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Search For Suspect After Two Students Killed, Nine Injured In Brown University Shooting; Police: Video Shows Shooting Suspect Walking Down Street. Aired 11p-12a ET

Aired December 13, 2025 - 23:00   ET

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN HOST: I'm Jim Sciutto, live in Washington, D.C.

We begin with just awful breaking news out of Providence, Rhode Island. Officials say at least two students were killed, nine people injured, eight of them students in a shooting at Brown University. Law enforcement officials have just released the first video of the suspect.

Have a look here. We're going to loop it back again. You see him walking down a street, turning a corner in dark clothing. Unfortunately, his face, at least in this video, not visible.

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DEPUTY CHIEF TIM O'HARA, PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND POLICE: Preliminarily, all we have is a suspect that was a male dressed in black. It is unknown how he entered the building, but we do know that he exited the Hope Street side of that complex. It's -- we're utilizing every resource possible to find this suspect

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SCIUTTO: And the suspect still at large. A lockdown order remains in place for large portions of the surrounding community. A professor told "The New York Times" the shooting began to unfold in a classroom during a final exam review session. One student told CNN she was studying in the engineering and physics building before she heard five or six shots

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KATIE SUN, BROWN UNIVERSITY STUDENT (via telephone): I was studying in Barus and Holley, which was -- which is the engineering building where I think the shooting happened. So, I was in the front area and I heard multiple gunshots, like bangs coming from the back, where the classrooms are. And I basically fled immediately. Me and the other people that were studying there.

(END VIDEO CLIP) SCIUTTO: This is video of students evacuating as the first law enforcement and first responders arrived on the scene. President Trump said he has been briefed on the shooting. Federal law enforcement agencies are now assisting local law enforcement in the ongoing investigation and the manhunt. The mayor says that more than 400 law enforcement officers responded.

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BRETT SMILEY, PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND MAYOR: We are encouraging anyone who was a witness to today's action to please contact the police as the investigation is ongoing and they may have critical information.

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SCIUTTO: Joining us now once again, CNN's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, John Miller.

John, you've seen this video now. It's something. But crucially, does not have a frontal view. So, not a face. I mean, should we assume this is the only video that they have in which they see the suspect?

JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: We should assume it's the only one they have so far. I think what they're going to be doing is looking at every camera in that building, trying to figure out, is there another image of this guy either dressed this way or perhaps if they find out that he donned this outfit somewhere inside the building, maybe they can see a cleaner image of him in a different way.

But I think if you look at that video, a couple of tells, number one, he's just been through a horrific shooting, which could be a real, adrenaline rush, even for someone who planned it to carry it out. Yeah, he's walking briskly but calmly. He's not running. He's not going too fast.

You note that his right hand seems to be in his pocket.

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His left hand is free, which may mean he still has his hand on that pistol. Weapon is a pistol in his pocket, ready to fend off anyone who confronts him. Again, as Chief Ramsey observed earlier, this looks like an individual who planned his entrance, his attack, and his exit carefully.

SCIUTTO: I suppose as I was watching it again, I'm beginning to think I don't want to eliminate what other information can be gleaned from it, right? Because I imagine based on objects nearby, they could begin to say to estimate height, right? And perhaps even weight, which would go into a description they'd want to, they'd want to put out for, for folks to, to, to share any information they might have or might have seen.

MILLER: I think in the immediate sense they're looking at is here's a guy who's wearing a black hat a half-length kind of black bomber jacket, black pants, black gloves, maybe. And that they're looking for people to say, okay, I couldn't recognize him if I saw him again, but I did see a guy dressed that way who came in from this side or who got out of a car in the parking lot, or an individual at a gun store or a shooting range, might say a guy dressed like that was here yesterday.

It's not the best image from a probative standpoint, it's almost useless. But from a crowdsourcing standpoint, investigators never know what's going to make that light bulb go on in somebody's head just about the outfit or the walk.

SCIUTTO: Yeah. Let me ask you this because authorities spoke earlier about the possibility at least. And I don't know if this theory was based on information or just a theory that the person might have entered the building wearing one outfit and then possibly changed into a different outfit in the building, is that -- is that just something they were exploring, or is it possible they had some information or images that gave them that sense?

MILLER: I think that that was something they were exploring, but for a reason based on the idea is we have a shot of him leaving the building, but so far, we don't have a shot of him that we have been able to find of him coming into the building. Does that mean we have a picture of a guy wearing a red sweater and khakis with glasses coming into the building, who then changes into this outfit that's in the duffel bag? We don't know that, but they have to be asking, how do we have him leaving if we don't have him coming?

SCIUTTO: Yeah, yeah.

A short time ago, just in the last few minutes. In fact, I've been speaking to a student who is in the library along with other students who remained on lockdown who said that he and other students were being taken out of the library to another location. And I bring that up because I wonder if that's the beginning of if not ending the lockdown, providing some way out for the students who for many hours have been stuck wherever they were when the shooting took place. In this case, it's a student who was in the basement of the library. Right. Would that be a normal response at this stage? Get folks to safe locations from where they are now?

MILLER: Well, it gets them to a centralized location where they can start to provide things. Here's some food and drink. You know, a lot of these people are locked down in their dorm rooms where they have access to resources. A lot of them have been locked down, either in that building or other buildings where they're away from their things.

So, that could be to get them to a central location where they can provide resources and bring them together, or it could be that they're moving toward the family unification -- reunification center that was set up after the shooting, where you've got a lot of parents who have just shown up or been calling in, or other relatives and caregivers where they can put those kids with people who have shown up to check up on them, whether they're coming from near or far.

SCIUTTO: John Miller, thanks so much. We'll come back to you as we learn new information.

MILLER: You got it, Jim.

SCIUTTO: Well, CNN's Leigh Waldman is now on the scene in Providence, Rhode Island.

As we begin to see, it seems perhaps, Leigh, some movement in the lockdown. What are you seeing on the ground there?

LEIGH WALDMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jim, we just got here a few moments ago. There's a lot of Providence police officers driving by, as well as Brown University police officers driving by here. We saw officers getting out of their vehicle, checking buildings that are nearby this campus. But we believe after looking at a map, the building you see behind us with the lights on, we believe from looking at a map of this area that that is the Barus building there.

Now we know just down the street from where we are, that's Hope Street, that's where, the press conference earlier, officials were saying that there is that video that's just been released where they believe the suspect in this shooting went out onto Hope Street and turned right onto Waterman Street.

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That's not far from where we are now. Now we hear helicopters overhead. You mentioned people moving around in this area. We know that there's a lockdown here, Jim, but there are still people driving around, people who are curious. One man stopped by here before he turned on his way, says, if I see the guy, I'm tackling him.

So, obviously, there's also some anger in this community about what happened here, as students were ready to take their finals, taking part in a finals review session, inside of that building behind us, we hear some sirens off in the distance. There's crime scene tape up behind us. It's eerily quiet, lots of lights on inside of houses around Brown University here, Jim.

SCIUTTO: One other question. You're so close to the building where the shooting took place. You're allowed to be there. Can you then describe the area of the lockdown as best you can tell at this point? What portion of the campus remains on lockdown?

WALDMAN: So, we drove in from New York City, and we just got here a few moments ago. But you can see there's officers who are blocking this street behind us. We're on Brook Street right now. And like I said, I believe that is the Barus Building lit up behind us.

There's a lot of officers down the street. Crime scene tape up here. We haven't seen anyone who lives in this area who was out exploring, trying to cross over onto the Brown University Campus there behind us. We'll try and walk around and see how far this lockdown actually takes place, but it's been a constant stream of law enforcement vehicles with their lights going throughout this area, actively patrolling.

We know over 400 law enforcement officers are here right now with one sole mission in mind, and that mission is to find the person who took the lives of those two students and injured nine other students today.

SCIUTTO: Leigh Waldman, thanks so much. Please keep yourself safe in the midst of what is -- well, still a lockdown situation there on the Brown University campus.

As we noted, just a short time ago, police released the first video of a person they say is a suspect in this shooting. We'll continue to share developments as they come. Please stay with us. We'll be back after a short break.

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SMILEY: -- shooting. We know that the telephone line doesn't allow, obviously, for the uploading of video photographs. This website does allow for that. And our --

SCIUTTO: We're going to join a new update from the mayor of Providence, Rhode Island, Brett Smiley, as we continue to await developments in the shooting at Brown University. Have a listen.

SMILEY: Providence Police also has a specific tip line now for this incident. That phone number is 401-652-5767.

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Again that's 401-652-5767. That's the Providence police tip line specifically for this incident.

Before I turn it over to the governor, I just want to speak to the shelter in place. That remains in effect for the Brown campus and the surrounding areas. We will keep the shelter in place, in effect until such time as it has been lifted. It has been very helpful, both for the safety and security of our neighbors, but more importantly for the investigation that that remain in effect.

It has allowed police, Providence police, Bron police and all of our partners to --

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SMILTY: -- holiday party, but we do not feel it is necessary. In the hours that have eclipsed since the initial shooting, we've received no additional credible information that there is any specific, ongoing threat from this individual. And so, we do not believe these events need to be canceled. We do believe you can safely go to church in the morning.

In order to provide an additional sense of safety and comfort and confidence, there will be an enhanced invisible law enforcement presence throughout the community tomorrow. We want people to know that there are hard working men and women in law enforcement there for their protection and safety, and it's been a blur of the last couple of hours.

But I would like to reiterate our deep gratitude for how hard law enforcement is working right now. They will be up and out all night tonight and throughout the day tomorrow, and will remain hard at work until the individual responsible is brought to justice. But tomorrow, on Sunday, you will see police officers throughout the city and we are receiving and relying on and grateful for the assistance from the state police and our neighboring communities, all of whom have offered to help.

We know this is a scary time, but we also know that tomorrow there are some business that needs to get done. People want to take their kids to church in the morning, and we want them to feel comfortable doing so.

Those are the updates that I have to share. I'd like to invite Governor McKee to share a few words. Then well hear from Colonel Perez, chief of the Providence police department, and then well take your questions -- governor.

GOV. DAN MCKEE (D), RHODE ISLAND: So I said earlier, the unthinkable has happened here in Rhode Island. And our thoughts and prayers go to the people who have been personally impacted in the Brown community, but also, we want to make sure that we recognize the state as coming together as a whole. Around this issue, mayor rallying around Providence, Brown University.

As a parent, grandparent, we know that we have deep feelings right now in the state, but they're coming together. And I think that that's something that we can certainly rally behind as we as we enter into this second day at the hospital. Shout out to our nurses and our medical staff that is, you know, taking care of nine individuals right now.

And also, to the communities at large that have responded to you, Mayor, right? Whether they're coming from my hometown or Cumberland or all around the state of Rhode Island.

So were rallying behind one another. We're going to continue that in day two. The state pledges all its resources to the city of Providence. We'll partner in -- continuing partnering with our federal officials as well, to make sure that justice comes to the individual that pulled the trigger and cause death and families that are going to have to deal with this for a lifetime.

So I'm happy that, you know, that, that were able to respond.

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But very sad about why -- what we're responding to.

SMILEY: Thank you, Governor.

Now we'll get a brief update from Colonel Oscar Perez, chief of the Providence Police Department.

CHIEF OSCAR L. PEREZ, JR., PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND POLICE: Thank you. Mayor.

As the mayor stated, obviously, first and foremost, my thoughts and prayers to the family for losing their loved ones, especially in these times of the holidays that we all get together with our families. So, beyond that, I'll tell you that when the call came in, immediately our officers responded. Providence police was here within minutes.

At that point, obviously, we communicated with police and we did what we needed to do. At this point, as the mayor stated, we're going to continue to canvass the area. We have enhanced enforcement in the city. I got to thank our municipalities, our brothers and sisters from other municipalities who actually reached out immediately asking if I needed anything as well as the state police. And so, were there with that, as well as the federal agencies, the FBI, ATF who came and responded immediately and provided extra personnel, extra resources.

At this point, it's all hands-on deck, and I'll tell you that it was saved by the mayor. It was saved by the governor. It will be our job to ensure that the individual that's responsible is brought to justice. I think a's a father. As a father, as a as a brother, as an uncle. I think that we want to bring justice in sort of a relief to these families.

And again, my heart goes out to them, I'll tell you that, the mayor mentioned about the shelter in place is important to keep that in mind. These are fluid, dangerous situations, and we need to make sure that operationally, the police department can do their job. That's canvasing the area, identifying suspects. If we need to continue to stop vehicles, if we need to at this point, we want to make sure that everyone's safe. And then once we realize that that's the case, well make sure that that's lifted.

Again, I thank the officers of this department that stepped up immediately and quickly. Do I wish that we would have been here prior? Absolutely.

But I know for a fact the special response unit was here. Our task force was here, was here. Narcotics was here. Everyone that was working, including the commander who drove here immediately. It goes without saying that this city is well protected and will continue to be well protected. And we will continue to ensure that we do what we need to do to bring those people to justice. And I thank the mayor for the support and everybody else that's here for that.

So thank you. Yes.

REPORTER: Colonel, question.

PEREZ: Yes. Go ahead. John.

REPORTER: Just so we're clear.

PEREZ: Yes.

REPORTER: This individual goes into this classroom, this building fires and then exits. So nothing else on the campus seems very targeted. Is there a student that flunked out of the class? Seems to be some connection that building, that classroom. PEREZ: Correct. And that's a great point, John. And I'll tell you that

detective division is looking into that. Obviously, major is actually on the street right now as well as the captains, and that's something that we that we need to look at.

Right. What was this building? Why was this classroom? And as well work very closely with police to see what type of resources they have in the building, so that we can utilize to find the evidence that we need to follow and identify who this individual was.

REPORTER: One quick follow up. When you look at that video --

PEREZ: Yes.

REPORTER: He's going right down Waterman, comes up Hope-Waterman, what does that tell you? He seems fairly calm. He's not running. He's walking at a brisk pace. Your background, what does that tell you about this?

PEREZ: I'll tell you this. Individuals you see a nationwide. You never think it will happen here in the city of Providence. But that's the dynamic actions that they do. And its exactly what you saw. And it's something that we have to investigate further to figure out who this individual was. But we'll take that into account. Go ahead.

REPORTER: Chief, could you reach out to the Spanish speaking community and give us some type of words so we can direct you to those folks?

PEREZ: Yes, yes, I'll say in Spanish.

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SCIUTTO: Okay, we've been listening here to an update from authorities in Providence, Rhode Island. A couple of headlines there. We heard from the mayor, Brett Smiley, before he said that they're going to maintain the shelter in place order to allow for law enforcement to continue the investigation. He did say, however, they did not judge there to be a specific ongoing threat to events to take place tomorrow. It's, of course, Christmas week. He mentioned going to church. He said going to church would be safe tomorrow, et cetera. So that important distinction about the status of the shelter in place, he did say there would also be enhanced law enforcement presence around Providence tomorrow.

Joining me now is a city councilor for the city of Providence, Sue AnderBois. She represents the area just north of the Brown University campus.

So, Sue, thanks so much for joining us on a difficult and scary night.

SUE ANDERBOIS, PROVIDENCE CITY COUNCILOR: Thank you for having me. And thank you for covering this.

SCIUTTO: So first question is just simply, how are you doing? How is the community doing in the midst of this, particularly knowing that the shooter is still at large? ANDERBOIS: I think the community is shocked. They're very much reeling

from this. This is a -- this is a surprise for us. You really just never think it's going to happen in your community.

And Providence is a safe community. And, folks are reaching out, seeing how they can help, seeing if there's anything they can do. But folks are really reeling from this and are scared and concerned.

SCIUTTO: Yeah. Help me understand how you're digesting what the mayor was just saying. They're going to keep the shelter in place in place. And this is understandable. The shooter is still at large. He said, with a focus on allowing law enforcement to continue their investigation. And, frankly, chase down more clues so they could identify the killer. And find this killer.

But he did say that tomorrow he's not telling people to stay at home. He's saying you can feel safe going to church. There are other events tomorrow. Given that it's Christmas week.

What's your reaction to hearing that guidance there? Is it clear to you what makes sense for members of the community to do now?

ANDERBOIS: You know, I really have to commend Mayor Smiley on his leadership in this difficult situation. It's been incredibly dynamic to see what's been changing throughout the evening. It's been several hours since the incident took place.

So I think he's really trying to respond to the changing circumstances. I'm glad that the shelter in place is still in place overnight for those students. I talked to parents --

SCIUTTO: Hold that thought, if you don't mind, because the mayor is now updating again, were going to go back to the press conference. Here is Mayor Brett Smiley.

REPORTER: They're scared for their children. They send to your school to be safe. What do you say to parents tonight in the wake of this tragedy?

FRANCIS J. DOYLE III, BROWN UNIVERSITY PROVOST: Yeah. This is, as the mayor and the governor pointed out, an unthinkable, unthinkable act. Incomprehensible, right? None of us could prepare our kids for this, the parents. We've been in touch with, the parents.

The presidents not here right now because she was at the hospital tending to the students. And she's now at the nelson shelter in place location. We've communicated and put the word out to the parents. The perimeter that was spoken about earlier is part of the safe approach to managing the campus and getting students back in their dorm rooms. We'll continue to support them. That's our top priority.

REPORTER: I have a question for either the colonel or the representative from the FBI. Colonel, Brown, is, you know, international students have airports been alerted? Is it possible right now someone is at an airport and they maybe noticed someone suspicious? It could be a Brown student that committed this and is flying back to wherever they're from?

PEREZ: So we're working very closely with different agencies, as I mentioned, as well as the state police and every other, whether its the airport or any other Amtrak or anyone else that we think that obviously they know already. And also we're following up. Detectives are following up with information if needed. We're checking everything that we can. That's part of our job and our mission, and we'll continue to do it.

It's -- as you know, the city was the crime rate was down, obviously, as you know, and I really got full faith on my detectives and detectives and the Providence police. So we'll continue to do what we need to do to inform everyone and request the assistance from others if we need to.

REPORTER: So, it's safe to say the gunman is not a student because he's in his 30s. Is that a fair statement?

PEREZ: So I'll tell you that we have someone of interest in that video. But that's all we have at this point. So I can't elaborate on anything else.

REPORTER: I think it's possible.

SMILEY: Yeah. We don't know whether the individual is a student or not.

REPORTER: In that video, it's hard to see the shooter's right hand. Do we believe he's holding something?

SMILEY: You've seen the video just like we have. And so the video unfortunately does not disclose as many identifiable or detailed features as we would like, which is why the investigation is ongoing, looking for additional footage? Pictures, video that might help enhance our investigation? It's just impossible to say.

So as I mentioned -- Pat, last question.

REPORTER: Last question. A quick note from the gentleman from the FBI. Is the FBI aware of this and what resources do you plan on bringing?

MCKEE: Go ahead

TED DOCKS, FBI SAC, BOSTON FIELD OFFICE: No, absolutely.

Ted Docks, special agent in charge of FBI Boston, which covers Rhode Island.

Yes. We brought every resource to bear here. We have tactical individuals here. We have investigative. We have intel that also has integrated with the locals here as well. We have also a reconstruction team flying in from D.C. to also be a part of that scene to help to figure out maybe what happened there. We have evidence response team here as well.

And so, we have the full breadth of the FBI integrated into this team to try to find out what has happened and absolutely bring this individual to justice.

REPORTER: Do you have confidence that you'll catch this guy, or do you have a message to him tonight if he's watching?

DOCKS: I mean, I just -- I want to make things clear. You know, when you, you know, this community as a whole, my heart goes out to them. This is a community in community in which were a part of, you know, we have agents and staff and analysts that live in this community. And so, we have individuals, kids that go to this school here as well.

And so, when someone messes with this community, I think the mayor and the governor, they stated it very well that we stick together. And so that message will be that for anyone who has committed this heinous act, we will turn over every stone to make sure that we bring this individual to justice. Thank you.

SMILEY: And as the governor mentioned at our previous briefing the governor was called personally by the director of the FBI offering his full assistance. And we're grateful for that.

As I mentioned, this will -- we plan on this being our last update of the evening? If there is a meaningful update, we will notify you all. And were not afraid to update you in the middle of the night. But we will ensure that it's a meaningful update. Otherwise, we will plan on reconvening tomorrow and provide updates throughout the day. Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

SCIUTTO: Listening there to another update and as you heard, the mayor there, Brett Smiley, say, the last update expected this evening on the shooting at Brown University and the ongoing manhunt for the suspect in that shooting.

One highlight from this press conference is the mayor saying that they are going to keep the shelter in place, order in place to allow for law enforcement to continue its investigation. But he did say they did not believe there is an ongoing, specific threat to events to take place tomorrow, including, for instance, going to church. But other Christmas related events.

I want to bring back Sue AnderBois, city councilor for Providence. Sorry to interrupt as we got that last briefing there.

ANDERBOIS: Oh, no.

SCIUTTO: But how are you digesting their words so far? And I wonder, what's your level of confidence that they will get this shooter soon, right? I mean, they have a video. It's something, but it doesn't show his face. And clearly, no identity yet.

ANDERBOIS: Yeah. It's something I'm hopeful in the leadership of Chief Perez, and his and his team. And that we have the full weight of the FBI here as well. I'm grateful for Mayor Smiley and his leadership in keeping the shelter in place, in place. Overnight tonight. I know a lot of my neighbors, many of whom are brown faculty, brown

staff, brown grad students. Folks are concerned. They're scared. But they also want to be helpful in whatever ways they can be helpful. And a lot of that is just staying out of the way. Staying home, making sure they're not getting in the way of the first responders and the police and the FBI who are who are actively searching for the person who committed this heinous crime.

SCIUTTO: Yeah, it's quite a good point about just staying out of the way. Right? They got a lot of work to do as they look for this individual.

Well, Sue, we wish you and your community safety and some luck chasing down this, chasing down this killer. Thanks so much for joining.

Joining me now once again is a Brown University student who's been living through this himself for the last several hours, Ethan Schenker.

Ethan, good to have you back. I understand they've moved you out of the library now where you were under lockdown for hours. Where have they taken you now?

ETHAN SCHENKER, BROWN UNIVERSITY STUDENT (via telephone): Right. So now I'm at a facility in Brown's athletic complex. We were after about six hours in lockdown on the library, taken and police escort buses with Rhode Island public transit. Into this, the athletics complex where police have staged a really huge presence, with law enforcement officers from all different agencies and browns own police departments.

They separated people asking boys on one side, girls on the other side, and patted us down as we entered. The facility that we're in is where our hockey rink is, which can hold a lot of students. And, I'm looking around and seeing people with family services. And behavioral health and trauma response team. I think they've called in really just a lot of people to be here, and they're checking in students asking us to validate their students after patting it down. So they're trying to make sure that the people who get in here not only don't have weapons or anything dangerous, but are brown students.

SCIUTTO: Yeah. Of course, makes sense, right? I mean, they're still looking for the person behind all this. Have they told you what happens next? How long are they going to keep you there? What happens tomorrow?

SCHENKER: No, they have not. We really don't know what's going on. I think there's still the same uncertainty that's going on. I see some people with snacks. I think without food here. So, a lot of people haven't eaten in hours, but, as we kind of heard the press conference, there's still the shelter in place that was extended. So, I don't know whether this is going to be a situation where were spending the night here.

SCIUTTO: The -- you might have seen this video and I see were sharing now a video you shared earlier of as you were taken out of the library to this other safe location. They now have a video at least of the back of the person who they believe is the suspect in the shooting. Can you describe as you -- as you speak to, well, just your own feeling, but also other students there. Do you feel -- do you feel unsafe still with the shooter, still at large?

SCHENKER: I think so, I mean, yeah, I think that, you know, I feel safer being in a place with a lot of law enforcement. And I think, you know, talking to some other students, they, you know, felt a lot better after being moved. Just better, at least after being kind of moved into the place where you have just a huge law enforcement presence, really just everywhere. But this person is still out there, and I think, yeah, I'm still scared. And I think that a lot of people -- like a lot of my classmates are, too.

SCIUTTO: Yeah, understandably. Well, keep yourself safe, listen to law enforcement and keep your parents updated because I'm sure they're worried about you.

SCHENKER: Yeah, I've been talking with them, and I think they might be watching right now, but I really appreciate it.

SCIUTTO: Well, we send you our best to your mom and dad, Ethan Schenker, thanks so much for keeping us keeping us updated

SCHENKER: Thank you. Thanks so much.

SCIUTTO: Well, joining us now is FBI retired special agent and CNN law enforcement contributor Steve Moore.

Steve, it's good. It's good to have you.

I wonder if you could help us understand the police security footage at this point? Because as Mayor Brett Smiley said, they're keeping the shelter in place makes sense. I mean, you want kids safe, right? And you also want you want the space to do police work now to see if they can track this guy down.

But the mayor did said, say they don't believe there's a specific ongoing threat to events. For instance, tomorrow, he said people should feel free to go to church. They should feel free to go to other events.

Can you help us to understand that? Its not quite a contradiction, but. But how do you square that circle? Their shelter in place but no specific threat?

STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: Right, right. Excuse me.

So, he is absolutely, giving. Giving truth to you that there is no apparent specific threat. But if you have somebody out in the community who's just shot two people to death and injured nine, and that person is still out there, presumably with his weapon, you can't say that there's not some kind of threat out there, whether its specific or whether it's already -- whether he's already taken care of what he wanted to do, we don't know.

SCIUTTO: Yeah. We don't.

I want to play a clip of the video that police shared just a short time ago. And you have some information in that video, you see, appears to be a male wearing dark clothing, et cetera., but only from the back. No face, et cetera.

How useful is this at this point? It may be all they have, but how useful is it as you look at it, as someone from law enforcement?

MOORE: Well, if -- I mean, you're going to get some stuff from that. I mean, right now if you know, the FBI could, delve into that a little bit more, possibly find the manufacturers of some of the clothes he's wearing. Determine height. Determine just a lot of things about him. So that's one thing.

But I think what they're not telling you is there has to be a large amount of evidence, in the in the area of the shooting, if there's not, that's evidence in and of itself. For instance, they say we don't know what type of gun was used. Well, I'm sorry, but you have people who have been gone to the hospital. You have probably bullet holes in walls. Youve got a pretty good idea already, whether at least whether it's a pistol or a rifle.

So, and if there are casings on the ground you can get fingerprints from them. You can determine what caliber. Theres a lot of information that they're not discussing right now.

SCIUTTO: Yeah, yeah. And we did a CNN reported earlier.

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They did recover shell casings from the scene.

Steve Moore, thanks so much for joining us, helping us understand. We'll be right back with more of our breaking news coverage right after this break

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SCIUTTO: Back now to our breaking news out of Providence, Rhode Island, where a shooting at Brown University has left two students dead, nine people injured, eight of them students as well.

Law enforcement officials have released this video. The first video of the suspect. You see him walking down a street, rounding a corner, wearing dark clothing. His face unfortunately not visible in this video. Witnesses say he may have worn a gray camouflage mask. This, according to the police.

This next video we're about to show shows the moment first responders arrived right after the shooting and helped evacuate students who were then in hiding.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, guys. Did you hear anything or see anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCIUTTO: CNN's Leigh Waldman is on the scene there in Providence. And, Leigh, I understand you've been tracking the lockdown or shelter in place area around the campus. Can you -- can you tell us how far that extends right now?

WALDMAN: Absolutely, Jim. So we have a map. Let's go ahead and show that map right now. This is actually coming from Brown University.

You see there's 15 red boxes on that map. That's the area outlined by the university that these are the lockdown areas that law enforcement is going into these areas and actively searching for the person that they think is responsible for the tragedy that happened on that campus today, where we are right now. That's one of the areas that they're searching.

We've seen officers, one with a long rifle coming down the street here. I saw him with a flashlight, looking around, people are still driving around, taking a look for themselves, but you can see an ambulance -- an ambulance getting them out of this area. Because this is an area that's being actively searched. So that's what's happening there.

You can see law enforcement still blocking off this. But, Jim, just a few moments ago, we saw a police officers vehicle escorting two empty city busses. Now our photographer, Bob Crowley, he told us that earlier today when he was at that reunification center not far from this campus, those buses were escorting students off of this campus, taking them there.

We saw another student who appeared to be escorted by an officer a few moments ago. So, we know there's still a flurry of activities. But let's talk about what happened here. Boris hall is the building behind us there with its lights on. We've looked at a map. That's what its indicated as on the map.

Down the street is Hope Street. That's the street that we've heard from officials. They say, according to the video that we've been able to see. Now, that's where the alleged gunman exited onto that street and then turned down to Waterman.

We're going to try and make our way down there a little bit later on to show you that vantage point here. But we heard from those officials. They said, that's the last briefing for this evening. Unless there's something more that they need to update us. But they said they're working with the full breadth of the FBI, and they have a reconstruction team coming in from D.C. to help in this investigation.

SCIUTTO: Leigh Waldman there on the scene in Providence, thanks so much.

Well, joining me now is a Brown University student, Zoe Weisman, who sadly, this isn't the first time experienced this, also experienced the parkland shooting. As I understand it, in Florida seven years ago.

Zoe, good to have you on tonight. Thanks so much for joining.

And I'm so sorry that you've had to go through something like this not once, but twice. How do you -- how do you even comprehend that?

ZOE WEISSMAN, DIRECTOR OF MARCH FOR OUR LIVES, PARKLAND CHAPTER: I -- you know, I don't -- I don't think there's a way to comprehend it. I don't think there should be. Right. I'm numb, but I'm also really angry.

I think the sadness will set in when we, you know, get all the victims identified and find out who we lost as a community. But right now, I'm just angry that there's kids like me in this country who have had to go through this not once, but twice.

SCIUTTO: No question. You remember that after Parkland, as has happened after some school shootings, there's a moment of expectation that there might be change. There might be actual action, and too often it fades, right? It just disappears.

I mean, we've had that after sandy hook, after parkland. We had it after Uvalde, occasionally some incremental progress, but nothing seemingly consequential. That has to be frustrating as, as a victim of this.

WEISSMAN: It's -- I can't even put into words how frustrating it is. And I think that the common denominator around all of that is inaction on the part of Congress. I think that we've seen time and time again, congress has failed to show that they actually care about their constituents. And if they did, they would immediately pass comprehensive gun violence prevention bills.

SCIUTTO: Tell me how you're doing right now, because I've been speaking to students on campus. And as we understand it, and as the mayor has described it, there's still a shelter in place. Are you still in a shelter in place, under a shelter in place order?

WEISSMAN: Yeah. So I'm safe in my dorm, but we can't leave our dorms. We can't leave our buildings. So physically I'm safe. And I've had lots of friends and family reaching out to me.

SCIUTTO: How is your family doing with this?

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Because, of course, they went through this with you once before. They must be concerned about you tonight.

WEISSMAN: Yeah. I -- the first person I called was my mom, which was the same thing that happened with Parkland. And just seeing her go through those emotions all over again makes me feel so bad for her. And I think it feels like I'm 12 again. And I think it feels like its 2018 again for my family as well. We're going through the exact same emotions.

SCIUTTO: Goodness, I'm certain she's concerned about you. And as a parent, I can only imagine going through that twice. No one should have to go through it once. Tell me how your as you reach out to friends there on campus. Fellow classmates, how the -- how the student community is taking care of each other tonight.

WEISSMAN: Yeah. So far, thankfully all of the friends that I've reached out to and have reached out to me have been safe. But, you know, a lot of them have actually been reaching out to me for advice on how to deal with something like this, which is crazy, that I have that experience, the ability to do that. But, you know, I think everyone's been checking in with each other, making sure physically safe. And I think that aftermath is going to come soon after over.

SCIUTTO: Well, Zoe, I'm glad you're safe tonight. I'm sorry you've had to go through this trauma yet again. And please do continue to stay safe, because, as you know there's still -- there's still a shelter in place, and that's for a reason. So take care of yourself. And thanks so much for joining.

WEISSMAN: Thank you.

SCIUTTO: Zoe Weissman there, Brown University student, survivor tonight and survivor back in Parkland in 2018.

We'll be right back with more on our breaking news.

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SCIUTTO: The latest on the breaking news out of Brown University. Two people are dead, nine injured, eight of them students after an on campus shooting. Those two who were killed, students as well.

Officials have now released this video of the suspect. As you see there, shows him walking near the scene of the shooting, his face not visible. The mayor says a shelter in place order will remain in effect so that police can continue their investigation and the manhunt for the suspect.

They do not, however, believe there is a specific ongoing threat to public safety.

Thanks so much for watching us today. I'm Jim Sciutto in Washington.

Polo Sandoval will pick up our coverage with more right after this break.