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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world and to everyone streaming us on CNN Max. I'm Rosemary Church. Just ahead.

Benjamin Netanyahu looks to expand Israel's offensive in Gaza as ceasefire talks with Hamas collapse. What that means for the remaining hostages and the more than two million Palestinians sheltering in the enclave.

Donald Trump's special envoy will soon travel to Russia just days before the U.S. President's deadline for a peace deal in Ukraine is due to expire.

Plus, President Trump doubles down on his firing of the official in- charge of U.S. data.

And later, real estate roulette. A dream apartment in Paris could be yours for the bargain of a lifetime if you're willing to wait for the current owner to die.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): Live from Atlanta, this is "CNN Newsroom" with Rosemary Church.

CHURCH: I appreciate you joining us.

And we begin in Israel, where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to push for a, quote, "full conquest of Gaza" during a meeting of his security cabinet today. That is according to reporting from Israeli media that a source describes as accurate. Now, this comes as Netanyahu faces protests and pressure to end the war, including from the families of hostages who have warned against expanding a military campaign in Gaza.

But senior officials close to Netanyahu were saying, quote, "the die is cast." And if the chief of staff does not agree, he should resign.

A source says the defense establishment also opposes an expansion of ground operations in areas where hostages are believed to be held. Negotiations on a hostage and ceasefire deal in Gaza have stalled and Hamas is demanding the dire humanitarian situation in the enclave be addressed before it returns to talks. The Israeli leader had this message on Monday.

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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): We must continue to stand together and fight together to achieve all our war objectives: the defeat of the enemy, the release of our hostages, and the assurance that Gaza will no longer pose a threat to Israel. Later this week, I will convene the cabinet to instruct the IDF on how to achieve these three objectives, all of them without exception.

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CHURCH: International efforts to address Gaza's growing humanitarian crisis are expanding, with Canada now saying it airdropped more than 21,000 pounds of aid on Monday. The Canadian Armed Forces used its own aircraft to conduct the drop. Canada says humanitarian partners are facing severe challenges in delivering aid by land because of restrictions imposed by the Israeli government; they are calling it a violation of international law.

CNN footage from central Gaza on Monday captured the desperation of hundreds of Palestinians as humanitarian aid was airdropped into the enclave. The family of a nurse critical of such airdrops says he was hit by an aid pallet and then killed after being caught in a crowd crush.

CNN senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman has reported extensively from Gaza for decades, but right now the Israeli government has banned international media from the territory. So Ben joins us live from Rome. Good to see you Ben.

So what more are you learning about Prime Minister Netanyahu's push to expand Israel's military operations in Gaza and what will it mean for the remaining hostages and of course for the millions of Palestinians sheltering in the enclave?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well we understand Rosemary that there's going to be a meeting of the Israeli security cabinet later today where he's going to go into further detail on these plans for what he's calling apparently the full conquest of the Gaza Strip.

Clearly he is trying to push for what looks like a complete reoccupation of Gaza in the hopes that he can release those remaining hostages alive. It's believed there's still perhaps 20 of those hostages still alive. But the record shows that military action isn't very effective at releasing the hostages.

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According to the record, eight hostages have been released or freed as a result of military operations. However, 140 hostages have been freed as a result of negotiations. Now it's not altogether clear where the Americans stand on all of this. On Saturday, Steve Witkoff, the U.S. special envoy to the Middle East,

met with members or relatives of hostages in Gaza and he told them that the United States has a plan. The plan is to end the war, not to expand it. But it appears that Prime Minister Netanyahu wants to do exactly that, expand the war, now it's a bit confusing.

Some Israeli media are reporting that President Trump has given the green light to Prime Minister Netanyahu for this operation. This comes at a time when the Israeli military, apparently basically the top staff, is saying that the military is exhausted after 22 months of this war. Keep in mind that in July, seven Israeli soldiers committed suicide, it's believed as a result of their experience in Gaza.

So it doesn't appear that an expansion of military operations in Gaza has much public support at this time. But Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to have the attitude he's just going to go ahead and do it, regardless of what people in his own country think. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Our thanks to Ben Wedeman bringing us that live report from his vantage point there in Rome. I appreciate it.

Well, joining me now from Vattaro, Italy, is Rosalia Bollen, a communications specialist and UNICEF spokesperson in Gaza. I appreciate you joining us.

ROSALIA BOLLEN, UNICEF SPOKESPERSON IN GAZA: Thanks for having me.

CHURCH: So given the current starvation crisis in Gaza and of course the sense of desperation being felt across the enclave, what's your reaction to this news that Prime Minister Netanyahu is expected to urge his security cabinet to back what he calls a full conquest of Gaza? And what impact would that have on the already desperate population?

BOLLEN: Yes, the situation inside the Gaza Strip is already beyond catastrophic. When you drive from the north, from Gaza City, let's say, all the way to the south of Al-Mawassi, which is where I stay, you see a post-apocalyptic landscape.

It's as if there's been a tsunami that has just wiped buildings, life, infrastructure really off the face of the earth. In that part of the world, the children that you see outside, they look dirty. They're often barefoot, they look emaciated, they're all hungry.

The entire child population under five inside the Gaza Strip, and that's more than 320,000 children, are at acute risk of becoming acutely malnourished.

So everybody is hungry, more than one in three persons go for days without eating. And what we need is really a ceasefire for the civilian population and for the hostages and the entry of humanitarian assistance at scale.

CHURCH: And, Rosalia, the U.N. has released new video of Palestinians seeking aid in northern Gaza and is warning that recent airdrops are ineffective and dangerous. And as we just reported, a nurse has died as a result of these airdrops. With insufficient levels of food, medicine and supplies in the enclave, what needs to be done and what is happening to the children in particular?

BOLLEN: Well, arguably, given how incredibly high the needs are, people are literally starving. Every drop of aid entering the Gaza Strip is going to save lives. But we as UNICEF and other U.N. agencies, we don't use airdrops in such situations, it would be a very last resort only. We don't need to use it because we have land routes to see parachutes coming from the sky.

I've seen it several times myself, is very impressive. But it's possible that those parachutes don't open and that the pallets indeed land on people, so that's dangerous. There's pallets that have ended up in the sea.

It's also the moment that these parachutes arrive with the pallets, you just get a massive crowd movement running towards the aid that is arriving. You have chaos, you have people fighting. And it's necessarily the strongest people who are going to get their hands on the aid.

It's a very indiscriminate way of dropping aid.

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We work in a completely different fashion because we need to determine who is the most vulnerable. And based on vulnerability criteria, we're going to drop aid. We also have lots of assistance that we can't airdrop.

For instance, we'd like to bring in ventilators for neonatal intensive care units, we can't airdrop that. We bring in vaccines, we can't airdrop vials, vaccines.

So we really need to be given the access that we enjoyed in February this year during the ceasefire when we were allowed to use all the crossings and the land routes. And then we brought in over 600 trucks with assistance every single day. So it is feasible. It's a matter of will.

CHURCH: Yes. And of course, you know, you mentioned the 600 trucks a day. And there's no way that any of this aid is coming anywhere near that, of course.

And with the negotiations on a hostage and ceasefire deal in Gaza now stalled and, of course, this impending Israeli military action looming, what hope remains for organizations like yours to get sufficient aid into Gaza anytime soon?

BOLLEN: I mean, we can only cling on to hope, hoping that there will be a ceasefire, that we will move back onto the right trajectory. But yes, the civilian population parents are beyond despair. The scenes that we encounter in hospitals are just unbearable.

You see children withering away, children who are too weak to speak, who are too weak to stand up. We met a mother, Maglala, who has an eight-year-old daughter. She

weighs not even half of what a child her age should weigh. And the mother was begging us to help her save her daughter.

She said, Mariam, the little girl, is her only daughter. And she was just beyond despair. So despair and fear have taken hold of the population.

Lots of people tell us that they're no longer humans. They've become zombies. Everyone's hungry, and that is sort of driving people right now.

CHURCH: Yes, these are tragic stories, of course. Rosalia Bollen, thank you so much for joining us and explaining a lot of this background to us. We appreciate it.

BOLLEN: Thanks for having me.

CHURCH: The U.S. President is sending his envoy to Russia, as his once-chummy relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin takes a nosedive. More details on that just ahead.

While Spain continues to endure an unrelenting heatwave, it's second of the summer, and it's far from over. We'll have a report from Madrid. Back with that and more in just a moment.

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CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone.

A White House official says the Trump administration's foreign envoy will travel to Russia. Steve Witkoff is expected to arrive on Wednesday. That's two days before President Trump's deadline for Russian President Vladimir Putin to make a peace deal with Ukraine or face more sanctions.

But Witkoff's diplomatic trip comes at a time of heightened tensions between the two countries. On Friday, President Trump said he was ordering two U.S. Navy nuclear submarines to move to, quote, "appropriate regions." He blamed what he called foolish and inflammatory statements from former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

The Kremlin says it's trying to bring down the temperature, saying, quote, "everyone should be extremely careful with nuclear rhetoric."

CNN's Fred Pleitgen reports from Moscow.

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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Russian and Chinese warships side-by-side in a major show of force. Military drills in anti-submarine warfare just days after President Trump says he repositioned U.S. nuclear subs following threats from Russia's former president.

DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: And a threat was made, and we didn't think it was appropriate, so I have to be very careful. So I do that on the basis of safety for our people.

PLEITGEN (voice-over): With the once cozy relations between President Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin recently taking a nosedive, Trump threatening massive sanctions by the end of this week. If there's no ceasefire in Ukraine, Moscow eager to end the nuclear saber-rattling.

We're extremely cautious with any statements regarding nuclear issues, the Kremlin spokesman says. As you know, Russia maintains a responsible position.

But Kremlin-controlled T.V. not so much, frequently touting Russia's massive nuclear arsenal like this well-known host last year.

DMITRY KISELEV, RUSSIAN T.V. PRESENTER (through translator): So the main question is, will Russia use it? And there is a clear answer. It will use it.

The conflict with the West over Ukraine is growing so much that for Russia it is already a matter of life and death.

PLEITGEN (voice-over): And Putin himself put Russian nuclear forces on alert just days after launching what he calls the special military operation in Ukraine in 2022 in response to Western criticism.

VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): Top officials of leading NATO countries are indulging in aggressive statements directed at our country. Therefore, I order the Minister of Defense and Chief of the General Staff to put Russia's army deterrence forces on high combat alert.

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PLEITGEN (voice-over): On Moscow streets, folks telling us President Trump's nuclear moves and sanctions threats don't scare them.

PLEITGEN (translated): Trump said he wanted better relationship with Russia, a trade deal, lifting sanctions, flights between the U.S. and Russia and now he's sending nuclear submarines because of the escalation between the U.S. and Russia.

UNKNOWN (translated): Look. I think he says one thing and does something else, and he predicts the future developments based on something completely different.

PLEITGEN (translated): Trump said if no ceasefire is reached in Ukraine, he will impose stronger sanctions on Russia. Are you worried?

UNKNOWN (translated): No, I am not worried about this. I live in my country and I know it will protect itself and those who it promises to care for.

UNKNOWN (translated): Your sanctions are useless. Everything is till fine.

PLEITGEN (voice-over): But even as the Kremlin touts its gains on the battlefield in Ukraine, Moscow claims it's keen to engage in diplomacy with the Trump administration.

Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Moscow.

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CHURCH: John Herbst joins us now. He is the former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine and Senior Director at the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center. I appreciate you joining us.

JOHN HERBST, SR. DIRECTOR AT THE EURASIA CENTER, ATLANTIC COUNCIL, AND FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE: Pleasure.

CHURCH: So, U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff is expected to visit Russia this week as President Trump's new deadline approaches for Moscow to sign on to a peace deal or face additional economic sanctions. What do you expect to come out of Witkoff's visit? And where does diplomacy on this issue stand right now?

HERBST: I think President Trump has been pretty clear that he wants Russia to agree to stop the shooting. And he's given them many times, many occasions to do that and they haven't done it.

But Witkoff has not been in Moscow for months. When he was, there were all kinds of talk about additional American concessions to the Russians, even as they give nothing.

So the important thing is hoping Witkoff can be persuaded to convince President Trump not to proceed with the ultimatum. And maybe even offer something of no great value, suggesting he, Putin, is ready to compromise.

CHURCH: And what do you make of President Trump's recent decision to send two U.S. nuclear submarines towards Russia with Kremlin- controlled state television now threatening to respond with nuclear weapons and the Kremlin warning Trump to be extremely careful with his nuclear rhetoric?

HERBST: I think that was a demonstration of strength by President Trump. Sadly, President Biden was intimidated by Moscow's nuclear threats. And that's the principal reason why he was always slow to send more advanced weapons to Ukraine.

Trump is showing the Russians they cannot intimidate him with bluster. And I think that's what he did when he, responding to Medvedev's threats, said, well, I'd have to redeploy some submarines to protect the United States.

CHURCH: But it sounds like you don't think that Steve Witkoff is going to come away from this visit with very much in the way of concessions from Russia, right?

HERBST: No. Putin has felt now for almost 20 years that he can commit aggression and the West will ultimately not oppose him. They may initially oppose him, but they'll let him get away with it. So for him to think otherwise about his war in Ukraine, and he wants to take effective political control of Ukraine, Trump's going to have to show him he's willing to put serious measures that make it harder for Putin to fight this war.

So I think what has to happen, if Russia's ever going to compromise, there has to be major American weapons systems going to Ukraine, paid for by Europeans, but also major sanctions, new sanctions on Russia. Then maybe three or four or six months down the road, Putin will understand he cannot have his way.

CHURCH: Now, you wrote recently that President Trump's policy toward Russia's war on Ukraine is continuing to evolve in a rush of small and large steps as he reacts to events in Europe and beyond. Why do you think it has taken him longer than other world leaders to figure Vladimir Putin out and to take this tougher line on Moscow?

HERBST: Well, it's taken him longer than, say, very smart people in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states and in Poland. But I'd say he's learning faster than Biden, who to the end was very timid in dealing with the Russian threat. Although it is true that Biden understood we needed to provide aid to Ukraine, and it's taken Trump a little while longer to understand this.

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But Trump came into office thinking he was Putin's pal, and he could persuade him to be reasonable. And it took, what now, six or seven months for him to see differently. And, you know, better late than never is all I can say.

CHURCH: Right. So how far do you expect President Trump will go with this tougher line on Moscow and with the Kremlin warning him to be extremely careful with his nuclear rhetoric, while it makes nuclear threats of its own, of course? And how dangerous is this moment in history right now?

HERBST: Well, this is a very important moment in history because if Putin were to succeed in conquering Ukraine, A, he would do more provocations against NATO allies, risking war there, and B, he would be much more likely to take Taiwan. So we're facing a very serious threat coming from the Russians, the Chinese, with help from their smaller partners, the Iranians and the North Koreans.

And the best way to deal with this problem is to give Ukraine the means to stop the Russians on the battlefield and to make Russia's economy suffer even more than it is today for this aggression.

So Trump has basically said he's going to take the step. If he doesn't, he will look very weak. And I don't think he likes to look weak.

I think, though, the nuclear issue is a distraction. The Russians have used this effectively to intimidate the West in the past. Trump's not about to be intimidated but I think what we're seeing is just really just bluster from the Russians on nukes.

CHURCH: You don't think that Russia would cross that line?

HERBST: Well, you can't say for absolute certain. But the Russians would be at least as badly off as the United States, if not worse off the United States.

We've seen how poorly their conventional weapons and their conventional army has performed, in large part because of corruption. Who knows what state their long-range strategic nuclear weapons are in.

CHURCH: John Herbst, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it, and your analysis.

HERBST: My pleasure. Thank you very much.

Despite offering no evidence, Donald Trump is repeating claims that the latest jobs report was rigged to make him look bad. What he's saying about his plans to replace the commissioner, he blames for it all.

And why the cost of Swiss treats could soon soar, we will take a look at the early impact of Donald Trump's trade war. Back in just a moment.

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CHURCH: A warm welcome back to "CNN Newsroom." I'm Rosemary Church. I want to check today's top stories for you.

Israeli media reports that today Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to urge his security cabinet to support the, quote, "full conquest of Gaza." Senior officials close to Netanyahu were quoted as saying that if the chief of staff does not agree, he should resign. But a source says the defense establishment opposes an expansion of ground operations in areas where hostages are believed to be held.

The Trump administration's foreign envoy will travel to Russia on Wednesday, according to the White House. Steve Witkoff's trip comes days before Trump's deadline for Vladimir Putin to make a peace deal with Ukraine, the U.S. President has threatened to impose more sanctions on Russia if it does not comply.

The U.S. State Department is condemning an order to put Brazil's former President Jair Bolsonaro under house arrest. The Trump ally is on trial over an alleged coup to overturn the results of the 2022 election and keep his successor from power, Bolsonaro denies wrongdoing.

Donald Trump says he will pick an exceptional replacement, his words, soon for the Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner he fired on Friday. The U.S. President continues to claim with no evidence that last week's jobs report was rigged to favor Democrats.

Trump wrote on Truth Social Monday that there were massive record- setting revisions aimed at making what he calls a great Republican success look less stellar. Trump's top economic adviser says it's quite possible.

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KEVIN HASSETT, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL: They could be politically manipulated because they're so untransparent.

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CHURCH: Many economists are pushing back on those claims, saying the job market is slowing and fewer Americans are responding to the surveys the Bureau uses to compile its reports.

Well, new U.S. tariffs for dozens of countries are set to kick in on Thursday, meaning countries like Switzerland have just two days to negotiate before higher taxes on their exports to the U.S. take effect.

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Switzerland, which is facing a steep 39 percent tariff, says it's changing tactics and trying to present a more attractive offer.

Meanwhile, after reaching a deal with the White House last week, the E.U. is delaying the retaliatory tariffs it intended to impose on the U.S. by six months. Those E.U. countermeasures included levies on agricultural products, whiskey and appliances. European goods will still face a 15 percent tariff.

Dan Ives is a Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Wedbush Securities. Great to have you with us.

DAN IVES, MANAGING DIRECTOR AND SR. EQUITY RESEARCH ANALYST, WEDBUSH SECURITIES: Great to be here.

CHURCH: So, President Trump's new tariffs go into effect this coming Thursday. What impact do you expect they'll have, given the markets don't appear to be spooked by them just yet, if stocks on Monday were anything to go by?

IVES: Yes, look, I think the market's also anticipating that these tariffs are not in pen and marker, they're in pencil and chalk, right? I mean, they could definitely change.

But I think, you know, off the bat, in terms of the copper and steel tariffs, that's really front and center. I think that's something that you're going to see real impacts. And you're seeing companies like G.M., Ford and others talk about that in terms of the price increases.

And look, you're going to start to see price increases for consumers. It's essentially a tax for consumers. And that's happening globally. CHURCH: Right. So, President Trump says the U.S. is going to make a lot of money on the back of these new tariffs. But some economic analysis suggests that tariffs could become addictive and perhaps even risky if the U.S. economy starts to rely on that money.

What do you say to that?

IVES: Look, tariffs are essentially a tax on the consumer. I mean, the consumer is ultimately who's paying for it. And it's a headwind for businesses.

And I think that's, it's a slippery slope when you go down, especially you go from, you know, call it a 3-4 percent tariff rate to now it's going to be 18 percent. That's the danger, especially for the U.S. consumer.

CHURCH: And Dan, you mentioned Main Street. So far, consumers haven't felt the full impact of these tariffs. But that will likely change, of course, after these new tariffs go into effect.

How will these new tariffs likely impact consumers? And when will they start to feel the economic pain? Because presumably, that will be trickling down.

IVES: Yes, it's going to trickle down. I think you start to see that in August in terms of the price increases. I mean, first, from an e- commerce perspective, you'll see it on Amazon through some of the sellers, you'll see it in the stores, and then it'll increase as it goes into September and October, especially as some of these shipments as they hit U.S. ports and the tariffs actually hit.

Look, there's no way around it. That's ultimately where it's really heading for consumers and businesses are going to have to absorb it as well. And that's the concern, especially given the economic impact.

CHURCH: And how bad do you think it'll be? I mean, what's your assessment? If you were talking to the average American citizen, what would you say to them about what you're going to be up for in the year ahead?

IVES: Look, I think it depends what, right? When it comes to whether it's sneakers, whether it's, you know, buying clothes, you know, whether it's some of the bigger ticket items. But you're going to see legit increases.

And I think it's something where it could be viewed as a one-time increase, a 3 percent, 5 percent, 7 percent increase. But that's real increases that a lot of consumers don't have the money to spend.

And I think that's the worry here when you go down these routes with tariffs. It doesn't seem real. So you're actually paying for it.

CHURCH: Yes, exactly. And of course, on another issue, Dan, what are the economic consequences of President Trump without evidence calling Friday's jobs data rigged and firing the person in charge of those jobs numbers because the President doesn't like the results and reportedly because she was a Biden appointee?

IVES: Well, you don't fire the messenger, right? I mean, that's the reality. I mean, the inflation numbers, when they were good, they were ultimately held positive, right? And I think that, look, it's a dangerous slope because you need statistics that you ultimately trust.

But when it makes it more and more political, I think that's something the market and economists don't want to see, because these stats have always been trusted. And you don't want this to become political grandstanding and I think that's the nervousness of it.

CHURCH: Dan Ives, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it.

IVES: Thank you.

CHURCH: Tesla is giving CEO Elon Musk a pay package worth $29 billion. Musk will receive 96 million Tesla shares, currently worth more than $300 each, but he'll only have to pay about $23 per share. That was the purchase price offered in his 2018 pay package, which was struck down by a Delaware court.

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Musk is still appealing that ruling. Tesla says Musk has not received meaningful compensation for eight years and is owed a big payday. He promised back in May to focus full-time on his companies after delving into politics.

The U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi is ordering federal prosecutors to start a grand jury investigation into Obama officials, claiming the administration made up intelligence about Russian interference in the 2016 election. A source tells CNN a grand jury will look into claims that Democratic officials tried to smear Donald Trump by falsely claiming his campaign colluded with the Russian government.

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard declassified documents last month, which she claims show a treasonous conspiracy by top Obama officials to undermine Trump.

Still to come, law enforcement is scouring the Montana wilderness for a suspect in a deadly bar shooting. Coming up, why some say the terrain in the area will make finding the wanted army veteran a difficult task.

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CHURCH: Welcome back everyone.

Authorities are searching the area around a national forest for an army veteran suspected in the shooting deaths of four people inside a Montana bar. But those who know the area say there are thousands of places for Michael Paul Brown to hide. CNN's Josh Campbell has our report.

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JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For a fourth day, authorities scoured the rugged Montana wilderness by land and air, searching for a suspected mass shooter.

AUSTIN KNUDSEN, MONTANA ATTORNEY GENERAL: We've got a lot of expertise, a lot of knowledge of the area. We've got every cabin, every hunting site that's known up there pinned. And there is a tremendous number of assets focused on searching that area.

DAN BRUNNER, RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT, BOZEMAN, MONTANA: One of the restrictions is the size of the state.

CAMPBELL (voice-over): The mountainous terrain and vast wildlands in this remote part of the state are offering their own challenges. So there's a lot of land and not a lot of people.

BRUNNER: So there's not a lot of civilians that'll be looking out their window looking for a suspicious person. This man could easily hide for multiple, multiple weeks if he had resources prepared for himself.

CAMPBELL (voice-over): The suspect, who officials believe is quote, "well-armed and extremely dangerous," is 45-year-old Michael Paul Brown, seen shirtless and shoeless on security footage fleeing The Owl Bar on Friday morning. Authorities say Brown lived next door to the bar and was a patron. He was last seen driving a white Ford F-150 pickup that they say was later found abandoned.

KNUDSEN: It was a stolen vehicle, but there was camping equipment in it. We believe there was some clothing in it. So at this point, we have every reason to believe the suspect is fully clothed, shoes on his feet, able to get around.

CAMPBELL (voice-over): As the search continues, new details about the suspect are emerging. Brown served in the Army from January 2001 to May 2005 and was part of an armored vehicle crew. He was deployed to Iraq from February 2004 to March 2005, later joining the Montana National Guard for just under three years, leaving military service as a sergeant.

Brown's niece telling CNN in a Facebook message that he struggled with mental health in the Army and wasn't the same after his service, noting his condition worsened after his parents died. The Army declined to release information about Brown's mental health history, citing policy and privacy constraints.

KNUDSEN: This is an unstable individual who walked in and murdered four people in cold blood for no reason whatsoever. So there absolutely is concern for the public.

CAMPBELL (voice-over): A town now on edge and in mourning for four lives lost in the mass shooting, including Nancy Kelly, who recently retired from a career as a nurse working with cancer patients. Josh Campbell, CNN.

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CHURCH: Heavy rainfall has triggered flooding and landslides across southern Taiwan. Sunday's flooding submerged rural homes and cut off access to mountain roads. The area has seen more than a year's worth of rain over the past week with devastating impact.

Four people have died, 77 injured, three people are missing and more than 5900 residents have been forced to evacuate. The rainfall was forecast to ease Monday, but landslide and flood warnings remain in effect.

Spain's second summer heat wave is well underway and it's not letting up anytime soon. Some parts of the country could see temperatures exceed 42 degrees Celsius or 108 degrees Fahrenheit on Tuesday. People are coping in different ways, of course, as CNN's Pau Mosquera reports.

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PAU MOSQUERA, CNN EN ESPANOL SPAIN CORRESPONDENT: Many decide to seek shelter in the shade, while others prefer to cool themselves off in public fountains like these ones located southwest of Madrid.

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This Sunday marked the beginning of the second heat wave of the summer in the Iberian Peninsula and the responsible is no other than a dry and warm air mass coming from the African continent that is pushing temperatures well above normal.

The Spanish National Weather Agency is forecasting that the mercury will be around five to 10 degrees Celsius above normal and in the case of the capital the temperatures will be hovering around the 37 to 38 degrees Celsius.

UNKNOWN (through translator): In previous summers we have had hot weather but not as hot as this one.

UNKNOWN (through translator): In Madrid the heat is quite suffocating, isn't it? It's not humid, it's very dry and it's a little bit bad.

UNKNOWN (through translator): We are from the northeast of Brazil, from Recife. We are already a bit used to the heat so it is not very different from the temperatures here.

MOSQUERA: But the situation is going to be way worse in some parts of the country as for example in the south. In cities like Seville or Cordoba the agency is expecting the mercury to reach up to 45 degrees Celsius and this is a situation that will last at least until Sunday.

Pau Mosquera, CNN, Madrid.

(END VIDEOTAPE) CHURCH: It's part real estate, part roulette. Homeowners in Paris sell their home while buyers await their death. More on this unusual property scheme when we come back.

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CHURCH: People looking to travel to the U.S. for business or tourism could soon face a new challenge. The State Department is proposing that some visa applicants meet new requirements to enter the country. It's starting a year-long pilot program to protect the U.S. government from financial liability if visitors don't comply with the terms of their visas.

The program would require some travelers to post a bond of between $5,000 and $15,000. It would apply to applicants looking for both business and tourist visas and focus on travelers from countries with high visa overstay rates or deficient document security.

The State Department says the program would take effect within 15 days of its formal publication. The bond would not apply to citizens of countries enrolled in the visa waiver program.

Dream apartments in Paris are available for bargain prices but there is a catch. The seller has to die for the transaction to take place but not before the buyer goes all in. CNN's Saskya Vandoorne explains how it works.

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SASKYA VANDOORNE, CNN PARIS BUREAU CHIEF: On the day that Andre dies, will you be pleased that you'll be able to move in?

Buying an apartment in Paris isn't cheap but there's a quirky, slightly morbid loophole that could land you one at half the price. You're essentially betting on how long the seller is going to stick around. It's known as viager.

YLLA HERON, BUYER: I have a lot of time in front of me.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): Y'all was hoping to finally buy a dream home in Paris. After nearly a year of searching, she found a gorgeous south-facing place for half the price of the others.

HERON: And I think it's really well arranged.

ANDRE HELMAN, SELLER: For such a small apartment, it's exceptional.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): This place is owned by Andre who has no intention of moving out.

SELLER: I needed the money and I needed the place. So this system allowed me to stay here as long as I wanted and get the money I needed.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): To buy Andre's apartment, Elia gave him a single deposit in the range of 200,000 euros.

HELMAN: Once a year, there is a party here, the neighbor's party. It's very pleasant.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): But in a typical viager, a buyer pays an upfront sum and then small monthly payments to the seller who keeps living in the home until they die.

Viager sales make up just one percent of the French property market. But interest surged during COVID. And it's not just locals rolling the dice, more and more foreign buyers are getting in on the gamble too.

Homa Ravel, an American-Iranian, already has four viage homes for her kids. And she's eyeing her fists.

HOMA RAVEL, BUYER: I think in the beginning, friends and family were like, oh really? You got involved with that? But this is helping the person. I mean, this is a comfortable situation for them.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): But it's quite a bet. The longer the seller lives, the more you end up paying.

VANDOORNE: And that upfront discount starts to shrink. And you're comfortable with it being a gamble?

HELMAN: Oh, quite. After my death, I really don't worry about myself. The gamble is mainly for the owner.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): It's all remarkably transparent. Listings don't just include the seller's age. They often estimate their life expectancy too.

Most cases are uneventful. But in one instance, a buyer was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in a case involving a madlene (ph) and the death of an elderly seller.

VANDOORNE: So does it take a special type of person or a special type of mindset to accept the viager system?

HELMAN: Because of the death issue, I think that's why people are feeling uncomfortable. It's not my case. As I said, I'm very lucky.

HELMAN (translated): I'm really happy to have met you like this. I'm delighted.

HELMAN: For me, death is not an issue. It's just the end of life. And it's OK.

VANDOORNE (voice-over): Saskya Vandoorne, CNN, Paris.

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CHURCH: Fascinating. Thanks so much for your company, I'm Rosemary Church. Have yourselves a wonderful day. "Amanpour" is coming up next, then stay tuned for "Early Start" at 5 a.m. in New York, 10 a.m. in London. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)