Return to Transcripts main page

CNN Newsroom

Chicago Mayor Signs Order To Resist Trump Immigration Crackdown; Senior Lawmaker Shot Dead In Western Ukrainian City; 3 Dead, Dozens Injured As Russia Launches Massive Strikes On Ukraine; Modi, Putin, Xi To Meet In China Amid U.S. Pressure; German Chancellor: No Meeting Between Zelenskyy And Putin; Putin And Xi To Meet In China This Weekend. Group Calls for a Ban on Carriage Horses in Central Park; Utah Redistricting Ruling; Tariff Exemption on Cheap Good Ends. Aired 1-2p ET

Aired August 30, 2025 - 13:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[13:00:49]

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello again, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me this Saturday. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

And this breaking news into CNN, Chicago is taking new actions to thwart President Trump's looming immigration crackdown. Mayor Brandon Johnson has just signed an executive order laying out his plans to resist Trump's efforts to step up immigration enforcement in the city, and that could begin in the coming days.

I want to go straight to CNN's Julia Benbrook, who is following this story. Julia, you know, what is in the order just put out by the mayor?

JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson in recent weeks has accused President Donald Trump of, quote, "stoking fear." He's now signing this executive order laying out initial plans for how his city will try to resist the planned immigration crackdown.

Here are some of the key takeaways. It, quote, "Affirms that Chicago police will not collaborate with federal agents on joint law enforcement patrols, arrest operations or other law enforcement duties, including civil immigration enforcement."

The order also urges federal law enforcement officers who operate in Chicago to refrain from wearing masks, to wear and use body cameras and to identify themselves to members of the public with names and badge numbers. It also directs city departments to pursue all available legal and legislative avenues to resist coordinated efforts from the federal government that violate the rights of people in the community, including the right to peaceably assemble and the right to due process.

So ultimately, this order calls on Trump to stand down from deploying military forces to Chicago for immigration enforcement. But it's not clear how effective that call will be. Johnson is not alone, though, in pushing back against the Trump administration's plans to deploy federal forces to Chicago.

Illinois Governor JB Pritzker has also railed against the idea. He has repeatedly pointed to the lack of communication with local officials, saying that if all of this is about fighting crime and making the streets safe, then there should be conversations and consultations with the governor, the mayor and the police.

In a recent interview, Pritzker claimed that Trump has, quote, "other aims." Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEOCLIP)

GOV. JB PRITZKER (D), ILLINOIS: They should understand that he has other aims other than fighting crime. That's the first thing they should understand. The second is it's an attack on the American people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said he has other aims. What are the other aims?

PRITZKER: The other aims are that he'd like to stop the elections in 2026 or frankly, take control of those elections. He'll just claim that there's some problem with an election. And then he's got troops on the ground that can take control if, in fact, he's allowed to do this.

(END VIDEOCLIP)

BENBROOK: And, Fred, CNN has reached out to the White House for any comment on that order Johnson is expected to sign any moment now.

WHITFIELD: All right. And then Trump is also talking about sending in the National Guard to, you know, tackle crime is what Trump is saying in Chicago. How is that being received in that state?

BENBROOK: Lots of pushback there as well. As I mentioned earlier, Johnson has been claiming that Trump is stoking fear about this community. And they have pointed those leaders have pointed to a decrease in violent crime numbers in recent years.

We do know that the administration's plans for Chicago would be different from the ongoing law enforcement crackdown here in Washington, D.C. Instead, it's expected to look more like Trump's deployment of the National Guard to Los Angeles back in June to quell immigration protest. Trump is currently facing a legal challenge over that deployment. Fred?

WHITFIELD: All right. Julia Benbrook, thanks so much.

All right, we've got some other breaking news for you as well. And a word of caution, some viewers may find this distressing. New video into CNN shows the scene after a senior Ukrainian lawmaker was shot and killed in the western city of Lviv. Andriy Parubiy was previously the chair of the Ukrainian Parliament. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called it a horrendous murder. No arrests have been made in the attack. The killing comes as Russia unleashed another round of devastating attacks on Ukraine.

CNN's Melissa Bell has the story.

MELISSA BELL, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, it was another night of violence across Ukraine, aerial bombardments that left at least three dead, killing several dozen as well. These aerial bombardments, most of them by drone, most of them intercepted by Ukrainian air defense.

[13:05:11]

Still, President Zelenskyy speaking to the fact that these latest attacks show the fact that Moscow, he says, is simply not interested in peace. Bear in mind also that this comes just a couple of days after that second largest air assault on Kyiv since the full-scale invasion began, where more than 20 people died.

This, an important reminder, says President Zelenskyy, that what is needed is further pressure on Moscow. We're just a couple of days away, of course, from what had been the deadline fixed by President Trump for President Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin to come together to begin talks. No sign of that happening any time soon.

Quite the contrary, there's been an escalation these last few days in the violence. We've also seen overnight Ukrainian forces target oil refineries across the Russian border. Vladimir Putin himself, Fredricka, is actually on his way to China, where he'll be meeting with Xi Jinping for a summit, but also a military parade. And no suggestion that he is interested in turning up at any negotiating table anytime soon, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Melissa Bell, thanks so much.

All right, as we just heard from Melissa, China's President Xi Jinping will host Vladimir Putin for a visit that begins tomorrow, and he won't be the only world leader there. CNN's Ivan Watson explains.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Three world leaders whose countries dominate the map of Asia are about to meet in China for a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But looming over this Eurasian gathering will be the elephant not in the room.

YUN SUN, CHINA PROGRAM DIRECTOR, STIMSON CENTER: For this particular summit, U.S. may not be at the table, but U.S. is always present.

WATSON (voice-over): India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi will make his first trip to China in seven years --

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We did it with India.

WATSON (voice-over): -- days after Trump slammed a 50 percent tariff on Indian exports to the U.S. China and India's relationship cratered after a series of deadly clashes first erupted along their disputed border in 2020.

JOE BIDEN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So welcome again, Mr. Prime Minister. We have a big agenda.

WATSON (voice-over): For decades, Washington has been grooming India as a democratic counterbalance to China. But that suddenly changed in July when Trump called India a dead economy and announced his punishing tariffs, insisting it was a penalty for buying Russian oil.

SUSHANT SINGH, LECTURER IN SOUTH ASIAN STUDIES, YALE UNIVERSITY: India needs the support of the United States. And with that support no longer assured, or in fact almost gone, Mr. Modi had no option but to go and cut a deal with President Xi.

WATSON (voice-over): Meanwhile, Russia's president will stand with his old friend Xi Jinping again, shortly after Trump rolled out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin in Alaska.

TRUMP: Thank you very much, Vladimir.

I'm very disappointed with the conversation I had today with President Putin.

WATSON (voice-over): But Trump's on-again, off-again overtures to the Russian strongman unlikely to impact Russia and China's so-called no- limits partnership. Analysts say the glue that binds these once hostile neighbors ever closer is their shared perception of the U.S. as a threat.

SUN: For Washington, the traditional term that has been used is, how do we break the Russia-China collusion? Well, it's a catch-22, because your desire to break their collusion is the reason that they collude in the first place.

WATSON (voice-over): In 2022, just days before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Putin and Xi called for the creation of a new world order. The U.S.'s biggest global competitor is now capitalizing on Trump's chaotic diplomacy.

SUN: The message here that we have seen China emphasize is, China represents credibility. It represents stability. It represents policy predictability.

WATSON (voice-over): Expect Xi to use this summit to present a Chinese-led alternative to a world long dominated by the U.S.

Ivan Watson, CNN, Tianjin, China.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

WHITFIELD: All right, let's get more on these developments now. With us is Toby Gati. She is a former assistant secretary of state for Intelligence and Research under President Clinton and played a key role in U.S. policy with Russia.

Good to see you again. So I want to get back to that, you know, meeting in China in a moment. But first, you and I spoke, you know, here a couple of weeks ago following the Alaska summit. President Trump said at the time that he was optimistic that some kind of peace agreement could be reached. And we see where things stand now. Is there anything positive, in your view, that did come out of that meeting?

TOBY GATI, FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INTELLIGENCE AND RESEARCH: I think the only thing that's positive, frankly, that came out of the Alaska meeting was the clear indication that Putin's just not interested in ending the war in Ukraine. And for most people, that was a clear message, unfortunately, for our president, President Trump.

[13:10:10]

It wasn't. He still thinks he can schmooze with Putin, promise him things, roll out literally the red carpet. You know, Putin has moved on. He got what he wanted from Trump. He got legitimacy. He is now an OK person in the United States, or at least for President Trump.

And now he's off to the rest of the world. And the rest of the world doesn't have to be convinced that Putin is an OK person. They are very happy to deal with him. And the Chinese are happy to see them. The Indians are really happy that somebody takes them seriously because, obviously, the U.S., in putting a 50 percent tariff on them, doesn't.

So there's not much that came out of the summit. The team that President Trump has is inexperienced, doesn't know how to negotiate with all these world leaders. It's way out of its depth. And this is so clear constantly.

Mr. Witkoff has both Russia and the Middle East. You can't do that. One person can't do that, especially if what you did before was build big buildings in New York City.

WHITFIELD: Coming out of that Alaska summit, Trump seemed to feel optimistic that there was hope for this trilateral between he, Ukraine's Zelenskyy and, you know, Russia's Vladimir Putin. Here's Germany's chancellor on where that stands.

(BEGIN VIDEOCLIP)

FRIEDRICH MERZ, GERMAN CHANCELLOR (through translation): There obviously will not be a meeting between President Zelenskyy and President Putin, different from what was agreed between President Trump and President Putin last week when we were in Washington together.

(END VIDEOCLIP)

WHITFIELD: So President Trump, you know, now saying he still thinks a trilateral meeting will happen. Can a peace agreement or some kind of ceasefire be achieved without a face-to-face meeting between a Putin and a Zelenskyy?

GATI: No, obviously, at some point, there'll have to be a face-to-face meeting. You usually don't call your three highest level people together to say, so what's on the agenda? How do we talk about security guarantees? What part of Ukraine do you want?

That's not how it works. You prepare all that in advance. And when you don't bring your team there who knows anything about Russia or Ukraine, you are really just flying blind. And so Putin got what he wanted from the summit, and there's no reason for him to have a trilateral meeting, and he's not going to.

WHITFIELD: All right. So now Putin in China, you know, four days of meeting there, not just jetting in and out. What does that tell you about the leverage or the hopes that Russia might have in that kind of meeting? India is there, obviously, you know, China. What is being signaled here?

GATI: This is a great meeting for Putin. It's all the world leaders, all of them don't have to be convinced that you can't rely on the United States. The Indians are absolutely seething about the tariffs that have been put on them for selling, for buying oil from Russia when the country that buys the most oil is China.

And, of course, we've done nothing against the Chinese. The countries there believe that the United States in the past has not been the greatest of allies, but they've respected our power and our strength and our willingness to lead global institutions. Well, that's gone.

And so they're looking among themselves to figure out what the world is going to look like, and we are not there. And this is such a shift from the past that I think most Americans really don't appreciate the fact that countries are just not looking to us for leadership anymore because we start in one direction and then we turn around.

And Putin is a master at dealing with this. I mean, what did he get President Trump most excited about? He got excited about electronic voting, which is not an issue --

WHITFIELD: Right.

GATI: -- that the Russians should be speaking about since their parliamentary elections next year will be 100 percent electronic voting, which, by the way, you can also cheat on, and the Russians will figure that out soon enough.

WHITFIELD: And then how should --

GATI: So --

WHITFIELD: Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

GATI: Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. WHITFIELD: I was going to say, and then how should Trump be thinking and feeling that this summit, this meeting is taking place? India's Modi has said out loud that Trump shouldn't be taking credit for a ceasefire, for ending a war between India and Pakistan. And he's saying it out loud. I mean, that's quite embarrassing because, you know, Trump has been saying, you know, I ended six wars and this was one of them, he says, he ended.

GATI: Well, I don't think you can embarrass Trump with that kind of a comment. So I don't think embarrassing is a way to go.

[13:15:02]

He said he had solved seven wars. When you analyze most of them, he had very little to do to do with them. And I think that all Trump really wants, we all know this, is a Nobel Peace Prize. And he's not going to get that because the Nobel Committee, you know, is as clear eyed as the leaders of the rest of the world.

So I think America is a loser here. And I wish Americans understood that, that when you're an inconsistent leader and people don't -- can't follow you because they don't know where you're going. It's very difficult to make your views heard and to make you respected in the world community.

So we have a real problem. And the Alaska summit was just one instance of that where Putin got what he wanted, you know, did the checkmark. America isn't going to bother me anymore. And now he's leading with countries who are very serious and very concerned about what security looks like in Asia.

Now, they're not going to turn to Russia to have an alliance with them, but they are going to turn away from the U.S. And it's really our loss. And this is a very serious situation and can have repercussions for many years to come because we are not the world leader that we used to be.

WHITFIELD: Will there be real power in that picture that will come Wednesday when Putin is standing there with Xi Jinping on this military parade as well?

GATI: Well, that's the other thing. He's spending four full days, OK, as opposed to three plus hours in Alaska. So that tells you a lot. Two days at the Shanghai summit and then two days with Xi. And I can assure you that those are going to be days full of, you know, how do we make sure that we have influence in the global system at the upcoming United Nations session where we've, of course, again, shot ourselves in the foot by not giving the Palestinians visas to come to that meeting.

So there's a lot of reckoning that's going to come due in terms of U.S. foreign policy, but not until more Americans understand that they live in a different country and the world sees them very differently.

WHITFIELD: Toby Gati, always great to have you. Thank you so much.

GATI: Thank you. Bye-bye.

WHITFIELD: All right, still ahead, horse carriage controversy in New York's Central Park. Why one group is calling for a ban on the iconic rides.

Plus, new developments in the nationwide redistricting race by Republicans in Missouri and Utah are gearing up to redraw their congressional maps.

And much of your online shopping is about to get a lot more expensive. The new tariff policy change that could wreak havoc on your wallet.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[13:22:24]

WHITFIELD: I want to take you straight to Chicago now where the Mayor, Brandon Johnson, is speaking after signing an executive order designed to combat President Trump's law enforcement plan in that city. Let's listen in.

MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON (D), CHICAGO: We do not want to see tanks in our streets. Let me start by saying this. I do not take this executive action lightly. I would have preferred to work in a more collaborative approach. I would have preferred to do the work with our allies and city council to pass legislation ultimately.

And we were doing that. We were doing just that. But some of the leaders who we are working with are standing behind me today. But unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of time. We have received credible reports that we have days, not weeks, before our city sees some type of militarized activity by the federal government.

It is unclear at this time what that will look like exactly. We may see militarized immigration enforcement. We may also see National Guard troops. We may even see active-duty military and armed vehicles in our streets.

We have not called for this. Our people have not asked for this. But nevertheless, we find ourselves having to respond to this.

Let me be absolutely clear. Although we believe the reports we have received are highly credible, this is an erratic, impulsive administration, and it is not always possible to understand and know exactly how he will move.

He could change his mind. He could reverse course. In fact, I encourage him to do that. Still, we take these threats seriously, and we find ourselves in a position where we must take immediate, drastic action to protect our people from federal overreach.

I'm signing an executive order today that will launch the Protecting Chicago Initiative. This is a project that builds on the months of preparation that we have done that have -- that we've done that has led up to this very moment. Protecting Chicago will ensure that every Chicagoan knows their rights, that every single family is prepared, and every part of city government is directed to protect the people of Chicago from federal action.

[13:25:06]

This sweeping executive order directs our Department of Law to pursue any and every legal mechanism to hold this administration accountable for violating the rights of Chicagoans. This order affirms that the Chicago Police Department will not collaborate with military personnel on police patrols or civil immigration enforcement.

We will not have our police officers, who are working hard every single day to drive down crime, deputized to do traffic stops and checkpoints for the President. This order affirms the CPD officers will be directed to wear CPD uniforms and refrain from wearing masks so that residents can clearly distinguish them from federal agents.

And finally, as I said, it establishes the Protecting Chicago initiative, the most sweeping campaign of any city in the country to protect ourselves from the threats and actions of this out-of-control administration. We will protect our Constitution, we will protect our city, and we will protect our people.

We do not want to see tanks in our streets. We do not want to see families ripped apart. We do not want grandmothers thrown into the back of unmarked vans. We don't want to see homeless Chicagoans harassed or disappeared by federal agents.

We don't want to see Chicagoans arrested for sitting on their porch. That's not who we are as a city, and that's not who we are as a nation. My team and I have spoken with the governor, the county president, and with our federal delegation, and we are in complete alignment.

The time for action is now.

With that, I will sign this executive order and then return for follow-up questions.

WHITFIELD: All right, that was the Chicago Mayor, Brandon Johnson, calling this administration neurotic and impulsive and out-of-control, substantiating why he says he believes it's necessary to sign this executive order protecting Chicago initiative.

He said that he will not allow Chicago police to collaborate with military patrols, as has been threatened by the administration. And the mayor saying he does not take this lightly. He wanted to go through the legislature, but felt compelled to protect Chicagoans.

He said he doesn't want to see families pulled apart or grandmothers put into vehicles and taken away. So you're seeing right here him signing this executive order to what he calls protect Chicago.

We'll have much more straight ahead. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[13:30:00]

WHITFIELD: All right. Visitors heading to New York City may enjoy a ride in the iconic horse drawn carriages this Labor Day weekend, but the Central Park fixture may soon become a thing of the past. CNN's Leigh Waldman joins me now with more details on this. So, what's behind a now proposed ban?

LEIGH WALDMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fred, the topic of banning these carriage horses has been a politically contentious topic for more than a decade now, really ramping up over these last few years. And historically, it was approached from an animal rights point of view, but in May there was two instances where these horses broke free from their handlers and were loose here in Central Park. That's what prompted the conservancy to add their voice to the mix and say, hey, it's time to stop this practice altogether. And just a warning for people at home, some of the images you're about to see can be graphic.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRISTINA HANSEN, CARRIAGE HORSE DRIVER, CHIEF SHOP STEWARD TWU LOCAL 100: Hey. Hey. Good morning. Good morning.

WALDMAN (voice-over): It's a familiar sound in Central Park. The carriage horses and their drivers welcoming tourists and locals into the heart of the city.

HANSEN: I think it's a misconception that, you know, oh, we're just a holdover from when everybody had horses. No, this is something that's always been special.

WALDMAN (voice-over): For more than a decade Christina Hansen has been a carriage horse driver in New York City. She also sees herself as an advocate for the working animals that are under a new wave of scrutiny.

HANSEN: But the conservancy has sort of taken sides with the animal rights activists because their timing was clearly designed to help push this anti-carriage horse ban bill that we've got. I know.

WALDMAN (voice-over): The nonprofit that maintains New York City's iconic green space, the Central Park Conservancy, is pushing for a ban on the carriage horses, but not for animal rights reasons.

BETSY SMITH, PRESIDENT, CEO CENTRAL PARK CONSERVANCY: The horse carriages have been an ongoing issue. And really, it was a couple of safety issues in May that really brought it again to the fore.

WALDMAN (voice-over): In her letter to the mayor's office, Betsy Smith described two instances in May where carriage horses broke loose from their handlers, writing, the risk to public safety can no longer be responsibly overlooked.

SMITH: We have 40 million people use the park, things like that are very, very unsustainable and worrisome to people.

WALDMAN (voice-over): The Conservancy also points to damaged infrastructure from the horse carriages and sanitation issues from what's left behind by the animals. It's the first time the Central Park Conservancy is adding its voice to the fight over the decade's old tradition.

[13:35:00]

SMITH: There is something iconic about the horses in the park, we feel sympathetic to that, but actually, trumping that is our feeling that we have to manage the park to make it safe for everyone. And these issues really together made it really the point.

WALDMAN (voice-over): Ultimately, it's not up to the Conservancy or the Carriage Horse Union. The decision on whether or not to keep horses strolling through Central Park lies with the mayor and the city council.

ROBERT HOLDEN, NEW YORK CITY COUNCILMAN, DISTRICT 30: Well, you can't think of a worse place to be for a horse than on the busy streets of Manhattan.

WALDMAN (voice-over): Councilman Robert Holden introduced a new piece of legislation hoping to ban the practice by next June. For him, it's an issue of animal safety.

HOLDEN: Day in and day out, they're pulling carriages and they're suffering. And that's why you see horses drop.

WALDMAN (voice-over): His bill, Rider's Law, is named after a horse that collapsed in "Hell's Kitchen" in 2022 and was later euthanized. Earlier this month, another horse collapsed and died on the street after working in New York City for less than two months. Drivers like Hansen say these issues are isolated, that their horses are cared for and have strict safety regulations.

HANSEN: It's my hope that this is an opportunity for the city council, for New Yorkers or whatever to remember like what we're actually all about here and what kind of protections that we have.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WALDMAN (on camera): Now, Councilman Holden would like to see these horse-drawn carriages replaced with electric carriages instead. Now, we spoke to the union that represents these carriage drivers, they say, the safety risks in the park don't stem from their animals, they stem from the motorized scooters and bikes that frequent through here. We asked Mayor Eric Adams, where he stood on this issue. His office says they're looking into it in a way that could protect the animals and the people who frequent the park here, Fred.

WHITFIELD: Oh, interesting. All right. Leigh Waldman, let us know when there's a decision. Thank you. All right. Still ahead, Utah is ordered to redraw its congressional maps ahead of the 2026 midterm elections after a judge ruled that they were unlawful. The latest on the nationwide redistricting battle, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[13:40:00]

WHITFIELD: All right. In an unexpected twist, a judge's rule that Utah's congressional map that has been in place since 2021 must be redrawn for the 2026 elections. That district court judge ruled earlier this week, the Republican controlled body circumvented safeguards put in place by votes to ensure districts are not drawn to favor any party.

I'm joined now by David Reymann. He's an attorney who represented the Anti-Gerrymandering Utah Group which the judge sided with in this case. David, great to see you. All right. So, let's get started by getting your reaction to this ruling.

DAVID REYMANN, ATTORNEY REPRESENTING ANTI-GERRYMANDERING UTAH GROUP: Well, we were we were elated by the ruling. We were not entirely surprised because it was not the first word that courts had on this issue in Utah. We had a ruling by our state Supreme Court last July, a little more than a year ago, that said that the legislatures -- at least a telegraph, that the legislature's repeal of what the voters had enacted, the anti-gerrymandering measured that the voters had enacted, that their repeal of it was subject to what's called strict scrutiny. And so, the judge's decision in the district court that said the maps -- that the map was invalid, was essentially the last chapter of what the Supreme Court started last summer.

WHITFIELD: Republican officials are expected to appeal this ruling. Are you confident that this judge's order will stand and that these new maps will be in place in time for the 2026 midterms?

REYMANN: Yes, we're very confident. We're not concerned about their appeal. They're recycling the same arguments they tried more than a year ago, essentially arguing that the only -- that there's no constraint on what the legislature can do in terms of drawing maps, that the courts don't have any role, that the people don't have any role, and that's just wrong as a matter of law under our Constitution. And the Supreme Court has already -- our Supreme Court has already spoken to that.

And so, they can try again. They can try again to convince the Supreme Court to do something that our Constitution doesn't support, but we're not concerned about that.

WHITFIELD: All right. Lawmakers changing maps is a real thing these days. Texas Republicans just changed the congressional maps in that state to favor their party. Missouri is now following Texas' lead and Democrats in California are asking voters to approve changes that would benefit Democrats. Do you think the courts will step in all of these cases and stop any potential changes?

REYMANN: Well, I can't speak to what's going on in those other states, but what I can tell you is that this has been a long -- this is not just a recent thing in Utah, this is a proposition that was passed in 2018 by Utah voters to put an end to these kinds of political races to the bottom that are going on in other states. And besides banning partisan gerrymandering, which is something that Utah voters have rejected and what's going on in other states for all of the problematic reasons that you're seeing play out, one of the things that voters also said in Utah is that this happens by the legislature only every 10 years like it should.

And so, Utah, I think what is playing out here is kind of a -- it should be a beacon to these other states that are seeing gerrymandering as just a political tool that's being used for expediency. We, in this state, said we don't want any of that. We want non-partisan -- a non-partisan process.

[13:45:00]

And it's unfortunate that our legislature is fighting against that because it was decisively stated by voters that that is what they wanted. But that has been the fight in Utah for the last seven years. And the district court's ruling this week was an emphatic rejection of the dynamic that is playing out in other states.

WHITFIELD: All right. David Reymann, we'll leave it there. Thank you so much.

REYMANN: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: All right. For years, Americans used a tariff loophole to buy cheap goods from abroad. Well, a new tariff change by the Trump administration is bringing that to an end, and it could wreak havoc on online shopping. How much you could see prices skyrocket.

Plus, a man who was deported to Mexico is speaking out to CNN after video of his arrest went viral. His message to federal agents.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[13:50:00]

WHITFIELD: All right. The packages you order online could get more expensive. For years, the U.S. has waived tariffs on packaged shipments valued at less than $800, but that exemption has officially expired. A change that President Trump says is permanent. Now, shoppers and small businesses ordering from abroad will face higher costs. Anna Cooban has the latest.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANNA COOBAN, CNN BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS REPORTER: De minimis, it's a term you may be hearing a lot today. It's Latin for something lacking in significance or importance, but some people may not quite agree with that. You see President Donald Trump has scrapped the so-called de minimis exemption, a rule that has allowed products worth $800 or less to enter the United States from all around the world without crucially paying an import tax. That exemption has allowed low-cost goods like clothes, makeup, home decor, really anything that you can think of to flow into the U.S. relatively easily and help fuel a booming global e-commerce industry like these brands here.

And as you can see here, over the last decade, this number has grown significantly. That is partly why Trump is ending this de minimis exemption, is to help discourage Americans from buying overseas and incentivize homegrown manufacturing. U.S. Customs and Border Protection estimated that over 1.36 billion shipments enter the U.S. during the last financial year under this de minimis exemption, and that more than 4 million were processed every single day.

Sellers will face different tariffs depending on which country they are in. They'll face an $80 tariff if -- per item for -- if they're in a country with an overall tariff rate of 16 percent -- below 16 percent, and an up to $160 tariff per item if they're in a country with an overall tariff rate of between 16 and 25 percent, and then a brutal $200 per item tariff if they're in a country with an overall tariff rate above 25 percent. Right now, for example, Brazil and India have a 50 percent tariff placed on most of their goods flowing into the United States.

Sellers may decide to pass those extra costs onto U.S. consumers, and that means that those late-night impulse purchases will come with an even bigger dose of morning regret, or they may simply not arrive at all. Postal services around the world, including in Japan and Australia and across Europe have temporarily suspended shipments to the United States. That's because some say they are simply unsure of how to navigate the new system. How do they make sure the tariffs are paid? What paperwork is needed? And it's not yet clear when these services will be back up and running.

For now, Americans wanting to indulge in some retail therapy will simply have fewer options.

Anna Cooban, CNN, London.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: Thanks so much, Anna. President Trump has made some surprising claims about tariffs from saying they will make the country richer than it has ever done so before, too arguing that tariffs would have prevented the Great Depression. But what does history actually say about this economic sledgehammer. In his latest documentary special, Fareed Zakaria looks back at America's Past with tariffs. "Big, Beautiful Tariff: A Fareed Zakaria Special," that airs Monday at 8:00 p.m. right here on CNN.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST (voice-over): April 2, 2025, America's so- called Liberation Day. as President Trump unveiled new tariffs on countries spanning the globe.

DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: Jobs and factories will come roaring back into our country.

ZAKARIA (voice-over): He wanted to return America to its glory days.

TRUMP: We're going to produce the cars and ships, chips, airplanes that we need right here in America.

ZAKARIA (voice-over): We make steel. We make steel and talk steel. Trump was tapping into a powerful nostalgia for an economy that used to make things. And for the bountiful middle class manufacturing jobs that came with it.

TRUMP: This will be indeed the golden age of America.

ZAKARIA (voice-over): A century ago, America had a longing for another lost era. It led to massive tariffs designed to help one industry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Depression, veer, and failures top the nation.

ZAKARIA (voice-over): Which then damaged the entire economy. This is the story of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. A law that carries dire warnings for America today.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[13:55:00]

WHITFIELD: There's no place like Vegas. The "Wizard of Oz" at this sphere has officially taken audiences down the yellow brick road like never before. The show premiered on Thursday as an ultra-massive A.I.- enhanced experience that wraps the classic 1939 film across a 160,000- square foot screen. More than 120,000 tickets have already been sold. The experience is complete --

[14:00:00]