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Saudi Security Forces Kill al Qeada Leader; A Look At Fathers On Eve Of Father's Day

Aired June 19, 2004 - 12:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: It is noon in New Jersey, 7:00 p.m. in Saudi Arabia. Welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield at CNN's global headquarters. Ahead this hour, murder and retribution. Saudi forces track and kill the leader of the terrorist group claiming responsibility for beheading American, Paul Johnson. The latest on other terrorist suspects captured in the raid.
Also, U.S. investigators inside Saudi Arabia, the FBI's role in tracking the terror suspects.

And later, a look at why the murder of one man has captured such enormous international attention. But, first, here are the headlines at this hour.

A group of U.S. senators is in Iraq on an unannounced mission, meeting with top Iraqi officials. Minority leader Tom Daschle and Senators Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham met with the interim Iraqi prime minister. They praised the plane to restore democracy.

Iraqis say 17 civilians were killed in a coalition-led airstrike in the city of Fallujah. Two houses were destroyed. The coalition says the targets are linked to insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Meantime, two U.S. soldiers have been killed as coalition soldiers battle insurgents for a fourth day north of Baghdad and in the south a roadside bomb killed two people in the city of Basra.

We begin in Saudi Arabia where officials are confirming the death of a man who called himself al-Qaeda's leader in Saudi Arabia. Security sources say he was killed in a shootout with police after the beheading of American, Paul Johnson. We get the latest information live by phone from CNN's Caroline Faraj in Dubai in the neighboring United Arab Emirates.

And Caroline, already there are at least ten in custody, as well?

CAROLINE FARAJ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the number that we've got from the Saudi officials it's 12 were arrested four were killed in the attack that took place yesterday and took several hours during midnight in Riyadh. They confirmed four people were killed and on the top of the list is, of course, Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, according to the officials which, actually, they showed his picture and several pictures, as well, on the state-owned television to prove he was killed. Especially after a statement was issued on several Islamic sites denying the killing of their leader who is supposedly the link between al-Qaeda and the militants in Saudi Arabia. But, of course, the Saudis showed the picture to show the end to these pictures -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And Caroline, the killing of the al-Qaeda leader and the capture of the other suspects, was it believed that there was some cooperation by witnesses and that's how investigators, they were able to pinpoint or target these suspects?

FARAJ: According to the official statement that was issued today, just a few hours ago, on the state-owned news agency, they said they got a tip and information that some people, four of them, were at a gas station in the midst of Riyadh in an area called (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and, accordingly, they immediately, the sealed off the whole area and then started to exchange fire between them and the militants. The Saudi officials -- Saudi -- I mean, forces and the militants. This is exactly what was mentioned in the statement -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And now, is there caution or even expectations there may be retaliation for al-Muqrin's assassination.

FARAJ: Definitely, the whole security police in Saudi Arabia, they're on high alert, as well as all the compounds where the dispatchers (PH) actually are living in, they are all trying to be very careful, especially after this statement that was issued by the U.S. embassy and the State Department and other diplomats, as well, were telling their people to watch it very carefully. Arresting or killing the sell of al-Muqrin does not mean it is the end of the story, there are some expectations that maybe somebody else would be carrying the flag after him or other cells will come up on the surface. So, all options are open -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Caroline Faraj, thanks very much, from Dubai.

Well, the family of American Paul Johnson remains in seclusion, but a statement says it believes the Saudis did everything they could to save him. We get more now from the family's hometown in New Jersey and that's where we find our CNN's Alina Cho -- Alina.

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, in fact, a source close to the family tell CNN that family members of Paul Johnson remain in this immediate area, they are, as you mention, in seclusion and through a spokesman they're asking the media to respect their privacy in what is surely their darkest hour.

This New Jersey community here, though, is really coming out in support of the family showing its support for a native son many people here have never met. Everywhere at businesses and churches you see signs offering prayers and support for the family. There was even an impromptu prayer at a local firehouse today; it came just before a lawn mower race that was scheduled before that on any other day would have been a happy occasion. Now this community is united in grief.

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DENNIS SEELEY, NEIGHBOR: I guess we're devastated. Paul was a, maybe not a great man like Albert Einstein, he was a neighbor, a brother, not a brother, but a friend and worked hard for everything he had and I think we're trying to adjust to it. The other night when you spoke, I made a decision, I said, "Lord, he's in your hands and we don't want no vengeance, but we would like justice."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hit home, I mean, when I heard about the news myself, it was unbelievable. I didn't know to either think straight, to cry because it happened to my friend, his mom's family.

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CHO: Another friend told CNN that Johnson growing up here in the area used to drive a baby blue Mustang and was considered the cool kid in town because of that. Meanwhile, a Lockheed Martin spokesman says the company, right now, is focused entirely on the family and helping them deal with what he calls a horrific time in their lives -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And Alina, even though Paul Johnson had been in Saudi Arabia for years working there, were there a lot of people in the community who've expressed, even though they didn't see him for a long time, because he grew up there, they felt that they still had a connection with him?

CHO: Oh, certainly so. You see that everywhere with the yellow ribbons, Fredricka, with the signs, with the prayers, with the people coming out. And what is most interesting about all of this, what I have found, is that many of these people have never met Paul Johnson. They might have had a passing, maybe one instance of which they were with him or maybe they knew his sister or daughter or a niece or a nephew or something like that, but even people who didn't know him directly clearly coming out in support of Johnson today and certainly in the coming days.

WHITFIELD: Alina Cho, thanks for that report.

WHITFIELD: Well, amid fears, as Caroline Faraj reported earlier, there may be additional attacks on Westerners in Saudi Arabia. U.S. investigators are assisting Saudi authorities now. CNN justice correspondent, Kelli Arena has that story.

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KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Since Paul Johnson's kidnapping, last weekend, FBI agents have been working with Saudi officials. According to the kingdom, the FBI sent in a team of 20 specialists with expertise in hostage and rescue negotiations. That's in addition to agents already there as part of a U.S./Saudi terrorism task force.

DICK CHENEY, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: America will hunt down these killers, find them one by one and destroy them.

ARENA: The FBI is usually tight lipped about its manpower in Saudi Arabia and remains so. There is great concern about the safety of agents who could be prime target for terrorists, just like the 35,000 American's working there. Johnson is the third American killed in Saudi Arabia in just a week and a half. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will do everything we can to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to help solve these crimes.

JOHN ASHCROFT, ATTORNEY GENERAL: There are American security personnel inside Saudi Arabia who are working with their Saudi counterparts and have been for the past year, so I can imagine it's as extensive as you can find anywhere. We're working this as one team.

ARENA: The Saudis have a mixed record of working with U.S. law enforcement. U.S. officials criticized a lack of cooperation in the 1996 investigation into the Khobar Tower bombings. But since the terrorist attacks in Riyadh in May of last year, U.S. officials say they have seen an improvement. It's not enough for some. Senator Frank Lautenberg, who is from the same state as Paul Johnson, criticized the Saudis for being too lax. Saying in a statement, "the United States will no longer tolerate Saudi neglect of the extremists and terrorists who live and thrive in the kingdom."

(on camera): The killing of al-Qaeda terrorist, Abdel Aziz al- Muqrin, could help temper the criticism, still, judging from the recent spate of attacks, terrorists do seem to have easy access to the kingdom.

Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.

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WHITFIELD: Adel al-Jubeir, the foreign affairs adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, is scheduled to hold a news conference at the Saudi embassy in Washington today. CNN will be carrying that live beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern, 11:00 a.m. pacific.

And we'll have much more on the brutal murder of Paul Johnson in Saudi Arabia, including why so much worldwide attention is focused on one person.

Also, a surprise visit to Baghdad by some U.S. senators. What they had to say about the imminent handover of power to the Iraqis.

And, our chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour reports in-depth on the religious conflict inside Iraq. It threatens to escalate to an all-out religious war. You're watching CNN the most trusted name in news.

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WHITFIELD: Three U.S. senators made an unexpected visit to Iraq. Democrats Tom Dashle and Joe Biden and republican Lindsay Graham met with interim Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi. They expressed optimism about Iraq's future and praised U.S. troops serving there.

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SEN. TOM DASCHLE (D), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you for the job you've done and the way you've done it. Secondly, how proud we are of that job. How much we want to continue to support your efforts in whatever role it may be and, finally, we want to make sure you all come home as safely as possible.

SEN. LINDSAY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: It won't be easy, but I think it's possible to take out of this, dashes of this dictatorship and build a democracy. People have to sacrifice and I would call on international community to do what senator Biden said, "help where you can." If you can send troops, send troops. If you can forgive debt, forgive debt, but the Iraqi people have suffered mightily and they need all the help they can get.

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FREDRICKA: As Iraq approaches the June 30 handover of sovereignty, there are concerns about the possibility of sectarian violence. CNN chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour has a report.

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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Sermons ring out from Sunni and Shiite mosques, no longer chaffing under Saddam's iron hand, mosques are now among Iraq's power centers. Worshippers tell us they denounce recent violence between Sunnis and Shiites and they blame it on foreign forces.

(on camera): This week in Baghdad hundreds of Shiites took to the street protesting the killing of six Shiites in the Sunni stronghold of Fallujah. And it started some people worrying about the possibility of sectarian strife.

At a cafe in Baghdad Shias and Sunnis play Backgammon together, and they warn that great care must be taken to avoid civil war.

"If we can get past this crisis, things will be good between us, says this Farris, "but, if they fall into the same trap as before, war can happen."

People here are concerned about the rise of religious fervor in other parts of Iraq. In the south, militants have smashed liquor stores and tried to force women under the veil. Everyone at this cafe wants Iraq to stay secular.

"Religion is religion and politics is politics," says Abdulami Hudaffa (PH).

Since they make up the majority, Shiites believe they should emerge with the most power after next year's elections. But even here at their mosque, no one told us that they want Iraq to be an Islamic state.

Still, Christians at this church in Baghdad, are concerned. They make up only about 700,000 of Iraq's 24 million people.

MONSIGNOR SOLOMON WAROGUMI, CHALDEAN CHURCH: We are sometimes afraid, but we must trust god, because why to afraid where something is not happening.

AMANPOUR: Even so, many want to leave.

WAROGUMI: In general, we tell them to stay here to build our country because this is our country. We are here more than 2,000 hundred years ago.

AMANPOUR: Church leaders say they have established good ties with their Islamic counterparts, but they think Iraq is on a religious razor's edge between dialogue and division. But one thing now is unifying people of all faiths. The men in this Baghdad cafe tell us all they want is to see the violence and terrorism end.

Christiane Amanpour, CNN, Baghdad.

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WHITFIELD: There's more information on the war in Iraq, with the latest reports available 24/7 on the CNN Web site. That web address is CNN.com.

Hitting the road for a special Father's Day get away? Coming up, the special bond between dads and daughters for travel adventure.

And later, men and depression: Why the common problem is so often misdiagnosed and underdiagnosed.

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C.K. LEO: I believe outsourcing has to be viewed as a long-term positive for the economy, because it's one more is it step on a long continuum where our economy is looking for efficiencies. We're always searching for ways to provide goods at lower costs and more efficient manner. That is what this outsourcing thing is all about. The political problems and the controversy seems to have stemmed from those caught in the way of transition.

ROBERT D. HORMATS, VICE CHAIRMAN, GOLDMAN SACHS: Outsourcing is a mixed bag, it is very helpful for some companies because it enables them to lower costs. On the other hand, it can be very painful for a number of people who lose their jobs as a result of outsourcing.

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WHITFIELD: Well, tomorrow is father's day and if you daughters out there are thinking of doing special for dear ol' dad, why not start planning a special get away with pops? Wendy Knight is out with a new book "Far from Home: Father/Daughter Travel Adventures." And in this edition of CNN the "Weekend Getaway" Wendy is with us from New York to talk about the book and why father/daughter travel can be such a fulfilling experience.

Good to see you Wendy.

WENDY KNIGHT, AUTHOR: Thank you, Fredricka; it's nice to be on. WHITFIELD: Well thank you. Well, we know that it is very thoroughly documented mother/daughter relationships, father/son relationships in traveling, but why did you feel like venturing into the daughter/dad traveling relationships was something that was really invaluable?

KNIGHT: Well, when I was researching the previous -- my previous book "Making Connections" which was about mother/daughter travel I found plenty written about fathers and sons and less mother and daughter and even less written about father and daughter. It was a time when I was processing my grief from my father's death, so I was really interested in exploring those father/daughter relationships, particularly as they related to the natural world.

WHITFIELD: Is it that people think that is a real anomaly or something just so unusual that it really has not been documented like you have chosen to do?

KNIGHT: Yeah, I think that with a mother/daughter relationship or mother's connection with her children there is a real primal bond and I think there's an inherent distance between fathers and daughters because of those generational and gender differences and one of the surprising things I have found in sifting through the stories was that fathers today are actually relating to their daughters in ways that traditionally fathers with previous generations would do with their sons. So, in "Far from Home" you see fathers that are taking their daughters duck hunting, and fishing, and rock climbing and things like that.

WHITFIELD: Oh, that's great. And you found these stories and by really finding out about some personal experiences from a lot of documented people. What are some of the stories that really stand out with you that really do show that, you know, daughters and dads stepped out of their traditional roles to try and do something different?

KNIGHT: Well, that's one things that I liked best about "Far from Home" is there's a sense of discovery that fathers and daughters experience when they're travel together. I think that father/daughter travel really does allow people to -- fathers and daughters to step out of those traditional roles of dads and daughters and really begin to see each other through different prisms and so we start to see each other as more complex human beings instead of these caricatures that we've created or assumed. For example in Jim Manux's (ph) story it's his daughter that becomes the mentor and on a caving trip in Belize it's really her gutsy attitude that gives him the courage to repel down this 300-foot cliff.

WHITFIELD: Wow. What is it about travel that really does, sort of, either reveal something or, you know, kind of help people really discover more about themselves and with traveling together?

KNIGHT: Well, I think once you step out of those normal routines, you really, as I said a little bit ago, you begin to see each other as more complete human beings. In most of the essays in "Far from Home" there is a moment of realization about how the relationship has evolved. So, it's a discovery of how someone or something has changed. For example, in Camilla Cusamono's (ph) story of "Gods and Fathers," she returns to Sicily with her elderly father, and Sicily is his homeland, and there's a pivotal moment when they're in this small village driving where she realizes that she's now become an adult in his eyes and is no longer the "withering adolescent," to use her words.

WHITFIELD: Wow. So, it's not the destination, it's the journey, as always.

KNIGHT: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: Well, Wendy Knight, thanks very much. And for those of you trying to --you know think of some plans to get together, daughters and dads, at least the book is some inspiration to give you some ideas, it's called "Far from Home." Pick it up and maybe give it to dad for Father's Day tomorrow and then you can plan ahead for that journey you might want to take.

Wendy, thanks very much.

KNIGHT: Thank you, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Well, shock and outrage over the gruesome murder of Paul Johnson. Coming up, what President Bush says about his kidnappers.

And, our Jeff Greenfield looks at the worldwide reaction and why the kidnap and murder of one man impacted so many.

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WHITFIELD: Here are the top stories at this hour. One day after the discovery of the beheaded body of American, Paul Johnson, the U.S. State Department is out with a new warning for U.S. citizens in the Persian Gulf region. It says attacks against U.S. interests in the region are likely to continue, including attacks outside Saudi Arabia.

It's another violent weekend in Iraq. At least 18 Iraqis were killed earlier today in what witnesses and survivors say was a U.S. airstrike. After the attack the U.S.-led coalition announced it had struck a so-called safe house linked to a wanted insurgent.

The attacks by insurgents on Iraq's oil facilities are taking a heavy toll on the country's economy. Iraq's prime minister says so far his country has lost a staggering $1 billion. He calls the attacks a crime against Iraq and its people.

Up first this half hour, Saudi Arabian security forces tell CNN the man leading the group responsible for beheading American engineer, Paul Johnson is dead. Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, a self-proclaimed al- Qaeda leader, reportedly died in a gun battle with security forces in Riyadh. Sources say his second in command is in custody along with at least nine other suspects.

The U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia warns that country is a dangerous place for Americans. CNN White House Correspondent Suzanne Malveaux has more reaction from the White House in Washington -- Suzanne.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon, Fredricka.

U.S. and Saudi officials are being very cautious in the language they use and also very diplomatic. Saudi Arabia's interior ministry announced earlier today that they had killed the country's top Al Qaeda, as well as three other members they all believe were responsible in the beheading of Paul Johnson and that they also made arrest of at least a dozen terror suspects.

All of this, of course, part of that country's effort to campaign and go after the terrorists and crack down on Al Qaeda. And while the U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia today expressed the Bush administration's gratitude for the swift action. He also said, as well, for the 35,000 Americans living in that country, again, he issued a very stern warning for them to get out.

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AMB. JAMES C. OBERWETTER, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO SAUDI ARABIA: Not everyone who is a threat has been removed from the list and there may be many more. That is why the warnings that we have given to Americans, strongly urging them to leave, will remain in effect for the foreseeable future.

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MALVEAUX: And Fred, we expect to hear from Saudi officials at the embassy here in Washington in about 90 minutes at 2:00 or so. Adel Al Jabier, is going to be giving a press conference. He is going to be giving updates. And, of course, talking about Saudi official's efforts to crack down on Al Qaeda in that country, in that region, as well.

U.S. and Saudi officials have said within the last 24 hours they are working very closely to cooperate, but as you know, the U.S. is not backing down in it warning. They believe Americans should leave the region -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: Suzanne, that brings me to the question of the real conflicting messages that seem to be coming out of the administration. On one hand, the Bush administration is saying Americans leave. And on the other, even Powell, himself, most recently said Americans who are there should stay in part because it would be appeasing the terrorists.

MALVEAUX: That's the same thing that a Saudi spokesman said yesterday. He thought perhaps with the playing into the hands of terrorists because, essentially, that is exactly what they want to happen. They want Americans to leave the region. They want them to leave the Kingdom, as well.

It really is a catch 22 situation in here, Fred. One thing that both U.S. and Saudi officials agree on, they have to go after Al Qaeda in a very strong manner. This is something they have been trying to improve their cooperation, improve their relations. They believe they're well on their way but that enough is not being done.

WHITFIELD: Suzanne Malveaux from the White House, thanks very much.

Paul Johnson is the third American civilian to be killed by terrorists in Saudi Arabia in less than two weeks. While further north, in Iraq, more than 800 American men and women have died in the last year and a half. But the public knows few of their names and faces. CNN's Senior Analyst Jeff Greenfield has some thoughts on why attention is focused on one victim over another.

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JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SENIOR ANALYST (voice over): The United States has lost 838 men and women in Iraq, 89 more in Afghanistan. Except for their friends and families, their names and faces are mostly unknown to us.

The death of Paul Johnson is different for precisely this reason, because we have seen his face, heard his voice, watched him in the grip of his captors. Ad because we have seen and heard his family ask, even beg, for his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, let him come home and be a grandfather.

GREENFIELD: It is one of the unplanned, accidental, yet inevitable consequences of the mass media age. The sense of intimacy creates a massive imbalance of concern, sympathy, grief. We saw this nearly a quarter century ago when the fate of 52 American hostages became the focal point of U.S. foreign policy for a year.

We saw this in the Balkans in 1995 when the country held its collective breath until it learned that a single downed American pilot, Scott O'Grady (ph) was safe. Something unimaginable in earlier wars when several pilots might be lost on a single mission.

We saw this in Iraq when the rescue of a single American soldier, a young female soldier, became the stuff of legend, of myth.

(on camera): If Paul Johnson had been killed with other soldiers in a firefight or died with a dozen other innocents in a bombing, he would not be the dominant face of the day. But because we saw and heard him, and saw and heard his family, we feel the remorseful cruelty of what happened to him as if we were connected to him personally, which because of this medium, we are.

Jeff Greenfield, CNN, New York.

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WHITFIELD: In about 90 minutes from now Abdel Al Jabier, the foreign affairs advisor to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, will hold a press conference out of the Saudi embassy. That is at 2:00 Eastern Time. CNN will carry that live for you.

Well, now a look at some of the stories making news this weekend across America. Doctors at the National Naval Medical Center, in Bethesda, Maryland, are hoping to successfully separate conjoined twins today. The three-and-a-half-month-old girls are linked at the abdomen.

Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has signed a workplace smoking ban starting July 5th. It includes restaurants and bars, but excludes some private clubs and it allows some exemptions for nursing homes.

The U.S. Open continues in Southampton, New York. This year's Masters winner, Phil Mickelson, had a 4 under 66 in yesterday's round to share the lead with Japan's Shigeki Maruyama (ph).

The final payments are made this week to families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 terror attacks. Coming up, the man in charge of deciding how much each family received talks about the process and why some people refuse to accept payment.

Also, men and their health. Why depression is so prevalent -- and so rarely diagnosed.

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WHITFIELD: Almost 7 million American men suffer from depression, young or old, men seek help only half as often as women, yet they are eight times more likely to commit suicide.

Therapists say men respond differently to the symptoms of depression and are more reluctant to get help that they need. Joining from San Antonio is Doctor Bill Lloyd, a surgeon and clinical professor at the University of Texas Health Science Center.

It is good to see you Dr. Lloyd.

BILL LLOYD, CLINICAL PROFESSOR, UNIV. OF TEXAS HEALTH SCIENCE CTR.: Good to be here, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: So, often part of the problem is a lot of men may not either, A, reach out for help because they may be in denial that they may be in depression. And then it is really kind of associated mostly with women, isn't it?

LLOYD: We think of depression with women, but a lot of men have the problem and don't get help. Here's some of the reasons.

The first is we're living in a positive, success-driven culture. And men want to fit in. The next comes gender. Again, we mention how we think of women with depression, but men can have the problem, too. They just don't want to get help because, you know, men don't want to be open about their feelings. That is a misconception. Men need help.

Also some men fear medical therapy, that there could be unwanted side effects, doctors can adjust dosages, or try alternative medications to help them with their problems. Never underestimate the power of denial. Finally, there can be a cloud of substances like alcohol or illegal drugs that could mask the symptoms or a person's willingness to get help with their depression.

WHITFIELD: In cases like that, drug therapy is not the answer, but maybe some talk therapy. Let's talk about at the root of depression in men in general.

LLOYD: Here is one area where there is a big difference between men and women. Men develop depression when they have lost relationships. Such as a separation or divorce, or loss of a family member.

You know in the past decade there have been enormous economic pressures so any change to a career, being shoved out, forced to retire, or simply fired could lead to depression in men. Health issues are a big problem with men and when the health problem is affiliated with advancing age, like a prostate problem or a cataract, this can lead to depression, as well.

Once again, the issue of alcoholism. There is controversy. Does alcoholism cause the depression or just depress people drink too much? The truth is, if you're depressed, you're more than likely drinking more than you should.

WHITFIELD: What are the warning sign besides drinking too much, perhaps. What are some of the other warning signs that a person depressed could look out for or maybe even loved ones around that person?

LLOYD: Everyone knows someone who is depressed and they can take action. You look for changes in that person's life, and changes in their mood, changes in their sleeping habits. They could be sleeping too much and claiming to be tired, or it not sleeping enough, putting in 20 hours days. People complaining of chronic low energy, the loss of momentum and not being able to move forward.

Or problems with their work habits. Skipping work or not performing well at work all the way to putting in those 20-hour days at work. Either of those could be a sign of depression. Loss of interest in hobbies, recreational activities, or sex could be a signal that there are problems with depression or complaining too much about physical symptoms, when they didn't complain in the past.

WHITFIELD: Now that you notice the signs what can be recommended on -- what's the next step? What do you do?

LLOYD: Remember there is enormous help can be done for these 7 million depressed men in America. And as I mentioned, everyone knows someone who probably could use help. You don't need to hide. Dialogue like we're having today, public education, is an important way to alert people to the problems of depression.

Health professionals could do a better job. Nurses and doctors can ask the patients, point blank, say could you possibly be depressed? Individual awareness of family members and even people who may think to themselves, hey, some of this stuff sounds familiar, maybe I'm depressed.

Once again, no reason to pussyfoot, if you think someone is having a problem, you can ask them, point blank, could you be depressed? You may be surprised at the answer you get.

WHITFIELD: Wow, so hard to talk about, but, like you said, you have to take the first step and make folks talk about it. Dr. Bill Lloyd, thanks very much for joining us from San Antonio. Good to see you.

LLOYD: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Well, the final payments for victims of the September 11th attacks were handed out this week, but not without controversy. We have the story of one group feeling left out.

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WHITFIELD: The September 11 Victim Compensation Fund has helped hundreds of family rebuild their lives, now that its work is over, the controversy remains. The fund has awarded more than 5,500 death and injury claims stemming from the terror attack. However, some firefighters and others whose late claims were rejected are lodging complaints. Kenneth Feinberg oversees the 9/11 Victims Fund, he joins us live from Washington to talk more about this strife and the success of the fund.

And Mr. Feinberg, the majority, it seems, of victims injured, or families of those who were killed, did file for compensation funds, correct?

KENNETH FEINBERG, 9/11 VICTIM'S FUND: That's correct. We received about 98 percent of all eligible families who lost a loved one filed, as well as over 4,000 physical injury claims arising out of the 9/11 terrorists attacks.

WHITFIELD: So what do you know about that, roughly then 2 percent, who did not benefit from claiming. Do they make up some of these firefighters, you know, family members who missed the deadline, whose applications were rejected, et cetera. Or were these mostly people who just thought that perhaps they could file lawsuits later and fare better than taking advantage of this fund?

FEINBERG: Well, 70 families decided to litigate. And 70 specifically rejected the fund and, as they could under the statute, they decided to sue the airlines, the World Trade Center, et cetera. Then there are about 30 or 40 families that did nothing. They didn't sue, they didn't file with the fund --

WHITFIELD: Why is that?

FEINBERG: I think it's grief. I met with most of those families. I begged them, literally, to take advantage of this very, very generous program.

WHITFIELD: So, is there still a possibility for them then, if perhaps there's an opportunity for them to come around, perhaps they still would later be able to take advantage of the fund?

FEINBERG: No. The statute makes clear. It's not my regulations, it is the statute that says anybody who didn't file by December 22nd of 2003, I have no power to make them eligible, it would take an act of Congress to make them eligible.

WHITFIELD: Varying settlements, from $250,000 up to $7 million for death claims, specifically. How did you come up with the amount of the settlements?

FEINBERG: The statute laid out the criteria and that I had to establish, the methodology that I had to use. Then we looked at each individual application. How old was the victim? How much money did he or she earn? How many children or minor dependents were left behind? We developed a formula that I think, at the end of the day, was extremely fair, very generous, and very consistent. Just what Congress asked us to do.

WHITFIELD: Before you came to that conclusion, however, was it very difficult? Did you find that you, as well as other members of the commission were rather emotionally torn about how you come up with the settlement amounts for injuries or death?

FEINBERG: Very difficult. There was no commission, it's just me. I must say, the emotion, the tragedy, the frustration -- understandable -- of these families, made the task extremely difficult. But, the statistics demonstrate, I think, that over the two and a half years that we implemented the congressional program just about 98 percent decided that it was in their best interest, I think so, to come into the fund.

WHITFIELD: So all of those who did receive the settlements have also, in turn, agreed that they would not try to pursue any lawsuit against the city or the airlines or anyone involved in the 9/11 tragedies whatsoever, correct?

FEINBERG: Correct. Except they can always sue bin Laden, some are suing the Saudi government, some are suing the government of the Sudan for causing 9/11. That's a separate lawsuit, that they can do. You're right, no one who elected to come into the fund can litigate against the airlines, the World Trade Center, mass port, et cetera.

WHITFIELD: Kenneth Feinberg, tough job to take on all by your lonesome. Thank you for joining us.

FEINBERG: Thank you very much.

WHITFIELD: Stay quit and you'll be OK. These were the words that passengers on American Airlines flight 11 heard from one of their hijackers, believed to be Mohamed Atta. This week millions of people had a chance to hear these words live on television.

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JOHN AZZANELLO, COMMISSION COUNSEL: Controllers immediately began to move aircraft out of its path and searched from aircraft to aircraft, in an effort to have another pilot contact American 11. At 8:24 and 38 seconds, the following transmission came from American 11.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be OK. We are returning to the airport.

AZZANELLO: The controller only heard something unintelligible. He did not hear the specific words, quote, "we have some planes," end quote. The next transmission came seconds later.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.

AZZANELLO: Hearing that transmission, the controller told us he then knew it was a hijacking.

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WHITFIELD: Audiotapes from the hijacked planes were first publicly played this week on Capitol Hill as part of the hearings of the commission that investigated September 11th attacks. The final report contains chilling conclusions blaming the U.S. military and the FAA for being unprepared, quote, "in every respect to stop the hijackings".

Many family members of September 11 victims were present at the hearings.

And in case you missed this unprecedented moment in television during the week, we'll bring it to you again today. Highlights from the final report of September 11th commission today at 2:30 Eastern on CNN.

WHITFIELD: Well, some of the biggest stars in show biz bid farewell to the music legend known as "The Genius.

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WILLIE NELSON, SINGING: Georgia, Georgia the whole day through just an old sweet song keeps Georgia on my mind.

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WHITFIELD: The funeral tributes for Ray Charles.

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WHITFIELD: Ray Charles took one last curtain call yesterday, more than 1,500 people attended a funeral service in Los Angeles for the legendary musician, who died June 10th at the age of 73. CNN's Bruce Burkhart looks at why Ray Charles is so fondly remembered.

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RAY CHARLES, SINGING: I've been so many places in my life and time.

BRUCE BURKHART, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): How do you say good-bye to the likes of Ray Charles?

Thousands have tried in their own way over the last several days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Music is such a media that everybody understands. He was such a great teacher.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His contribution has been made and will continue to be made by all those who have followed him. Great legend.

BURKHART: At his funeral the big names weighed in, all trying to do the impossible. Describe the impact of Ray Charles.

CICELY TYSON, ACTRESS: There isn't another, there will never be another. Through his darkness, he enlightened and brightened our lives.

BURKHART: By now we all know the rags to riches story, overcoming dirt eating poverty and blindness and drug addiction to become not just wealthy, but rich in spirit and optimism and good will. Something he shared with all of us, at least when we were listening to his music.

Something in the way he moved and sang and played. It was a mark of his genius that he could be wrapped up in one or two musical blankets. He was the only artist to have a top 10 "Billboard" hit in five different musical genres. Everyone claimed him, blues, country, jazz, R&B, and soul. But it was his soul that bled out no matter what song he happened to be playing.

RAY CHARLES, LATE SINGING LEGEND: I think that's the great thing about what I do in my music. You can bend, you can change, as long as you stay within the context of the song itself, so you don't lose the public. You can always do it 50,000 different ways, too.

BURKHART: Few entertainers have been able to break down all the usual barriers that divide us, race, generations, economic class, politics. Ray Charles transcended all of that, especially with his goose bump raising rendition of "America The Beautiful."

CHARLES, SINGING: I'm talking about this America, America.

BURKHART: What he did for America also did for Georgia. "Georgia on My Bind" was named the state song of Georgia in 1979.

CHARLES, SINGING: Oh, Georgia ...oh, Georgia.

CLINT EASTWOOD, ACTOR/DIRECTOR: He taught us all about the blues. People who didn't understand the blues, he taught us about country music and he taught us -- re-instilled our interest in patriotic songs and -- anything he touched was just brilliant.

BURKHART: So many friends, so many fans all trying to sum him up. It's like trying to describe the colors of the rainbow to a blind person.

He once was blind, but now he can see. (END VIDEOTAPE)

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: It is noon in New Jersey, 7:00 p.m. in Saudi Arabia. Welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield at CNN's global headquarters. Ahead this hour, murder and retribution. Saudi forces track and kill the leader of the terrorist group claiming responsibility for beheading American, Paul Johnson. The latest on other terrorist suspects captured in the raid.
Also, U.S. investigators inside Saudi Arabia, the FBI's role in tracking the terror suspects.

And later, a look at why the murder of one man has captured such enormous international attention. But, first, here are the headlines at this hour.

A group of U.S. senators is in Iraq on an unannounced mission, meeting with top Iraqi officials. Minority leader Tom Daschle and Senators Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham met with the interim Iraqi prime minister. They praised the plane to restore democracy.

Iraqis say 17 civilians were killed in a coalition-led airstrike in the city of Fallujah. Two houses were destroyed. The coalition says the targets are linked to insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Meantime, two U.S. soldiers have been killed as coalition soldiers battle insurgents for a fourth day north of Baghdad and in the south a roadside bomb killed two people in the city of Basra.

We begin in Saudi Arabia where officials are confirming the death of a man who called himself al-Qaeda's leader in Saudi Arabia. Security sources say he was killed in a shootout with police after the beheading of American, Paul Johnson. We get the latest information live by phone from CNN's Caroline Faraj in Dubai in the neighboring United Arab Emirates.

And Caroline, already there are at least ten in custody, as well?

CAROLINE FARAJ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the number that we've got from the Saudi officials it's 12 were arrested four were killed in the attack that took place yesterday and took several hours during midnight in Riyadh. They confirmed four people were killed and on the top of the list is, of course, Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, according to the officials which, actually, they showed his picture and several pictures, as well, on the state-owned television to prove he was killed. Especially after a statement was issued on several Islamic sites denying the killing of their leader who is supposedly the link between al-Qaeda and the militants in Saudi Arabia. But, of course, the Saudis showed the picture to show the end to these pictures -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And Caroline, the killing of the al-Qaeda leader and the capture of the other suspects, was it believed that there was some cooperation by witnesses and that's how investigators, they were able to pinpoint or target these suspects?

FARAJ: According to the official statement that was issued today, just a few hours ago, on the state-owned news agency, they said they got a tip and information that some people, four of them, were at a gas station in the midst of Riyadh in an area called (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and, accordingly, they immediately, the sealed off the whole area and then started to exchange fire between them and the militants. The Saudi officials -- Saudi -- I mean, forces and the militants. This is exactly what was mentioned in the statement -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And now, is there caution or even expectations there may be retaliation for al-Muqrin's assassination.

FARAJ: Definitely, the whole security police in Saudi Arabia, they're on high alert, as well as all the compounds where the dispatchers (PH) actually are living in, they are all trying to be very careful, especially after this statement that was issued by the U.S. embassy and the State Department and other diplomats, as well, were telling their people to watch it very carefully. Arresting or killing the sell of al-Muqrin does not mean it is the end of the story, there are some expectations that maybe somebody else would be carrying the flag after him or other cells will come up on the surface. So, all options are open -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Caroline Faraj, thanks very much, from Dubai.

Well, the family of American Paul Johnson remains in seclusion, but a statement says it believes the Saudis did everything they could to save him. We get more now from the family's hometown in New Jersey and that's where we find our CNN's Alina Cho -- Alina.

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, in fact, a source close to the family tell CNN that family members of Paul Johnson remain in this immediate area, they are, as you mention, in seclusion and through a spokesman they're asking the media to respect their privacy in what is surely their darkest hour.

This New Jersey community here, though, is really coming out in support of the family showing its support for a native son many people here have never met. Everywhere at businesses and churches you see signs offering prayers and support for the family. There was even an impromptu prayer at a local firehouse today; it came just before a lawn mower race that was scheduled before that on any other day would have been a happy occasion. Now this community is united in grief.

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DENNIS SEELEY, NEIGHBOR: I guess we're devastated. Paul was a, maybe not a great man like Albert Einstein, he was a neighbor, a brother, not a brother, but a friend and worked hard for everything he had and I think we're trying to adjust to it. The other night when you spoke, I made a decision, I said, "Lord, he's in your hands and we don't want no vengeance, but we would like justice."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hit home, I mean, when I heard about the news myself, it was unbelievable. I didn't know to either think straight, to cry because it happened to my friend, his mom's family.

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CHO: Another friend told CNN that Johnson growing up here in the area used to drive a baby blue Mustang and was considered the cool kid in town because of that. Meanwhile, a Lockheed Martin spokesman says the company, right now, is focused entirely on the family and helping them deal with what he calls a horrific time in their lives -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And Alina, even though Paul Johnson had been in Saudi Arabia for years working there, were there a lot of people in the community who've expressed, even though they didn't see him for a long time, because he grew up there, they felt that they still had a connection with him?

CHO: Oh, certainly so. You see that everywhere with the yellow ribbons, Fredricka, with the signs, with the prayers, with the people coming out. And what is most interesting about all of this, what I have found, is that many of these people have never met Paul Johnson. They might have had a passing, maybe one instance of which they were with him or maybe they knew his sister or daughter or a niece or a nephew or something like that, but even people who didn't know him directly clearly coming out in support of Johnson today and certainly in the coming days.

WHITFIELD: Alina Cho, thanks for that report.

WHITFIELD: Well, amid fears, as Caroline Faraj reported earlier, there may be additional attacks on Westerners in Saudi Arabia. U.S. investigators are assisting Saudi authorities now. CNN justice correspondent, Kelli Arena has that story.

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KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Since Paul Johnson's kidnapping, last weekend, FBI agents have been working with Saudi officials. According to the kingdom, the FBI sent in a team of 20 specialists with expertise in hostage and rescue negotiations. That's in addition to agents already there as part of a U.S./Saudi terrorism task force.

DICK CHENEY, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: America will hunt down these killers, find them one by one and destroy them.

ARENA: The FBI is usually tight lipped about its manpower in Saudi Arabia and remains so. There is great concern about the safety of agents who could be prime target for terrorists, just like the 35,000 American's working there. Johnson is the third American killed in Saudi Arabia in just a week and a half. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will do everything we can to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to help solve these crimes.

JOHN ASHCROFT, ATTORNEY GENERAL: There are American security personnel inside Saudi Arabia who are working with their Saudi counterparts and have been for the past year, so I can imagine it's as extensive as you can find anywhere. We're working this as one team.

ARENA: The Saudis have a mixed record of working with U.S. law enforcement. U.S. officials criticized a lack of cooperation in the 1996 investigation into the Khobar Tower bombings. But since the terrorist attacks in Riyadh in May of last year, U.S. officials say they have seen an improvement. It's not enough for some. Senator Frank Lautenberg, who is from the same state as Paul Johnson, criticized the Saudis for being too lax. Saying in a statement, "the United States will no longer tolerate Saudi neglect of the extremists and terrorists who live and thrive in the kingdom."

(on camera): The killing of al-Qaeda terrorist, Abdel Aziz al- Muqrin, could help temper the criticism, still, judging from the recent spate of attacks, terrorists do seem to have easy access to the kingdom.

Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.

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WHITFIELD: Adel al-Jubeir, the foreign affairs adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, is scheduled to hold a news conference at the Saudi embassy in Washington today. CNN will be carrying that live beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern, 11:00 a.m. pacific.

And we'll have much more on the brutal murder of Paul Johnson in Saudi Arabia, including why so much worldwide attention is focused on one person.

Also, a surprise visit to Baghdad by some U.S. senators. What they had to say about the imminent handover of power to the Iraqis.

And, our chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour reports in-depth on the religious conflict inside Iraq. It threatens to escalate to an all-out religious war. You're watching CNN the most trusted name in news.

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WHITFIELD: Three U.S. senators made an unexpected visit to Iraq. Democrats Tom Dashle and Joe Biden and republican Lindsay Graham met with interim Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi. They expressed optimism about Iraq's future and praised U.S. troops serving there.

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SEN. TOM DASCHLE (D), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you for the job you've done and the way you've done it. Secondly, how proud we are of that job. How much we want to continue to support your efforts in whatever role it may be and, finally, we want to make sure you all come home as safely as possible.

SEN. LINDSAY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: It won't be easy, but I think it's possible to take out of this, dashes of this dictatorship and build a democracy. People have to sacrifice and I would call on international community to do what senator Biden said, "help where you can." If you can send troops, send troops. If you can forgive debt, forgive debt, but the Iraqi people have suffered mightily and they need all the help they can get.

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FREDRICKA: As Iraq approaches the June 30 handover of sovereignty, there are concerns about the possibility of sectarian violence. CNN chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour has a report.

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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Sermons ring out from Sunni and Shiite mosques, no longer chaffing under Saddam's iron hand, mosques are now among Iraq's power centers. Worshippers tell us they denounce recent violence between Sunnis and Shiites and they blame it on foreign forces.

(on camera): This week in Baghdad hundreds of Shiites took to the street protesting the killing of six Shiites in the Sunni stronghold of Fallujah. And it started some people worrying about the possibility of sectarian strife.

At a cafe in Baghdad Shias and Sunnis play Backgammon together, and they warn that great care must be taken to avoid civil war.

"If we can get past this crisis, things will be good between us, says this Farris, "but, if they fall into the same trap as before, war can happen."

People here are concerned about the rise of religious fervor in other parts of Iraq. In the south, militants have smashed liquor stores and tried to force women under the veil. Everyone at this cafe wants Iraq to stay secular.

"Religion is religion and politics is politics," says Abdulami Hudaffa (PH).

Since they make up the majority, Shiites believe they should emerge with the most power after next year's elections. But even here at their mosque, no one told us that they want Iraq to be an Islamic state.

Still, Christians at this church in Baghdad, are concerned. They make up only about 700,000 of Iraq's 24 million people.

MONSIGNOR SOLOMON WAROGUMI, CHALDEAN CHURCH: We are sometimes afraid, but we must trust god, because why to afraid where something is not happening.

AMANPOUR: Even so, many want to leave.

WAROGUMI: In general, we tell them to stay here to build our country because this is our country. We are here more than 2,000 hundred years ago.

AMANPOUR: Church leaders say they have established good ties with their Islamic counterparts, but they think Iraq is on a religious razor's edge between dialogue and division. But one thing now is unifying people of all faiths. The men in this Baghdad cafe tell us all they want is to see the violence and terrorism end.

Christiane Amanpour, CNN, Baghdad.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: There's more information on the war in Iraq, with the latest reports available 24/7 on the CNN Web site. That web address is CNN.com.

Hitting the road for a special Father's Day get away? Coming up, the special bond between dads and daughters for travel adventure.

And later, men and depression: Why the common problem is so often misdiagnosed and underdiagnosed.

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C.K. LEO: I believe outsourcing has to be viewed as a long-term positive for the economy, because it's one more is it step on a long continuum where our economy is looking for efficiencies. We're always searching for ways to provide goods at lower costs and more efficient manner. That is what this outsourcing thing is all about. The political problems and the controversy seems to have stemmed from those caught in the way of transition.

ROBERT D. HORMATS, VICE CHAIRMAN, GOLDMAN SACHS: Outsourcing is a mixed bag, it is very helpful for some companies because it enables them to lower costs. On the other hand, it can be very painful for a number of people who lose their jobs as a result of outsourcing.

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WHITFIELD: Well, tomorrow is father's day and if you daughters out there are thinking of doing special for dear ol' dad, why not start planning a special get away with pops? Wendy Knight is out with a new book "Far from Home: Father/Daughter Travel Adventures." And in this edition of CNN the "Weekend Getaway" Wendy is with us from New York to talk about the book and why father/daughter travel can be such a fulfilling experience.

Good to see you Wendy.

WENDY KNIGHT, AUTHOR: Thank you, Fredricka; it's nice to be on. WHITFIELD: Well thank you. Well, we know that it is very thoroughly documented mother/daughter relationships, father/son relationships in traveling, but why did you feel like venturing into the daughter/dad traveling relationships was something that was really invaluable?

KNIGHT: Well, when I was researching the previous -- my previous book "Making Connections" which was about mother/daughter travel I found plenty written about fathers and sons and less mother and daughter and even less written about father and daughter. It was a time when I was processing my grief from my father's death, so I was really interested in exploring those father/daughter relationships, particularly as they related to the natural world.

WHITFIELD: Is it that people think that is a real anomaly or something just so unusual that it really has not been documented like you have chosen to do?

KNIGHT: Yeah, I think that with a mother/daughter relationship or mother's connection with her children there is a real primal bond and I think there's an inherent distance between fathers and daughters because of those generational and gender differences and one of the surprising things I have found in sifting through the stories was that fathers today are actually relating to their daughters in ways that traditionally fathers with previous generations would do with their sons. So, in "Far from Home" you see fathers that are taking their daughters duck hunting, and fishing, and rock climbing and things like that.

WHITFIELD: Oh, that's great. And you found these stories and by really finding out about some personal experiences from a lot of documented people. What are some of the stories that really stand out with you that really do show that, you know, daughters and dads stepped out of their traditional roles to try and do something different?

KNIGHT: Well, that's one things that I liked best about "Far from Home" is there's a sense of discovery that fathers and daughters experience when they're travel together. I think that father/daughter travel really does allow people to -- fathers and daughters to step out of those traditional roles of dads and daughters and really begin to see each other through different prisms and so we start to see each other as more complex human beings instead of these caricatures that we've created or assumed. For example in Jim Manux's (ph) story it's his daughter that becomes the mentor and on a caving trip in Belize it's really her gutsy attitude that gives him the courage to repel down this 300-foot cliff.

WHITFIELD: Wow. What is it about travel that really does, sort of, either reveal something or, you know, kind of help people really discover more about themselves and with traveling together?

KNIGHT: Well, I think once you step out of those normal routines, you really, as I said a little bit ago, you begin to see each other as more complete human beings. In most of the essays in "Far from Home" there is a moment of realization about how the relationship has evolved. So, it's a discovery of how someone or something has changed. For example, in Camilla Cusamono's (ph) story of "Gods and Fathers," she returns to Sicily with her elderly father, and Sicily is his homeland, and there's a pivotal moment when they're in this small village driving where she realizes that she's now become an adult in his eyes and is no longer the "withering adolescent," to use her words.

WHITFIELD: Wow. So, it's not the destination, it's the journey, as always.

KNIGHT: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: Well, Wendy Knight, thanks very much. And for those of you trying to --you know think of some plans to get together, daughters and dads, at least the book is some inspiration to give you some ideas, it's called "Far from Home." Pick it up and maybe give it to dad for Father's Day tomorrow and then you can plan ahead for that journey you might want to take.

Wendy, thanks very much.

KNIGHT: Thank you, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Well, shock and outrage over the gruesome murder of Paul Johnson. Coming up, what President Bush says about his kidnappers.

And, our Jeff Greenfield looks at the worldwide reaction and why the kidnap and murder of one man impacted so many.

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WHITFIELD: Here are the top stories at this hour. One day after the discovery of the beheaded body of American, Paul Johnson, the U.S. State Department is out with a new warning for U.S. citizens in the Persian Gulf region. It says attacks against U.S. interests in the region are likely to continue, including attacks outside Saudi Arabia.

It's another violent weekend in Iraq. At least 18 Iraqis were killed earlier today in what witnesses and survivors say was a U.S. airstrike. After the attack the U.S.-led coalition announced it had struck a so-called safe house linked to a wanted insurgent.

The attacks by insurgents on Iraq's oil facilities are taking a heavy toll on the country's economy. Iraq's prime minister says so far his country has lost a staggering $1 billion. He calls the attacks a crime against Iraq and its people.

Up first this half hour, Saudi Arabian security forces tell CNN the man leading the group responsible for beheading American engineer, Paul Johnson is dead. Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, a self-proclaimed al- Qaeda leader, reportedly died in a gun battle with security forces in Riyadh. Sources say his second in command is in custody along with at least nine other suspects.

The U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia warns that country is a dangerous place for Americans. CNN White House Correspondent Suzanne Malveaux has more reaction from the White House in Washington -- Suzanne.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon, Fredricka.

U.S. and Saudi officials are being very cautious in the language they use and also very diplomatic. Saudi Arabia's interior ministry announced earlier today that they had killed the country's top Al Qaeda, as well as three other members they all believe were responsible in the beheading of Paul Johnson and that they also made arrest of at least a dozen terror suspects.

All of this, of course, part of that country's effort to campaign and go after the terrorists and crack down on Al Qaeda. And while the U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia today expressed the Bush administration's gratitude for the swift action. He also said, as well, for the 35,000 Americans living in that country, again, he issued a very stern warning for them to get out.

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AMB. JAMES C. OBERWETTER, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO SAUDI ARABIA: Not everyone who is a threat has been removed from the list and there may be many more. That is why the warnings that we have given to Americans, strongly urging them to leave, will remain in effect for the foreseeable future.

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MALVEAUX: And Fred, we expect to hear from Saudi officials at the embassy here in Washington in about 90 minutes at 2:00 or so. Adel Al Jabier, is going to be giving a press conference. He is going to be giving updates. And, of course, talking about Saudi official's efforts to crack down on Al Qaeda in that country, in that region, as well.

U.S. and Saudi officials have said within the last 24 hours they are working very closely to cooperate, but as you know, the U.S. is not backing down in it warning. They believe Americans should leave the region -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: Suzanne, that brings me to the question of the real conflicting messages that seem to be coming out of the administration. On one hand, the Bush administration is saying Americans leave. And on the other, even Powell, himself, most recently said Americans who are there should stay in part because it would be appeasing the terrorists.

MALVEAUX: That's the same thing that a Saudi spokesman said yesterday. He thought perhaps with the playing into the hands of terrorists because, essentially, that is exactly what they want to happen. They want Americans to leave the region. They want them to leave the Kingdom, as well.

It really is a catch 22 situation in here, Fred. One thing that both U.S. and Saudi officials agree on, they have to go after Al Qaeda in a very strong manner. This is something they have been trying to improve their cooperation, improve their relations. They believe they're well on their way but that enough is not being done.

WHITFIELD: Suzanne Malveaux from the White House, thanks very much.

Paul Johnson is the third American civilian to be killed by terrorists in Saudi Arabia in less than two weeks. While further north, in Iraq, more than 800 American men and women have died in the last year and a half. But the public knows few of their names and faces. CNN's Senior Analyst Jeff Greenfield has some thoughts on why attention is focused on one victim over another.

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JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SENIOR ANALYST (voice over): The United States has lost 838 men and women in Iraq, 89 more in Afghanistan. Except for their friends and families, their names and faces are mostly unknown to us.

The death of Paul Johnson is different for precisely this reason, because we have seen his face, heard his voice, watched him in the grip of his captors. Ad because we have seen and heard his family ask, even beg, for his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, let him come home and be a grandfather.

GREENFIELD: It is one of the unplanned, accidental, yet inevitable consequences of the mass media age. The sense of intimacy creates a massive imbalance of concern, sympathy, grief. We saw this nearly a quarter century ago when the fate of 52 American hostages became the focal point of U.S. foreign policy for a year.

We saw this in the Balkans in 1995 when the country held its collective breath until it learned that a single downed American pilot, Scott O'Grady (ph) was safe. Something unimaginable in earlier wars when several pilots might be lost on a single mission.

We saw this in Iraq when the rescue of a single American soldier, a young female soldier, became the stuff of legend, of myth.

(on camera): If Paul Johnson had been killed with other soldiers in a firefight or died with a dozen other innocents in a bombing, he would not be the dominant face of the day. But because we saw and heard him, and saw and heard his family, we feel the remorseful cruelty of what happened to him as if we were connected to him personally, which because of this medium, we are.

Jeff Greenfield, CNN, New York.

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WHITFIELD: In about 90 minutes from now Abdel Al Jabier, the foreign affairs advisor to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, will hold a press conference out of the Saudi embassy. That is at 2:00 Eastern Time. CNN will carry that live for you.

Well, now a look at some of the stories making news this weekend across America. Doctors at the National Naval Medical Center, in Bethesda, Maryland, are hoping to successfully separate conjoined twins today. The three-and-a-half-month-old girls are linked at the abdomen.

Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has signed a workplace smoking ban starting July 5th. It includes restaurants and bars, but excludes some private clubs and it allows some exemptions for nursing homes.

The U.S. Open continues in Southampton, New York. This year's Masters winner, Phil Mickelson, had a 4 under 66 in yesterday's round to share the lead with Japan's Shigeki Maruyama (ph).

The final payments are made this week to families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 terror attacks. Coming up, the man in charge of deciding how much each family received talks about the process and why some people refuse to accept payment.

Also, men and their health. Why depression is so prevalent -- and so rarely diagnosed.

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WHITFIELD: Almost 7 million American men suffer from depression, young or old, men seek help only half as often as women, yet they are eight times more likely to commit suicide.

Therapists say men respond differently to the symptoms of depression and are more reluctant to get help that they need. Joining from San Antonio is Doctor Bill Lloyd, a surgeon and clinical professor at the University of Texas Health Science Center.

It is good to see you Dr. Lloyd.

BILL LLOYD, CLINICAL PROFESSOR, UNIV. OF TEXAS HEALTH SCIENCE CTR.: Good to be here, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: So, often part of the problem is a lot of men may not either, A, reach out for help because they may be in denial that they may be in depression. And then it is really kind of associated mostly with women, isn't it?

LLOYD: We think of depression with women, but a lot of men have the problem and don't get help. Here's some of the reasons.

The first is we're living in a positive, success-driven culture. And men want to fit in. The next comes gender. Again, we mention how we think of women with depression, but men can have the problem, too. They just don't want to get help because, you know, men don't want to be open about their feelings. That is a misconception. Men need help.

Also some men fear medical therapy, that there could be unwanted side effects, doctors can adjust dosages, or try alternative medications to help them with their problems. Never underestimate the power of denial. Finally, there can be a cloud of substances like alcohol or illegal drugs that could mask the symptoms or a person's willingness to get help with their depression.

WHITFIELD: In cases like that, drug therapy is not the answer, but maybe some talk therapy. Let's talk about at the root of depression in men in general.

LLOYD: Here is one area where there is a big difference between men and women. Men develop depression when they have lost relationships. Such as a separation or divorce, or loss of a family member.

You know in the past decade there have been enormous economic pressures so any change to a career, being shoved out, forced to retire, or simply fired could lead to depression in men. Health issues are a big problem with men and when the health problem is affiliated with advancing age, like a prostate problem or a cataract, this can lead to depression, as well.

Once again, the issue of alcoholism. There is controversy. Does alcoholism cause the depression or just depress people drink too much? The truth is, if you're depressed, you're more than likely drinking more than you should.

WHITFIELD: What are the warning sign besides drinking too much, perhaps. What are some of the other warning signs that a person depressed could look out for or maybe even loved ones around that person?

LLOYD: Everyone knows someone who is depressed and they can take action. You look for changes in that person's life, and changes in their mood, changes in their sleeping habits. They could be sleeping too much and claiming to be tired, or it not sleeping enough, putting in 20 hours days. People complaining of chronic low energy, the loss of momentum and not being able to move forward.

Or problems with their work habits. Skipping work or not performing well at work all the way to putting in those 20-hour days at work. Either of those could be a sign of depression. Loss of interest in hobbies, recreational activities, or sex could be a signal that there are problems with depression or complaining too much about physical symptoms, when they didn't complain in the past.

WHITFIELD: Now that you notice the signs what can be recommended on -- what's the next step? What do you do?

LLOYD: Remember there is enormous help can be done for these 7 million depressed men in America. And as I mentioned, everyone knows someone who probably could use help. You don't need to hide. Dialogue like we're having today, public education, is an important way to alert people to the problems of depression.

Health professionals could do a better job. Nurses and doctors can ask the patients, point blank, say could you possibly be depressed? Individual awareness of family members and even people who may think to themselves, hey, some of this stuff sounds familiar, maybe I'm depressed.

Once again, no reason to pussyfoot, if you think someone is having a problem, you can ask them, point blank, could you be depressed? You may be surprised at the answer you get.

WHITFIELD: Wow, so hard to talk about, but, like you said, you have to take the first step and make folks talk about it. Dr. Bill Lloyd, thanks very much for joining us from San Antonio. Good to see you.

LLOYD: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Well, the final payments for victims of the September 11th attacks were handed out this week, but not without controversy. We have the story of one group feeling left out.

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WHITFIELD: The September 11 Victim Compensation Fund has helped hundreds of family rebuild their lives, now that its work is over, the controversy remains. The fund has awarded more than 5,500 death and injury claims stemming from the terror attack. However, some firefighters and others whose late claims were rejected are lodging complaints. Kenneth Feinberg oversees the 9/11 Victims Fund, he joins us live from Washington to talk more about this strife and the success of the fund.

And Mr. Feinberg, the majority, it seems, of victims injured, or families of those who were killed, did file for compensation funds, correct?

KENNETH FEINBERG, 9/11 VICTIM'S FUND: That's correct. We received about 98 percent of all eligible families who lost a loved one filed, as well as over 4,000 physical injury claims arising out of the 9/11 terrorists attacks.

WHITFIELD: So what do you know about that, roughly then 2 percent, who did not benefit from claiming. Do they make up some of these firefighters, you know, family members who missed the deadline, whose applications were rejected, et cetera. Or were these mostly people who just thought that perhaps they could file lawsuits later and fare better than taking advantage of this fund?

FEINBERG: Well, 70 families decided to litigate. And 70 specifically rejected the fund and, as they could under the statute, they decided to sue the airlines, the World Trade Center, et cetera. Then there are about 30 or 40 families that did nothing. They didn't sue, they didn't file with the fund --

WHITFIELD: Why is that?

FEINBERG: I think it's grief. I met with most of those families. I begged them, literally, to take advantage of this very, very generous program.

WHITFIELD: So, is there still a possibility for them then, if perhaps there's an opportunity for them to come around, perhaps they still would later be able to take advantage of the fund?

FEINBERG: No. The statute makes clear. It's not my regulations, it is the statute that says anybody who didn't file by December 22nd of 2003, I have no power to make them eligible, it would take an act of Congress to make them eligible.

WHITFIELD: Varying settlements, from $250,000 up to $7 million for death claims, specifically. How did you come up with the amount of the settlements?

FEINBERG: The statute laid out the criteria and that I had to establish, the methodology that I had to use. Then we looked at each individual application. How old was the victim? How much money did he or she earn? How many children or minor dependents were left behind? We developed a formula that I think, at the end of the day, was extremely fair, very generous, and very consistent. Just what Congress asked us to do.

WHITFIELD: Before you came to that conclusion, however, was it very difficult? Did you find that you, as well as other members of the commission were rather emotionally torn about how you come up with the settlement amounts for injuries or death?

FEINBERG: Very difficult. There was no commission, it's just me. I must say, the emotion, the tragedy, the frustration -- understandable -- of these families, made the task extremely difficult. But, the statistics demonstrate, I think, that over the two and a half years that we implemented the congressional program just about 98 percent decided that it was in their best interest, I think so, to come into the fund.

WHITFIELD: So all of those who did receive the settlements have also, in turn, agreed that they would not try to pursue any lawsuit against the city or the airlines or anyone involved in the 9/11 tragedies whatsoever, correct?

FEINBERG: Correct. Except they can always sue bin Laden, some are suing the Saudi government, some are suing the government of the Sudan for causing 9/11. That's a separate lawsuit, that they can do. You're right, no one who elected to come into the fund can litigate against the airlines, the World Trade Center, mass port, et cetera.

WHITFIELD: Kenneth Feinberg, tough job to take on all by your lonesome. Thank you for joining us.

FEINBERG: Thank you very much.

WHITFIELD: Stay quit and you'll be OK. These were the words that passengers on American Airlines flight 11 heard from one of their hijackers, believed to be Mohamed Atta. This week millions of people had a chance to hear these words live on television.

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JOHN AZZANELLO, COMMISSION COUNSEL: Controllers immediately began to move aircraft out of its path and searched from aircraft to aircraft, in an effort to have another pilot contact American 11. At 8:24 and 38 seconds, the following transmission came from American 11.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be OK. We are returning to the airport.

AZZANELLO: The controller only heard something unintelligible. He did not hear the specific words, quote, "we have some planes," end quote. The next transmission came seconds later.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.

AZZANELLO: Hearing that transmission, the controller told us he then knew it was a hijacking.

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WHITFIELD: Audiotapes from the hijacked planes were first publicly played this week on Capitol Hill as part of the hearings of the commission that investigated September 11th attacks. The final report contains chilling conclusions blaming the U.S. military and the FAA for being unprepared, quote, "in every respect to stop the hijackings".

Many family members of September 11 victims were present at the hearings.

And in case you missed this unprecedented moment in television during the week, we'll bring it to you again today. Highlights from the final report of September 11th commission today at 2:30 Eastern on CNN.

WHITFIELD: Well, some of the biggest stars in show biz bid farewell to the music legend known as "The Genius.

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WILLIE NELSON, SINGING: Georgia, Georgia the whole day through just an old sweet song keeps Georgia on my mind.

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WHITFIELD: The funeral tributes for Ray Charles.

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WHITFIELD: Ray Charles took one last curtain call yesterday, more than 1,500 people attended a funeral service in Los Angeles for the legendary musician, who died June 10th at the age of 73. CNN's Bruce Burkhart looks at why Ray Charles is so fondly remembered.

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RAY CHARLES, SINGING: I've been so many places in my life and time.

BRUCE BURKHART, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): How do you say good-bye to the likes of Ray Charles?

Thousands have tried in their own way over the last several days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Music is such a media that everybody understands. He was such a great teacher.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His contribution has been made and will continue to be made by all those who have followed him. Great legend.

BURKHART: At his funeral the big names weighed in, all trying to do the impossible. Describe the impact of Ray Charles.

CICELY TYSON, ACTRESS: There isn't another, there will never be another. Through his darkness, he enlightened and brightened our lives.

BURKHART: By now we all know the rags to riches story, overcoming dirt eating poverty and blindness and drug addiction to become not just wealthy, but rich in spirit and optimism and good will. Something he shared with all of us, at least when we were listening to his music.

Something in the way he moved and sang and played. It was a mark of his genius that he could be wrapped up in one or two musical blankets. He was the only artist to have a top 10 "Billboard" hit in five different musical genres. Everyone claimed him, blues, country, jazz, R&B, and soul. But it was his soul that bled out no matter what song he happened to be playing.

RAY CHARLES, LATE SINGING LEGEND: I think that's the great thing about what I do in my music. You can bend, you can change, as long as you stay within the context of the song itself, so you don't lose the public. You can always do it 50,000 different ways, too.

BURKHART: Few entertainers have been able to break down all the usual barriers that divide us, race, generations, economic class, politics. Ray Charles transcended all of that, especially with his goose bump raising rendition of "America The Beautiful."

CHARLES, SINGING: I'm talking about this America, America.

BURKHART: What he did for America also did for Georgia. "Georgia on My Bind" was named the state song of Georgia in 1979.

CHARLES, SINGING: Oh, Georgia ...oh, Georgia.

CLINT EASTWOOD, ACTOR/DIRECTOR: He taught us all about the blues. People who didn't understand the blues, he taught us about country music and he taught us -- re-instilled our interest in patriotic songs and -- anything he touched was just brilliant.

BURKHART: So many friends, so many fans all trying to sum him up. It's like trying to describe the colors of the rainbow to a blind person.

He once was blind, but now he can see. (END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: So much more ahead on CNN SATURDAY.

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