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KIM BRUNHUBER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to all of you watching us around the world. I'm Kim Brunhuber. This is "CNN Newsroom."

Israel's security cabinet approves a plan to occupy Gaza City. We'll look at what's next for the embattled area.

The U.S. and Russian leaders meeting face to face. We'll take a look at what it'll take to get the two men in the same room to discuss the war in Ukraine.

And is it a plan to force tech companies to build semiconductors in the U.S.? We'll talk to a tech analyst about what to expect if those tariffs kick in.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): Live from Atlanta, this is "CNN Newsroom" with Kim Brunhuber.

BRUNHUBER: It is 10 a.m. in Jerusalem where Israel's Prime Minister's office says his security cabinet has approved a plan to occupy Gaza City, that's part of a broader initiative for Israeli control of the entire Gaza Strip. And it comes despite strong objections from the Israel Defense Force's chief of staff who warns it could put soldiers and hostages at risk.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he doesn't plan to stop at Gaza City. Here he is.

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BILL HEMMER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR, "AMERICA'S NEWSROOM": Will Israel take control of all of Gaza?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: We intend to. In order to assure our security, we move Hamas there. Enable the population to be free of Gaza and to pass it to civilian governance.

That is not Hamas and not anyone advocating the destruction of Israel, that's what we want to do.

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BRUNHUBER: People across Israel turned out to protest expanded military operations in Gaza. They gathered outside the Prime Minister's office in Jerusalem and at his Likud party headquarters in Tel Aviv.

Alright, I want to bring in CNN's senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman, who's following developments from Rome. So Ben, one million Palestinians in Gaza City and other areas would again be pushed out to southern Gaza. So take us through the details here and the implications.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, this was a decision taken by the so-called security cabinet of the Israeli government, which the initial phase would involve expelling, driving out about a million people who live in the ruins of Gaza City. Keep in mind that 90 percent of the population of Gaza has already been displaced in one form or another, many of them multiple times.

And then the city, Gaza City, would be besieged by Israeli forces. And the assumption is that only Hamas would be left within the city, which is a shaky assumption at best. And then the Israeli forces would go in and, in theory, liberate the hostages.

There are only 20 hostages left alive, it is believed. And, of course, as you mentioned, Eyal Zamir, the chief of staff of the Israeli army, has said he is concerned that this plan is not going to work, that it will only endanger the hostages. And, of course, it will endanger the lives of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

But referring back to that interview -- that Fox interview with Prime Minister Netanyahu, this appears to be only the first step in a plan that involves the reoccupation of the Gaza Strip, the establishment of some sort of civilian administration that, according to five principles approved by the Israeli cabinet, that so-called civilian administration would not involve Hamas, not surprisingly, but also the Western-backed Palestinian authority that has somewhat dubious control over small parts of the West Bank.

So it's really a plan that, according to, for instance, Yair Lapid, the head of the Israeli opposition, he calls this plan, this decision by the security cabinet, a disaster which will lead to many other disasters. And I think many people, including probably a majority of Palestinians and many Israelis, think that that is true, that reoccupying the Gaza Strip.

We're going back 20 years to when Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip. It pulled out of the Gaza Strip because it was a quagmire. There were a handful of settlements there that were under constant attack by Palestinian fighters, tied down thousands of Israeli soldiers.

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And what we understand is that there are some within the extreme elements of the Israeli government and Israeli society who want to reestablish Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip. So it really is a disaster, or rather a recipe for a disaster, unless, of course, it's a bluff.

It's a bluff to get Hamas to give more concessions, to somehow break the deadlock that has been in place in Gaza now for months, Kim?

BRUNHUBER: We've already seen some international opposition to this plan and likely to see much more in the hours and days ahead. So how do you think Israel plans to sell this idea to the international community when there have been now more countries, like France and Canada, who are basically set to recognize a Palestinian state?

WEDEMAN: Well, first of all, this business of recognizing the Palestinian state is theater, it means absolutely nothing. And really it all comes down to the United States. And we heard President Trump the other day say as far as Israel's plans for Gaza go, it's up to Israel.

And therefore, unless there is actual concrete action by the United States and, for instance, by the European Union to actually do something to stop Israel from going ahead with this plan, Israel will actually do it. The United States, obviously, with one phone call could bring this war to an end by saying, look, no more weapons for you, no more diplomatic cover.

The European Union, which is the largest trading partner with Israel, talks a lot, but actually doesn't do anything. Trade agreements are still in place. No action is being, no actual pressure is being put on Israel to change its behavior.

And given pronouncements from President Trump and the lack of actual concrete action by European leaders, I don't think that Israel's behavior is going to change one iota.

BRUNHUBER: Great points. Ben Wedeman in Rome. Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

So right now, UNICEF estimates 28 children are being killed every day in Gaza. Now, images of starving children have caused anger and anguish for many people, but one voice has been speaking on behalf of Gaza's children for some time.

Rachel Accurso is a children's content creator with 16 million subscribers around the world. She's known as Ms. Rachel, and she's been called the Mr. Rogers of our time. But her advocacy for Palestinian children has prompted some backlash.

Accurso spoke exclusively with our Christiane Amanpour about why she won't be silent.

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RACHEL ACCURSO A.K.A. MS. RACHEL, CHILDREN'S CONTENT CREATOR AND EDUCATOR: As an early childhood educator, I know what children need. They need food, it's being blocked; they need water, it's being blocked; they need to be in school, their schools have been bombed; they need medical care.

I know what children need to thrive, and I know what holds them back. And it was very clear to me, along with so many others in our country and around the world, that it's so critical to speak up.

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BRUNHUBER: Jordan is among several countries airdropping aid into Gaza, but not everyone agrees on the safety or effectiveness of operations like those. CNN's Chief Global Affairs Correspondent Matthew Chance went on board and brings us this report.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the pristine skies over Gaza, a clear view of the destruction.

Journalists are still blocked by Israel from freely entering this devastated strip of land. But CNN flew over with the Jordanian military in a cargo plane loaded with aid, an effort to meet acute shortages amid a partial land blockade.

CHANCE: Well, there's been criticism of these international humanitarian aid flights and drops into Gaza. People say they're insufficient, they don't deliver enough aid, that they're dangerous to the people on the ground, and that they're purely symbolic and don't meet anything practical need.

All of that may be true, but amid an intense starvation crisis in Gaza, the 6.5 tons of milk powder and canned food will be dropping out the back of this Jordanian plane shortly may be the difference for some people between life and death.

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CHANCE (voice-over): But viewed from the ground, these aid drops are also a mixed blessing, sending desperate Palestinians scrambling, even fighting each other for food.

It's a humiliation, an injustice, says this man.

All I got was a ripped bag of lentils and this carton of tomato paste, says another, amidst the rubble. It's just not enough yet.

From 2000 feet, those individual hardships are impossible to see. But you do get a sweeping view of what nearly two years of Israeli bombardment has done.

CHANCE: Well, I've spent this flight, as much as I can, looking out the window at the Gaza Strip below. And I can tell you from the air, you get a stunning view of the complete devastation in the Gaza Strip. We've been flying over neighborhoods that I reported from over many years of going in and out of Gaza and I can tell you those places were bustling areas teeming with life, people, children, cars, other traffic, bustling street markets, and you look at the map from above, and it's just rubble. Utter devastation across vast areas of the Gaza Strip. It's shocking.

CHANCE (voice-over): Shocking deserts of ruins, where so many are now struggling to survive.

Matthew Chance, CNN, in the skies over Gaza.

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BRUNHUBER: U.S. President Donald Trump says Russian leader Vladimir Putin doesn't have to agree to meet with Ukraine's President in order for the two leaders to have a summit. Here he is.

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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: No, he doesn't. No.

No.

They would like to meet with me, and I'll do whatever I can to stop the killing.

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BRUNHUBER: There is new uncertainty over the possible face-to-face meetings between presidents Trump and Putin. On Thursday, the Kremlin claimed a meeting next week was all but agreed to, although U.S. officials say nothing has been finalized.

Putin on Thursday suggested the UAE is one of the suitable places for the potential summit with Trump. The U.S. President had previously said that a trilateral meeting could follow with Ukraine's President.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy has emphasized that Ukraine must have a seat at the table for any ceasefire talks. Here's what President Putin had to say about that.

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VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): I have been repeatedly saying that I, in general, have nothing against it. This is possible. But before that, certain conditions should be created and unfortunately, we are still far from creating such conditions.

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BRUNHUBER: I want to bring in Stephen Erlanger, the chief diplomatic correspondent covering Europe for the "New York Times." He joins us now from Berlin. Good to see you again.

So, you know, the Kremlin and the White House can't even agree on, you know, who suggested this meeting or where it might happen. Does all this sort of chaos ahead of time give you any confidence that they can actually hammer out something as complex as a ceasefire or a peace deal? STEPHEN ERLANGER, CHIEF DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENT FOR EUROPE, "NEW YORK

TIMES": Well, I think they're on the way. I mean, you can't do it without talking to one another. Putin has wanted a meeting.

The pressure of Trump's deadline, we'll see it's supposed to run out today. And obviously, Putin has now postponed it effectively by this deal with Witkoff.

Now, as Putin himself said, it doesn't really matter who suggested it first. Let's just do it. I think it will happen.

Trump has wanted to get tete-a-tete with Putin for some time. Trump, as you know, thinks he's the best negotiator in the world and so can convince anyone once he's in the room.

Putin, I think, has just bought himself time, I think Putin's aims haven't changed. The idea of a tripartite meeting following this was always awkward. It may happen, but what Putin would like to do is agree with Trump on what to impose upon Zelenskyy in any future meeting.

And I don't think Putin's aims have changed, even if there is a ceasefire. Ceasefires do get broken. Putin's aim remains the same, he wants a vassal Ukraine that stays outside of NATO forever, maybe outside the E.U., as essentially demilitarized, and is more like Belarus than like Poland. That's what he wants.

BRUNHUBER: So, President Trump is already threatening India with tariffs over Russian oil purchases, but he sort of keeps extending these olive branches to Putin himself. So, what is President Trump's actual leverage here?

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ERLANGER: Well, I don't think there is a lot of leverage, to be honest. The trade between the two countries, U.S. and Russia, is quite small, so if you could tariff it to 90 percent, it wouldn't make much difference. He has threatened, as you've said, what he calls secondary tariffs on countries that buy Russian oil.

He's angry at India anyway, so he had raised tariffs on India to quite a high degree. Tariffs are already at 50 percent with China, so I don't think he really wants to go any farther, even if Russia is the actual pretext.

So, I think his leverage is fairly limited. His leverage with Putin is his ability to get Zelenskyy to agree to things Putin wants.

BRUNHUBER: So, what do you make of that, then, this idea, again, that Zelenskyy is being sort of cut out of this deal here?

ERLANGER: Well, yes. I mean, I think that's true. And to argue that Donald Trump and the United States are somehow acting for Ukraine in this negotiation, I think is a bit of a stretch.

I think Trump's views of Ukraine, as we've discussed and as we've seen, have gone up and down over the years, ever since his first term. He is beginning to understand Putin doesn't want to end the war, so he doesn't want Ukraine to collapse on his watch.

But at the same time, I think he does, pretty much, through Witkoff, offered Russia already that Russia could seize the territory it already has and that Ukraine would not join NATO. So, to some degree, these are already big concessions he's made to Putin without much consultation with Ukraine. So, I think the Ukrainians, you know, who have agency in this and who have Europeans behind them, but I think they're right to be worried.

BRUNHUBER: You talked about Donald Trump's identity, his sort of persona being tied up in this art of the deal, he's the supreme dealmaker. But these days, as you alluded to, Trump keeps saying he's disappointed in Putin. Do you think he will finally come to the conclusion that maybe Putin just isn't that into making an actual deal?

ERLANGER: I think he's coming to that, but I mean, I think his interests in Putin go beyond Ukraine. I think he sees Ukraine as an obstacle in the way of a better U.S.-Russia relationship, which he wants.

And also, you know, there are serious issues to discuss, like strategic arms control. Right now there's not a single, or pretty soon there won't be a single treaty governing the nuclear arsenals on either side, that's pretty dangerous. There are all kinds of other security strategic issues to discuss.

And I think Putin wants to be welcomed back into the world of so- called, you know, superpower discussions. So I think there is a lot to do, even if Trump, you know, decides that Putin isn't really serious. Putin still will, I think, be very good at playing him along, he's very good at flattering, and very good at promising, and very good at, in the end, not quite delivering.

BRUNHUBER: Yes, as we've seen time and time again. I always appreciate your analysis, Stephen Erlanger in Berlin. Thanks so much.

ERLANGER: Thank you.

BRUNHUBER: Those U.S. efforts to push India to buy Russian oil appear to be driving the two countries closer together. On Thursday, senior Indian and Russian officials celebrated what they call their strategic partnership, a very special relationship.

And India says it's expecting a visit from the Russian president later this year. This comes just hours after the Trump administration imposed a 25 percent tariff on India, which is set to double in a few weeks. And President Trump now says he's not talking to India anymore, quote, "until we get this resolved."

The U.S. accuses India of fueling Russia's war in Ukraine by purchasing Russian energy. But the Indian Prime Minister is defending his decision to put his country's domestic needs first. Here he is.

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NARENDRA MODI, INDIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): For us, our farmer's welfare is supreme. India will never compromise on the well- being of its farmers, dairy sector, and fishermen.

And I know personally I will have to pay a heavy price for it. But I'm ready for the farmers, fishermen, and dairy farmers of my country. India is ready today.

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BRUNHUBER: All right, still to come here on "CNN Newsroom." A train crash in Mexico left half a dozen people dead and others injured. We'll have the details ahead.

And the French President -- the French Prime Minister, rather, says climate change is to blame for the worst wildfires to hit his country in decades. We'll have the latest on efforts to stop the flames from spreading ahead here on "CNN Newsroom." Stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: All right, before we bring you this next story, we just want to warn you, you might find this video disturbing, and it is startling. Have a look at this.

At least six people were killed and two injured after a detached locomotive hit multiple cars in central Mexico. According to initial investigations, the detached train rolled for almost two kilometers before it crossed through two streets and hit several vehicles. The company that owns the train, Ferromex, says it's cooperating with investigators.

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France's Prime Minister says climate change and drought have helped turn the fire burning in the southern part of the country into a catastrophe on an unprecedented scale. Have a look. Drone footage shows blackened trees and charred landscape where the 16,000 hectare fire is burning.

Melissa Bell has more.

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MELISSA BELL, CNN SR. PARIS CORRESPONDENT: More than 2000 firefighters in France remain locked in the battle to try and contain the fire that's been described by the French press as the fire of the century. So quickly did it start and so fast did it progress from Tuesday afternoon. It is some 16,000 hectares that were burnt within just over 24 hours.

And whilst the fire has yet to be contained, there had been some hope by Thursday morning that weather conditions were turning, the wind was dropping, the temperature seemed to be falling as well. And we had understood from the region's firefighting chief, this is the old region in the south of France just above the border with Spain, that he hoped that that fire might be contained at some point over the course of Thursday.

In fact, what appears to have happened is several of the fires within that wildfire have picked up and there are fears that the weather conditions in fact are turning the other way with extremely hot temperatures and a new heat wave threatening parts of southern France but also winds now picking up and making the firefighters' task much more difficult than it had been.

So far there's only been one death. This was a woman who'd refused to leave her home, she'd refused an evacuation order. But there has been many businesses, 36 houses so far, destroyed or damaged by the fire and there are fears that those attempts to contain it might not yet be paying off.

Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.

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BRUNHUBER: A new wildfire is burning in Turkey as a hot and dry summer continues to fuel blazes across the Mediterranean. The latest wildfire is in the north of the country. This is the area's second wildfire in two weeks.

Authorities say two firefighting planes and 12 helicopters are working to battle this blaze. An intensive heat wave across Europe created conditions for a series of wildfires across the continent, part of a rising threat as global temperatures soar.

Rescue helicopters carried people to safety after floodwaters left them stranded in northern India. A sudden flood and landslide washed away homes, killing four people and an unknown number of people are still missing. Communications with the affected area have been impacted by floodwaters, washing away electricity and cell phone towers.

Authorities said 400 people have been airlifted to safety so far.

Alright, still to come here on CNN. The products getting pricier under President Trump's new trade policies and how much they'll end up costing U.S. households each year. Then, why many chips and semiconductors will soon face massive new tariffs and how their manufacturers can avoid them.

Those stories and more coming up, stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: Welcome back to all of you watching us around the world, I'm Kim Brunhuber. This is "CNN Newsroom." Let's check today's top stories.

Israel's security cabinet has approved a plan to occupy Gaza City. The prime minister's office says the military will prepare to take over the area while providing aid to civilians outside of combat zones. Opponents say an expanded military campaign will threaten the lives of hostages and Israeli soldiers.

Russian President Vladimir Putin says the United Arab Emirates is a possible location for a potential summit with U.S. President Donald Trump. Both leaders have expressed interest in a face-to-face meeting about the war in Ukraine possibly as early as next week, U.S. officials say nothing has been finalized yet.

Authorities in southern France are hoping today's weather will bring some relief as crews battle a wildfire that's been raging for days. France's Prime Minister says climate change is partly to blame for the fire, which is the biggest France has seen in decades.

The new Trump administration tariffs kicked in Thursday at the highest rates since the Great Depression. Inflation had already been slowly creeping up, and Americans could now see even steeper prices on many goods like electronics and clothing. CNN's Vanessa Yurkevich explains.

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VANESSA YURKEVICH, CNN BUSINESS AND POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, these are the highest tariff levels in almost a century. The last time we saw tariffs even close to this was in the 1930s when the Great Depression then followed. But this is President Trump's big bet on shrinking the U.S.'s trade deficit and bringing manufacturing back to the United States.

Now, tariff rates start at 10 percent, but then increase all the way up to 50 percent. Just look at Brazil at 50 percent.

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And other nations with the steepest tariffs are Syria at 41 percent, and Laos and Myanmar at about 40 percent, and Switzerland at 39 percent, you have Iraq, Serbia and South Africa all above 30 percent. But it is U.S. retailers, businesses, importers that ultimately will pay those higher tariffs that bring those goods into the United States. They will then have to choose whether to eat the cost or to pass it down to you, the consumer.

So you will likely see higher prices on heavily imported items like clothing, shoes, watches, alcohol and furniture. And we've been hearing from companies since April about how tariffs are affecting their bottom line. On Thursday, Japanese automaker Toyota said they were expecting a $10 billion impact from tariffs, and Elf Cosmetics, which sources its products from China, said profits fell by 30 percent in the second quarter because of tariffs.

And by one estimate, according to the Yale Budget Lab, these tariffs will cost the average American family about $2400 more each year. Back to you. (END VIDEOTAPE)

BRUNHUBER: Now, the ramifications of all these tariffs brought mixed results on Wall Street. The Dow shed hundreds of points Thursday, while the Nasdaq closed at a record high.

And here's how things are shaping up ahead of the opening bell. The Dow, S&P and Nasdaq are all just slightly up.

Now to the Asia-Pacific markets. The Nikkei ended the day in positive territory, but at last check, the other major indices were mostly down. The Hang Seng closed down almost one percentage point, the Seoul KOSPI was down about 0.5 percentage point, and the Shanghai Composite down about 1.1 percentage points.

Well along with the slew of tariffs that kicked in a day ago came a new threat. The U.S. President said he will impose a 100 percent tariff on all imported computer chips and semiconductors. Now it's not clear just how soon it'll take effect, but Donald Trump says there's a way to avoid the tariff altogether, build those products on American soil.

PCN technology analyst Rob Enderle is the principal analyst at the Enderle Group and he's with us from Bend, Oregon. Thank you so much for making time with us this morning, I really appreciate it.

So, President Trump wants 100 percent tariffs on imported semiconductors unless companies invest here. Is this basically telling the tech industry, build in America or we'll double your prices?

ROB ENDERLE, PCN TECHNOLOGY ANALYST, AND PRINCIPAL ANALYST, ENDERLE GROUP: Well, yes, that's pretty much it. Build America or we'll double your prices, but do recognize that it can take years to build up a fab, the manufacturing capacity for chips, four to five years typically to bring a fab into production and clearly his term of office is shorter than that.

So I expect many of the promises are just that, promises. And much like it was in his first term, they probably won't pan out.

BRUNHUBER: Okay, so it's impossible basically for manufacturers to just kind of pick up and move their operations to the U.S., right? It's a long lag here in terms of getting all that established.

ENDERLE: Yes, I mean, you've got to provide water, you've got to provide power, then you've got to staff. And there have been huge staffing problems across the ecosystem. So yes, a lot of stuff has to happen and it mostly can't happen in the time that they've got to implement it.

Plus, the tariffs have been up, down, sideways. Looks like if they just make a promise or give a gift, they can get out from underneath this. And that's probably what we're going to see a lot of promises, gifts, anything to delay these tariffs on certain companies so they don't have to implement what would likely be a failed manufacturing site. BRUNHUBER: Yes, and we have seen Donald Trump push down the line some

of these deadlines for these tariffs. Now, looking at competitors here, I mean, China's apparently pouring money into making their own processors apparently because of our tariffs as well. So at one point, do they just stop needing American chips altogether?

ENDERLE: Well, this is what it's driving -- it's really driving a massive amount of development overseas, particularly in China. China has been closing the technological gap aggressively this year. Companies like Huawei are doing incredible work.

And the end result is by the end of Trump's term, the U.S. is likely going to lose its leadership position, at least in microprocessors.

BRUNHUBER: And I mean, we keep hearing A.I. is the future. But if China then, as you say, kind of passes us in processor technology, does that mean they win the A.I. race as well?

ENDERLE: Yes, we could. I mean, their A.I. advancements have been incredible. I don't know if you've seen some of the robots that are coming out of China, but they're quite a bit more advanced than the ones that are being developed here already.

And so the result is, yes, that we're probably going to see much bigger impact in terms of leadership as a result of this Deepseek, really surprised OpenAI already. And that was used, they used older, out-of-date processors to do it. So that they are doing incredible work over there.

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And of course, we're doing things like sending educational resources back overseas as we validate their visas. And so we're losing a lot of brain talent at the moment.

BRUNHUBER: Yes, exactly. Good, good point.

So if everything with a chip in it, you know, phones, cars, appliances suddenly cost way more, who takes the hit? Are we talking about American consumers paying, you know, hundreds more for basic electronics?

ENDERLE: Yes, tariffs are paid for by the people that are making the purchase in general. And so, yes, you're talking about a significant tax increase that's buried in these tariffs. And of course, here across the board, we're seeing announcements from companies, from grocery stores all the way to technological companies that are saying they're going to have to raise prices significantly to address these tariffs.

BRUNHUBER: And I mean, we remember that chip shortage during COVID. I mean, that sort of showed us what happens when supply chains break. Could these tariffs trigger another shortage? This one, you know, self-inflicted, basically.

ENDERLE: Yes, I think it's being anticipated. A lot of companies are reevaluating their logistics and their supply chains. But the problem is, is these tariffs are up, down and sideways. It's not just they're big, but they're delayed, they're increased, they're decreased.

It takes months to adjust a supply chain and they can't do it in days. And the problem is, is these tariffs have been, have lacked stability, any kind of stability ever since Trump came to office.

BRUNHUBER: Yes, so many possible repercussions here. Some of them they may not have foreseen.

I really appreciate your take on all this. Analyst Rob Enderle in Bend, Oregon. Thank you so much.

ENDERLE: My pleasure.

BRUNHUBER: President Trump is moving to change the way the U.S. counts its population. On Thursday, he said he ordered a new census that wouldn't count undocumented immigrants living in the country.

Now, the move would upend the way the census is usually conducted and it could be unconstitutional. But as Alayna Treene reports, this isn't a first try for President Trump.

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ALAYNA TRENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: This is something we've seen before from the president himself. I remind you back in 2020, in the lead up to that census, the President was fighting repeatedly to try and insert a citizen question into that. It would be the first time that that was changed since 1950.

Now, ultimately, the Supreme Court had blocked it then, but we still saw the president try and move to kind of request citizen data ship from other agencies. But I also think what's important is that this is, of course, would be a longstanding shift in census practices. The surveys historically counted all residents, regardless of immigration status and the census website actually cites Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution on that reasoning.

But I think what's really important here about all of this, of course, is the timing of it. It comes as the president is really encouraging Texas Republicans and other Republicans in red states to try and redraw congressional maps to help boost their chances in the 2026 midterms.

And redistricting, of course, usually takes place after the census is done. And that happens every 10 years, the next time it's up, it's not till 2030.

All to say, I think we still have to figure out whether or not how committed the president actually is to this. But I do think everything that's going on with them looking forward to the midterms is definitely playing a factor in this.

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And we'll be right back with more here on "CNN Newsroom." Please do stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: As the world marks the 80th anniversary of the U.S. nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the number of people who remember those fateful days is dwindling. CNN's Hanako Montgomery sat down with women who are among the last remaining survivors of the bombing of Nagasaki.

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HANAKO MONTGOMERY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kikuyo Nakamura is an atomic bomb survivor, a past, she believes, that killed her own son.

KIKUYO NAKAMURA, NAGASAKI ATOMIC BOMB SURVIVOR (translated): I say, "I'm Sorry" to him every morning and night.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): In 2003, her son Hiroshi was diagnosed with leukemia. He was born three years after the U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki, where the 101-year-old Nakamura still lives. But the doctor claimed, without concrete evidence, that it was her breast milk that poisoned her son.

NAKAMURA (translated): Even now, I still believe what the doctor said that I caused it. That guilt still lives in me. I told my children never to tell anyone outside the family.

If people knew that he died of leukemia, especially before my grandkids got married, others might not want to marry them.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): Women like Nakamura, who lived through the atomic bombings, were often seen by society as damaged, poisoned by the bombs' radiation that make them mothers to disabled children. These unfounded rumors flourished under U.S. occupation, when all reporting on the bombings was banned.

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MASAHIRO NAKASHIMA, RADIATION STUDIES PROF., NAGASAKI UNIVERSITY: Under Japan's deeply rooted patriarchal culture, the effects of radiation exposure on women were especially profound. One can imagine how significantly these factors became obstacles to marriage.

MONTGOMERY: You can tell it's raining quite heavily now, but we're told that survivors of the atomic bombings and their supporters will still come here to remember the lives lost and also to pray for world peace.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): But for Mitsuko Yoshimura, motherhood was a burden she never got to carry. The 102-year-old met her husband a year after she survived the atomic bombing in Nagasaki, the day her world turned into hell on earth.

MITSUKO YOSHIMURA, NAGASAKI ATOMIC BOMB SURVIVOR (translated): When I got out of the road, there were people with blood gushing from their heads, people with the skin peeled off their backs. It was a sea of fire everywhere.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): But the couple never had a family. She had two miscarriages and a stillbirth.

YOSHIMURA (translated): You can see I collect a lot of dolls. But I collect them because I couldn't have children. But I don't blame anyone for my misfortune.

But sometimes I just wished someone would say to me, "that's unfortunate," even just once.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): Yoshimura's grand-niece is a third-generation atomic bomb survivor. But despite her family history, she'd never fully heard Yoshimura's story, until now.

SAORI HAYASAKI, THIRD GENERATION ATOMIC BOMB SURVIVOR (translated): I learned that she had no choice but to become strong to overcome them. I thought the atomic bomb is really terrifying. My father's parents - would still be here if none of that had happened.

Because of it, they had to go hardships that they wouldn't do otherwise had to face.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): Women like Yoshimura and Nakamura didn't choose war, but they were forever changed by its violence, silenced for decades by a world that saw them as broken. But now, they're choosing to speak, hoping the next generation never has to know what it means to lose everything to nuclear war.

NAKAMURA (translated): I beg please never use nuclear bombs. People never need to think carefully. What does winning or losing even bring?

Wanting to expand a country's territory, wanting a country to gain more power, what exactly are people seeing from that? I don't understand it.

But what I do feel deeply is the utter foolishness of war.

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BRUNHUBER: Indigenous women marched in Brazil's capital on Thursday in support of women's rights, local indigenous communities and the environment. It was all part of the country's first national conference of indigenous women.

This year's theme was "Our Bodies, Our Territory, We are the Guardians of the Planet." The Minister of Indigenous People praised the march for putting women at the forefront in a leading role.

Archaeologists in Peru have uncovered evidence that may shed light on what life in the region was like thousands of years ago. Excavations at a temple on the country's west coast have uncovered 14 human skeletons buried face down, some with hands behind their backs.

The remains are around 3000 years old, experts say the way they were buried could show typical forms of human sacrifice. Other evidence uncovered suggests that human activity in the region dates back to 2200 B.C.

Volunteers cleaning up after last month's deadly flooding in Texas made a rare discovery under the debris. Have a look at this.

Experts say these clawed footprints are from dinosaurs. The flooding washed away trees, dirt and gravel, exposing the tracks. They're thought to be up to 115 million years old. One expert told CNN that the tracks were made by Acrocanthosaurus, a large carnivore.

The U.K.'s Royal Mail is releasing a stamp collection next week honoring the off-the-wall comedy legends who served up treats like Spam, "The Dead Parrot" sketch and the movie "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," which premiered 50 years ago, believe it or not.

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UNKNOWN: You are indeed brave tonight, but the fight is mine.

UNKNOWN: Oh, and enough, eh?

UNKNOWN: Look, you stupid (expletive), you've got no arms left!

UNKNOWN: Yes, I have.

UNKNOWN: Look. It's just a flesh wound.

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BRUNHUBER: Classic scene there. The Monty Python collection includes 10 stamps, with a sheet of them costing as little as 6 pounds 80, or about $9. The cult classic T.V. show "Monty Python's Flying Circus" aired from 1969 to 1974. The Royal Mail says the collection, quote, "honors a body of work that has shaped the comedic landscape for nearly six decades."

All right, thank you so much for joining me, I'm Kim Brunhuber in Atlanta. "Amanpour" is next, and there's more news on "Early Start" with M.J. Lee in about an hour.

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