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Appeals Court Strikes Down Many Trump Tariffs; Chicago Mayor Plans Response If Trump Sends in National Guard; CDC In Crisis After Director Fired, Top Leaders Resign; Interview With Former Health And Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius; Minnesota Shooter Wore Mask, Body Armor; Interview With Minnesota State Representative Emma Greenman; What's Next In Trump Fight With Fed Governor Cook; Appeals Court Strikes Down Many Trump Tariffs; The Bravery In Educating Girls In Afghanistan. Aired 5-6p ET

Aired August 30, 2025 - 17:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jessica Dean here in New York.

And tonight, two of President Donald Trump's top priorities, tariffs and immigration enforcement facing major setbacks as separate rulings find them to be out of step with the Constitution.

First, a federal judge in Washington, D.C., blocking the effort to quickly deport migrants who were detained when they are clearly inside the United States. The judge ruling the current Trump administration policy deprives individuals of their Fifth Amendment right to due process.

And second, a federal appeals court striking down many of President Trump's tariffs, saying he overstepped his authority and the Constitution clearly makes tariffs a power of Congress, not of the president. The court said it would allow the tariffs to stay in place until October.

We're covering the fallout from these rulings across all angles. CNN senior White House reporter Betsy Klein and CNN correspondent Julia Benbrook, both there in Washington.

Betsy, let's start first with you there at the White House and let's talk about this tariff ruling. Obviously, this is central policy to the Trump administration. What has the administration's response been so far?

BETSY KLEIN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well Jessica, the common thread for both of these is a president testing the limits of his executive authority. And we saw early in the Trump administration, the president seeking to transform the global economic order and really reimagine U.S. alliances abroad as he imposed those tariff policies.

But at issue at this particular case was whether the president unlawfully used his emergency powers when he imposed those tariffs. And a federal appeals court ruling Friday that the tariffs overstepped that power.

This court says that the authority to impose tariffs and taxes is something that lies solely with Congress. It is granted to the legislative branch of government.

It's very important to note, as you mentioned, that these tariffs will remain in place. This order, according to the court, will not go into effect until October, giving the White House the Trump administration some additional time to appeal this ruling in court.

But this is certainly a major setback for what has been a cornerstone of the president's economic policy with these tariffs.

And we are starting to hear top Trump officials warn of the consequences. We heard from Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, who said prior to the ruling that suspending tariffs would quote, "lead to dangerous diplomatic embarrassment".

We also heard from Attorney General Pamela Bondi, who said that this ruling undermines the U.S. on the world stage.

And we also heard from President Trump, who turned to a familiar playbook of attacking the judicial branch as he set up some next steps in a post to social media. The president saying, quote, "All tariffs are still in effect today. A highly-partisan appeals court incorrectly said that our tariffs should be removed. But they know the United States of America will win in the end. If these tariffs ever went away, it would be a total disaster for the country." He goes on to say that now, with the help of the United States Supreme Court, we will use them to the benefit of our nation.

So certainly a blow from this court to the president's trade policies for now, setting up so many questions about some of those ongoing trade negotiations abroad. And also real-world impact for American consumers who have been faced with so much uncertainty over the past several months. This will likely become a brewing battle at the Supreme Court in the weeks and months ahead, Jessica.

DEAN: All right. Betsy Klein at the White House with the latest on that, thanks so much.

Let's bring in Julia Benbrook now. We're going to get more to the that deportation ruling in a minute.

But first let's talk about Chicago's Mayor Brandon Johnson just signing this executive order aimed at resisting the Trump administration's plan to send National Guard troops into that city, which could happen in a matter of days.

What more are you learning about that?

JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There are a lot of pieces to this related to President Donald Trump's anti-crime agenda, as well as his immigration crackdown.

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BENBROOK: And according to multiple sources familiar with the planning, the Trump administration is preparing for a major immigration enforcement operation in Chicago as early as next week.

Now, the city's Mayor Brandon Johnson, who in recent days has accused President Donald Trump of quote, "stoking fear", signed an executive order earlier this afternoon that lays out his initial plans for the city to try and resist that planned immigration crackdown.

He spoke with reporters as he signed that order and explained his reasoning. Take a listen.

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BRANDON JOHNSON (d), CHICAGO MAYOR: I do not take this executive action lightly. I would have preferred to work in a more collaborative approach, but unfortunately we do not have the luxury of time.

We have received credible reports that we have days, not weeks, before our city sees some type of militarized activity by the federal government.

This is an erratic, impulsive administration and it is not always possible to understand and know exactly how he will move. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BENBROOK: So here are some of the key takeaways from that order. It says that police will not collaborate with federal agents on immigration enforcement. It urges federal officers to avoid wearing face masks and to identify themselves to members of the public with names and badge numbers. It also directs city departments to resist any efforts that violate the rights of Chicago citizens.

Now, we did reach out to the White House for a response to this order, and a spokesperson said in part, "If these Democrats focused on fixing crime in their own cities, instead of doing publicity stunts to criticize the president, their communities would be safer."

Now, as Trump has taken aim at Chicago specifically, both when it comes to the immigration side of things and his anti-crime agenda, both Johnson and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker have pointed to the lack of communication with their local teams, the people on the ground as a major concern.

DEAN: And Julia, I also want to get back to the deportation ruling, which we were talking about at the top of the show, and what this means for Trumps overall effort to enforce immigration laws, again, another key cornerstone of this administration -- policy for this administration.

BENBROOK: Well, yes. And as you mentioned earlier, the federal judge blocked the Trump administrations effort that aims to speed up deportations of migrants detained in the interior of the United States, slamming it as a violation of due process. The judge made the point that unlike migrants detained at or near the border who have previously been subject to expedited removal, the people the administration are now targeting have long since entered the country.

The push to accelerate those deportations was put into effect in the early days of Trumps second term, Jessica.

DEAN: All right. Julia Benbrook from Washington, thank you so much.

Also tonight we're learning some more about the firing of CDC chief Susan Monarez. Sources telling CNN the weeks before her ouster, top HHS officials repeatedly pressed her in meetings to commit to signing off on possible restrictions on new vaccines. One person in those meetings was Jim O'Neill, the number two at HHS, who has since become the CDCs acting chief.

In the meantime, four other senior officials of the agency resigned this week, warning of the direction of public health under Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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DR. DEMETRE DASKALAKIS, FORMER CDC CHIEF OF VACCINES AND RESPIRATORY DISEASES: I think that another important thing to ask the secretary is has he been ever briefed by a CDC expert on anything, specifically measles, COVID 19, flu? The answer is no. So no one from my center has ever briefed him on any of those topics.

Yes, he's getting information from somewhere, but that information is not coming from CDC experts who really are the world's experts in this area.

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DEAN: We are joined now by former Health and Human Services secretary and former governor of Kansas, Kathleen Sebelius. Secretary, thank you so much for your time tonight. We really appreciate this.

KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, FORMER SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: Of course.

DEAN: First, I just want to get your reaction to what we just heard from one of those officials who is no longer with the CDC. That the HHS secretary has never, in his words, been briefed on any of those topics -- COVID, he listed other diseases, the flu.

Does that surprise you? By the -- by the CDC, not briefed by the CDC.

SEBELIUS: Right. Well, I would say it shocks me. The fact that Secretary Kennedy does not have a medical degree, frankly, isn't unusual. A lot of us who served as secretaries did not have a medical degree, were not scientists ourselves. And that's a humbling way to go into an enormous agency like HHS.

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SEBELIUS: What it does is, for most people, make you want to seek information from the best and the brightest at each of these critical agencies, from the NIH, from the FDA, from CDC, from CMS -- agencies that people depend on for health information, for research, for safe and secure drugs and food.

So the fact that this secretary has not ever inquired at the experts' request to come and give him a briefing. We've had an outbreak of measles. We are looking at a circulation of a new COVID strain.

In this instance, the vaccine schedule, which, again, is not mandatory, but it is relied upon by state and local health departments, by parents, by all kinds of individuals who want to keep their kids and their families safe and secure.

Secretary Kennedy said at one point no one should rely on him for health information. And I think that's one of the truer things that he has said.

DEAN: And so let's look longer term. Let's look over the next months, even years. What do you see as the long-term consequences for the CDC under Secretary Kennedy?

SEBELIUS: Well, I think it should be frightening to all Americans and frankly, to people across this globe because the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been the gold standard of public health, not just in America, but globally. They do work in 90 countries around the world. They are the first team

to arrive on the scene after a natural disaster to tell me as governor of Kansas, whether the water is safe in a town and can be reopened.

They are staffing local and state health departments across this country. And they are relied upon for expertise in guidance of various kinds.

Again, CDC doesn't have mandatory authority over anything. They use the best science, though, to tell public officials across the country, to tell policymakers and local officials what is the best advice. What advice should you follow? What are the best vaccines to make kids safe and secure? What are the newest breakthroughs?

If we dismantle that system, which is underway right now, a 40 percent cut in the budget. You've just seen a confirmed secretary within a month of her confirmation be forced off the job. And other officials in her leadership team resigning in protest.

That's a terrifying look for the public health agency, which has fewer political appointees than any other agency within HHS. These are scientists. These are experts. They're researchers. They're people who have dedicated their lives to public service. And if it's dismantled, it will take decades to put back together.

DEAN: Republican Senator Bill Cassidy is calling for next month's vaccine panel meeting to be cancelled after these departures, writing in part, quote, "Serious allegations have been made about the meeting agenda, membership and lack of scientific process being followed. If the meeting proceeds, any recommendations should be rejected as lacking legitimacy."

Here is Senator Kennedy talking about this this week.

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ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR. U.S. SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: Finding interventions, certain interventions now that are clearly almost certainly causing autism. And we're going to be able to address those in September.

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DEAN: So, secretary, if you kind of and again, that was the Secretary Kennedy, obviously. If you start to put these pieces together, we heard from Secretary Kennedy saying that they believe they found the causes of autism. He has long said without merit. It's been debunked by many, many studies and scientists that autism is linked to vaccines.

You have Senator Cassidy saying this meeting should be canceled because it could lack legitimacy at this point. What do you think about all of this?

SEBELIUS: Well, you started with a quote from Dr. Daskalakis, who is a brilliant allergist and head of the Infectious Disease -- or was until he resigned.

The fact that senator, that Secretary Kennedy hasn't asked for any expert opinion, the fact that he rejects out of hand the expertise that has been built up over years and peer reviewed and over and over again, scientists have debunked some of the crackpot theories he happily cites from the podium, uses his title now as secretary of Health and Human Services, to suggest that there's a cure for measles, which there is not. To suggest that it's should be totally voluntary that parents vaccinate their kids or don't vaccinate their kids, or should use some crackpot drug or device to cure diseases which have no cure.

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SEBELIUS: That kind of information is dangerous. And if I understand it correctly, the former acting director Rich Besser, Doctor Richard Besser from the CDC, said that he talked to Dr. Monarez before she resigned. She said her red line was she would not sign off on information that she knew to be false, that she knew to be inaccurate. And she would not break the law and fire the experts within the CDC.

She was asked to do both repeatedly. That should really frighten the American public, because if they can't rely on the information, if information that used to be coming out of the CDC is unreliable and sometimes factually incorrect, if they're only getting partial information, then parents are left to their own devices to try and figure out what they should do.

State and local officials who have always relied on that guidance are then left to their own devices. And that is a really dangerous place for public health, which is about all of our health. It isn't about those people, some people. It's about all of us.

I have a, you know, kindergartner and an 18-month-old grandchild. Their parents need to know what is the best advice for their kids, how to keep their kids safe in school. What is the water source and the food source? What are the best public health efforts going forward?

And if we cannot rely on that anymore, it's back to, you know, 50 years ago where people were trying to get the best information they possibly could from anybody who would tell them any information. And people were doing all kinds of things (ph).

DEAN: Yes, people -- I think it's fair to say every parent wants their kid to be healthy. That is certainly a truth.

SEBELIUS: Yes.

DEAN: All right. Former HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

SEBELIUS: Thanks for having me.

DEAN: Still ahead, Minneapolis in mourning. And up next, we're going to talk with a state lawmaker whose district includes Annunciation Catholic School on how that community is navigating the aftermath of this week's deadly shooting.

Plus, the Trump administration is bracing for another legal decision. This one could determine just how much control the president will have over our country's economic policies.

Plus, the leaders of Russia and China and North Korea, all together for the first time in a major show of strength against the west.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: We have new details about the shooter who opened fire on praying children at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minneapolis this week. According to a search warrant application obtained by CNN affiliate WCCOO, the shooter was wearing a mask and body armor during Wednesday's attack.

Authorities also recovered even more magazines and unspent rounds at the scene. Minneapolis police now saying that they have been speaking with the shooters parents.

Annunciation Church is set to hold mass this weekend, but in the school auditorium instead of in the church. The church's pastor says people have been offering tributes, including chalk messages to the two young victims.

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FATHER DENNIS ZEHREN, PASTOR, CHURCH OF ANNUNCIATION: I hope that they are sharing with you what they've been sharing the stories with me about what wonderful, fun, beautiful children they are. And I know that God is not finished using them to strengthen our hearts and to cheer us, and to keep us pointed in the right direction, so --

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DEAN: Emma Greenman joins us now. She's a Minnesota state representative for the district where that shooting happened. Thank you so much for being here with us. I know you all are still just probably trying to wrap your arms around this and in deep mourning together.

You are going to attend today's mass. How is everyone doing? What is -- what is the feeling in the community right now?

EMMA GREENMAN (D), MINNESOTA STATE REPRESENTATIVE: Well, as you can imagine, and I think you've probably been hearing, our community is shattered. The loss of Fletcher and Harper, the 18 kids and parishioners who were injured by the gun violence, and then the whole community. And we join a set of communities around the country who have faced this massive gun violence and are just reeling.

DEAN: Yes. And listen, you mentioned you've now joined what is an unbelievably long list of communities in this country that have gone through what exactly what you all are going through right now. This continues to happen. Americans are heartbroken.

And I think a lot of people watching have lost hope that anything will ever be done to make sure this doesn't happen again. What do you say to them as someone who is leading a community through this right now?

GREENMAN: We cannot become numb to this. We cannot be in a world, whether it's a school or church or synagogue or grocery store or workplace or a theater. We have seen these acts of mass violence that have affected our kids and our families all over the place.

And, you know, it's a particularly American problem that other countries don't have. There are solutions. We cannot become numb. I have been getting contact from, obviously, my constituents, but folks from around Minnesota who have demanded that we take action.

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GREENMAN: And there are things we can do, like ban assault weapons, like ban high-capacity magazines. We've had that in America, and shootings and this kind of fatalities have not happened.

We need to explore that and really act with urgency to protect our kids and our families and make sure that people can be safe doing their everyday things.

DEAN: What -- in terms of locally, what you have control over, which is your part in the state of Minnesota, are there any plans at this point for any sort of new legislation, or are you talking to colleagues about anything like that?

GREENMAN: In the last -- this has happened three days ago, but we know that this is not unique to Minnesota or to Minneapolis. We are -- have heard demands and have joined with community leaders, families, folks across the state in the demand and the work to ban assault weapons, to ban high-capacity magazines, to ban binary triggers, and the kinds of things that make these acts -- horrific acts of violence even more fatal, even more horrific.

And so we have already been calling for that. Frankly, the demand in the public is loud and it is not partisan. We know that from other places. We know that from the polling that 60 -- 70 percent of Minnesotans, including half of republicans, support this. We need partners to act, but we need to act with urgency here in Minnesota.

DEAN: Yes. And, you know, you can't help but think we covered it on this show that earlier this summer, back in June, we had the Minnesota State Representative, Melissa Hortman, and her husband Mark, who were fatally shot in their home. The State Senator John Hoffman, his wife injured in the shooting in their home, allegedly all by this same suspect.

You would think, yes. I mean you -- unfortunately, Minnesota is finding itself at the very heart of this conversation this summer. GREENMAN: We are. And you know what? As a state representative, as

somebody who joined all of my DFL colleagues and being victims of that, as well as losing our leader, Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, we know that nobody is safe from this -- these horrific acts of violence.

And when there are high-capacity assault weapons, they become much more deadly. And that is something that's very personal. It is also something that obviously is incredibly personal to my communities, but it is not unique.

And so we want to lead. We know we need a national solution because this is a national problem. But we think here in Minnesota, we should take that tragedy and take that horror and turn it into action and turn it into -- as the principal at Annunciation said, when we -- when you pray, move your feet, and we are moving our feet to protect kids and families.

DEAN: The Department of Homeland Security cut funding in Minnesota for efforts to identify potential mass shooters and head off any violence associated with that. And it was ended as part of an $18.5 million cut to a program that the Trump administration said was partisan and unsuccessful.

Again, this -- this was very recent. So we have to be clear that this would be forward-looking in what it would be able to do or prevent. But do you think that programs like that are important, and do you think they work?

GREENMAN: Of course, programs like that, support for mental health which the Trump administration has also cut, the ways that we can support our communities, our families, law enforcement, the whole public safety apparatus and infrastructure -- all of those investments are important.

Every one of these pieces is a part of a puzzle that is about keeping families and communities safe and free to live your lives and grow up happy and thriving.

And so yes, that is a concern. We, in Minnesota have been investing more. We have been doing more. But we obviously know that this is a national problem and we need national and federal support to ensure that we are actively addressing these issues.

DEAN: Minnesota State Representative Emma Greenman, thank you so much for your time. And I think we will all be thinking of you all and holding you as you go through this mass this evening and join together.

Thanks for being here with us. We appreciate it.

GREENMAN: Thank you.

DEAN: Up next, an escalating legal fight as President Trump tries to fire a Federal Reserve governor. But Lisa Cook has not backed down, setting the stage for a battle that could affect the global economy. We'll break this down.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: The Trump administration filed a new criminal referral against Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. In is it -- is its months long pressure campaign against the Central Bank.

Cook is fighting to keep her job despite President Trump firing her. A Friday emergency airing ended with no decision, and the White House has made unsubstantiated allegations she lied on a mortgage application filed before she was a Fed governor.

Let's bring in CNN global business analyst Rana Foroohar. She is joining us now. Rana, thank you for being here with us.

Cook's attorneys essentially argue that if Trump can fire Cook, he can basically fire anyone on the Fed, even though the Federal Reserve was designed to stand free of political influence. So, knowing all of this, how much stock do markets and investors around the world put in the Fed's independence, isn't that like part of the certainty that underpins that strong a strong economy in a bull market?

RANA FOROOHAR, CNN GLOBAL ECONOMIC ANALYST: 100 percent.

Federal Reserve independence is a huge deal. And you know, one of the reasons that you haven't seen more of an outcry yet is that A, we don't know how the story is going to end.

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And B, investors look to the U.S. as the reserve currency. They don't feel, at this point that they have other options. You know, there is a political crisis in France. China is weak. So, it's not like other countries are looking like better bets right now. But let me say that if this were any other country, aside from the U.S., I think we would already have a financial crisis.

If you look at what happened in Turkey a few years ago, when the leader of that country told the central bankers, hey, I want interest rates low and started sacking people, they had a complete financial meltdown and double-digit inflation. Are we going to get there? Not right away, but if investors globally really feel that the Federal Reserve is no longer independent, I do think it will trigger a major market event, and I think we may be closer to that than people realized.

DEAN: The Supreme Court has described the Fed as, "uniquely structured, quasi private entity." Does the Court spelling that out, give you confidence that in a potential future case, they will see the Fed is a special case? Does it get -- what do you read? If you're reading between the lines there, what would you say?

FOROOHAR: Yes, it's a really good point to make. It does give me more confidence, because we have seen the Supreme Court say, hey, the executive branch has more authority than some previous Supreme Courts might have -- might have said. So, that could make you worried that, well, wait a minute, you know, does the president -- does the Supreme Court think the president has control of the Fed.

This wording is the Supreme Court saying the Fed is different. The Fed was set up for exactly the reason we're talking about right now, in order to be in independent control over the financial markets so that they would not be politicized, so that they would be secure. You know, this followed a number of financial crises from the late 1800s onward in the U.S. That's why the Fed was started.

So, it does give me more confidence. But again, we have to see how this plays out, and we also have to see if investors, at what point they're just going to say, hey, enough is enough. You know, whatever the Supreme Court says, we are worried that this president is just pushing things too far.

DEAN: We also have this ruling from a federal appeals court declaring many of President Trump's tariffs unconstitutional. The Court has delayed the implementation of that order until October. That's going to give the administration some time to file an appeal to the Supreme Court.

So, as all of this is working out, again, going back to this idea of certainty, that's been kind of the central theme around these tariffs, that they mean uncertainty, especially for a lot of small business owners in America and families in America.

As this continues to kind of play out through the courts, what will that mean economically for people out there?

FOROOHAR: Yes, it's all about this perfect storm, right? I mean, President Trump inherited a very robust economy. You know, cycles come and go. We may have been in for a downturn at some point, but he has added so many headwinds to that, from the tariffs, from the politicization, not just at the Federal Reserve, but at the BLS. You know, you saw him firing, you know, a chief person at the BLS.

This is all adding to market worries. And it's sort of like doing a science experiment where, you know, you have a dropper, and you put the blue dye in the water, and it takes a little while, but at some point, it turns blue. That's what we're waiting for.

And I will say one more thing, which is that we're starting to see some worries in the bond market. If you remember, after liberation day, the bond market started to get very, very nervous about what the president was doing. And he pulled back a little bit. He stepped back that kind of, you know, Trump always chickens out taco trade that people talk about.

I suspect that if we see long-term bond rates start to rise. If you see long term bond prices falling, you will probably see the president, you know, pulling back a little bit from this latest bout of politicization. It's a very, very risky game he's playing, I got to say.

DEAN: All right. Rana Foroohar, good to see you. Thanks for your time.

FOROOHAR: Thanks.

DEAN: And it has been a few months since President Trump announced and enacted those tariffs, and as we just discussed, there is still a lot of uncertainty around that.

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Harry Enten is going to be here to run the numbers on shifting public sentiments toward tariffs. That's next.

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DEAN: A federal appeals court ruled Friday, many of President Trump's sweeping tariffs are illegal, saying, the president went too far when he used emergency powers to impose import taxes on nearly every country.

Harry Enten is joining us now to run the numbers and take a look at how the public is viewing Trump's tariff policies.

Hi, Harry.

HARRY ENTEN, CNN SENIOR DATA REPORTER: Hello.

DEAN: Nice to have you on this holiday Saturday -- holiday weekend. Saturday. Has opinion changed on tariffs since Trump was elected?

ENTEN: Yes, I would say, absolutely. I'll tell you, Donald Trump and his tariff plan is struggling in the minds in American public the way that Arch Manning struggled today in Columbus, Ohio. What are we talking about here? Well, let's take a look. OK, new tariffs on imported goods.

You know, back in November of 2024, when Donald Trump was elected, of course, for a second time, 52 percent favored. That beat the 48 percent who opposed it.

Look at we are today.

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The opposition is through the roof. Now, 60 percent. 60 percent. We are talking about three-fifths of Americans oppose the new tariffs. Oppose them compared to just 40 percent who favor it. So, we went from plurality, majority, favor, to now, plurality, majority oppose. Americans have gotten a taste of the tariffs, and what is on their tongues? They do not like. They are spitting it out.

DEAN: Oh, and why are they spitting it out? Why have they turned negative? ENTEN: Why have they turned negative? Well, it all comes down to money in the pocket and the belief that tariffs will not, in fact, help you with money in the pocket. What are we talking about? Impact of tariffs on prices.

Look at this in the short term. Look at this number. 77 percent believe that the tariffs will increase prices. Look at this little bitty, itty number down here at the bottom, just four percent say decrease. Look over the long term. This has been the argument of Donald Trump and the Donald Trump administration. Even if you have some pain in the short term, over the long term, the impact of tariffs will be to bring prices down. The American public isn't buying it, though.

Look at this. 50 percent of Americans over the long term say that prices will increase because of tariffs. Get this. Just 25 percent say decrease. So, yes, the long-term numbers look better for Donald Trump than the short-term numbers, but those short-term numbers look absolutely atrocious, and thereby comparison the long-term numbers, I say, look downright awful, which I guess is better than atrocious, but not that much better, Jessica.

DEAN: Just slightly better. How much has tariffs and trade impacted Trump's approval rating?

ENTEN: OK. So, you see these numbers, right? You see these numbers, and you say, OK. That's fine, but is this actually impacting Donald Trump overall? The answer Absolutely yes. OK. Top reason why Donald Trump is doing a bad job as president, among those who disapprove him. Guess what the top reason why? The economy slash tariffs ranks number one more than any other issue. It's pocketbook issues, right? Jessica, we have spoken about this a million times before -- a million times before.

The reason Donald Trump was elected in the first place, at least reelected a second time, was to bring down prices. He hasn't done that in the minds of the American public. That is why that's the number one reason. And get this amongst those who approve Donald Trump that -- get this, economy, tariffs, inflation, the inflation -- excuse me, tariffs and of course, trade overall. Get this, just ranks 10th, 10th in the list of reasons why they approve of Trump.

Overall, what we've seen is that tariffs and trade has been a reason to bring Donald Trump down. It has not been a reason to raise him up, Jessica Dean.

DEAN: Interesting. OK, and as we like to do, this last question a little different. August is National Dog Month, and my understanding is that you've determined just how popular dogs are.

ENTEN: Yes, I have determined that. And there are many ways I have determined this. First off, look how many people sent in pictures to the dogs on our CNN's --

DEAN: Cute. ENTEN: Look at all these cute. We got Jedi, Brian, of course, is E.P. in this program. Got Leila over here. We've got Max, we got Pico, we got Freddie, we've got Shea. That's Matt Egan's dog.

And get this, the favorable rating of dogs according to polling data, 90 percent How high is that? That actually beats the favorable rating of Abraham Lincoln at 83 percent, and George Washington, 78 percent.

Dogs are more popular than even our most popular presidents, and when you see all these cute pooches across the screen, it makes so much sense.

DEAN: We love our dogs. That's true.

ENTEN: We -- yes.

DEAN: All right. Harry Enten, always good to see you. Thanks so much.

ENTEN: Thank you.

DEAN: We'll be right back.

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DEAN: This weekend marks the fourth anniversary of the U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan. CNN Hero, Razia Jan worked for more than two decades to educate Afghan girls and never stopped fighting to bring them opportunities, even after the Taliban's return to power.

She passed away last month, but leaves behind a legacy of bravery, resourcefulness and a school that is changing lives every day.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: A native of Afghanistan, Razia Jan immigrated to the U.S. in 1970. She later opened a tailor shop and became a U.S. citizen. But after the fall of the Taliban in 2001, she dedicated herself to giving girls in her homeland a brighter future.

RAZIA JAN, FORMER AFGHAN-AMERICAN BUSINESS OWNER: Girls have been the most oppressed. I thought, I have to do something. They want to learn.

COOPER (voice over): In 2008, she opened a girls' school in a rural area outside of Kabul.

JAN: Oh, hey, everybody.

COOPER (voice over): It flourished despite threats of violence.

Four years later, she was honored as a top 10 CNN Hero.

The school grew to have nearly 800 students from kindergarten through 12th grade. Razia had also started a program training women to be midwives. But in August 2021, after U.S., troops withdrew, the Taliban returned to power. Back in the U.S., Razia was devastated.

JAN: It took 20 years for women to stand and be recognized. It was awful.

COOPER (voice over): Despite protests, the Taliban took away many rights from women and older girls who were no longer allowed to be educated.

Since girls can still attend school through the sixth grade, Razia expanded enrollment.

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JAN: I can't tell you how wonderful it is to see these girls in the courtyard playing and also in the classroom.

COOPER (voice over): Despite her advancing age, she kept visiting Afghanistan, always looking for ways to educate and help older girls.

JAN: I'm not fearful at all. I have a great support of the community and the girls, they want to learn. That gives me hope.

COOPER (voice over): Razia Jan died in July. She was 81 years old. Her impact continues to resonate through her school and the example of her unrelenting determination.

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DEAN: And to learn more about Razia's important work, you can go to CNNHEROES.COM.

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