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U.S. Races To Find Second F-15 Crew Member Shot Down Over Iran; NATO Chief Meeting With Trump, Rubio, And Hegseth Next Week; Gas Prices Keep Climbing Amid Iran War As Spring Travel Picks Up; Artemis II Astronauts Now More Than Halfway To The Moon; Supporters Of Wisconsin Mosque Leader Call For His Release; 50 Years Of Apple. Aired 7-8p ET

Aired April 04, 2026 - 19:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN ANCHOR: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. Hi, everyone. I'm Jessica Dean here in New York.

We are following breaking news as U.S. forces search for a missing crew member from an F-15 fighter jet shot down over Iran. Sources tell CNN the one other crew member has been rescued and is now in U.S. custody.

I want to show you some video that appears to show part of that search for the missing crew member. This footage has been verified by CNN. You'll see it shows that low flying aircraft. The White House saying the president has, of course, been briefed on this incident.

In Iran, military officials are responding following recent threats by President Trump regarding the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. Iran warning the gates of hell will open if the conflict expands.

Let's bring in CNN correspondent Julia Benbrook, who is following what the president and the administration are saying tonight. We did hear from the president earlier on Truth Social.

Julia, what are they saying?

JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, he made comments on Truth Social, his social media site, earlier today. He reiterated a threat that he has made, saying that time is running out when it comes to the Strait of Hormuz. And I want to pull up that post for you now to read it to you in full. Some very strong words here.

Trump said, quote, "Remember when I gave Iran 10 days to make a deal or open up the Hormuz Strait? Time is running out. 48 hours before all hell will reign down on them." And then he added at the end of this post, quote, "Glory be to God."

Now, as I mentioned, he has made this threat over and over again, but the deadline has been changing. He first made it late last month. It started with a 48 hour deadline. There was then a five day pause, then a 10 day extension. But it's now set for Monday. And again, he's using that language, time is running out. He wants to see some progress here.

Now, SeNATOr Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, he posted not long after that Truth Social post, he said that he spoke with the president today, and he believes that this deadline specifically is going to stick. He says that he supports the ultimatum that the president has laid out here, and that he believes that there will be an overwhelming military force if Iran does not stop impeding the strait.

DEAN: And Julia, separately, we still wait to hear more about this missing crew member. We know there is an active search underway by search and rescue teams trying to locate this person. What are we hearing from the White House on this?

BENBROOK: Yes. Sources have said that those search and rescue efforts are still ongoing for that one crew member who's missing. Now, President Donald Trump, he has not said much publicly about this. There have been a few brief interviews with various outlets. He told NBC News that he does not think that this incident is going to impact negotiations with Iran.

When it came to the search and rescue efforts, though, he declined to go into detail there. Then, in a separate interview with "The Independent," he was pressed on what actions, if any, he would take if that missing crew member was captured or harmed by the Iranians, and he wouldn't talk about that either. Instead, he said specifically, we hope that's not going to happen.

Now, of course, we'll monitor any comments. We know a lot of his big comments come on social media, even the announcement of the beginning of Operation Epic Fury, those first joint U.S.-Israel strikes against Iran. He announced those there. But we do have a lid here at the White House, which means that we do not expect to see him and be able to ask him questions today about this.

DEAN: All right. Julia Benbrook, from the White House. Thank you for your reporting.

And CNN military analyst and former Air Force Colonel Cedric Leighton is joining us now.

Colonel Leighton, I want to stay talking about this missing crew member who is now somewhere in Iran, and the search and rescue efforts, as Julia was just pointing out, continue.

What kind of logistics are involved in a search mission like this? And we saw, too, that low flying plane in that video.

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There's real risk involved for these search and rescue teams as well. They're pretty exposed as they're trying to do some of these things.

COL. CEDRIC LEIGHTON, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Yes, they certainly are, Jessica. And so when you see that low flying aircraft, a C-130 that is flying low and slow literally over some hostile territory, denied territory. So the risks for missions like this are pretty considerable, as you pointed out. Even small arms fire could potentially do damage to an aircraft like that. And the thing to note is a couple of the helicopters involved in the rescue mission were actually struck by what appears to be a small arms fire in this case. So there's a lot of risk in that -- in this case.

So when it comes to the logistics, you've got these aircraft that you see. You have the people on board. You have those people, you know, come with all kinds of gear. Some of them, you know, have parachutes with them. Some of them have ropes so that they can fast rope down to the ground from a helicopter, from a hovering helicopter, and potentially pick up the aircrewman. So that it becomes, you know, part of what they do.

And in terms of other aspects of this operation, they have to have a refueling capability. And that is also one of the things that the C- 130 often provides is that refueling capability to -- especially for the helicopters that can go into areas that aircraft, fixed wing aircraft normally can't get into. That's the kind of thing that becomes really important. So you've got fuel issues, you've got time on station issues. In other words, how often and how long the various aircraft, both fixed wing and rotary wing, can fly in a given area.

And then you also have personnel considerations, plus the threat. They have to watch for the threat to see if Iranian units are moving into the area where they think the downed airmen is actually located. So that becomes a key element as well.

DEAN: And these airmen are trained, they're briefed specifically for whatever mission they're going on in case something like this is to happen. Right?

LEIGHTON: Yes, absolutely. So when an aircrew prepares for a mission, they're given an extensive intelligence briefing. You know what the threat actually is. And that often includes what's the surface-to-air missile threat? You know, what are the possible escape routes if you are downed in a certain area? All kinds of things like that. So there is a specific intelligence briefing and there's also a SERE briefing. In other words, a survival, escape, resistance and evasion type briefing.

And so those efforts become critical because they are trying to not only prepare the various aircrews for these kinds of situations, but they're also trying to refresh the training that they received. Every single aircrew person in the Air Force and in the other services gets to go through SERE training, and that training is that survival, escape and evasion training that becomes critical in a situation like this.

DEAN: And the president told NBC News that this is not going to affect negotiations. But in your mind, how does this shift the dynamics of this war if it does?

LEIGHTON: Yes. So it would definitely shift the dynamics of this war if the air crew member were captured, and especially either captured alive or deceased. So it would potentially be quite an issue. And the Iranians would try to use that person as a bargaining chip. That's something that they've been trying to do really, you know, ever since the hostage crisis in 1979. So that's the kind of thing that we would expect to see from them.

It's something that they also train for, these air crew members who, you know, might be in a situation like this. So they are trained to not only evade, but if they are captured, they are also trained to survive that situation. So it would -- that would definitely change the dynamic. If the person hopefully is taken out alive by U.S. military forces that would make it less of an issue, but it would also point to certain vulnerabilities in the Iranian system and their security system.

And that would obviously be a good thing for us from a military standpoint and that could point to, you know, some other things that could potentially at least showcase some of the weaknesses on the Iranian side and potentially be one of the elements that could result in a resolution to the conflict. But that would be a long way off. It would be only a minute portion of that.

DEAN: All right, Colonel Leighton, always good to have you. Thanks for that. We appreciate it.

LEIGHTON: You bet, Jessica.

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DEAN: Still ahead, the head of NATO is set to visit the White House this week as tensions flare again between the president and the alliance. Plus, we're going to take a look at what life is like inside the tight quarters of the space capsule for the Artemis II crew as they continue to head toward the moon. And it doesn't matter if you choose the roads or the sky, travelers are feeling some sticker shock this holiday weekend.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: Next week, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte will fly to Washington, D.C. to meet with President Trump, as well as Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. The visit coming as the president again suggesting he's considering withdrawing the U.S. from the alliance, growing increasingly frustrated over its lack of support in the war with Iran.

Several NATO members have denied the U.S. logistical help or access to military bases and airspace in recent weeks.

We are joined now by former U.S. ambassador to NATO, Kurt Volker. He also served as U.S. special representative for Ukraine negotiations during President Trump's first term.

Ambassador, thank you so much for being here with us. I really appreciate it. What do you think the president is trying to achieve in this meeting and this latest round of calling out NATO?

KURT VOLKER, FORMER. U.S. AMBASSADOR TO NATO: Well, first off, I think in terms of the blame of NATO, the blame shifting, if you will, I think President Trump is very frustrated that the war in Iran is still going on. Iran is successfully able to hold the rest of the world, global economy hostage with shutting down the Strait of Hormuz, high oil prices and so forth. He wants European allies to do something to help.

Unfortunately, the U.S. has not gone about this the right way in terms of talking to allies in advance, establishing a clear goal, asking for their support, establishing a common operation with the U.S. leadership and allies contributing in that operation. We haven't done any of the homework that we would normally do. So this is an opportunity now for both President Trump and the secretary general of NATO, Mark Rutte, to sit down and hammer that out.

I do think it's a vital interest for Europe, for oil and gas to flow through the Persian Gulf. We can't allow this regime to stay in place and hold everybody else in the world hostage. There is probably an operation out there that we can all do together. Let's sit down, stop the rhetoric and figure out what that is and do it.

DEAN: And I just want to be clear for a minute because, again, as Trump suggests, he's considering withdrawing from NATO. It's not actually that simple for him to just decide he's going to withdraw from NATO. Right?

VOLKER: Right. Well, two things. One of them, it's a really bad idea. So I think the U.S. public, I think Republicans and Democrats in the Congress and the Senate, everybody will be against that because they know NATO is not meant to be an expeditionary force to go fight wars all over the world. NATO is meant to be a deterrence force for security in Europe and North America. No one will attack us because they know we will all fight together to defend ourselves. That's what NATO is, and it's still a good idea.

And then we have to separate that question from what do we do about Iran, and what do we do about the Persian Gulf? There I think European allies have missed a beat. They should have let the U.S. use their facilities. But whether or not they did, we still need a way forward. And that's what we should be talking about this week.

DEAN: I want to play a clip from President Trump. This was a closed door lunch. He said the U.S. did not need NATO's help with Iran. This was briefly posted to the White House YouTube page and then preserved by a reporter for "Business Insider." So this is the clip.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We've had some very bad allies in NATO. And, you know, we spend trillions of dollars on NATO. And when we need them, which we never do, we didn't need them here either. To be honest, I was really asking because I wanted to see what they do. We didn't need them. We blasted the hell out of them -- out of Iran. And the last thing I needed was NATO stepping in our way because they're not, they're a paper tiger.

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DEAN: Ambassador, again, just reminding everyone you were the U.S. ambassador to NATO. And with that experience, what do you think about those comments?

VOLKER: Well, there's so many things about that. First off, either you want them to help or you don't. It's not that we don't need them. But now were disappointed that they didn't do anything. Second, there's a way to go about this. NATO has established procedures. There's a way to bring an issue to the table. You establish a goal. You establish a concept of operations. You then tasked the military, you develop an operational plan.

Everybody does force generation to contribute to that plan. And we do that. That's what we did in Kosovo. That's what we did in Bosnia. That's what we did in Afghanistan. All things with the U.S. led and NATO followed with the United States. We didn't do any of that here thus far, but we still can. So that's the thing there.

The second thing about this is that, you know, President Trump didn't seek allied support at the beginning. He launched this operation with Israel without telling anybody. So they were all surprised and flat- footed. And now to say, OK, I'm disappointed they didn't help, what did we expect them to do when they didn't even know this war was going to happen?

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So we can still put this back together and we should because NATO is a vital interest for the U.S. and Europe alike, as is energy flows through the Persian Gulf. But we've got to sit down, stop the rhetoric in public, talk about what the way forward really is.

DEAN: And to your first point that you were talking about with this meeting with Mark Rutte next week, what role do you see for NATO in this war, if at all? What do you see as the likely outcome?

VOLKER: Well, it depends, it depends which way President Trump wants to go. And we have to let the president choose. Either we go all in to get rid of this Iranian regime, because if we don't, they will hold shipping hostage in the Persian Gulf indefinitely. They will threaten to attack their neighbors. They will rearm their proxies. They will attack Israel, and we will be negotiating kind of a cold war with Iran going forward because that regime is in place.

Alternatively, we go all in for a regime change. We commit whatever force is necessary to bring that about and come out the other side with an Iranian government that we can work with. It's one or the other. Allies need to know what the U.S. is really going to do in this situation. And then if it's the former, we're negotiating with the regime and we're trying to figure out ways they can help. They have better relations with Iran than we do. We can come up with a formula.

Alternatively, if its regime change and we are all going in, we need to lay that on the line and say, we are doing this, we are committed to it. We need your help. We want you to give us everything you can to make sure we succeed so that we all come out better in the end. It's one or the other.

DEAN: All right. Ambassador Kurt Volker, great to have you. Thank you so much.

VOLKER: My pleasure. Thank you.

DEAN: Still ahead in the CNN NEWSROOM, we hear from travelers feeling sticker shock at the pump this holiday weekend.

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DEAN: The holiday weekend has started. Travelers are seeing surging gas prices. The national average for a gallon of regular gas is $4.10. $0.12 higher than last week, $0.90 higher than this time last month.

With drivers hitting the road for the Easter holiday, gas prices are cutting deep and the cost is due to this war with Iran and what's going on in the Strait of Hormuz and how that's disrupting the oil industry.

CNN's Gloria Pazmino is joining us now from the New Jersey turnpike.

Gloria, you talked to drivers. What are they telling you?

GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Jessica. And look, if you are coming through this intersection, chances are you're going to want to stop here and fill up your gas tank because we're in New Jersey, and whether you're going north or south, chances are prices right here are going to be a little bit lower than most places, certainly lower than in New York City. So this is a major stop for a lot of people traveling along the New Jersey turnpike between here in New Jersey, between New York City and the rest of the East Coast.

Now, here's where gas prices are at. As of today, we're seeing the current average is at $4.10. The weekly average is around $3.98. And you can compare that to the average last month, which was at $3.20. And we have seen gas prices just skyrocket over the last few weeks, 37 percent to be exact, because of the conflict that's going on in Iran.

Now, the biggest driver of all of this is what we are seeing in Iran. That has created a lot of volatility, instability, a massive supply disruption in the global oil markets. That has reduced availability. The price of crude oil has increased, and that's what's driving the increase in gas prices.

Now, all of this is happening as we are entering a major travel season here in the U.S. It's the middle of spring break for a lot of people. We're in the middle of the Easter holiday, the Passover holiday, and of course, summer is right around the corner where a lot of people are going to be getting on the road, traveling, going on vacation. So we heard from some drivers who are having second thoughts. We heard from some people who told me that they are driving less when

they can, but also people who told me they simply have no choice. They have to get to where they're going, whether that's work or their travel, and they have no option but to fill up their tank.

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CHRIS BRANDAO, DRIVER: I'm holding the pump and it doesn't end. It's $130 to fill up this car. No choice. I just have to fill up the tank. There's nothing I could do. You got it -- I need the car. I need to get from point A to point B.

DOROTA WALLACE, DRIVER: It's definitely getting tougher. I don't drive much, but whenever I do drive, I definitely feel it.

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PAZMINO: Now, you think that gas prices are a little bit low here in New Jersey? Think of California. They have some of the highest prices. They're averaging about $5.92 per gallon in California right now, while Oklahoma is seeing some of the lowest prices, $3.29. That's below the $4 mark, which is unlike what we are seeing around much of the country. And of course, the question is, when will the prices come down?

But experts warn that even if the conflict in Iran ends anytime soon, it is likely that it's going to take the global oil market at least, at least a few months to stabilize and for the prices to begin coming down -- Jessica.

DEAN: All right. Gloria, thanks so much.

And when we come back, Houston has -- there's probably a plumbing problem. How astronauts are working through a toilet issue on their way to the moon.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: Right now, four astronauts on the Artemis II mission are traveling in space at more than 2,000 miles an hour as they make their way around the moon.

And we just heard from crew members a short time ago about how they are feeling.

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CHRISTINA KOCH (Artemis II mission specialist): Such a long initial day that I think our bodies are ready to sleep no matter what.

Most of us have been sleeping really well. For me, sleeping in space is one of the most comfortable ways to sleep, and it is very deep sleep.

Sometimes when you first get up here, you have a little bit of a sensation that something is wrong. As soon as you wake up, maybe you're falling or you don't recognize your surroundings, but it is great.

I mean, honestly, being human up here is one of the coolest things about this mission.

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DEAN: NASA just giving an update on the mission, saying the crew is now closer to the moon than they are to Earth. Officials also addressing these toilet issues that are happening on Artemis II.

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JOHN HONEYCUTT, ARTEMIS II MISSION MANAGEMENT TEAM CHAIR: I would really like for it to be in the best state it can be for the crew's sake. You know, it is kind of like -- it is a little bit of camping in space already, but then it makes the camping a little bit tougher when you don't have the full capability of the toilet, but you know, they are okay, and they have trained to manage through the situation.

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DEAN: Tomorrow, the crew officially enters the lunar sphere of influence, and that's when the pull of the moon's gravity will be stronger than the Earth's.

Monday, it will be the highly anticipated lunar flyby, or slingshot around the moon that sends the astronauts further into space than anyone has ever been before.

It is incredible. It is quite a long journey to the moon. Thankfully, the astronauts are pretty well set up, though inside the living space there in the Orion space capsule.

CNN's Tom Foreman has more on the crew's home away from home.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What is life like for the Orion crew right now? Well, I can tell you, it is busy and it's really interesting.

Let's get rid of the service module for a moment here, although it will stay with the crew capsule for almost the entire mission. I just want to talk about the crew capsule now, though, and give you a sense of what they're dealing with.

First of all, this is a big capsule, 23,000 pounds at liftoff. More than 11 feet tall, 16 feet wide. So, that's big. And the interior is bigger than anything NASA has put up into space since the space shuttle.

But this is all a relative thing. If you were to come inside here, you would say, well, they have a lot to get in here too. All four people have to live here. They have to have places to be strapped in or sit. They have communications equipment. They have control equipment. They have emergency supplies, medical supplies, food, water, waste facilities, exercise equipment, even some things for entertainment. So, yes, it's a lot to get into this space, as spacious as it is.

If you look at this NASA video, you can get a sense of what it would really be like inside. Although I should point out, you're not stuck to one space. Remember, in microgravity, they can use all this space to do what they want to do.

Still, it's four people in this space for 10 days. That's not a whole lot of room. And they have to all work in concert to make it work properly. And interestingly enough, that includes sleeping at the same time.

Yes, that's right. At the same time they will all strap in for the night, close their eyes and they will sleep and dream as they drift through the cosmos from the Earth, all the way up to this historic return to the moon.

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DEAN: All right, Tom Foreman, thank you for that.

And joining us now, retired astronaut, Jose Hernandez.

It is so good to have you here. It is incredible to think about what they are seeing, what they are feeling, how this is all going.

This mission is expected to take humans farther than we have ever been before. And for somebody like you who is so invested in this program, in space, what is it like for you to watch this historic trip?

JOSE HERNANDEZ, RETIRED NASA ASTRONAUT: It just gives me chills. It brings back good memories of my trip aboard Space Shuttle Discovery to the International Space Station.

There we went around the earth 214 times in my 14-day mission, but these guys are going far and. And yes, they do have some problems, some plumbing problems. But, you know, astronauts are even plumbers up in space. So they're getting things fixed. And, you know, they did that translunar insertion firing of the rockets and they took off at about 25,000 miles an hour as they approach the moon, it slows down to a few thousand. Then they are going to get slingshot and go back again at 25,000 miles an hour.

Man, it is a great trip that I wish I was on.

DEAN: It is incredible. And so help people understand, they are going really far out and we were under -- we were, you know, watching NASA earlier explaining where they are going to be. They are going to be kind of above the moon, not as low as previous missions.

So they're going to see kind of a different perspective, help people understand why this is important, why are we orbiting in this way? And where does that lead us? If we are going to potentially go land on the moon again?

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HERNANDEZ: Well, yes, we are looking at it from all angles, the moon.

I think the lunar base that they want to land on in Artemis IV and V missions is going to be near the south pole because there are some craters there. There are some interesting terrain and the craters potentially have ice. So that's a water source.

They are going to go around the moon, which makes them the farthest humans have ever traveled from Earth. And they are going to have a great view of the Dark Side of the Moon, and all of that is important because they are studying everything they can before we actually go back on the surface.

DEAN: Yes, and so that is what kind of -- this is just laying the groundwork for that, helping our space exploration efforts move forward, right?

HERNANDEZ: Absolutely, absolutely. If you -- this is the first one that's crewed, Artemis III, the next mission next year, we are going to test out the lunar landers from our commercial partners, and we are going to do that in the close confines of low earth orbit. Then Artemis IV and V is going to set the tone for going to space in 2028 and going every year, at least one or two trips a year where we could start building a lunar base.

Why do you want a lunar base? Because we want to test out technologies that one day is going to get us to Mars and beyond. So there is a big lunar economy that's going to be developed, lots of opportunities for our international space partners and commercial -- sorry about that, and commercial partners and commercial companies.

DEAN: And so on Monday, when they get kind of slingshotted around, they are going to lose communication with Mission Control for parts of this mission. Now, that's to be expected. That's normal procedure.

But, nonetheless, you're kind of floating out there in space. It is kind of probably got to be a wild thing in that moment.

HERNANDEZ: It is, but we all understand physics and, orbital dynamics, orbital mechanics, and we know we are going to get slingshot around. It looks like you're going off to the oblivion, but you're actually going to -- gravity is going to do its work and it is going to slingshot you back home.

DEAN: It is incredible. God bless gravity.

All right, Jose Hernandez, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Good to see you.

HERNANDEZ: Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Thank you very much, Jessica.

DEAN: Still ahead, calls for the leader of the largest mosque in Wisconsin to be released from immigration custody. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: Local officials and religious leaders are calling for the release of a Wisconsin mosque president detained by ICE.

Salah Sarsour is a Palestinian-born legal permanent resident of the U.S. His attorneys say his detention is due to criticisms of Israel. DHS has accused him of lying on his green card application.

Sarsour's oldest son had this to say earlier about his father.

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KARIM SARSOUR, SALAH SARSOUR'S SON: He said the word give up isn't in the Palestinian dictionary, and today we carry that and we say the word give up isn't in our dictionary.

We will keep fighting for him until justice prevails, until he is out, reunited with his family, his grandkids, and the new grandkid that is coming up next week.

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DEAN: CNN senior correspondent, Josh Campbell is joining us now with more.

What do we know, Josh, about all of this?

JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jessica, we know that these elected leaders and members of the clergy across the country, many of them are outraged over Sarsour's arrest.

He, as you mentioned, is the president of Wisconsin's largest mosque. He was born in Palestine. He is a legal, permanent U.S. resident, though. He has been in this country for more than 30 years.

His attorneys believe he has been singled out by the Trump administration due to his criticism of Israel. What his attorneys are saying and claims by the Department of Homeland Security are certainly at odds. His attorneys believe that U.S. officials have deemed him a foreign policy threat to the United States, but they say those claims are baseless. So why was he arrested by ICE this week? Here is what DHS said in a statement to CNN. They said that Sarsour "... is a terrorist convicted for throwing Molotov cocktails at the homes of Israeli Armed Forces. This illegal alien from Jordan lied on his green card application to gain legal status in the United States."

His attorneys say he is not from Jordan. He is from Palestine, but we've tried to get more details on what exactly happened with this arrest. We've been bounced around by federal officials referring us to different agencies for more information on what the basis of the arrest was.

We've also found that no indication of any U.S. charges in his more than 30 years in this country, but his attorneys note that he was convicted as a child in an Israeli military court decades ago for offenses that included allegedly throwing rocks at Israeli officers.

But interestingly, Sarsour's attorneys also say that the U.S. government has known about that decades' old conviction in Israel since he came to the U.S. back in 1993.

As we seek more details, we are hearing from angry public officials on social media. The mayor of Milwaukee said that Sarsour is a legal permanent resident. He said "... there is no substantive evidence that he has done anything wrong."

As far as what happens next as far as we know, he remains in a county jail in the state of Indiana. His attorneys have filed a petition in court seeking his immediate release. Jessica, we are standing by to see what a judge might ultimately decide here.

DEAN: All right, more to come.

Josh Campbell, thank you so much for that. We will be right back.

CAMPBELL: Of course.

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DEAN: Tonight, in a brand new episode of "The Whole Story" with Anderson Cooper, CNN's Bill Weir looks at 50 years of Apple, and there is no question it has made our lives simpler, faster, more connected.

But as our dependance on these devices has grown, so have questions about what we've lost, the tradeoffs.

CNN' chief climate correspondent, Bill Weir is joining us now.

Bill, good to see you.

BILL WEIR, CNN CHIEF CLIMATE CORRESPONDENT: Hi!

DEAN: Apple hasn't just made products. It has integrated itself into so many of our lives, how we live, how we work, how our brains operate. What did you find in your reporting?

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WEIR: Well, it is so fascinating. The origin story of this seismic brand really starting in Steve Jobs' parents' garage. He just knew he wanted to start a company. He knew a lot less about computers than Steve Wozniak, who had this sort of hippie ideal about personal computing for everyone. No one had ever experienced that.

He pitched his idea five times to his employer, Hewlett Packard. They turned him down before they started Apple Computer. And then, of course, there were highs and lows. Apple 3 was a glitch. The Macintosh didn't sell enough.

But then in 2007 came the announcement that changed everything. Take a look.

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TONY FADELL, ENGINEER AND FORMER CEO OF NEST LABS: At the time, companies like Nokia were working really hard to get music on a phone, and so we were looking at another existential crisis at Apple.

These companies who have a lot more money and world domination on phones, they're going to take the iPod business away from us.

So, what are we going to do? And what we said was, how do we make a phone inside the iPod.

STEVE JOBS, FOUNDER, APPLE: Every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said, today, were unveiling three new products.

JOBS: An iPod, a phone, and an internet communicator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then he goes, an iPod, a phone. Are you getting it?

JOBS: Are you getting it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And suddenly people realized its all the same thing.

JOBS: This is one device.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And people just lost their minds.

JOBS: And we are calling it iPhone.

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WEIR: And boy, would that thing change everything. It would create billion dollar attention economies and gig economies. It would change how we isolate, how we connect, how we stand, our postures, so many things as a result of the smartphone, the android phone outsells iPhone around the rest of the world, but it wouldn't have happened without this device.

And Tony Fadell, who you saw there, one of the original engineers said they noticed the hypnotic pull of these things before they were even on shelves, because people were pulling them out in meetings, they never pull a laptop out of meetings, he said, something is different.

But it wouldn't be until 2018 that we got the screen time feature, so you could see exactly how much of your day you spent staring at the black glass. It is another sort of unintended consequences what these things have done to our children, to our brains.

So we dig into all aspects of this incredible company coming up.

DEAN: Yes, there is so much that it has done, to your point, to our brains and how we just interact with each other and ourselves and the world now.

Did you find -- where are people -- consumers on having more control over how this technology is incorporated into their lives? It seems like there was kind of a lag time where it was like, we should have an iPad and an iPhone in everybody's hand, and now it is like, how do we balance everything?

WEIR: I tell you, just personally, as a parent, I gave my daughter her first iPhone when she was ten, which is one of my biggest regrets. Now, I have a little boy, he is not going to get one until his late teens, 17 is the target age. Honestly or 16.

You're seeing more school bans across the country, around the world, mostly around social media. But this is the social media delivery system for so many people. And there is some sort of a backlash.

I went to one of a growing number of phone free restaurants. There is one in Washington, D.C. called Hush Harbor, where I met the month offline challenge folks. These are people who are trying to put these in a box for a month and then switching over to old school flip phones.

Just to add some more friction, force some more connection in their lives. I did an experiment and tried it myself. I took brain tests before and after, which you'll see tonight. But I do think we are at a real inflection point where we became so obsessed with these incredibly hypnotic devices. And then at a certain point, you realize, wait a minute, this thing is using me instead of the other way around, and you can take dominance over it again because it is incredibly helpful. It can be life-saving in many cases.

But just like any technology, there are tradeoffs. And depending on who is holding it, good or bad.

DEAN: Yes, and I think about kids or even babies, little children that can intuitively know how to swipe. It is like, it is just -- it is hypnotic is a great word for it.

WEIR: Yep, yep. It is. We are in a different age now and who knows what comes next. We will try to get into that as well tonight. DEAN: Yes. All right. It is going to be fascinating.

Bill Weir, always good to see you. Thanks so much for that. We appreciate it.

WEIR: You bet.

DEAN: And be sure to tune in. It is "The Whole Story" with Anderson Cooper, "50 Years of Apple." Again, it is airing tonight at 10:00 P.M. Eastern, only here on CNN.

And before we let you go, take a look at this, kind of an amazing picture. That is the moon. The Orion capsule there on your left, the moon in the distance. Artemis crew reaching the moon in that area in about less than two days. They are going to be slingshotted around it by gravity as they see some never before seen sights on the other side. Going to be really, really cool to see how that goes.

Thank you so much for joining me this evening. I am Jessica Dean. Remember, if you're here in the U.S. with us, you can now stream CNN whenever you want on our CNN App, just visit CNN.com/watch for more on that.

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