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Manhunt For Suspect In Deadly Montana Bar Shooting; Manhunt Underway for Tennessee Murders; Harrowing Moments Inside NYC Building As Mass Shooting Unfolded; Days Of Downpours Create Flooding Risk; Israel: 136 Aid Packages Dropped Into Gaza By Coalition Of Countries; Fresh Protests Erupt Over Humanitarian Crisis In Gaza; American Woman Follows Deported Husband To Mexico; Cory Booker To Dems: Don't "Bend The Knee To Trump". Aired 2-3p ET

Aired August 03, 2025 - 14:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: Hello, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me this Sunday. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

We begin this hour with breaking news out of Montana, where a manhunt for a suspect accused of fatally shooting four people at a bar is now expanding. The niece of Michael Paul Brown says the 45-year-old Army veteran suffers from mental illness, which she says deteriorated after the death of his parents.

Authorities have now locked down parts of a national forest near the crime scene, as search teams combed the area by land and air. Local law enforcement is warning the public to stay alert as Brown is considered armed and extremely dangerous.

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AUSTIN KNUDSEN, MONTANA ATTORNEY GENERAL: The vehicle he ended up grabbing was loaded full of equipment. It was not his vehicle, it was a stolen vehicle, but there was camping equipment in it. We believe there was some clothing in it.

So we at this point, we have every reason to believe the suspect is fully clothed, shoes on his feet, able to get around. We are acting under the assumption that he is alive, well-armed and extremely dangerous.

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WHITFIELD: CNN correspondent Julia Vargas Jones has the latest developments on this. Julia, what more are you learning about the victims, in particular?

JULIA VARGAS JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we are learning -- we just heard there from authorities, Fred, these victims that were in that bar, the Owl Bar, very close next door to the suspect's house. Now, it's been more than 48 hours of searching for this man in western

Montana. They locked down that area of Barker Lake and the surrounding area. It's a national forest called The Beaverhead Deer Lodge. It's a heavily-wooded part of Montana, and that presents its own challenges.

But the attorney general said just moments ago that those search teams have a wealth of information. They have every cabin, every hunting site pinned there and a tremendous number of assets, both local, state and federal agencies working on this, on land, on air.

But Mr. Brown is believed to be armed and extremely dangerous. They're now offering a reward, Fred, of $7,500 for any information that will lead to his location.

Take a listen.

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KNUDSEN: We want to find this guy. This is a dangerous individual who has committed an absolutely heinous crime against this community and these victims.

Absolutely there's concerns he might come back into town. This is this -- by all indications, this is an unstable individual who walked in and murdered four people in cold blood for no reason whatsoever.

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JONES: Now, Brown is a U.S. Army veteran, and he was part of an armored vehicle crew in the U.S. Army from January 2001 to 2005. and he was deployed to Iraq from February to March 2005. He later joined the Montana National Guard from April 2006 to 2009, and left his military service as a sergeant.

Now we also spoke to his niece, Claire Boyle. She told CNN that her uncle struggled with mental health and that he wasn't the same after his service. She said that his condition worsened after his parents passed, but described him as very sick, but said that she also had some happy moments with him, like learning to ride a bike and going fishing.

She also expressed remorse and heartbreak, Fred, for the victims' families, saying that she acknowledge that all those five families were destroyed on Friday.

Those victims we're now learning were 59-year-old Daniel Edwin Bailie, 64-year-old Nancy Loretta Kelly who was the bartender at the Owl Bar on Friday, 70-year-old David Allen Leach and 74-year-old Tony Wayne Palmer. All of those were residents of the town of Anaconda.

WHITFIELD: All right. Keep us posted as you learn more. Julia Vargas Jones, thanks so much.

All right. And then in Tennessee, authorities have arrested two men and charged them with helping a suspect who is wanted in the deaths of four people. Tanika Brown and Giovante Thomas, each 29 years old, are charged with accessory after the fact to first degree murder. Brown is also charged with tampering with evidence.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation did not specify what evidence led to these charges.

The arrests come as investigators continue to search for Austin Drummond in connection with the deaths of four people on Tuesday.

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WHITFIELD: Their bodies were discovered hours after two of the victims' seven-month-old baby girl, was found alive and abandoned in a car seat in a random front yard.

The TBI has not said what led investigators to identify Drummond as a suspect or a potential motive for the killings. Officials warn residents not to engage with the suspect, who they call extremely violent.

All right. We're also getting new details about the terrifying minutes inside a Manhattan office building when a mass shooting unfolded there on Monday.

Within a minute of entering the lobby, police say 27-year-old Shane Devon Tamura opened fire on a police officer, then shot at three others before disappearing inside the building. In all, four people died, one was injured. It would mark the city's deadliest shooting in 25 years.

CNN chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst John Miller is joining me right now with more on all this and what you're learning, John.

So we're learning new details about, you know, what exactly unfolded when Tamura got to the 33rd floor. What have you learned?

JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: Well, we've been talking to investigators who have been literally putting together the strands, the threads, the pieces of what occurred here, retracing the gunman's steps, looking at the videos. And we've learned a little bit more about how this unfolded.

We know he goes in and he opens fire first on the police officer in the lobby. Then hits an NFL employee who survived after killing the police officer, then kills a woman who works for Blackstone, Wesley and Mr. Etienne, the security guard. But then he disappears into the elevator.

And look at this building. Its massive, you know. It's 42 stories, built in 1969. When somebody with a long rifle disappears into a labyrinth of elevators and banks, floors and hallways he ends up getting into the elevator that is not going to the one he wants to go to, which is the NFL.

He presses the lowest floor in that bank, and that lets him out on 33, which is actually Rudin Management, the building management company. From there, we learned he opens fire after finding the doors on either

side of the elevator bank locked. They're locked and there's a glass wall. So he opens fire, kicks his way through the glass into the office space, and spots a cleaning lady. Now that's Sebije Nelovic. He opens fire on her, but he's a distance away. Most of his shooting he's doing from the hip. He's not bringing the rifle up and siting it in. He's kind of spraying.

And she is fired upon, she flees, she finds a closet, locks herself in.

And then from the video, according to law enforcement sources who have seen it many times now, he goes into what they call hunting behavior. He is stalking the offices now, which are largely empty.

A male employee who hears the shooting runs to the men's room. And one of the things about Rudin Management, Fred, is that they had made safe rooms out of the men's room and the ladies' room. Kevlar lined walls, lead doors, slide bolts that would lock in, and a TV screen inside the bathroom so you could see a panoramic view of the hallway, a dedicated phone line so you could call out on the idea that if people were trapped in there during some kind of active shooter and they did active shooter drills for the employees, this is something Rudin Management paid a lot of attention to.

WHITFIELD: Yes.

MILLER: But one of these victims, Julia Hyman, 27 years old, employee of Rudin Management, it appears that she was already in the ladies' room, possibly when the shots are fired, and may have not because of the lead door and the lined walls may have not heard clearly that there were shots fired or seen anything on the screen.

But she opens the door, comes out. She doesn't know that the gunman is there, and he is several feet behind her, opens fire and kills her there. On that floor, they found 24 shell casings; in the lobby, 23 shell casings.

WHITFIELD: I mean, that's extraordinary. And I mean, just aside, it's extraordinary that this business also had the wherewithal to have that kind of security, those safe places in place. That's unusual, though, isn't it?

MILLER: It is. And, you know, they had planned for this. And so had the NYPD. Back when I was in the NYPD, we examined the Bataclan Theater attack in Paris, where they hit multiple locations first. We examined the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris, where they attacked the newspaper office with active shooters. And we examined the Mumbai attacks, where they attacked multiple hotels, the train stations, set fires, and we built a system where we would be able to respond in layers.

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MILLER: So when you look at the response to what happened at 345 Park Avenue, number one, the cops did what they're supposed to do. They moved in and they started to hunt for the gunman.

Number two, when the SWAT team, ESU Emergency Service Unit got there, they were able to pull the regular police officers out and organized a systematic, heavy weapons team to look for that gunman by exploiting the buildings video systems. Figure out what does he look like? Get his picture out. Send it out to every cop in the city, every cop in this building, every cop outside in case he tries to evacuate with victims.

The strategic response command came in as a second front of a long -- a long weapons team. And their job was to establish a safe corridor, a warm zone outside the hot zone, where they could actually get to the wounded, get to the dying and move them with medical personnel and force protection out.

And technology played a part. I think we have a map that shows some photos, but as soon as they realized that was the gunman's car, they were able to not just look at the New York network of license plate cameras, but they were able to run that plate and trace it through license plate cameras that spotted it first, you know, on route 80 in Loma, Colorado, then in Wolcott, Indiana, then in Columbia, New Jersey at 4:24 p.m.

Then as it came into the city and at the same time develop a tremendous amount of background and biographical data about the person who was registered owner of that car, to give them an idea of who are we looking for, what are the issues involved, and so on. And of course, in the car they found additional weapons and hundreds more rounds.

So we've learned a lot in the last few days about the shooting. We were aware of and its terrible, tragic details. But in how many wheels were turning in so many directions as the NYPD switched on technology training practice to take this on.

WHITFIELD: Sure, those maps and the evidence all underscoring the lengths in which it appears the suspect went and really appreciate that added information about the preparedness and where we are.

I mean, it really says a lot about the state of affairs, not just in this country or really globally as it pertains to security measures being put in place at office buildings all around the world.

John Miller, thank you so much.

MILLER: Well, you've covered so many of these. You understand it.

WHITFIELD: Yes. Oh, absolutely. Thank you so much. Always enjoy your expertise. Appreciate it.

All right. Coming up, unrelenting rain hitting parts of the southeast. The areas under flash flood warnings right now.

Plus, when her husband was deported, she followed him to Mexico. The Utah woman whose story of rebuilding her life in rural Mexico has made her a viral TikTok star. And quote, "don't bend the knee". Democratic Senator Cory Booker speaks one on one with CNN. The message to his party about Democrats' credibility and 2028.

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SEN. CORY BOOKER (D-NY): This is a moment in history where people are going to ask, where did you stand? Did you bow to an authoritarian leader, or did you stand strong and fight?

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WHITFIELD: All right. The National Park Service is investigating a tragic automobile vehicle crash in Alaska. A 24-year-old driver from Bulgaria was killed and his passenger injured after their car hit a moose near the entrance to Denali National Park. It happened around 1 a.m. Friday morning.

The park says the collision quote "serves as a sobering reminder of the hazards of wildlife along Alaska's highways", end quote.

It is urging drivers to slow down in dark conditions and use their high beam headlights.

And days of downpours are creating a risk for flooding across parts of the southeast. Meteorologist Allison Chinchar has more on that and the latest forecast across the U.S.

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ALLISON CHINCHAR, AMS METEOROLOGIST: We have two separate areas that we are keeping an eye out for the potential for flooding. One across areas of the Southern Plains, including Texas and Oklahoma. The other is across portions of the southeast. And this has been an area that has just been inundated with a tremendous amount of rain over the last several days.

And now, even as we head into the evening tonight, we're still going to continue to see a lot of moisture across this area. Widespread totals likely one to three inches of rain. But some spots could pick up slightly higher than that.

And it's all thanks to this cold front. But the cold front is also bringing all of this blue color, indicating temperatures that are well below average for this time of year.

Take a look at this. Charleston, normally 91 degrees, they're going to be in the 80s the next several days. Charlotte and Atlanta also supposed to be 90 degrees. They're going to have some days in the 70s. So again, well below average.

Washington, D.C.'s average high is 89. They are going to spend every single one of the next seven days below that normal high.

Chicago a little bit different. You're going to see those temperatures start to spike as we head later on into the week. But at least the next few days, those temperatures are going to be fantastic.

It does, however, come with the caveat of some wildfire smoke. We've got that change in wind direction, and so it's bringing a lot of that smoke down from the Canadian wildfires, not just to Chicago, but much of the Midwest.

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CHINCHAR: And now we're starting to see more of that infiltrate into portions of the northeast, too.

And it's not just Sunday. Even as we spread (ph) into Monday, look at all of that wildfire smoke that just kind of lingers across areas of the northeast, as well as portions of the Midwest.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Allison Chinchar, thanks so much.

Coming up, a massive demonstration over the fate of the hostages held in Gaza. Tens of thousands pouring into the streets of Tel Aviv, calling for their immediate release. We'll take you there.

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WHITFIELD: All right.

New today Israel says 136 aid packages were dropped into Gaza by a coalition of countries. Jordan, Belgium and Egypt taking part in today's airdrop.

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WHITFIELD: For the past week, countries have been dropping aid directly into Gaza to bypass border crossings. Gaza health officials say 13 more Palestinians have died from malnutrition in just the last two days.

We're also seeing new protests erupt over the crisis in Gaza.

CNN's Barbie Latza Nadeau has the story.

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BARBIE LATZA NADEAU, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Anger continues to build around the world over the dire situation in Gaza. In Tel Aviv, thousands of people protested Saturday after Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad released propaganda videos showing emaciated hostages in clearly fragile conditions causing outrage domestically and internationally.

The brother of Israeli hostage Evyatar David shown in the video digging a hole he says is his own grave made this plea to U.S. President Donald Trump to do whatever he could to free them.

RAY DAVID, BROTHER OF EVYATAR DAVID: Hamas is using Evyatar in one of the most horrific and calculated campaigns of cruelty imaginable. A live hunger experiment.

We are begging the government of Israel, the people of Israel, every nation of this world, and especially, President Trump, the president of the United States. You have. the power. You must do everything in your power by any means necessary to save Evyatar and Guy (ph) and the rest of the captives.

NADEAU: Elsewhere, people gathered to protest the growing humanitarian catastrophe and seemingly endless military attacks on civilian Palestinians inside the Strip, calling for a ceasefire.

In Sydney, Australia tens of thousands of people marched for peace and aid in Gaza on Sunday amid reports of continuing starvation and the difficulty getting aid.

As aid trickles in, the Palestinian Red Crescent said Israeli strikes hit their headquarters in Gaza on Sunday, killing at least one staff member, underscoring the risk to those desperately needing help and those who are risking their lives to provide it.

Barbie Latza Nadeau, CNN -- Rome.

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WHITFIELD: Barbie, thank you so much.

Let's continue this conversation now. With us now is Dr. Amber Alayyan, she is the deputy program manager for Palestine at Doctors Without Borders and directly manages the group's operations in Gaza. So good to see you, Doctor.

So we just saw that there were more airdrops today. What kind of effect do you think that is having? What kind of impact is it making?

DR. AMBER ALAYYAN, DEPUTY PROGRAM MANAGER PALESTINE, DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS: No pun intended, it's a drop in the bucket. There's two million people in Gaza, so to drop a few hundred packages doesn't really touch them. And I mean, it's just -- it's -- it -- well, like I said it doesn't touch the mass need and it's more of a -- it's a publicity stunt more than anything.

WHITFIELD: For those who are on the ground able to get, you know, to those packages, is there a way you can kind of describe what you have seen in some of the images of people trying to open them, get to them?

I mean, just the frenzy of trying to get some of what is, you know, dropping in.

ALAYYAN: Again, it's over 100 packages. It's not -- it's not anything to touch -- the people who are going to go they're going to run and there's going to be, you know, stampedes of people trying to rush to get because the people are rushed to get the supplies because they're desperate.

But again, it's nothing like what is waiting on the border for the population from the other aid agencies that are prepared to do this in a more organized fashion, as they've done for decades.

WHITFIELD: Do you have any hope that any of what is at the borders, those truckloads of food, aid, are ever going to make it in?

ALAYYAN: I mean, my hope is relying on the U.S. Government standing up and saying, actually, our aid to Israel is contingent on the idea that -- our military aid to Israel is contingent on the idea that you allow humanitarian aid in. And I do feel that the U.S. government is the -- is the main government with that kind of position and that kind of leverage and it's within our own laws. And Israel is not following our own laws. We're not -- and were not upholding them.

WHITFIELD: What will it take, do you think, for the U.S. to use that leverage that you describe?

ALAYYAN: Congressmen and women standing up and -- and the president standing up and saying, actually, these are signed agreements. This is what are -- we are legally bound to provide this aid. You must do this, or we don't continue to supply you with military aid. We don't continue to fund the war that we've been funding for two years.

WHITFIELD: Another 13 people died from malnutrition in Gaza in just the last two days, including children, according to the Palestinian health ministry.

As a pediatrician, what are your concerns for the children in in Gaza both immediately and long term?

ALAYYAN: So malnutrition is a medical term. It's a medical state. It's a -- it's a -- it's effectively a disease and so it needs to be treated accordingly. And there are certain protocols and ways to treat malnutrition and what it is at the level of severe, acute malnutrition.

What we're seeing is like 25 percent of the population that we're seeing in our clinics are malnourished.

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And then our numbers of severe acute malnutrition have quadrupled over the last couple of months. So this is really significant in the sense that you have to be able to treat these with proper formulas, proper nutrition supplement, which we don't have access to because we can't get them across the border.

And it's problematic not only for the acute term. So these children can die. These pregnant women can die, these elderly people can die, but also long term, there are huge ramifications for children who suffered from -- from malnutrition.

WHITFIELD: Dr. Amber Alayyan, thank you so much for your time. All the best in your continued efforts and the continued efforts of your group to try to offer as much aid and assistance as you can.

ALAYYAN: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Straight ahead.

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CANDICE MARIE GARCIA SANCHEZ, WIFE OF DEPORTED MIGRANT: Good afternoon from Mexico. My name is Candice, and in 2016, my husband was deported from the United States.

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WHITFIELD: That's Candice from Utah, chronicling her journey of being an American living now in rural Mexico. Why her message on immigration is getting millions of views on TikTok.

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WHITFIELD: All right. When her husband was deported almost a decade ago, Candice Sanchez Garcia, who is American, made a tough decision to give up her life in the U.S. and moved to her husband's native Mexico. But recently, as the Trump administration ramps up its immigration crackdown, people have turned to her and her hugely popular TikTok page for advice.

Here's CNN's Rafael Romo.

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GARCIA SANCHEZ: Neither of us, I feel like, knew what to expect.

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is what building a life together sounds like, a life she never imagined she would have.

GARCIA SANCHEZ: Candice Marie Garcia Sanchez. I'm originally from Utah.

ROMO: In the countryside, surrounded by farm animals in far, far away from home.

GARCIA SANCHEZ: My husband was picked up by immigration. He did have a record in the United States, and he was set for deportation. We tried to fight it for a little over a year, and at the -- towards the end of it, we made the decision that we were going to move with him instead.

ROMO: You heard that right for Candice Marie Garcia Sanchez breaking Gup the family after her Mexican husband was deported nine years ago was not an option, so she decided to leave everything behind and move with their firstborn to her husband's native country, where life is slower and traffic jams do not necessarily involve motor vehicles.

GARCIA SANCHEZ: Fast forward to now. I feel like we're just living our happy lives and raising our children in a beautiful place, and we get to just focus on our family. Thats, you know, what we always wanted.

ROMO: Five years ago, she made a decision that has turned a traumatic deportation --

GARCIA SANCHEZ: Good afternoon from Mexico. My name is Candice, and in 2016, my husband was deported from the United States.

ROMO: -- into a learning lesson. She now shares with the world by going public on social media.

GARCIA SANCHEZ: Overall, it has been an extremely positive experience for us. We've met. We've met so many incredible families that unfortunately are in the same kind of situation or similar situation as us.

ROMO: Her posts range from daily life in rural Mexico, where two other children were born --

GARCIA SANCHEZ: And today, when I went to the plaza, I found this beautiful girl.

ROMO: -- to the hot topic of immigration.

GARCIA SANCHEZ: Now there's no getting around it. Deportation is political.

ROMO: She may not live in the United States anymore, but Candice says she has continued to exercise her right to vote from abroad. In a recent post on TikTok, she said she voted against Donald Trump, but makes it clear she thinks immigration is an issue. Both parties have mishandled.

GARCIA SANCHEZ: I do believe that both sides have made promises that they haven't kept, even though I've lived in Mexico for eight years. I do vote in every election.

ROMO: She has been successful beyond her dreams. She now has more than 1.5 million followers on TikTok and growing. Meanwhile, her husband, who worked construction in the United States for 18 years, focuses on building the home of their dreams. A farmhouse overlooking the fields his family has owned for generations.

She left a comfortable life in the United States to join me in Mexico, Fidel says. Everything I do, I do it for her and our children.

The family is now looking forward to one of the most American of holidays, Thanksgiving. That's when they're hoping they will be able to move into their new home.

Rafael Romo, CNN Atlanta.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Coming up next, a former vice president and Democratic presidential nominee, Kamala Harris, says she's in no rush to run for political office again. We'll talk with a political insider about what could be next for Harris and the Democratic Party.

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WHITFIELD: As Democrats try to figure out their path forward in President Trump's second term, one of the party's top voices has this advice: don't bend the knee.

CNN's Manu Raju is here with more on what Senator Cory Booker says Democrats need to do to regain trust with voters.

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MANU RAJU, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Fred, Democrats are going through a bit of an identity crisis of sorts. They've seen their public polling really at rock bottom at all time lows. They have been unable to really find their footing during this era of Donald Trump's presidency.

And there's this debate over tactics we saw that erupt on the Senate floor last week when Cory Booker blocked efforts by Democrats to who are working with Republicans on policing bills. Booker had an objection to how those bills would be would impact his state.

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SEN. CORY BOOKER (D-NJ): Standing for Jersey --

RAJU: In particular, concerns about how he says grant money for public safety funds are not going to states like his own because they are not falling in line behind the Trump agenda.

And his larger argument to me was that Democrats need to essentially not bend their knee, as he said to Donald Trump, not just Democrats, he said, but institutions, too, that are feeling pressure from Donald Trump's use of executive power. He's urging them to push back.

BOOKER: What I want to see more people doing is. Not doing what some law firms have done. Bend the knee to Donald Trump, not doing what some universities have done. Bend the knee to Donald Trump. We see major corporations who want some merger approval not standing up on principle, but bending the knee to Donald Trump.

That, to me, is outrageous. History is going to remember these people for their complicity in what is a guy that's going to severely try to undermine our government, who already incited a riot on our capitol? This is a moment in history where people are going to ask, where did you stand? Did you bow to an authoritarian leader, or did you stand strong and fight?

I'm sick of the gerrymandering, but if Donald Trump is going to push to gerrymander Texas, he's going to break the rules in order to win. He can't win by the rules they are right now. So, he thinks you should break the rules for Democrats to sit back and just say, okay, we're going to play by the rules. No, I'm telling you right now, we need to win in the midterm. We need

to stop him from cheating, from lying, and from stealing the election. And if they're doing something to add their congressional seats, we need to look at our ways of doing that.

RAJU: And as part of what he told me to, he wants his state, New Jersey, to very much move forward with the idea of redrawing maps in the United States House for -- because of what's happening in Texas. Were seeing Texas Republicans change how their district lines are drawn there in order to try to add five more Republican seats in next years midterms, as being pushed by Donald Trump. Typically, that happens at the beginning of a decade to reflect a new census. Trump wants to turn now to help his party in the midterms.

Now you're hearing booker there say very clearly he wants his blue states, blue state of New Jersey. The Democrats there to do the same, respond in kind to try to add Democratic seats in the United States house in the next years midterms shows you the larger fight within the party, larger debate within the party, how to respond to Trump.

And in that instance, Booker is saying, let's go toe to toe and push back directly against the president's efforts in Texas -- Fred.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Manu Raju, thanks so much.

All right. Let's discuss that and more now with former Ohio Democratic State Senator Nina Turner. She was also a co-chair of Bernie Sanders' 2020 presidential campaign.

Nina, always great to see you.

NINA TURNER, CO-CHAIR, BERNIE SANDERS' 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You, too, Fred.

WHITFIELD: So, Senator Booker, you know, argues Democrats need to be more concerned about the American people rather than with the party. So, when Democrats listen to voters, what are they hearing?

TURNER: I mean, certainly, Fred, I just came from South Carolina. I was in Mullins. I went to Columbia, just all over the state. And people are really fed up with politics as usual. They want fresh ideas. They want people to show courage and conviction.

And while I'm glad to see this fire from Senator Booker, I wish he had had that same kind of fire when we should have had a Democratic primary, and maybe we would not be in the situation that we are in right now. Of course, Democrats have to fight politics with politics when it comes to the gerrymandering. But who -- the people who are going to lose are the voters, because no matter if the Republicans are doing it or the Democrats are doing it, Fred, the voters are going to lose because elected officials get to pick their voters instead of voters picking their elected officials.

The Democratic Party could have avoided all of this by not allowing President Donald J. Trump to have the second term. So there needs to be some introspection with all of that anger and emotion and fire about what the Democratic Party could have done differently. They lost the popular vote for the first time in 20 years, and also lost the Electoral College. So, the same leaders who got us in this mess are not the leaders to get us out.

WHITFIELD: All right., So you're not liking the way things transpired with Biden even stepping out. And then Kamala Harris stepping in. And you know, since we are talking about then, you know, the former vice president did address this week that she was not going to run for governor of California.

Listen to how she explained her decision to Stephen Colbert.

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KAMALA HARRIS, FORMER U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: When I was a young, young in my career, I had to defend my decision to become a prosecutor with my family. And one of the points that I made is, why is it then, when we think we want to improve a system or change it, that we're always on the outside, on bended knee, or trying to break down the door?

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Shouldn't we also be inside the system? And that has been my career and recently I made the decision that I just for now, I don't want to go back in the system. I think it's broken.

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WHITFIELD: And what do you think she means by that? The system is broken. And do you agree?

TURNER: Well, I certainly agree with the vice president that the system is broken. But it didn't -- it didn't just start to be broken. It was broken when her and President Biden was there. It was broken even before them.

So, what she is saying is correct. But how the Democrats responded when they had all the levers of power, both houses of both chambers of the Congress and also the presidency of the United States of America, they didn't do anything that was particularly bold. And so, I understand exactly what she's saying. But she, along with others who were involved in allowing President Donald J. Trump to win this term, again, have to have some introspection.

It's just not enough to blame what is happening on the GOP as they are leveraging powers in ways that the Democratic Party never had, the heart or the intestinal fortitude to do. So moving forward, what will the Democratic Party do differently to animate the base, to lift up and change material conditions for people in this country, and to leverage power for the good? They did not do that, Fred, and that is why they did not win.

WHITFIELD: All right. Nina Turner, we're going to leave it there for now. Thank you so much. Please come back. It's been a while. TURNER: Absolutely, it has.

WHITFIELD: All right. Good to see you.

All right. A search continues today for a man accused of shooting and killing four people in a busy Montana bar. The new information being provided by law enforcement and a family member.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Forty years ago this summer, the biggest rock stars in the world performed together at a landmark music event to raise money for famine relief in Africa.

CNN's Bill Weir sat down with Band Aid Trust co-founder and musician Bob Geldof to discuss what led him to organize the legendary concert series and how his activism has continued.

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BILL WEIR, CNN CHIEF CLIMATE CORRESPONDENT (voice over): In 1985, Bob Geldof sat down to watch the 6:00 BBC newscast in London.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our correspondent Michael Buerk has been back to Korem.

WEIR: And little did he know that what he was about to watch would change his life and career forever. His first glimpse of widespread famine in Ethiopia.

BOB GELDOF, POLITICAL ACTIVIST: These elegant human beings, all that intellect, all that possibility, dying of hunger in biblical numbers. That's what he said, a biblical famine of biblical proportions.

My partner began to cry. Not sob. I looked around to see and had just tears. And she grabbed our baby and ran upstairs, almost as if she didn't want this infant to see the world that she was going to be in.

WEIR: The next day, Bob called his friends across the music industry and convinced them to do something, to make a record to raise money for famine relief.

GELDOF: So, by the end of the day we had The Rats, Ultravox, Spandau Ballet, The Police and probably Duran Duran. Everyone felt the shame, the disgust, the rage, and the frustration of not being able to do something. It isn't enough just to find a charity box and do that.

And so that Christmas, that seven-inch piece of plastic became the price of a life.

WEIR: They sold over 11 million copies of that record and raised more than 125 million with Live Aid, concerts that took place across London and Philadelphia, with headliners that included Queen, David Bowie, U2 and many more. And a second charity concert called Live Eight in 2005, Geldof committed himself to a life of activism.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You both have a lot of money, both have a lot of fame. You don't need to be doing this. You don't need to be sitting in these meetings on and on and on having a world leader fall asleep on you. Why in the world are you doing it?

GELDOF: Usually he falls asleep. Because it works. Poco, poco (ph). Those terrible pictures that you rightly show on CNN. You look at that.

The pornography of poverty trolling across America's tea time tables every night. And people say, it's hopeless. Nothing can be done.

Wrong. We've been doing it 20 years. It does change it.

WEIR: Bill Weir, CNN, New York.

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WHITFIELD: And be sure to tune in the final episode of "Live Aid: When Rock 'n' Roll Took on the World" airs tonight at 9:00 p.m., only on CNN.

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WHITFIELD: Hello again, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

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