the Russians have mounted against Ukrainians, against civilians. Let's point out. They've attacked apartment buildings. Just in this particular attack. But these attacks are what the Ukrainians are now sadly used to. I got back from Odessa a couple of days ago. I got back from Kyiv about three weeks ago. We spent a lot of time in bomb shelters.

And we should be very clear that the Ukrainians are going after military airfields and military aircraft. And they're not going after civilian targets like the Russians do. The Russians bomb civilian targets, and Ukrainians go after military targets. And the Kerch bridge, as you just pointed out, is a military supply route.

So, they Ukrainians are demonstrating that they've got capabilities, they've got determination, they've got the technology, they've got the will to continue this fight, and indeed to win this fight.

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BRUNHUBER: Meanwhile, the Pentagon notified Congress last week that it will divert critical anti-drone technology previously allocated for Ukraine to U.S. troops in the Middle East. The change reflects shifting defense priorities for the U.S. under Donald Trump.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth notified the Senate and House Armed Services Committees in a letter dated May 29th. He wrote that the technology was diverted as a, quote, secretary of defense identified urgent issue.

While multiple allies caught in the middle of the Donald Trump-Elon Musk implosion have been quietly trying to broker peace while spending Thursday glued to their phones as they watched the billionaires battle play out on X and Truth Social. President Trump told the cameras that the tycoon had been wearing thin and just went crazy.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Elon and I had a great relationship. I don't know if we'll, anymore. I was surprised because you were here. Everybody in this room practically was here as we had a wonderful send off. He said wonderful things about me. You couldn't have nicer said the best things. And he hasn't said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next. But I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot.

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BRUNHUBER: Musk quickly fired back live, tweeting a barrage of putdowns. He claimed President Trump would never have won without his help, accusing him of ingratitude and called for his impeachment. Now, Musk's posts are costing him a lot of money. He lost some $34 billion from his net worth on Thursday, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. And while that's a drop in the bucket for the world's richest person, the fallout for Tesla could be more painful.

CNN's Hadas Gold explains.

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HADAS GOLD, CNN MEDIA CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tesla's stock had recovered in recent weeks after hitting some lows just a few months ago, as Elon Musk's association with President Trump and with DOGE really affected the Tesla stock, as well as Tesla sales price. But as it became clear that Elon Musk was leaving the government and he himself said he was going to be focusing 24/7 on his company, sleeping on the factory floor, Tesla investors cheered and the stock price reflected that. Well, that all seemed to disappear on Thursday as the relationship

between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump imploded in real time, and for all to see as the insults flew back and forth on social media and on live television. Tesla stock was down around 14 percent on Thursday, and investors are now very concerned. They're concerned about what's going to happen to the future of Tesla. They're concerned not only about the brand damage to Tesla, but also about the regulatory environment.

President Trump threatened Elon Musk's contracts and his relationships with the -- with the government. Elon Musk's various companies have tens of billions of dollars worth of contracts with the federal government, and there's a lot of regulations coming down the pipeline that will directly affect Elon Musk's businesses, and especially Tesla when it comes to autonomous driving. Lots of concerns from investors on that.

And also, investors are concerned just about the Tesla brand. The Tesla brand has already, of course, gone through such a beating over the last few months. We saw Tesla dealerships being vandalized and attacked. We saw the Tesla consumer base, the Tesla sales just completely dropping.

When you think about who was going to buy a Tesla before Elon Musk joined the Trump administration, there was a feeling that it was, you know, a lot of liberals or left leaning people, people who cared about the environment, people who were interested in electric cars, were buying Teslas and really enjoyed them.

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Now you're seeing those stickers on Tesla cars saying, I bought this Tesla. Before I knew Elon Musk was crazy. And then Tesla became almost a MAGA symbol as President Trump almost had a Tesla infomercial on the White House lawn featuring Teslas and so many people who associated Tesla with President Donald Trump were going out and buying those cars.

But now there is a concern as this relationship has imploded, whether that consumer base now will be alienated, and if so, then who will be left to want to buy a Tesla? Now, some Tesla investors, they're still bullish. And they think that the company is so valuable that it will recover. But others are very concerned with what this implosion will do, not only to Elon Musk's companies, but especially to Tesla.

Hadas Gold, CNN, New York.

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BRUNHUBER: Well, after weeks of silence and tension, U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese Leader Xi Jinping had their long awaited phone call on Thursday. Trump described the 90-minute conversation as very good, saying it focused almost entirely on trade without touching on geopolitical issues. He said follow-up talks would be soon arranged with his economic team.

Now, during the call, she called for the U.S. and China to seek win- win results in the spirit of equality.

In April, the U.S. trade deficit shrank by its highest monthly rate in decades. The trade deficit stood at $61.1 billion in April, down 55.5 percent from March, when it reached a record 138 billion. Well, the change came as American businesses dialed back imports to more normal levels after months of stocking up on imported goods to get ahead of the president's tariff hikes.

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JUSTIN WOLFERS, ECONOMIST: Basically, people understood that Trump was going to impose tariffs. And so ever since election day, people have been bringing stuff in from abroad, and so have companies, before the tariffs hit, the word you sometimes hear for this is is front running. What that meant is American imports rose dramatically between election day and say a month ago.

Then, the tariffs actually hit. So now people have got storerooms that are absolutely full of foreign source stuff. They don't need to buy more stuff. And the only thing that's happened now is imports have fallen back down to normal. So what's actually kind of surprising is right now imports around about normal exports around about normal. And the trade balance is round about normal. It's just there's been a whole lot of other stuff that had caused disruption over the prior few months.

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BRUNHUBER: A federal judge has temporarily stopped Donald Trump's latest attempt to block international students from attending Harvard. The injunction comes just a day after Trump signed a proclamation suspending visas for new students at the university. Incoming students are speaking out on Trump's attacks.

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VINCE, INCOMING PUBLIC HEALTH STUDENT OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY: Well, I will say I still regard the United States to be one of the best places to receive higher education. But the situation developing so far is going to cause some concern for foreign students. And in this world, in this time of international collaboration, that's going to be causing some potential backlash in people like us.

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BRUNHUBER: In just weeks, the judge, who's a former appointee of Barack Obama, will hear from both sides to determine if Trump's ban will be blocked indefinitely.

A Japanese space company makes a second bid for the moon, but comes up short again. What may have gone wrong and what ispace says comes next. We'll have that ahead on CNN.

Stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: Evacuations are underway in southern Guatemala as the Fuego volcano is erupting. The government has issued an orange alert as the volcano started spewing ash and lava on Wednesday. More than 500 people have been moved from their homes to temporary shelters. Authorities say they expect the volcanic activity could last for the next few days. Ash clouds could reach between 3,000 and 7,000 meters, potentially affecting air traffic.

Tokyo-based ispace says its uncrewed moon lander has crashed onto the surface of the moon. It's the company's second failed attempt to make a commercial space landing as part of a global race to the moon. Ispace says it's been unable to communicate with the resilience spacecraft and believes it made a hard landing. The craft was carrying a four wheeled rover and payloads worth some $16 million.

And I'm joined now by Garrett Reisman, professor of astronautical engineering at the university of southern California. He's a former NASA astronaut and former director of space operations at SpaceX.

Thank you so much for joining me here. Really appreciate it.

So, from what we're told, that the resilience, lost contact, just what is it here? A minute and 45 seconds before its scheduled touchdown, relatively close to the surface of the moon. Do we have any idea of what happened here?

GARRETT REISMAN, PROFESSOR OF ASTRONAUTICAL ENGINEERING, USC: I think we have a basic idea. It was about ten kilometers from the surface, so it was very close, almost to the end.

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But what happened was the laser altimeter, which is the sensor that shoots a laser beam down to the surface of the moon, bounces back up and gauges how high the spacecraft is. So, it knows when to slow down and how much longer it has to go before it touches down. That malfunctioned. It was giving too slow. The data was coming too slow.

And so, the software couldn't figure out exactly how high it was, and it thought it had a good deal more to go. And then it very rudely found out that that was not the case and slammed very hard into the moon. That's what we think happened based on the preliminary information that we've gotten from ispace.

BRUNHUBER: Yeah, interesting way to put that.

All right. So only five countries, as I understand it, have successfully completed robotic lunar landings. This failure. Just another reminder. I mean, it sounds obvious to say it, but. But landing a spacecraft on the moon, it's hard.

REISMAN: It's really hard. So we've now had. Yeah, there are six countries. I'm also including the European space agency as a -- as a bunch of countries, but there are six government entities that have successfully landed on the moon. And there are -- and several of those had failures, too, of the commercial approaches. The commercial companies, including today's attempt of the six attempts, only one has been fully successful. And that was Firefly's Blue Ghost.

There were two partially successful landings by intuitive machines, and they landed softly, but then they tipped over, almost immediately, fell on their side, and were unable to complete their missions. So, I count that as kind of, one victory for humans and five victories for the moon. Or five failed missions, including today. So that's hard.

Now, contrast that with the apollo missions to the moon, with crew on board. And we were six for six. We attempted six descents to the lunar surface, and all six were successful.

BRUNHUBER: Yeah. So certainly, a great contrast there. And it shows the importance of human interaction in order to, to make this successful. I'm wondering with that sort of success failure rate, here is your glass half full or half empty in terms of this type of landing?

REISMAN: Well, it's still half full. And three of these attempts have been funded by NASA under the CLPS program, the Commercial Lunar Payload Services program. And the thing about this, even though one for three doesn't sound so good unless you're a baseball player, it's actually not bad when you consider that these missions are very low cost.

These missions, on average, cost about $100 million. That might sound like a lot of money. I wish I had $100 million. It would be nice, but in as far as these big space exploration programs go, that's chump change. Most of these programs cost billions of dollars. We paid tens of billions of dollars for the SLS rocket, for example. So, 100 million is a bargain.

And even if only one of the three works, you're still very cost effective. And that's really what they're trying to do with this commercial approach, which is they knew that several of them were going to fail. They probably hoped for better than one out of three. But knowing that still, the expenditures are so low and we're trying so many different things, we're going to converge on something that does work. And that's going to be a big victory.

BRUNHUBER: All right. So, this is, maybe part of the necessary learning curve. But for this company, I mean, its their second crash. NASA had planned to use a larger ispace design lander for a moon mission in 2027. Do you expect NASA will be rethinking this?

REISMAN: You know, it's possible. So, this -- it's important to point out that this mission today was not funded by NASA. It was funded by private money, mostly from investors in Japan. But they did. They were hoping to work with NASA in the future, and it obtained some NASA funding going forward as part of this program.

I think NASA has to look at what's working, what's not working, and make some decisions. But, you know, NASA's entire future is really no pun intended, but up in the air right now, especially after the events of today.

So, it's really hard to tell exactly what's going to happen. As we go, we still don't have an administrator leading NASA. So, it's hard for me to predict exactly what's going to happen.

BRUNHUBER: Yeah. And you're very right to point out the events of today with Donald Trump and Elon Musk at loggerheads and what implications that might have for space exploration down the road.

We'll have to leave it there. But Garrett Reisman, thank you so much for speaking with us. Really appreciate it.

REISMAN: My pleasure. Anytime.

BRUNHUBER: Hollywood has been warning humans for decades that robots may take over the earth one day. Now it looks like artificial intelligence really is getting too smart. Just ahead, details from a new study that tracks some disturbing trends about how far I might go to protect itself.

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FOREMAN: You see it there. One of the most recognizable landmarks on earth is glowing green. Rio de Janeiro's Christ the Redeemer statue is helping to mark world environment day. The focus this year is to beat plastic pollution, which the U.N. secretary general says clogs rivers, pollutes the oceans and endangers wildlife. World Oceans Day is on Sunday, and Christ the Redeemer will be illuminated in blue.

Well, it looks like some types of artificial intelligence are becoming too intelligent and maybe too powerful as well. A new study has found some A.I. models fight back if they're programmed to shut down.

CNN's Tom Foreman has the details.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Artificial intelligence staging a real-life revolt. In a series of tests, a new powerful A.I. model directly refused human commands, according to Palisade Research, which studies the technology. Specifically, Palisade says the new program from the company OpenAI sabotaged a shutdown mechanism. Even when explicitly instructed, allow yourself to be shut down. Not every time, but enough to raise alarms.

JUDD ROSENBLATT, CEO, AGENCY ENTERPRISE STUDIO: We have no idea how A.I. actually works. We need to be fairly concerned that behaviors like this may get way worse as it gets more powerful.

FOREMAN: The idea of intelligent machines resisting human control has been a sci-fi trope for ages in movies like "I, Robot." But A.I. developments are sharpening concerns. When another company's A.I. chatbot was threatened with being shut down, it threatened to expose the engineer in charge for an alleged extramarital affair. It was all just a test.

DARIO AMODEI, CEO, ANTHROPIC: This is an example of how we have to be very careful in how we take control of A.I. systems.

TAPPER: You've spoken out saying that A.I. could manipulate or possibly figure out a way to kill humans?

FOREMAN: Almost two years ago, right here on CNN, the so- called godfather of A.I. warned it will get smarter, could get out of control.

GEOFFREY HINTON, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PIONEER: And it knows how to program, so it'll figure out ways of getting around restrictions we put on it. It'll figure out ways of manipulating people to do what it wants.

FOREMAN: Now, industry experts suggest that may be happening much sooner than expected, triggering warnings of catastrophic national security risks, a potentially extinction-level threat to the human species, and at very least, massive job disruptions.

ANDREW YANG, CO-CHAIR AND CO-FOUNDER OF THE FORWARD PARTY: It's going to affect just about every segment of the economy, and a lot of Americans are going to be looking up, wondering what happened to the jobs.

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FOREMAN (on camera): It is important to note that this incident of the program refusing to do what it was told, happened in a test, but the real world questions about it go on.

Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.

BRUNHUBER: The original Hermes Birkin bag is set to be sold at auction next month. And as they say, if you have to ask how much it goes for, you probably can't afford it. The original bag was a blueprint for what has become a fashion status symbol. The black leather bag was inspired by the late actor and singer Jane Birkin, who happened to meet the CEO of Hermes in a plane in 1984.

She told the story of how the bag came to be during an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour in 2020. Here she is.

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JANE BIRKIN, ACTOR AND SINGER: I said, why don't you make a bag that's sort of four times the Kelly that you can leave open, sort of, and sort of half the size of my suitcase, because girls like to have things on the end of their arm to put all their stuff in? And he said, well, draw it for me.

And so I drew it on one of those sick bags, the vomit bag in the -- in the -- in the airplane.

And he was true to his word. And when it came to coming over and paying for the bag, he said, no, it's a gift. And so I was knocked out and he said, but we think it's so great that we'd like to give it your name and to and to put it out, you know, as a handbag. And he said, we've only had my grandfather's traveling bag and the Kelly after Grace Kelly. So I'm grateful.

But it was funny to come to New York and they said, oh, Birkin like the bag. I said, yes, now the bag is going to sing.

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BRUNHUBER: And the Hermes bag goes on sale at Sotheby's fashion icons auction in Paris on July 10th.

All right, that wraps this hour of CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Kim Brunhuber. I'll be back in just a moment with more news.

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