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Senators Adjourn On Saturday With No Deal In Sight; Passengers Infuriated By Flight Chaos; New York Governor Hochul Defends Cutting Middle-Class Taxes; Trump Meets With Hungarian PM Viktor Orban At White House; Chicago Mayor Calls On U.N. To Investigate Immigration Actions; Judge Restricts Federal Agents' Use Of Force In Chicago; Pope Leo Holds "Profound & Painful" Meeting With Abuse Victims; Trump Pardons Former MLB Star Darryl Strawberry. Aired 6-7p ET

Aired November 08, 2025 - 18:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

Hi, everyone. I am Jessica Dean in Los Angeles.

And the longest government shutdown in history is about to get even longer. The Senate is in a rare session this weekend, but there will not be a vote tonight to break this 39-day stalemate, and as the divide seems to deepen in Washington, D.C., people all across the country in every state are feeling real impacts. We are going to have more on that in just a moment.

But first, let's get to CNN's Annie Grayer, who is following everything on Capitol Hill tonight.

Annie, where do things stand right now?

ANNIE GRAYER, CNN CAPITOL HILL REPORTER: Well, Jessica, the senators went home for the night without a vote relating to the government shutdown. So the longest shutdown in history is going to continue, and that just shows that the senators are still really far from reaching an agreement.

Yes, there are bipartisan conversations going on behind-the-scenes, but certainly not enough agreement to find something to vote on. So let's just circle back to how we got here.

Starting on Monday, coming into the week, it did seem like there was some real bipartisan momentum on both sides, and there was a negotiation with real agreement starting to happen. But Tuesday, Democrats saw major victories across a number of elections, and that really reaffirmed for a number of Democratic senators that they want to hold firm on their position, which is they weren't going to vote to reopen the government until Republicans made some key concessions to allow for those expiring Obamacare subsidies to extend, which are causing real rise in price of health care costs for people.

So then on Friday, Chuck Schumer came out with a new proposal to Republicans, which is Democrats will vote with Republicans to reopen the government if Republicans vote to extend those expiring subsidies by one year. Well, guess what? Republicans flatly rejected that proposal, said it was a complete nonstarter because they said they will not vote -- have any negotiation really, about those expiring subsidies until Democrats vote to reopen the government.

So take a listen to the top Senate Republican and Democrat who spoke on the floor today, not only about their own positions, but their issues with the opposing parties' views.

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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): So why? Why have Republicans dragged this shutdown on for so, so long? Because they don't want to lower health care costs, because they seem happy to let 24 million Americans see their premiums double on average.

A one-year extension is something many Republicans themselves have said they want. It is something a great many Americans support. Fifty- five percent of Trump supporters support it after all.

SEN. JOHN THUNE (R-SD): The Democrat leader proposal is a nonstarter for the Republican majority. The Democrat leader wants to believe that this is a "simple proposal," that it is some sort of compromise, but it is not.

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GRAYER: So we will see what happens when the Senate comes back into session tomorrow. Leader Thune is keeping senators here until they reach an agreement. So the Senate was supposed to be on recess next week. That is clearly not happening.

Meanwhile, the House has been out of session since September 19th, so we will see what senators pick back up tomorrow, if there is any meaningful negotiations, but what we see so far is that both sides still remain very far apart.

DEAN: All right, Annie Grayer with the very latest reporting from Capitol Hill, thank you for that.

Meantime, thousands of people are just stuck tonight at airports or they are missing their flights as part of this record long shutdown. According to FlightAware, so far tonight, more than 5,000 flights have been delayed, more than 1,600 canceled altogether.

The airports seeing the worst delays are in Atlanta, Newark, New York City and Nashville, but passengers across the country are frazzled.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is a lot of frustration for the travelers, for people working at the airport.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kind of speechless with it because our world is just sort of really crazy right now. We've got to get it together. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is absurd. I think it is a complete failure of government and the government is serving itself and not the people. Its driving me nuts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Total headache, disaster nightmare.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is terrible. It is just terrible. I feel like the American people are being held hostage right now.

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DEAN: Now, this is all stemming from the FAA cutting flights at 40 major airports to relieve the strain on air traffic controllers who are working, but without pay. Let's bring in CNN's Leigh Waldman. She is live now at Newark Liberty Airport, where delays, Leigh are averaging four hours. What are you seeing there?

LEIGH WALDMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jessica, we have watched this situation go from bad at the start of the day to even worse right now. Hundreds of flights canceled or delayed throughout the day, and we can see it here -- delay, delay, delay, cancel.

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More delays as we look across the big board here and passengers, they are trying to be patient with those hardworking TSA employees who are working without pay or with the other airport employees, but no one seems to be immune from all of this.

We've talked to flight attendants, even pilots who have had their flights canceled. One flight attendant saying she has to report for duty in Atlanta at 10:00 A.M. tomorrow. She is thinking about driving from Newark Airport down to Atlanta so she doesn't miss work.

At one point today, there was a ground stop issued for the airport here at Newark. The other two major airports that serve the New York City area experienced ground delays themselves. So it is an issue that has compounded not only from the FAA mandated flight restrictions that we are seeing, more than 600 flights canceled today, but also because of the staffing shortages at more than 37 air traffic control centers, or TRACON facilities across the country. That is what is making this travel situation so much worse.

One man that we spoke to today was upset, yelling on the phone, asking for someone to pick him up after he got to the airport, and then his flight was delayed. Take a listen.

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ZACHARY BARROS, FLIGHT CANCELED: It is frustrating because they don't have no more flights until tomorrow, so it doesn't make sense why. Why we are sitting here and we have to deal with this and they can't go get another plane because I am not trying to like, you know, be the one like why my plane gets canceled? But at the end of the day, it is like if it is because of a government shutdown, it doesn't make sense.

If it is because of the government shutdown, why isn't this whole building shut down?

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WALDMAN: You can see the frustration he is experiencing there, but also confusion about what the next day is even going to hold. He doesn't know if he is going to get a flight out tomorrow. And Jessica, we are monitoring this because in the coming days, looking at Tuesday, six percent of flights need to be canceled at those four major airports. If this extends into Thursday, it extends up to eight percent of flights needing to be delayed by next Friday. On November 14th, if the government does not reopen, the FAA is mandating that 10 percent of flights across the 40 major airports be canceled.

It is making this a huge nightmare for so many travelers, especially as we are looking at the holiday season approach -- Jessica.

DEAN: I know, Leigh, as you're laying out those dates, we are getting ever closer to the Thanksgiving holidays. I know a lot of people anxious about that as well.

Thank you so much for your reporting. Really appreciate that.

Full SNAP payments remain in limbo tonight following a temporary ruling from the Supreme Court, and now people who rely on that program are scrambling for support and turning to food banks for help.

CNN's Rafael Romo is joining us now.

Rafael, how are communities trying to respond to this?

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jessica.

Well, by helping each other, going as far as paying for food out of their own pockets to help their neighbors, and this, as the U.S. Supreme Court has issued an order dealing with food benefits from the federal government.

The decision by Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson temporarily pauses a lower court ruling that required the U.S. Department of Agriculture to transfer $4 billion to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, known as SNAP.

The Trump administration, Jessica, had announced Friday that it was working to fully fund food benefits for the month of November to comply with the earlier federal court order, but Jackson's stay gives the administration appeal more time, putting benefits on hold while the legal battle plays out.

Food banks, community organizations and even neighbors are doing everything and anything they can to help families who would otherwise receive food through SNAP. Some states, like Kansas, are using their own funding to provide food assistance.

Reacting to Friday's Supreme Court order, Kansas Democratic Governor Laura Kelly said in a statement that: "Today, in accordance with a courts order and after receiving guidance from the USDA, Kansas sent full November SNAP benefits to all eligible Kansans. These Kansans, most of them children, seniors or people with disabilities, were struggling to put food on their plates," something that is also happening across the country is that people are taking action to help their neighbors in need.

CNN affiliate WWJ is reporting that in the community of Ferndale in Michigan, a social worker converted what had been a community little free library into what is now called a little free pantry, which is accepting food and hygiene items for their less fortunate neighbors.

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ANNE MARIE YOUNG, CREATOR, LITTLE FREE PANTRY: I am a social worker, so I work with a lot of people in applying for those benefits and maintaining those benefits, so I know a lot of folks that are feeling scared.

Take what you need and leave what you can.

KATIE GREEN, DONOR, LITTLE FREE PANTRY: I am just dropping off some toothpaste, a toothbrush, floss. I had some Thai wheat noodles, just staples for the community. I am in a fortunate place right now where I can absolutely go out and give more, and I know that if I can just even search in my house and see what things I have, that people would be desperately needing, that I can take a half an hour out of my day and make a difference hopefully for somebody.

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ROMO: And Jessica, Young told CNN affiliate WWJ in Michigan that she plans to keep this pantry going until SNAP benefits are fully restored. This is one example of what many people are doing across the country to make sure that nobody goes hungry during this record long government shutdown -- Jessica.

DEAN: All right, Rafael Romo, thank you for your reporting.

And there are so many issues surrounding this government shutdown. Let's bring in Ron Brownstein, who is a CNN senior political analyst.

Ron, it is so good to see you.

I am just thinking about what we went through there with our reporters. We've got these Affordable Care Act subsidies that have now gone up, in some cases 20 to 30 percent all the way to doubling for some people as they log in. The flights all across the country that are a mess. SNAP benefits, you know, thinking about people who can't feed their families, and this is where Washington has left Americans in red and blue states together.

You know, at what point do you think they figure this out?

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, I mean, look, what is missing here and has been missing from the beginning is presidential leadership trying to move the two sides toward an agreement. I mean, we are now at the point of a government shutdown where it really is biting, in ways that I think are completely unacceptable to most Americans.

But what you're hearing, I think in the last 48 hours from Republicans is moving further away from an agreement. I mean, you have Lindsey Graham and the President talking about reopening their drive to repeal Obamacare, which, you know, the Affordable Care Act far, you know, moving far away from the idea of reaching some kind of agreement with Democrats to extend the subsidies that are making the ACA policies more affordable for people as a way of ending this shutdown.

So, you know, look, I mean, these, these kinds of fights ultimately demand a president willing to reach reasonable compromise with both sides. We haven't seen that from Trump very often in his presidency and he has really been AWOL in this fight from day one, focusing on other things like, you know, building his ballroom.

Ultimately, he is going to have to get involved and in a constructive way that forges some kind of agreement here, because I don't think Republicans are going to make an agreement unless they feel confident he is not going to turn around and condemn them.

DEAN: Well, and so far, it appears that his plan is, as you noted he mentioned undoing Obamacare, but also nuking the filibuster, which for everyone following along at home is the long standing rule that you have to have 60 votes in the Senate. It is supposed to support bipartisanship, and there are a lot of Republicans, John Thune included, the leader of Senate Republicans, who don't seem to have any appetite to change this, and yet, the President keeps pushing it.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes, and it is indicative of kind of his approach here. Right? I mean, rather than what you would expect from a president at this moment when both sides are dug in, the president is the one figure elected by the whole country, is supposed to figure out a way for the parties to come together and, you know, live to fight another day and end this shutdown, which is now imposing real costs on the country.

But what is he doing? He is basically telling Republicans to blow up the Senate rules, to try to jam down their version on Democrats and at the same time, reopening the crusade from 2017, which ultimately failed when three Republican senators, including John McCain, you know, turned thumbs down on the Senate floor to repeal Obamacare.

So Lindsey Graham saying that today, you know, as soon as this is done, we are going to go back and try to find an alternative to Obamacare. You know, this is moving in precisely the opposite direction you would expect from a president at this point. Maybe there is a time to have a debate again about Obamacare. I can't believe Republicans want to wade back into those waters after what happened in '17 and '18.

But certainly, you know, when you are at a crisis moment in the government shutdown or nearing a crisis moment, that really isn't the time to be reopening a fundamental debate about the nature of the Affordable Care Act.

DEAN: I also keep going back to the fact that about a year ago, President Trump won his second term, mostly because people thought everything was too expensive. It was too not -- it was just not affordable to live in this country and he promised to do something about it. And here we are and the Democrats had a lot of success in these last elections last week, talking only and just like with precision about affordability and that seems to be the driver right now, that voters don't really care who it is. They just want somebody to make things more affordable.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes, and your last point is so important. I mean, you know, after '24, there were a lot of very exuberant predictions about among Republicans that we had seen a fundamental, lasting realignment, particularly among working class non-White voters, toward Trump and toward the GOP.

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Well, I think, you know, the evidence a year later is that those voters were mostly voting on conditions. They felt that Biden had failed economically to produce an economy that was manageable for them, where their cost of living was affordable, and here they are a year later and they are rendering the same verdict about President Trump. I mean, his approval rating on the economy is now consistently lower than it was at any point in his first term.

And his approval rating specifically on handling inflation and costs is down into the 30s. He seems, to voters to be focused on almost anything else, you know, building his ballroom, the great Gatsby party that he threw at Mar-a-Lago, organizing the government to go after his political enemies and not focusing -- or adversaries -- and not focusing on what they elected him to do, which is bring down the cost of living.

And so you saw in particularly in this New Jersey and Virginia governors' race, those blue collar non-White voters that seem, you know, many Republicans were touting as kind of new pillars of the Republican coalition. Well, in Virginia, Abigail Spanberger won 85 percent of minority voters without a college degree. And in New Jersey, Mikie Sherrill won 75 percent of them.

The same economic discontent that lifted Trump in '24 is clearly buffeting him and other Republicans now, and, you know, as I say, rather than kind of trying to find a deal that would help keep health care costs under control for 24 million people, he is kind of steering toward further confrontation and this is before even getting to the issue that many voters think that not only is he not addressing the problem, but the tariffs are compounding the problem.

So there is real vulnerability here for the President that looks a lot like the vulnerability that Democrats faced from '21 on when prices shot up.

DEAN: Yes, it is interesting. Ron Brownstein, always good to see you. Thanks so much. BROWNSTEIN: Thanks for having me.

DEAN: Still ahead, Zohran Mamdani winning the Mayor's Office can be seen as a big win for many New Yorkers who voted for him. But will he be able to deliver on his big campaign promises?

Plus, Chicago's mayor is furious at how aggressively immigration crackdowns have been carried out in his city, and now he is calling for help from leaders around the world.

And a little later, profound and powerful. That's how the Pope's Office is describing his meeting today. We will tell you who he met with. It is an American.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: A big win for democratic socialist, Zohran Mamdani this week and now New Yorkers wait to see if he can deliver on his campaign promises. Now, to do that, he will have to work alongside New York Governor Kathy Hochul and her views while she endorsed him, are sometimes quite different from the mayor-elect.

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ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: Now, Governor, you have said repeatedly that you would not raise taxes. You said, "I've said there is no new income taxes." Do you stand by that promise?

GOV. KATHY HOCHUL (D-NY): Yes. Again, what I find so fascinating is all this conversation about how I am continuing to leave New York State, I am the one putting money back in people's pockets and cutting middle class taxes as I've done and finding ways to support child care. These are areas where I am aligned with Zohran Mamdani, and we will work on this and build more housing so people can have a roof over their heads in New York City.

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DEAN: Pat Kiernan joins us now. He is the morning anchor at Spectrum New York One News.

Pat, it is great to see you. I know you've covered this extensively and I just want to kind of get your thoughts on what you've seen.

We know that Mamdani campaigned relentlessly on affordability, practically speaking, what is he likely to encounter as he now shifts from campaigning to trying to actually implement those policies, the key ones being freezing the rent, free busses and universal child care?

PAT KIERNAN, ANCHOR, SPECTRUM NEW YORK ONE NEWS: Well, I think you're right on point with that clip from Governor Kathy Hochul, because she holds a lot more cards than the mayor does. Ultimately, here in New York State, the city government only has so much latitude, and they depend a lot on the legislature and the governor in Albany to tell them what they can and can't do.

So if she says that she is not going to put his proposed tax the rich in place, then he has got to pivot, I mean, he has already did that. I had him in studio with me just three days ago, and he was talking about wanting to implement the policies with whatever revenue the governor can provide, not necessarily getting stuck on that idea that the only way to fund these policies is by adding an extra tax.

DEAN: Yes, and he also begins the challenge now of staffing an administration, building out who is going to be helping him for the next four years. He hasn't been an executive before. What is your sense of who he is looking to? Is he looking to people that have been in New York City government before? Are these outsiders he is bringing in kind of like himself?

KIERNAN: I think for the most part, it is people who know the corners of New York City government, this transition team that he has brought in all has experience, either in New York City government or in the case of former FTC boss, Lina Khan, experience in the federal government.

So he is looking to people who can make up what he doesn't have, which is management experience. New York City is $120 billion corporation, so that's a big job for somebody who up until now has managed a campaign and managed a state senate office.

DEAN: Yes, and you've been in New York a very long time. You've covered a lot of mayoral races. You've covered a different administrations, help people nationally who are watching, understand kind of where this fits in that broader narrative of who has been New York's mayor over the last several terms and you know, how Mamdani obviously, he is a democratic socialist, he is 33. We know the superlatives about kind of what makes him stand out, but also, too, help people understand how he fits into New York City to the mayoral office and kind of who has come before him.

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KIERNAN: I mean, for sure, youngest mayor in modern times and, and the figures that have been elected in in recent times have been either super well-known in the business world, like Mike Bloomberg or super well-known in political circles like Rudy Giuliani.

This rise that Zohran Mamdani has had over the course of a year has been exceptional and has really indicated if you can tap in to young voters and tap into their dissatisfaction with the status quo, they are an army that is prepared to work for you and that's exactly what we saw and that's exactly what his number one opponent, Andrew Cuomo saw.

DEAN: Yes, yes, And, then there is the question of kind of the Trump of it all. President Trump, his administration, what their relationship is going to look like, or also, too, how the President might, you know, he said that he -- both he said he kind of might help, but then he is also said he is definitely not helping. He could send in National Guard troops. He could do a lot of things.

What is your sense of the dynamic or how Mamdani is thinking about that?

KIERNAN: Well, you got the sense of the performative aspect of it in Mamdani's speech on Wednesday night, when he looked away from the room of 3,000 people he had assembled, look straight into the television cameras and said, "Mr. Trump, I know you're watching right now."

So on that public level, he says he will challenge Trump. I think in reality, he is practical and will pick his spots and pick his battles. There are some things they may not go after the Trump administration on, but there are other things where they will draw a very firm line and use whatever legal means they can to stop Trump from trying to exercise more than his fair share of authority in New York.

DEAN: This is always an interesting time to go from campaigning to governing, and especially here, where it was such a juggernaut of a campaign and now, being the youngest mayoral elect ever, it will be a fascinating story.

Pat Kiernan, thanks for walking us through it. We really appreciate it.

KIERNAN: My pleasure.

DEAN: After the break, President Trump granted Hungary a one-year exemption from Russias energy sanctions. Why the decision has caused some friction, though, in Washington.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: President Donald Trump is giving -- going to give Hungary a one- year exemption from U.S. sanctions for buying Russian oil and gas. the President making that announcement after meeting with Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban at the White House yesterday. The Hungarian strongman has been a longtime ally of Trump but Hungary relies heavily on Russia for oil and gas.

Now, the President has berated European Union countries for buying -- buying Russian energy saying it helps fuel the Kremlin's war on Ukraine. We are joined now by Democratic Lieutenant Governor of California Eleni Kounalakis. She also previously served as a U.S. ambassador to Hungary during the Biden administration.

Lieutenant Governor, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate you being here.

What is this decision do to the overall effectiveness of these tariffs on Russia and these broader sanctions that the President and the E.U. sought to put in place?

LT. GOV. ELENI KOUNALAKIS, (D) CALIFORNIA: Well, hello Jessica. It's so good to be with you.

You know the overall effect I think is more than anything kind of demoralizing. We've seen Donald Trump be very erratic and chaotic in his policies around Russia and what he's been saying about the war. But one thing has been pretty consistent among the E.U. and the United States which is that these sanctions are really important.

So, for him to bring a relatively small country with one of the smallest economies, smallest per capita GDP, give Viktor Orban this big platform, a lunch, a press conference, all of this praise that he heaped on them -- on him and then give him this exemption. You know, what I saw as someone who's in elected office really was Donald Trump doing a campaign event for Viktor Orban who's up for re-election in a couple of months.

DEAN: Interesting. And listen, Trump has long complained of E.U. countries continuing to buy Russian oil and gas and yet as we just noted he's willing to grant this request to Hungary. I think you might be getting at what you -- what I think you might say the answer is but why grant this request to -- to Hungary and Viktor Orban now?

KOUNALAKIS: Well, that's exactly right Jessica. It's incredibly hypocritical. And, again, we're used to Donald Trump having mixed messages but he's been pretty clear about this one thing. So, giving Orban an exemption is absolute -- and, by the way, this big platform. I mean, countries the size and in relative small size and influence of Hungary do not usually get this kind of attention.

So, the way I see it is Donald Trump has long admired Viktor Orban. He sees him as a strong man. He mentioned in the press conference on Viktor Orban, you're so powerful, you're so strong in your country. He admires that. He wants to be the same in our country.

So, for him, I think it's important to see Viktor Orban win re- election as an affirmation of his own ambition to be a strong man like Viktor Orban.

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And sadly, you know, because U.S. foreign policy should not be conducted in this way. But I do think that that's what Donald Trump's intention was. \

DEAN: I do want to play a short exchange from the White House yesterday. This is it.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So, you would say that Ukraine cannot win that war.

VIKTOR ORBAN, HUNGARIAN PRIME MINISTER: You know, miracle can happen.

TRUMP: Yes that's right.

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DEAN: And -- and what he said there Orban says a miracle can happen when he was asked by the President of Ukraine could win the war. Help us understand Hungary's role here because it is a member of NATO. It's also a Putin ally at this moment.

KOUNALAKIS: Yes. You know, I was actually in the Obama administration and five months after I got to Hungary Viktor Orban was elected with this two-thirds supermajority. And it really has been an interesting arc of Viktor Orban's leadership. When he started out he was enormously popular. He had policies that put money back into the pockets of Hungarians earning a lot of loyalty from voters. But a lot has happened since then and things that clearly are impacting his ability to get reelected. It looks like he has a real serious challenger for the first time.

And my view is that it is probably mostly connected to the economics which is that the population is decreased, people are leaving the country, health care and education have really suffered over the last 15 years. But more importantly there's been significant inflation.

And so, his position has absolutely been contrary to the rest of Europe. The rest of Europe has been so stalwart in recognizing that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was wrong, was illegal, has been catastrophic. And they certainly want to see an end to the war but they recognize that the aggressor and the wrong -- wronging party here has been Russia.

Orban has had a very different -- very different narrative about it. But I would not be surprised if -- if that has been part of his challenge now domestically as well where Hungarians have seen this for some time. And I think most Hungarians are -- are relatively pro- Europe. So, I think again Trump goes back and forth in his rhetoric around Russia. But it seemed to me that all of this bolstering Orban, elevating Orban, giving him a platform, affirming (INAUDIBLE) really about Trump's own vested interest in seeing this strongman who he's held up as a model win re-election.

DEAN: All right. Lieutenant Governor, thank you. That's really helpful context around all of this. We really -- we appreciate it. And still ahead ...

KOUNALAKIS: Well, thank you so much.

DEAN: Thank you. Still ahead the tensions over the aggressive immigration raids in Colorado are stepping out onto the world stage. The city's mayor calling on global leaders now for help. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: President Trump is hitting a major setback in his efforts to deploy the National Guard in cities across the country. A Trump appointed federal judge ruling the President overstepped his authority when he tried to deploy troops to Portland, Oregon, adding that the administration failed to prove protesters were preventing him from carrying out his policies. The President claimed troops were needed to protect federal officials during protests at buildings used by ICE.

Meantime, Chicago's mayor is calling on the United Nation to investigate the Trump administration's immigration operations within his city. Mayor Brandon Johnson testifying before the U.N. calling it a, quote, "moral failure." The arrest of a daycare teacher in northwest Chicago this week drew widespread outrage. In that instance, ICE agents forced the woman outside as parents were dropping off their children.

A federal judge has sharply criticized the conduct of federal agents in Chicago in immigration enforcement operations and issuing a preliminary injunction restricting the use of force. The judge also saying that the top Border Patrol official there in Chicago, Gregory Bovino, admitted he lied about being hit in the head prior to deploying tear gas. In that ruling, Judge Sara Ellis, finding the administration's version of recent events involving agents was, in her words, not credible and calling the government's portrayal of Chicago untrue.

We're joined now by the attorney representing the plaintiffs in this case, Elizabeth Wang.

Elizabeth, thank you for being here with us.

Judge Ellis says federal agents must give at least two separate warnings before using riot control weapons. Are you all satisfied with this ruling?

ELIZABETH WANG, ATTORNEY FOR PLAINTIFFS IN CHICAGO FEDERAL AGENTS USE OF FORCE CASE: It's a historic ruling, Jessica. The judge carefully and meticulously went through all of the evidence, not just the evidence that we presented on behalf of our clients who are clergy, protesters, journalists, people who just want to record, people who are concerned about their neighbors being kidnapped by masked men.

She went through all the evidence that we presented, that the government presented, and she found that the government's version of events was just not true.

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Bovino was lying about being hit in a rock before he deployed tear gas. The agent that the government brought into court to testify was lying about what was on his body worn camera footage. And in a courtroom is where we can hold the government accountable. If they're telling lies, we will take them to court. We will have them testify under oath, and we will have judges who are empowered to do so hold them accountable.

DEAN: Federal agents have also been ordered to wear body cameras. What kind of a difference do you think that will make in these cases? WANG: I think that will make a huge difference. And to be clear, a lot

of the Customs and Border Protection agents already were wearing body worn cameras. And so, this is not a difficult thing for them to implement. The body worn cameras will show what actually happened. It'll show who's telling the truth.

And, you know, to be honest, there's no reason why the government -- the federal agents wouldn't want to wear body worn cameras. Because if, in fact, there are violent people obstructing their activities, then we would be able to see it on their cameras.

DEAN: Yes. And it sounds like you believe this won't -- this shouldn't take a long amount of time for agents to get these body cams and get them working, et cetera.

WANG: Yes, absolutely. I mean, many of the agents already have body worn cameras, and the government produced over 500 videos to us on October 31st, which they already had. And so, we don't think that it is going to be a difficult thing for them to implement at all.

DEAN: The case was brought by, as you noted, a coalition. It included media organizations, protesters, clergy members. Help us understand this coalition. What brought them together and why they brought this case?

WANG: Sure. The coalition of attorneys who came together to represent the plaintiffs are from a wide variety of organizations. I am a partner at a private law firm that handles cases in the public interest. There's the Northwestern clinic that's involved in the case, the University of Chicago Law School Clinic, and the ACLU of Illinois First Defense Legal Aid. And we all came together to represent a wide variety of Chicagoans and people who live within the Northern District of Illinois, from a priest, Father Curran (ph), to a pastor, David Black (ph), to journalists, to journalist organizations.

And these are just everyday people who live in the Northern District of Illinois and live in Chicago, and they don't like what the government is doing. They have every right under our Constitution to protest, to record, and to document, and to speak truth to power.

DEAN: All right. Thank you so much, Elizabeth Wang. We really appreciate your time today.

WANG: Thank you.

DEAN: Still ahead, the Pope had a heartfelt meeting. We'll tell you who he met with after the break. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: New tonight, Pope Leo held what his press office called a profound and painful meeting with abuse survivors. The Pope spending almost three hours today with 15 victims of clerical sexual abuse from Belgium. The Vatican says the meeting took place in a spirit of closeness, listening and dialogue. This week, a report from a Vatican commission said Catholic leaders must do more to help survivors. Today, we should note, marks six months since the election that made him Pope.

Also tonight, President Trump is pardoning former Major League Baseball star Darryl Strawberry 30 years after a tax evasion charge. Strawberry won several World Series with the Mets and the Yankees. A White House official said he served time and paid back taxes after pleading guilty to one count of tax evasion. Strawberry joins former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich as the second alum of President Trump's former reality show, "The Celebrity Apprentice," to receive a presidential pardon.

From bread baked in a -- in an Icelandic volcano to Tokyo's renowned Japanese milk bread, you can join Tony Shalhoub for the back-to-back episode finale of the CNN original series, "Tony Shalhoub Breaking Bread."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, Icelanders love bread in general. I mean, this is probably the most traditional one. We bake it in a volcano.

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TONY SHALHOUB, CNN HOST, "TONY SHALHOUB BREAKING BREAD" (voice over): You heard him right. This bread will be baked by the geothermal heat created in 1973 when the still-active Eldfell volcano blew her stack.

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SHALHOUB: So, you put it in, walk away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Walk away, come back the next day.

SHALHOUB: Don't have to set a timer. Go back and get the bread.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then we hope that it's ...

SHALHOUB: And we ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... perfect.

SHALHOUB: Yes.

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SHALHOUB (voice over): The ingredients are simple, buttermilk, brown sugar, salt, baking powder, and rye flour.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put it in like a milk carton and bake it in this.

SHALHOUB: Why do you want to do it in a milk carton?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It just seals it really nicely and it creates like a steam inside.

SHALHOUB: Look at this. This is gorgeous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, we're just going to wrap it up from the bread.

SHALHOUB: Okay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, are you ready for some hike up to the volcano?

SHALHOUB: Let's do it.

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DEAN: Be sure to tune in the back-to-back finale of "Tony Shalhoub Breaking Bread" airing tomorrow night at 9 P.M. Eastern and Pacific on CNN and the next day on the CNN App.

Still ahead next hour, we're going to speak with the governor of Hawaii about how people there will be impacted if the government shutdown continues and Affordable Care Act tax credits do expire without anyone doing anything. You're on the CNN NEWSROOM.

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