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Watchdog Agency Starts Probe Into Former Special Counsel Jack Smith; Trump Leaves Door Open On Potential Pardon For Maxwell; Man From California Accused Of Sending Money To ISIS; Trump Fires Jobs Data Chief; Families: Witkoff Said Talks Should Bring Release Of All Hostages; Manhunt Underway For Suspect In Killing Of Four People In Tennessee. Aired 5-6p ET

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ANDREW MCCABE, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: He's been the subject of complaints from other defense attorneys, had been the subject of a kind of workplace complaints from staffers known as being somebody who's very hard to work with.

But the thing that really stands out to me the most about him was, this is a person who, from all reporting, threw himself into the January 6th prosecutions with absolute vigor. He was actually a supporter of trying to pull all of the January 6th cases to the New York -- Southern District of New York prosecutors office. Very, very aggressive prosecutor.

And then once in DOJ, kind of working at the president's behest, completely turned around and has essentially led the charge of firing those prosecutors who were involved.

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN HOST: Thanks so much for joining us. The news continues on CNN.

OMAR JIMENEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to the CNN NEWSROOM, everyone. I'm Omar Jimenez in New York. Jessica Dean has the day off.

The man picked to investigate then-former President Trump is now facing an investigation himself. The Office of the Special Counsel has begun an investigation into Jack Smith, if you remember, the former special counsel who led the criminal probes into President Trump's handling of classified documents and alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

Now, the investigation is into the possibility of him violating the Hatch Act, which limits the political activities of government workers. And the news comes just days after Republican Senator Tom Cotton called Smith's actions, quote, "nothing more than a tool for the Biden and Harris campaigns". And then asked the Office of Special Counsel to investigate it.

CNN correspondent Julia Benbrook joins us now. So, Julia, what do we know so far about this investigation? JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Omar, the United States Office of Special Counsel, which is an independent federal agency tasked with enforcing several rules, including the Hatch Act, has confirmed to CNN that it is investigating former special counsel Jack Smith for alleged Hatch Act violations. So essentially investigating the investigator here.

And this is news that was first reported by the "New York Post" and later confirmed by our team. Smith, of course, has been in the headlines a lot in recent years as he was tasked with the investigation into then-former President Donald Trump's handling of classified documents, as well as his alleged efforts to subvert the 2020 election.

Both of those cases were ultimately dropped when Trump was reelected, but Smith has long been a focus of Trump's frustration.

Smith resigned from his role at the Department of Justice just about a week before Trump started his second term.

JIMENEZ: And just to be clear, for everyone to set the stakes, the rule is more of a workplace guideline, and violating it is not necessarily a crime. So that's essentially the scope of the probe that we're looking at here.

Julia, I also want to ask you about yesterday President Trump fired the government's top labor statistician after the recent, we'll call it disappointing jobs report. What do we know on that front?

BENBROOK: Well, this is a topic that continues into today as people are expressing concerns about the precedent that this sets after a weaker-than-expected jobs report.

President Donald Trump announced that he had fired the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Dr. Erika -- let me get her name exactly right here -- McEntarfer.

And when she was confirmed, I do want to point this out, she was appointed by President Donald Trump, but was confirmed with overwhelming support in the Senate. That was actually an 86 to 8 vote back when that happened. But Trump says that he does not trust the numbers here.

Here's what he had to say in an interview with Newsmax that took place just a little bit before he traveled out here to New Jersey for the weekend.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We had some difficulties with her, and there have been a lot of questions, and we fired her because we didn't believe the numbers today.

I was saying to myself, I wonder who does this? And when I checked, I said, this person is very suspect to me.

So we fired her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the accusation is this person was essentially cooking the books and the numbers are not accurate.

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TRUMP: Well, I think there's some strange things going on because just before -- same person -- just before the election, you know, they came out with these great numbers and I said, I don't believe those numbers.

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BENBROOK: So what are these numbers that we're causing so much frustration? We learned that in July just 73,000 jobs were added. That was less than expected and members of the administration had expressed disappointment about that.

But on top of that, the numbers from May and June were revised downwards significantly. And that caused a lot of frustration for Trump as well. But although those numbers were worse than originally reported, it is normal in this process to see those types of revisions.

Now, the deputy commissioner is stepping into the role of acting commissioner at this time, while Trump looks for someone to replace her.

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BENBROOK: He says there are lots of people interested in this role and suggested that three names come to mind, but did not add any further information there, Omar.

JIMENEZ: And a lot of implications in that dynamic. I know you will continue to follow -- follow them.

Julia Benbrook, really appreciate it.

I want to bring in CNN's senior legal analyst Elie Honig, to help make a little sense of what's going on here, because Elie, I just want to ask you, how significant is -- let's go back to Jack Smith -- how significant is the development that former special prosecutor Jack Smith is now under investigation? How are you looking at this?

ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: So Omar, it's important to understand. There are two completely separate types of special counsel in our government.

The first type of special counsel is the one that we're all probably most familiar with. That's when the attorney general taps an outside prosecutor to come in and investigate the president or some other high ranking official.

We've seen a bunch of these in recent years. Robert Mueller, Robert Hur investigating Joe Biden and Jack Smith himself. So let's call that prosecutorial special counsel.

Completely separate and apart from that, there's what we'll call bureaucratic special counsel coming out of this Office of Special Counsel. They're not prosecutors. They can't charge someone criminally. What they do is investigate whistleblower complaints for ethical issues, for conflicts of interest.

So what's happened here is the latter, a bureaucratic special counsel is now investigating Jack Smith. So this is not a criminal probe, this is a probe into ethics and conflicts of interest.

It's not good news for Jack Smith, but it's also not as if he is now under criminal investigation.

JIMENEZ: And he no longer works for the Justice Department. So the penalties here he could face are -- I don't really know exactly what penalties he could face, but maybe you would know better.

I want to ask about Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton because he made the request, asking this office, the bureaucratic special counsel, to use your words, to investigate Smith for what he called unprecedented interference in the 2024 election.

I mean, do you see any validity to those criticisms? Where would a probe even start on that front?

HONIG: I think that's a vast overstatement by Senator Cotton. I do think there are certainly valid reasons to question and challenge some of Jack Smith's tactical moves. As a prosecutor, I was critical of some of the things he did. I thought he was unnecessarily and artificially rushing the case to get it in before the election.

I think the record has made clear that that's what he was doing. But I think to say that this was somehow election interference in 2024 is an overstatement.

And to your question about penalties, Omar, that's a good question. The Hatch Act really only applies to current DOJ or federal employees. There's really not a heck of a lot you can do to a former.

What could happen, though, is we could see a report from this bureaucratic special counsel that perhaps, and we don't know what they're going to come out, but perhaps recommends that there be some prosecutorial investigation initiated. So we could see a referral at the end of this.

JIMENEZ: And that, of course, becomes the potential stakes on here, where I think we're properly acknowledging the stakes right now in regards to how this is starting. But as you point out, there could be more. We will just have to wait and see.

While I have you, I want to shift gears to the Jeffrey Epstein case, because last night, President Trump was asked about whether he would consider granting clemency to Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year-sentence for her role in Epstein's crimes. Just take a quick listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is clemency on the table for her in exchange for testimony?

TRUMP: I'm allowed to do it, but nobody's asked me to do it. I know nothing about it. I don't know anything about the case.

But I know I have the right to do it. I have the right to give pardons. I've given pardons to people before --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

TRUMP: But nobody's even asked me to do it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JIMENEZ: So there are clearly a lot of politics that have been at play in talks around Epstein in the past few weeks. But from a legal perspective, what is your reaction to even having that floated as a -- as a possibility or a consideration?

HONIG: Well, earlier in the week, I would have answered that stunned and shocked that he didn't just close the door. But now I think this is the third or fourth day in a row where Donald Trump has said almost the exact same thing verbatim.

Look, if Donald Trump wanted to rule out a potential pardon for a convicted child sex trafficker, he could do it with one word -- "no". Instead, he continues to keep this door open.

And let's keep in mind, while he's dangling that potential pardon while he's not taking it off the table, you have Ghislaine Maxwell, who's desperate to get out from under the remainder of her 20-year- sentence and we know is now talking to the Justice Department.

So I think you can see the strategy at play here.

JIMENEZ: And, you know, she was moved to a low security federal prison camp in Texas on Friday. This sort of this sort of transfer doesn't seem very common for someone convicted of, again, sex trafficking, these types of sex offenses.

What do you make of that move? What do you see in it?

HONIG: It was definitely an unusual move. She was transferred sort of without any warning or notice to the public at least, or the victims, as far as I can tell, from a low security prison in Florida to a minimum-security prison in Texas, what we sometimes call a camp in the federal system. That's a huge benefit.

Look, it's still prison. It's still terrible. But it's a way better lifestyle for someone in a camp. And I think we can't ignore the sequence here, right.

[17:09:51] HONIG: Todd Blanche the deputy attorney general goes down and meets with her for the better part of two days. And then she gets this benefit. And I think we'll learn eventually whether this was sort of in the ordinary course of business, which I doubt.

And by the way, it would take a special exemption to take a convicted sex offender and put that person in a camp. So somebody here allowed this exemption. So whether its coincidental, I highly doubt. It certainly appears as if she's being given some benefit for what she told Todd Blanche.

JIMENEZ: And so that was going to be my next question, because after Maxwell was transferred, the family of Epstein victim, an outspoken critic of Virginia Giuffre, issued a statement saying in part, "it smacks of a cover up".

Just from -- put on your DOJ hat for a little bit here, is there a strategic benefit to moving someone like Maxwell to a more minimum- security prison, in this case, in exchange for what they might feel is useful information -- like, is that a strategy that that in theory could be used here?

HONIG: You know, what's so unusual here, Omar, is that DOJ, ordinarily I do this -- I did this many, many times when I was a prosecutor, does give substantial benefits to cooperating witnesses.

Now, there's a couple of things that are different here. When I say benefits, usually it's a sentencing benefit. Usually DOJ will write a letter to the judge saying this person was an effective, honest cooperator. Therefore, I recommend less prison time.

However, when I say cooperator, Ghislaine Maxwell does not meet that definition. Cooperator means a person who has been thoroughly vetted, deemed to be credible, and somebody who DOJ has brought actual prosecutions based on their testimony.

She's done none of those things, so she's already gotten a substantial benefit yet without doing the things that you would ordinarily require of a proper -- what I would consider a proper cooperating witness.

JIMENEZ: Elie Honig appreciate it. As always, good to see you.

HONIG: Thanks, Omar. All right.

JIMENEZ: All right. Meanwhile, federal agents have arrested a man in California accusing him of sending money to ISIS, a designated foreign terrorist organization. The FBI says they recovered what seems to be made, look at this here, a homemade bomb from the bedroom of suspect 28-year-old Mark Lorenzo Villanueva.

Now, court documents allege he sent a dozen payments totaling more than $1,600 to two people who accessed the money overseas.

I want to get some more insight into the investigation with CNN national security analyst Juliette Kayyem, formerly the assistant secretary of Homeland Security. And so in a case like this, what would have led investigators to this

man? What sort of processes or communications are they monitoring to even get them in the space in the first place?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: So in this case, it may have been the receiving people that -- the two men who are accessing the money were probably under some sort of surveillance by a foreign intelligence agency. They then share the information with us, and then there's a series of rules that would apply, and then they would begin surveillance on the American.

The amount of money is not significant. Obviously, it's less than $2,000. The two things that are significant are, of course, who were these men identified as ISIS, and how did they access a willing participant? And who else are they talking to?

And then, of course, the building of the bomb, which is then -- that's the homeland threat.

JIMENEZ: And on that front, all right, so they are moving forward with an arrest. They searched the home. They found this -- they find this apparent homemade bomb that investigators say they found in the bedroom.

Does that suggest to you anything about his intention? How would you look at it from an investigative standpoint here?

KAYYEM: Well, we want more. I mean, obviously, the existence of the bomb would -- is clear intent for harm. You know, how did he make it? How did he find out how to make it? Is it a -- is it a real threat? Because, you know, we have to figure out what in fact it is.

More importantly, the thing that I would be looking at would just be was there a place, time and manner of the detonation of the bomb. That would get to the imminency issue, which is, was this someone who was delusional? I'm not forgiving it. And, you know, builds a bomb and thinks he's going to do great things but never acts on it.

Or is this someone who imminently was going to attack and this arrest was disruptive? Neither is good, I want to make that clear. It's just in understanding the nature of the threat of ISIS in the homeland today you would want to know that.

There's a lot -- there's a lot of crazy people who are radicalized these days. And we see it across the board. We see it domestically, where someone goes after the NFL or UnitedHealth because of their health issues or with the foreign terrorist threat. The radicalization is the result of lots of factors.

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KAYYEM: And so but it doesn't get to whether it was an imminent attack that the FBI was able to curtail. And that we'll get through information. So it's a good arrest, though nonetheless.

JIMENEZ: Yes, yes. Still a lot more to learn here. KAYYEM: Yes.

JIMENEZ: But that action, at the very least, you know, finding that homemade bomb.

KAYYEM: Yes.

JIMENEZ: -- a major step in itself.

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JIMENEZ: Yes.

KAYYEM: Anyone who knowingly gives money to ISIS knows what they're doing. And so the fact it was only $2,000 may just have to do with his means rather than -- his ability to do it, rather than his intent.

JIMENEZ: Yes. Juliette Kayyem, appreciate the insight as always. Thanks for being here.

KAYYEM: Thank you.

JIMENEZ: All right.

Coming up, President Trump fires the chief of labor stats after a much weaker than expected jobs report. We're going to have a discussion on the fallout coming up.

And there is a manhunt underway in Tennessee for a man suspected of killing four people and leaving a baby in a stranger's front yard.

And then we're going to take you to Rome. Hundreds of thousands of young people turn out to see the pope at what's known as the Catholic Woodstock. Yes. We'll explain.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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JIMENEZ: President Trump firing the top official behind the government's jobs numbers after a weak jobs report. Trump claimed online that the job numbers were, quote, "manipulated for political purposes".

Here's what he said he was pressed on the issue Friday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Going forward, why should anyone trust the numbers? And if you're --

TRUMP: You're right. No, you're right. Why should anybody trust numbers? I believe the numbers were phony, just like they were before the election. And there were other times. So you know what I did? I fired her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JIMENEZ: CNN global economic analyst Rana Foroohar joins us now. She's a columnist and associate editor at "The Financial Times", as well.

So, Rana, where does your mind go in your initial reaction to this and what we just heard from the president?

RANA FOROOHAR, CNN GLOBAL ECONOMIC ANALYST: Well, you know, it goes to the fact that a lot of countries -- China, Russia, Turkey -- you know, do these sorts of things. They fire people when they don't like what they have to say. This is one of the reasons that those countries don't attract a lot of overseas investors, and that people don't trust the data coming out from them. That has a big effect on their economies.

The U.S. now seems kind of unbelievably to be in that situation. Let's remember that the commissioner that Donald Trump fired was the same commissioner at the same commission that released good jobs figures that he was very happy about, you know, since April.

So this is -- it's random, it's a politicization of yet another role, Fed chair Jerome Powell's role being another, that really aren't political. They're not meant to be political. This is just about numbers. This is about math.

It's very worrisome to me. And I know it's very concerning to a lot of investors that this is happening.

JIMENEZ: What does diminished trust in the American economy or American economic indicators actually mean for the economy?

FOROOHAR: So it's a little bit like a drip, drip, drip. You know, sometimes you do a science experiment and you're dripping the blue dye in and it takes a little while for the water to turn blue, but eventually it does.

That's what this is like. You know, we've seen incredibly volatile politics. We've seen the politicization of the Fed, now of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you've got tariffs.

Investors are willing to take one, two, maybe three strikes but after a certain period of time, they start to pull back. And you can already see this in the U.S. bond market.

That sounds maybe like a wonky topic that people shouldn't care about. But every time the U.S. tries to sell treasury bills, tries to sell government debt, there are fewer and fewer foreign buyers that are coming in.

Ultimately, that means that the U.S. is starting to look more like, you know, not an A-grade market, but a B-grade market. And those kinds of markets tend to have higher borrowing rates. That's what gets us back to the average experience of Americans who

are ultimately going to have to pay the price in higher interest rates, in higher home loan rates.

I mean, this is -- this is where this kind of thing ends.

JIMENEZ: I want to ask about another topic, because this week, as President Trump -- as President Trump announced new steep tariffs. I think a lot of people this is more of a bigger picture question. A lot of people might look at our current economic picture on tariffs and say, hey, look, we're bringing in billions in tariff revenue. The economy isn't totally bad, even though after that first set of tariffs, many economists predicted we'd be in a much worse place.

Can you just contextualize where we are right now in regards to tariffs, and why the outlook in April is different or the same as to what it is now.

FOROOHAR: Yes, absolutely. And again, I would kind of use that drip, drip, drip metaphor. Tariffs aren't something -- the effects of tariffs I should say -- aren't something that happens overnight. They affect different parts of the country, different industries, different companies differently.

We saw a market reaction immediately after Liberation Day. Then there was this kind of sigh of relief because, oh, well, we're not really feeling it yet.

But the thing is, different industries, different sizes of companies are starting to feel it. Big companies are able to kind of handle this a little bit better. A lot of small and midsize companies that I talk to are really feeling the pressure, some of them going out of business, depending on what industry they're in.

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FOROOHAR: I suspect that in the next quarter, maybe next two quarters, consumers are going to be able to start to feel some of this pressure. Think about the fact that about half of goods, since Friday are now facing tariffs that they didn't have before. That is just simply going to raise prices.

It'll take time, but eventually we will feel it. And so it's something, you know, it's that proverbial frog in the -- in the pot that doesn't feel like its boiling until it is and it's too late. And that's where we are.

JIMENEZ: Full of metaphors today. Rana Foroohar appreciate you.

Drip, drip, drip, frog -- hey, they all work. They work. They work.

Appreciate you as always. Thanks for being here.

FOROOHAR: Thank you.

JIMENEZ: All right. We got a lot of news we are continuing to follow, including U.S. Special envoy Steve Witkoff meeting with families of hostages held by Hamas. We're going to tell you what he's telling them about the latest ceasefire negotiations between Israel and Hamas.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. Stay with us.

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JIMENEZ: Tonight, crowds gathered in Tel Aviv for an emergency protest. You see some of the images here -- calling for the release of the 50 hostages still being held in Gaza.

The protest follows the release of propaganda video showing emaciated Israelis still there. U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff met with the hostage families earlier today, and he reportedly told them cease fire negotiations between Israel and Hamas should be, "all or nothing."

We are joined now by CNN global affairs analyst and Axios correspondent, Barak Ravid.

So, Barak, what is the latest you're hearing? Is there any hope for a deal? Where are we?

BARAK RAVID, CNN POLITICAL AND GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: I think we're at a crossroads. That's the honest truth, because we're in a situation where, on the one hand, over the last several weeks, several months, there has been a negotiation over a partial deal, an incremental deal, to release 10 hostages in return for 60-day cease fire. Those negotiations reach a stalemate.

And on the other hand, President Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff, told today to hostage families in Tel Aviv that President Trump wants to shift the policy and move from this incremental deal to a comprehensive deal that brings the release of all the hostages at once, in return for not only a 60-day cease fire, but a total end to the war.

The thing is that Israeli officials I talked to say that there hasn't been a final decision of where to go in this crossroads, whether to go back to the incremental deal or move on to the -- to this new deal President Trump wants, a more comprehensive deal, and all for all deal to end the war.

JIMENEZ: And along those lines, look, Prime Minister Netanyahu has faced a lot of pressure internationally, but also internally within the country, politically. And I guess, along the lines of what you were just talking about, is there a political will? Do you sense right now to do a comprehensive deal and potentially signal an end to the war, or does that seem just too far down the road, too many steps ahead at this point?

RAVID: So, first, it was Benjamin Netanyahu, who first violated the previous deal when he resumed the war unilaterally in March, instead of negotiating a comprehensive deal. This is what was on the table at the time, a comprehensive deal, but he violated it and went back to an incremental deal. And I think that what Steve Witkoff said today is an acknowledgement that this policy that Netanyahu pushed for months has failed, and that we need to think about, you know, a new approach.

Netanyahu is under pressure internally, this horrific video that we saw Hamas releasing today of this hostage, Evyatar David in the tunnel, an emaciated human being that looks like -- when you look at this video, it's like you -- you're looking at videos from the Holocaust. And I think, this had profound influence on public opinion in Israel.

The fact is that more people came to the protest in Tel Aviv today than in a long, long time. And I think the pressure from the families, from the Israeli public will only grow, because in any poll over the last few weeks and months, there is a majority for ending the war in return for the release of the hostages.

And a poll done just yesterday, published just yesterday on Channel 12, showed that 52 percent of Israelis prefer a full deal, a comprehensive deal, that releases all the hostages in return for ending the war.

I think it says a lot on where the Israeli public is today. I'm not sure the Israeli government is in the same place.

JIMENEZ: And I believe, as your reporting last week, talking about, from the U.S. perspective, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, saying that they need a change in approach to Gaza. Is it your sense that this is that change of approach, rather than focusing on a shorter-term cease fire and trying to go for that more comprehensive deal?

RAVID: I think so, because Rubio also told hostage families that he always thought that the incremental approach was the wrong way to go, and that he thinks that the comprehensive deal needs to be the approach. But the question is not -- it's not only about whether it will be an incremental deal or a comprehensive deal.

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The question is whether President Trump, who wants to end the war, wants to release the hostages, it's a crucial issue for him. He feels about it personally. I know that from talking to numerous people around. The question is whether he is going to continue allowing Netanyahu to set the policy and follow Netanyahu down this policy, something that he did for six months and brought us to where we are right now, or whether President Trump is going to say, I want to end the war. I want to release the hostages. I am going to set the policy. I'm going to decide what's the route we're going to take, and Netanyahu will have to follow me, and not the other way around.

JIMENEZ: Well, we will see if there's any meaningful progress on that front.

Barak Ravid, I appreciate the time reporting as always.

RAVID: Thank you.

JIMENEZ: All right, coming up, here in the United States, police in Tennessee are looking for this man. Here. Suspected of killing four people and abandoning a baby. We're going to have a live report, next.

And then, the new original series, "AMERICAN PRINCE: JFK JR..", follows the story and lasting legacy of John F. Kennedy Jr., from his early years marked by his father's assassination to his decision to create the political magazine, "George" and his iconic love story with Carolyn Bessette. Here is a preview.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was pretty much the most famous guy in the world.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: John became the biggest celebrity in America when he was conceived.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The boy who would be king.

JOHN F. KENNEDY JR., FORMER AMERICAN ATTORNEY, MAGAZINE PUBLISHER: Hello, I'm John Kennedy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a pressure you're a Kennedy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: John was just like a little bit more of a free spirit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mom was a cultural icon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jackie had raised John to be media savvy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wanted to maybe break some rules, and then he Did.

KENNEDY: Ladies and gentlemen, meet "George".

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was like the number one pin up in the world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carolyn Bessette, she made John more attractive, and John made her more attractive.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They don't know the real story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are so many people who wanted John to fail. There was enormous pressure.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They wanted quotes, they wanted scandal. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He would be followed more than I was followed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In John Kennedy Jr., there is less room for error.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's very good to be the son of a legend.

KENNEDY: It's complicated.

ANNOUNCER: "AMERICAN PRINCE: JFK JR", premieres Saturday, August 9th on CNN.

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JIMENEZ: We're following news on this manhunt in Tennessee, where officials are looking for the man they say killed four people. The victims' bodies were discovered hours after a 7-month-old baby related to them was found almost 40 miles away. The baby had been abandoned in a car seat, but was alive despite the sweltering heat.

Investigators say warrants are out for 28-year-old Austin Drummond. He's wanted on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated kidnapping and other charges related to the killings.

CNN correspondent Rafael Romo is here with more details. We understand a second vehicle has now been found in connection with the case. What are you learning?

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right, Omar. That's the big development today, and what officials in Tennessee say they want people to know right now is that the suspect is still at large and could be dangerous. Court records show the suspect has a criminal record that includes a 10-year sentence for a 2013 aggravated robbery. And the concern for officials in Tennessee and the public is that he is still at large.

The vehicle the suspect was believed to be driving, a white 2016 Audi was found it unoccupied in Jackson, Tennessee. That's more than 70 miles away, Omar, from Tiptonville, where the bodies of the victims were found. The suspect has been identified as 28-year-old Austin Robert Drummond, by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. He is Five- feet, 10 inches tall, weighs 190 pounds, and has brown hair, blue eyes and a goatee, according to the TBI.

Drummond is accused of killing four relatives of a Tennessee baby, who was found abandoned alive in sweltering heat on Tuesday in a car seat in what authorities describe as a random front yard near the Dyer County community of Tigrett, nearly a 40-mile drive southeast of Tiptonville, where the bodies were found.

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DANNY GOODMAN, 29TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY GENERAL: We are dealing with an extremely violent individual.

This was what we would think is an isolated incident. It's not anything to where we think the community is in danger because of a person who may be out here randomly targeting people, because we don't think that's the case at all.

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ROMO: District Attorney Danny Goodman also said the victims were all from Dyer County, and they suspect the suspect knew all of them. He also confirmed that two of the victims, 21-year-old, James Wilson and 20-year-old Adriana Williams, were the parents of the baby who was found abandoned in Dyer County.

38-year-old Cortney Rose and Braden Williams, a teenager, were also killed.

TBI director, David Rausch says it appears the suspect, even after allegedly killing four people, had some compassion for the baby.

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GOODMAN: We are dealing with. an extremely violent individual.

This was what we would think is an isolated incident. It's not anything to where we think the community is in danger because of a person who may be out here randomly targeting people, because we don't think that's the case at all.

DAVID RAUSCH, DIRECTOR, TENEESSE: Yes, they brought attention. When they dropped the child off, brought attention, there were people nearby, and so, brought attention to those people to come and get the child.

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ROMO: And finally, Omar, the Youth Marshal Service and TBI are offering a joint $15,000 reward for any information leading to Drummond's arrest. Now, back to you.

JIMENEZ: All right. Rafael Romo, appreciate the reporting. We'll continue to follow that story. We're also following another manhunt happening in Montana, where officials are searching for a suspect they say killed four people at a bar in the town of Anaconda on Friday morning.

Investigators released this picture from a security camera, which they say shows suspect, Michael Brown. I believe we have that picture. There you go, right there, showing suspect Michael Brown, as authorities say, fleeing the scene. And we learned just moments ago, the suspect served in the U.S. Army and Montana National Guard.

Now, officials also say they have located the truck, the suspect used to drive away, and witnesses say Brown lived next door to the bar and would come in pretty frequently. Their search -- police are searching by air and ground, and say the suspect should be considered armed and dangerous.

All right, we are continuing to follow a lot of stories, including what is being dubbed a Catholic Woodstock and a Youth Jubilee with an appearance from the pope. And it's attracting hundreds of thousands of young people. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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JIMENEZ: It's being dubbed the Catholic Woodstock.

Pope Leo, making a surprise appearance before a huge crowd estimated at 100,000 at the Jubilee of Youth this week. I think that qualifies him as being the headliner.

CNN Vatican correspondent Christopher Lamb was in the crowds and filed this report.

CHRISTOPHER LAMB, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Pope Leo is now addressing the crowd of hundreds of thousands of young people who gathered here for this vigil with first American Pope. He is being asked questions by young people, and he is replying to them in mixture of Spanish, Italian, and English.

This is the first major gathering between this pope and young people. He's been in office, Leo XIV for less than a hundred days, and this is kind of a test for him as he seeks to engage with young people. Leo was given a kind of rock star welcome when he arrived this evening on the popemobile, he toured the ground here for a long time to greet as many people as he could. And, of course, pilgrims have come from across the world to be with Pope Leo, for this important gathering of young people.

They have been meeting in Rome for the past week, but the highlight is taking place now this evening, on Saturday, with this vigil led by Pope Leo as he's addressing now a crowd of young people who are listening to him and often breaking into applause as they hear him talking about things such as friendship, peace, dealing with how to navigate social media.

So, Leo, tackling a number of topics, facing young people today, here, gathered in Rome.

Christopher Lamb, CNN, Tor Vergata, Rome.

JIMENEZ: Christopher Lamb, seeing the headliner pope in person. Appreciate the reporting.

All right. Street life led him to spend years in prison. But for more than 10 years now, CNN Hero, Tyrique Glasgow has dedicated his life to his neighborhood in South Philadelphia. His nonprofit provides crucial resources to his community. And for the last five years, he's also worked on another more symbolic effort. Now, when his neighbors walk down the street, they say -- they see proof that change is possible.

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JIMENEZ (voice over): For more than a decade, CNN hero Tyrique Glasgow has been a positive force in his South Philly neighborhood, providing residents with hot meals, youth programs and vital resources.

TYRIQUE GLASGOW, FOUNDER, THE YOUNG CHANCES FOUNDATION: How many people need school supplies?

JIMENEZ (voice over): In 2020, he learned that a local street honored Roger Taney, the U.S. Supreme Court Justice who wrote the Dred Scott Decision. This now infamous opinion, said black Americans were inferior and had no constitutional rights.

GLASGOW: He basically said that we're not as equal to everyone else in the country.

JIMENEZ (voice over): Taney Street also loomed large in Glasgow's own past.

GLASGOW: Sold drugs on Taney Street, got shot on Taney Street, everything in a negative handbook.

JIMENEZ (voice over): He soon joined the Rename Taney Coalition.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We told him what we were trying to do, and because he's Tyrique, he can get stuff done. And the ball really started rolling when he got involved. Thank God.

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GLASGOW: I decided to make that one of our staples in our organization. For us, it was about, how do we change tomorrow?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We went door to door and got petitions. We did a parade, anything that we could do to educate people.

JIMENEZ: Residents also decided who the street should honor.

GLASGOW: They chose Caroline LeCount, who is basically our Philadelphia Rosa Parks.

JIMENEZ: A teacher and activist, LeCount fought to integrate the city's street cars in the 1860s. Glasgow spread the word about her contributions.

GLASGOW: The coloring book gave some background on that. She was someone that I respect.

JIMENEZ: Despite strong public support, changing the name took more than five years. Finally, last November, the city council took action.

Weeks later, the mayor made it official.

CHERELLE PARKER, MAYOR OF PHILADELPHIA: Philadelphia just changed the course of history in our city.

JIMENEZ: Soon, Taney Street was no more.

GLASGOW: To see it come down, but to put someone up there that respected our life makes me feel proud. She is the first black woman to have a street named in the city of Philadelphia. It really made me see that it takes time, but it's the legacy that you leave behind that's important.

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JIMENEZ (on camera): To find out more about Tyrique and his inspiring efforts, go to cnn.com/heroes. We'll be right back.

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