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Safeguarding Against Spyware; New Photos Show U.S. Soldiers Posing with Iraqi Detainees
Aired December 04, 2004 - 16:00 ET
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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Worried you have missed out on the best travel deals for the holiday? It may not be too late to plan for a trip. We'll talk to a travel expert about where you can go without spending a lot of cash.
Spyware. Adware. Your every keystroke monitored when you're online. Hear what you can do to take a bite out of it and get your privacy back.
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WHITFIELD: And their voices are among the most recognizable in music history but the children from Pink Floyd's "The Wall" were never paid for their work. Now that could change.
Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Those stories and more coming up. But first a look at the headlines.
Militants set off two car bombs near the entrance gate to Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone today, killing 16 people, 38 others were wounded, The checkpoint at the scene of the bombings and a second checkpoint in the Green Zone were later shut down after insurgents opened fire on them. We will have a full report coming up in six minutes.
President Bush is urging Congress to pass the intelligence reform bill next week. The bill includes plans for a new management structure which would oversee the nation's anti-terrorism agencies per recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. In his weekly radio address, Mr. Bush said passage is needed to insure America's safety.
It is one of the most heated rivalries in the football: the Army- Navy game. Today marks the 105th match-up today between the service academy players. And President Bush is among the 70,000 spectators packing the Linc in Philadelphia to watch.
Missing explosives, two words that send a chill down the spine in the post-September 11th era, but it's a prospect that has Transportation Security Administration officials rather concerned. They've been looking for a training device at some of the nation's airports. They say it would not endanger passengers or blow up but it's still causing concern.
CNN's Denise Belgrave has the story.
DENISE BELGRAVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The search for a lost bag caused quite a scare at the Los Angeles Airport.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know they want to protect our safety, but the way they do it makes me even more, you know, unsafe.
BELGRAVE: According to the Transportation Security Administration, that's TSA, French officials notified the Department of Homeland Security that they have lost track of a suitcase with a training aid inside that's used for explosives detection. Officials said it was being used to teach dogs to detect bombs but that the suitcase accidentally slipped into the regular baggage handling system and it may have been loaded aboard an Air France aircraft.
TSA says about 100 planes took off in from Charles De Gaulle in Paris before the mistake was even discovered. Three of those planes landed at JFK in New York and one landed in Los Angeles.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were a lot of different authorities out there (UNINTELLIGIBLE) apparently ready to check bags and looked like they were taking everything very seriously.
BELGRAVE: When Flight 70 arrived at LAX nonstop from Paris, it was immediately isolated and all passengers evacuated.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They simply said that we had a welcoming committee and that they wanted us to all cooperate with the authorities and that they would like us to get our bags and to turn off all cell phones and no cameras.
BELGRAVE: TSA officials said their search came back clear and no unclaimed bag was found. CNN's security analyst tells us that many of these training explosive devices are really hoax devices, that they smell and look like a bomb but they aren't the real thing.
CNN contacted the French foreign ministry for comment. Officials there said they were looking into the matter but had no additional information.
Denise Belgrave, CNN, Atlanta.
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WHITFIELD: The war on terror was on the agenda at the White House today. President Bush met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in the Oval Office. In addition to terrorism, they discussed relations between India and Pakistan and the quest for peace in the Middle East.
Mr. Musharraf's visit comes just days after the Pakistan's army said it was pulling back from the search for Osama bin Laden near the Afghan border. President Bush praised the army's efforts and Pakistan's cooperation in the hunt for the al Qaeda leader.
CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux joins us now -- Suzanne.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fred, it really was a rare Oval Office visit on a Saturday, of course. President Bush hosting Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharaff, really, one of the most critical allies in the war on terror.
Pervez Musharraf saying that he was stopping by to thank the president and congratulate him for his election win. But of course, it was much more than a courtesy call. Both leaders talking about issues that are critical to their administrations.
Most notably, of course, is the joint role in the hunt for the elusive Osama bin Laden. It was just last month that Pakistan's military announced that it was withdrawing hundreds of its troops from a southern area in the region that borders the Afghan border, but the search -- because the search for Osama bin Laden essentially had been fruitless.
Now Mr. Bush played down any White House concern about this retreat and said, emphasizing the progress that Pakistan has made.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Quite the contrary, his army has been incredibly active and very brave in southern Waziristan, flushing out an enemy that had thought they had found safe haven. His army has suffered casualty and for that we want to thank their loved ones for the sacrifice that their family has made.
The president has been a determined leader to bring to justice not only people like Osama bin Laden, but to bring to justice those who would inflict harm and pain on his own people.
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN: We discussed terrorism in its entire complexity. And, within that, hunting every terrorist was discussed, of course. The operation against terrorists in Pakistan on our borders was discussed.
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MALVEAUX: Now, Musharaff, who has actually survived two assassination attempts and is often a target of Islamic extremists was seeking assurances from President Bush, a commitment that is crucial to Muslims around the world, that is to help with the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, to bring about a resolution. President Bush today assuring Pervez Musharraf that in fact that was one of his administration's priorities -- Fred.
WHITFIELD: Well, Suzanne, is the White House going to comment on detail of how they would try to reassure the security of Pervez Musharraf?
MALVEAUX: Well, what they did reassure is that they are going to be committed in terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In terms of security itself, as you know, there are Pakistani forces as well as U.S. forces that are in joint operations in that part of the world.
Certainly, this has been a big problem for Musharraf, but again, they also recognize this is a big risk. He has put himself out there. There is a lot of internal conflict within Pakistan. But they believe that offering him that kind of support will allow him to cooperate and work well with his neighbors.
WHITFIELD: Suzanne Malveaux, thanks, from the White House.
In Iraq, it's a risky job that's becoming ever more dangerous. The country's police officers increasingly finding themselves the targets of insurgents. More policemen were killed today in the latest string of attacks. CNN's Karl Penhaul reports from Baghdad.
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Smoke billowed skyward minutes after two car bombs explode. Seconds later, you can hear the bullets fly as insurgents trade fire with Iraqi guards manning two checkpoints into the fortified Green Zone. Iraqi officials say the main target was just opposite, a district police station. As the ambulances shuttle away the dead and injured, it's clear the police have borne the brunt of the blast. It has been a busy few days at Baghdad's Yarmuke (ph) Hospital after a wave of guerrilla strikes across the capital.
MUSHTAG TALID ALI, IRAQI POLICE OFFICER (through translator): We were standing outside when we saw the car drive up with a young man. Suddenly it exploded. It's a process that took no longer than 10 seconds and then everybody was dead in the street.
PENHAUL: Insurgents seem to be increasingly targeting Iraqi security forces instead of better equipped, better trained coalition troops. Mushtag Taild Ali joined the police just nine days ago, one of the riskiest jobs in the country right now. The pay, roughly $220 a month.
ALI (through translator): The hunger was killing my family. We have no work. What are we supposed to do, steal?
PENHAUL: He has been watching medics bandage up his wounded buddies all morning and wheeling out others who died. He says he had a premonition.
ALI (through translator): Just this morning we were thinking that something today was going to happen to us. I had a dream last night that I was passing around empty glasses. If they were full, I would have died.
PENHAUL: Ali's leg has been ripped apart. Looking at the stretchers and blood in the yard, it could have been worse. Each day since Ali began his new job, he kisses his wife good-bye and warns her he may not make it home.
ALI (through translator): I tell her that if I die, she should get married again. Where else would she go, back to her family? It is better for her to remarry.
PENHAUL: Insurgents struck elsewhere Saturday, hitting a military convoy and killing a U.S. soldier with a roadside bomb near Baquba. And another U.S. soldier was killed when rebels bombed Army trucks in east Baghdad.
(on camera): And if the countdown to the January 30th elections continues, government officials believe the resistance fighters whom they describe as desperadoes will step up their sabotage campaign.
Karl Penhaul, CNN, Baghdad.
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WHITFIELD: Today's violence wasn't limited to the Iraqi capital. There was also bloodshed in the city of Mosul. A suicide bomber pulled his vehicle alongside a bus full of Kurdish fighters, seven of the passengers were killed when the attacker detonated his explosives. U.S. and Iraqi forces have been battling insurgents in Mosul since they staged an uprising in the city last month.
Meanwhile the U.S. death toll in Iraq continues to grow, as Karl Penhaul mentioned, two U.S. solders were killed today in separate roadside bomb attacks. The deaths come one day after two U.S. soldiers were killed at the troubled border crossing between Jordan and Iraq. Five U.S. soldiers were wounded in the car bombing, 1271 U.S. troops have now died since the start of the war in Iraq.
A new investigation is under way into photographs that appear to show U.S. military personnel posing with Iraqi detainees. CNN's Kimberly Osias joins us from Washington with more details on that -- Kimberly.
KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Fredricka. Well, the photos may not show a clear case of abuse but some Navy officials say they do display poor judgment at a minimum. A preliminary investigation is now under way. Who exactly took the pictures is unclear at this point.
There are about 200 of them in all. Though only several of those are now drawing attention. Date stamps on the photos indicate May 2003, several months before the far more brutal photos from Iraq's Abu Ghraib Prison were taken.
Let's take a look at some of the photos. The one that we're going to show you first, a detainee apparently with a bloody face, you can see some blood coming down on the side there. According to the Associated Press, the pictures were placed on the Internet by the wife of a serviceman who had just returned from duty. A senior Navy official says that site is only accessible now with a password.
Another picture shows a detainee lying face up on the ground with a boot at his chest. Now exactly what does all of this mean? That's a bit difficult to say because Navy officials are still investigating the context in which the photos were taken. It is that context that's a critical distinction between this and Abu Ghraib.
Some former officials say this instance appears not to be in a prison but rather in what they call a point of capture. That means different standards apply. Even so, Navy Special Warfare Command spokesperson Jeff Bender says the matter is under investigation.
He also adds: "There are strict Navy regulations prohibiting the photographing of detainees for other than official purposes. Additionally, prior to deployment, Navy Special Warfare personnel are instructed that taking unofficial photographs of POWs and detainees is prohibited."
Experts say there are circumstances where photographing detainees is important, like for identification and documentation. Sources say if the preliminary investigations suggests criminal wrongdoing, the Navy Criminal Investigative Services will be called in. And as of yet, Fredricka, that has not happened.
WHITFIELD: OK. Kimberly Osias in Washington, thanks so much.
Rounding up suspected bombmakers in Iraq.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me where the hidden stuff is around your house, the hidden bombs -- the hidden bomb materials.
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WHITFIELD: And it's more than materials, another chilling discovery by U.S. troops.
Are some of the most recognizable athletes in sports using steroids? The man at the center of the BALCO scandal reveals what he has seen.
And in "Living Well," a doctor offers up some healthy holiday gifts for your friends and loved ones.
We'll be right back.
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WHITFIELD: Well, now to the looming steroid scandal. An attorney for baseball's Barry Bonds says the San Francisco Giants slugger did nothing illegal. CNN sports correspondent Michelle Bonner is here with the latest on the controversy.
And it's really difficult to try to determine how widespread this investigation is and how many people, particularly notable athletes, it's going to be involving.
MICHELLE BONNER, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, you just have to look at the names that have been brought in to testify in this BALCO steroid investigation. Gary Sheffield, who said, yes, I unknowingly took -- he was given something -- the Cream and the Clear. He believed it to be something other than what it was, but he told the grand jury that he unknowingly was given this. He lived with Barry Bonds for a short time and it was Barry Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, and his friend that gave him this. But he came out and said that. Jason Giambi, he came out and admitted to the grand jury that he indeed was taking steroids. But he supposedly took it a little bit further. And when you think about him, these guys were given immunity before the grand jury here. Now, this guy looked at it, saying, I better answer honestly.
Now this is supposed to be kept secret and private. So he answered honestly knowing he had immunity, but knowing that if he didn't answer honestly and it came out later, he faced a perjury charge.
But Barry Bonds has always maintained that he has never used steroids. His grand jury testimony that "The San Francisco Chronicle" is talking about is saying that Barry Bonds said that he received from his friend and personal trainer -- Greg Anderson, received a Cream and a Clear. The Clear has been come to know as...
WHITFIELD: But he kind of thought it was nutritional supplements of some sort, that's his explanation?
BONNER: Yes. He said that he was told it was flaxseed oil, which is like an omega-3 fatty acid, and he also believed the Cream to be some sort of an arthritis rubbing cream.
WHITFIELD: OK. So given that they have been granted immunity, they may not face prosecution in terms of their admitted use of these products, however, you have to wonder if this investigation is about nailing BALCO or is it about nailing or revealing who some of these high priced big name athletes are involved in this?
BONNER: This investigation is about nailing BALCO and Victor Conte, who is the head of it. It wasn't necessarily ever about nailing the athletes. If you think about it, grand jury testimony is supposed to be kept private. Somebody leaked and that is, I believe, against -- you know, a criminal offense, leaking grand jury testimony.
WHITFIELD: And so that is likely to impact a trial if it comes to that.
BONNER: Which is about Victor Conte, not the athletes. What it comes down to, the athletes, is now this is all going to be tried in the court of public opinion.
WHITFIELD: Sure.
BONNER: What the fans have to say about all of this because these athletes have maintained all along -- Barry Bonds was asked last February if he inadvertently could have possibly taken steroids. He absolutely without a doubt said, I -- no. That's what he said.
WHITFIELD: But then consequently you have to believe that the teams of these active players, if it's Barry Bonds or if it's Giambi, may have to come down on these athletes. So they may not be tried in the court but they may face something, some sort of penalty...
BONNER: Jason Giambi is facing the possibility of having his contract voided. These contracts are done up. The Yankees probably have a clause in Giambi's contract where it says any use of an illegal substance is cause for voiding that contract. It is believed that they're in the process of trying to void his -- I believe it's $82 million or $86 million remaining on it.
Barry Bonds, on the other hand, has never said, I took anything illegal. He didn't even say I inadvertently did anything illegal. So the Giants cannot do anything to Bonds based on that.
WHITFIELD: And just quickly, we are out of time. Marion Jones, even if she doesn't compete again, she doesn't necessarily have to look at possibly losing her medals because she has never tested positive.
BONNER: She has never tested positive.
WHITFIELD: Regardless of what somebody's testimony may be.
BONNER: And she remains that she didn't, and Victor Conte said that he watched her inject herself with steroids.
WHITFIELD: All right. Michelle Bonner, thanks so much.
Well, one of baseball's former power hitters has something to say about the steroids debate. Jose Conseco once estimated that nearly half of his pro-athlete colleagues were "on the juice" as he puts it. What is he saying now. He talks to CNN tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern.
And these voices are instantly recognizable. But do you know who they are really?
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WHITFIELD: That anti-school anthem that became a hit 25 years ago, it's hard to believe it was that long ago, could finally be rewarding for some of the young performers who sang in it and in that video.
And your privacy online. Spyware may be tracking every move you make. What you can do to protect yourself straight ahead.
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WHITFIELD: Here's what's happening across America now. Investigators in Houston are looking for the cause of a fiery explosion last night at a chemical plant. The factory makes waxes for paint and printing ink. The wax melted and flowing into a parking lot where firefighters were battling the blaze. Several minor injuries are being reported.
Police in Minneapolis are holding a woman who sold people what she said were flu shots at a college this week. Officers say she fled when asked for her credentials. They believe the shots may have been fake or from stolen batches of vaccine.
A homeless man in Dallas is hoping a relic from the Titanic will get him off the streets. eBay is auctioning a plate the man says he inherited from a great aunt who took it with her as escaped the sinking ship. Bidding starts at just under $50,000.
Detangling the Web is getting more complicated thanks to something called spyware. It's a way to invade your privacy online without your even knowing it. Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg explains what it is and how you can get it off your computer.
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DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: You may not know about spyware, but let's start with something you probably know way too much about, those pesky pop-up ads.
(voice-over): The pop-up ad for the X10 camera, remember that? It was among the very first pop-up ads to really sweep the Web. For a while there in 2001, it popped up again and again and again.
(on camera): Back then, such ads were pretty new. To help illustrate how things have changed, imagine that this tennis racket like the cursor or the mouse on your screen and you're trying to close down those pop-up ads.
Well, initially, there was a start of slow, steady stream, annoying but still manageable. Then along came something called spyware, little software programs that would install themselves on your computer. And pretty soon, that slow, steady stream turned into a raging flood, a torrent, if you will, of pop-up ads popping up faster than you can close them down. A little help?
(voice-over): And that's no coincidence. Most spyware is adware, as in advertisements, pop-ups designed to force you to click on them. But other versions of spyware actually track you around the Web, reporting your movements back to third parties. Some spyware even records everything you type, including sensitive information. How does this stuff get on your computer in the first place?
Well, you get it just by surfing the Web. When you visit certain sites, spyware programs insert themselves on your machine.
(on camera): So how do you know if you've got it? Well, the truth is there's no easy way to know. Look around on your desktop and you're not going to find an icon for spyware. That's because the people who make spyware don't want you to know that it's there.
(voice-over): One big tippoff that your machine has been infected is it will start to run slower, freeze up or even crash frequently. A recent study found that nine out of 10 computers connected to the Internet have been compromised with spyware lots of times. Dozens of different spyware programs are running all at the same time.
We sat down with Mark Rasch, a lawyer and computer security expert with the company Solutionary (ph) to find out more.
(on camera): Now spyware, beyond just providing all these popup ads, you're saying that it collects information, it collects what I'm typing? What do they then do with that information?
MARK RASCH, COMPUTER SECURITY EXPERT: What we have created with the Internet is this whole market economy in personal information. It's very important for me to know what are you looking at? What are you buying? What are you not buying? What time of day are you surfing? Who are you? So there's a whole marketplace for information. And so, what the spyware is trying to do is collect that information and the people who are purveying it, trying to sell it.
SIEBERG: Actually, we have been tracked online since the early days of the Web through something called a cookie. Most company Web sites use them. Here's how they work. When you visit company x's Web site, a small file gets placed on your computer called a cookie which tracks your movement on that particular Web site and remembers like the links you clicked on and how long you were there.
Now once you leave that Web site, the cookie stays on your computer. But it doesn't report back on where else you go on the Web. Not so with spyware. It can follow you anywhere.
RASCH: So here we have a computer that's acting very sluggish and we don't know why.
SIEBERG (voice-over): We turned off the spyware filter on a computer in our office, then we ran some spyware scanning software to see what it picked up.
RASCH: So we'll run one of the programs here and see how many copies of spyware we have got on this machine.
SIEBERG (on camera): How many would you guess are on there?
RASCH: I would guess -- it has been running for about a day-and- a-half, I would guess probably around a thousand.
SIEBERG: A thousand different programs for files that are all trying to generate ads and get your information?
RASCH: That's right. So so far, in less six or seven seconds, it has got 211 different objects recognized and 44 running processes.
SIEBERG: It's just overwhelming it.
RASCH: And so what people end up doing is they end up buying new computers that they don't need simply because their old computers are just filled with this gunk.
SIEBERG: All right. So you have heard what spyare can do to you. But what can you do about spyware, the part we've all been waiting for. Well, you might want to change the Web browser you're using. It turns out that most spyware programs can only run on Microsoft's Internet Explorer. Now beyond that, you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get some spyware-blocking or scanning programs. There are plenty of them out there like Adaware, Spybot, Spysweeper, also companies like Norton and McAfee have spyware upgrades for their anti-virus software. Lots to choose from. You're just going to have to search around a little.
The bottom line is that whichever one you choose, keep it updated and run it regularly, because spyware is likely here for the long haul.
Daniel Sieberg, CNN, Atlanta.
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WHITFIELD: The final act of this year's election season is playing out in Louisiana today. Voters in the Bayou State's third and seventh congressional districts are deciding the winners in two hard fought and sometimes nasty House run off races.
In Florida, a cargo plane dodged high-rise condominiums before crashing into a lake in the Miami Dade County area. The crash happened in Aventura, just a few miles east of North Miami Beach. Both people on board were able to exit the plane safely.
The chess player is finally facing check mate. Alleged drug kingpin Giberto Rodriguez Orejuela nicknamed the chess player, is now in U.S. custody. Orejuela, an alleged founder of the Cali drug cartel was extradited from Colombia late Friday.
And straight ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, suspected bomb makers rounded up in Iraq and the finding that concerns the U.S. military. Were top secrets passed to the insurgency?
And why rescuers have suspended their search for possible survivors amid a deadly landslide in China.
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WHITFIELD: A deadly weekend in Iraq, 16 people were killed in this double car bombing in Baghdad. Two U.S. soldiers were killed and six others wounded in two other roadside bombings. And on Friday, two U.S. troops killed and five wounded after a car bomb exploded at a border crossing between Iraq and Jordan.
U.S. troops in Iraq captured a man they're calling a master bomb maker. They believe the man made bombs for insurgents and helped bankroll their activities. A search of his house turned up plenty of weapons but also led to a chilling discovery. CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson has the story.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Struggling in his newly fitted flexi-cuffs, the man U.S. troops believe to be a master bomb maker, is lined up for identification.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Don't talk.
Six others also rounded up at his remote farmhouse.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: What is that other missile? ROBERTSON: Inside, a pile of seized weapons grows as does the sense that after days of poor leads, good intelligence finally paid off.
1ST SGT. JOE DALLAS, TASK FORCE OLYMPIA: It's pretty obvious that these guys were supplying and financing terrorists just by the amount of cash and weapons that they have here. For example, a site for a mortar. I mean, you don't use mortars for home defense. So -- and then, of course, the RPG launcher and this is the kind of thing we face every day.
ROBERTSON: The suspects led in to have their photos take with the evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Jackpot.
ROBERTSON: Satisfaction. They caught one of the men they believe is trying to kill them.
CAPT. ROBERT LACKEY, TASK FORCE OLYMPIA: These guys have been known IED car bomb personnel that have been operating in the AO (ph) since we've been here the last two months so it's a good score.
ROBERTSON: Then, amid a search of documents, a chilling discovery.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: That's going to north, used to work with us.
ROBERTSON: Papers indicating the suspect could have been on U.S. bases.
SGT. DON TUCKER, TASK FORCE OLYMPIA: With a weapon, a special equipment weapons card like this, we just worry about, you know, if any secrets were given to the insurgencies.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. If you cooperate now, things will be easier on you later.
ROBERTSON: Efforts to discover the suspected insurgent's secrets are stepped up.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Tell me where the hidden stuff is around your house. The hidden -- the hidden bombs, the hidden bomb materials.
ROBERTSON: No clues given, only denials of involvement in the insurgency and he is marched off.
(on-camera): Actionable intelligence is what commanders say will win the battle against insurgents. This night it seems the information was both accurate and timely.
(voice-over): For the soldiers, the satisfaction of locking up people suspected of attacking them, the pay back for nights when nothing goes quite according to plan. Nic Robertson, CNN, north of Mosul, Iraq.
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WHITFIELD: In other news around the world, Manuel Noriega's attorney says the former Panamanian leader is in stable condition after suffering a mild stroke this week. Noriega is serving a sentence in a Miami area Federal prison for drug trafficking.
State-run media reporting at least 23 people dead from a landslide that hit a mountain village in southwestern China. Rescuers fear there may be more slides. So they're suspending the search for others still missing.
Emergency relief supplies are pouring into the northern Philippines after back to back storms that killed 640 people and left nearly 400 missing. The tropical storm hit the region Monday followed by a typhoon on Thursday.
Ukrainian supporters of opposition presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko are jubilant over a supreme court decision canceling last month's disputed run off vote. Downtown Kiev was one big street party last night after the court ordered a repeat run off by December 26th. Yushchenko backers and international observers contend Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych won the presidential election run off through voter fraud.
Well, they may not have needed an education, but 25 years after performing on Pink Floyd's hit song "Another Brick in the Wall," some of the back up singers have decided it's time to get paid. CNN's Jim Bolden explains.
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JIM BOLDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pink Floyd's anti- school anthem, "Another Brick in the Wall" was a big and controversial hit 25 years ago. The best selling album helped Pink Floyd amass a fortune but the school-aged singers got no money. 38-year-old Tabitha Mellor was one of the choir singers. She remembers being told their first attempt was too polished.
TABITHA MELLOR, FORMER SINGER: Sing it as if you're in a football match. We don't need no education it was, oh God.
BOLDEN: That's what I remember.
MELLOR: It was really sort of --
BOLDEN: That accent, education.
MELLOR: And we belted it out at the top of our lungs.
BOLDEN: Miller had no idea when she arrived at her London high school that day she was to make rock history. On that day, the music teacher here at Islington Green School was asked to ground up some of the choir and go off to a local recording studio to do some tracks for the new Pink Floyd album. So he gathered up about a dozen students and dashed off. With little rehearsal, the teenagers sang the tracks again and again to give the impression dozens were singing.
The singers did get tickets to a Floyd concert and a copy of the album. Now those who were there want to be paid for their time. U.K. law allows singers to claim compensation for unpaid work. There is not a lot of money at stake. They're likely to be several hundred dollars each through royalties collected from radio play. It's a principle.
STEVEN GAYDOS, VARIETY: This record is driven by the chorus. The chorus is these kids. It's their voices. It's their performance and the record then generated millions and millions of dollars.
BOLDEN: And despite the controversy, Mellor rejects the message of the song. She is now a teacher.
MELLOR: And the thought control bit, is it's quite funny because that's sort of totally not what style of teacher I'm about, getting children to think for themselves. I think that's really important.
BOLDEN: But Mellor never met Pink Floyd because the uproar from using students for the song led the school to ban them from performing it again. So other kids were hired to mime the lyrics for the music video. Jim Bolden, CNN, London.
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WHITFIELD: Well, when you think of holiday gift buying, healthy may not be the first thing that comes to mind but our Dr. Bill Lloyd has some ideas. Dr. Bill?
DR. BILL LLOYD, U. OF CAL. DAVIS: No more junk gifts. Make the switch to healthy holiday presents when CNN SATURDAY continues.
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WHITFIELD: All right. In about an hour and 15 minutes, more of CNN LIVE SATURDAY, this time with Andrea Koppel. Andrea, what's coming up?
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We got a couple of great stories. At 6:00, all the time we do stories on CNN that it's (INAUDIBLE) focused on that story. You see nothing but whatever the story is fill in the blank. And one of those stories was throughout the summer, Florida being hit by multiple hurricanes, by tropical storms. We're going to get an update from a couple of mayors who are going to tell us how their communities are doing, whether or not they got the kind of Federal aid they needed, how families are doing, the elderly. We're going to go through that.
And then at 10:00, we have obviously the big story is Barry Bonds and what he reportedly admitted to a Federal grand jury about the fact that he used this clear substance on his body, didn't realize what it was. Admitted, again, reportedly, that it was a steroid. We're going to be talking to Jose Conseco who was, as many of you remember the first professional baseball player to come out and say -- active player to say I used steroids. It's common within the world of baseball. We're going to be talking to him at 10:00.
WHITFIELD: And it's quite remarkable that he's willing to talk about it.
KOPPEL: He's got a book coming out.
WHITFIELD: How convenient.
KOPPEL: So he's pushing the book but he is going to comment and we're going to ask him about Barry Bonds and the rules of professional sports.
WHITFIELD: That's right because there are a lot of folks, you know, critics who are saying it is not just baseball. It's not just track and field. But some of these same principles can be applied to an investigation that should involve almost all professional sports.
KOPPEL: Exactly and should their records be overturned? That's a question that we're going to be asking our viewers tonight.
WHITFIELD: All right. Andrea Koppel, we'll be watching beginning at 6:00. Thanks a lot.
Well, before heading to the mall to find the perfect gift for family and friends, remember the very best gift in life is our good health. So it makes perfect sense, perhaps, to select healthy holiday presents. They can also be fun and fit any budget. Dr. Bill Lloyd, professor at the University of California Davis School of Medicine joins us with a sack full of some healthy gift ideas. Good to see you, Dr. Lloyd.
LLOYD: Happy holidays Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: Happy holidays. All right. We are talking about health. You know, things that people really could use but sometimes they can be awkward to try to think of some gifts for folks health wise because you don't want to insult anybody either.
LLOYD: You're right and during Christmas time, exchanging gifts, the perfect gift is the one that marries up your affection for the person with something that they will actually use and I have a list of very important tips that you can use when you're thinking about getting a Christmas gift for someone, particularly with a healthy emphasis.
The first thing to do is to listen for the clues. People have been telling you all year, -- if only I had somebody who would wake me up in the morning to get me out running. Well, you might buy them a pair of running sneakers with a note that says I will call you every morning for a month.
Also, knowing a person's individual hobbies or interests will direct you in the right direction. That is, don't be buying dumbbells for grandpa. Know an individual person's activity level, as well and sometimes you can get involved with them and make a two for one deal out of it. And then finally have respect for their own health concerns. Maybe you have someone in your family who is promising to stop smoking come New Year's Day. Do you know how expensive that nicotine gum really is? Why not buy them a few boxes to catapult them to a better life style in 2005?
WHITFIELD: Wow, those are all great ideas. But when you talk about wanting to really understand their hobbies and their interests, you know, say they do complain about certain ailments, they need some kind of health help but they don't really have any hobbies or interests that would direct you to something that would help their ailment. So how do you gingerly kind of approach that topic without, you know, turning someone off or insulting them?
LLOYD: Well, from people who may be sedentary or don't have a healthy life style, you still know that they want to eat. Everybody wants to eat, so you might consider getting them a healthy cookbook, like this beautiful book by Julia Child. There are many low fat, vegetarian recipes in here. But here's what makes the gift special. Prepare a meal for the person using a recipe from this book and while they enjoy the meal, you let them know that that meal and many others are in this book. So again, you combine your affection for the person with something practical that they may use every day and they can change in their healthy life for 2005.
WHITFIELD: I loved one of the examples involving you where you loved to ski. Your wife thought I want to get you something that pertains to one of your interests but you were a little hard headed about the whole skier's helmet, weren't you, until she...
LLOYD: It's a perfect word to use because I hated to get the helmet and I'm a doctor!
WHITFIELD: What's the matter with you?
LLOYD: What's the matter with me? Last Christmas, my wife bought me this beautiful ski helmet which we'll be using in Squaw Valley in just a few weeks and you know what, it is enormously practical. It will save my life particularly the way that I ski and it's something that I use and it's a wonderful symbol of affection.
WHITFIELD: And they've made those helmets so funky and cool that you go on a ski slope and it's almost as if people are clamoring for them. Everyone wants them now. All right.
LLOYD: They certainly do.
WHITFIELD: Dr. Bill Lloyd, some great suggestions on some healthy holiday ideas. Thanks a lot and have a great holiday and enjoy Squaw Valley.
LLOYD: We'll talk again soon.
WHITFIELD: OK.
Well, want to get away for the holidays but worried it's a little too late to get maybe a good deal on your airfare, for example? Our travel expert will guide you to some bargains right after the break. And from the sidelines to the front line. The battle on the gridiron today. Partners in battle tomorrow for members of the Army and Navy football teams.
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WHITFIELD: Well, if your idea of the perfect Christmas or New Year's holiday is a get away to some exotic locale, there are some great travel deals out there. Travel expert Pauline Frommer is in New York with some tips on getting the most of your holiday trip. Good to see you Pauline.
PAULINE FROMMER, BUDGET TRAVEL ONLINE: Good to see you.
WHITFIELD: All right, so still some pretty good deals. Let's start with airfare.
FROMMER: Yes. Well, every year around this time, we start to see sales. Now, these are sales for very specific days. They're the days that no one wants to travel. But if you have no other way of getting home for the holidays, you will find good prices for December 25th, December 31st and January 1st. There are a number of sales for those dates. There are also companies that want you to buy travel and give it as a stocking stuffer or as a gift to a loved one. Air Lingus is selling very, very cheap, very flexible tickets. You can actually change the name on the ticket and the dates on the ticket after the person receives the gift for travel in March and Scandinavian airlines has a remarkable sale to Scandinavia for the later winter months which will get you back and forth say to Stockholm for $249 round trip.
WHITFIELD: Wow. That's almost cheaper than what it would take to get from New York to L.A. these days.
FROMMER: Absolutely. It's a remarkable sale online only at SAS.
WHITFIELD: So I wonder with some of these deals like even on SAS, do you wait a little bit longer until they start advertising or encouraging you to take advantage of a great deal for travel on December 25th or the 31st or are they --
FROMMER: No. Don't wait. These deals are starting to disappear. For example, there's a company called gotoday.com which had a slew of great deals to Europe. Now there are just two left if you want to go for Rome for either Christmas or New Year's. It's going to cost you about $700 airfare and six nights' hotel. They have a similar one for London but it's very, very tight in terms of occupancy.
WHITFIELD: All right. And still thinking of the exotic and far away places, Ireland. What a great place, you know, to spend the holiday season.
FROMMER: Sure. Yes. As I said before, Air Lingus has a good sale there. It's actually not for the holidays though. It's for the March month. If you want to go to the Caribbean, perhaps and who doesn't, you can either look into a cruise. Such big discounters as Cruises Only and Cruise Value Centers have Carnival cruises on sale and Princess cruises on sale to the Caribbean. One thing you want to make sure is that you're going out of an American gateway because often if you're leaving from San Juan, it's hard to get airfare there at this time of year.
WHITFIELD: And when you think of the Caribbean particularly Jamaica has some great deals.
FROMMER: Yeah.
WHITFIELD: Override some the other Caribbean places. Right?
FROMMER: There's a little company called atlasvacations.net. It's run by Jamaican expats and they're sending people to Jamaica this Christmas for $879 airfare and six night's hotel which is darn good for the holidays.
WHITFIELD: So how flexible do you need to be? You mentioned traveling on the holiday itself. What other kind of other flexible or flexibilities must you have?
FROMMER: You do need to be flexible. Often you won't find great rates first thing or early in the day and late in the day. It tends to - the cheaper flights tend to be in the middle of the day. It won't work for this year but next year, when you're looking at your travel plans, try not to do -- try to do nonstop flights if you can. With global warming, we're seeing weather patterns that are more and more extreme. And so if you're flying into Chicago or one of those storm tossed airports, at this season, it's a risky thing to do particularly when so many flights are going to be overbooked.
WHITFIELD: All right. Pauline Frommer, Budget Travel Online, thanks so much.
FROMMER: Thank you.
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Spyware. Adware. Your every keystroke monitored when you're online. Hear what you can do to take a bite out of it and get your privacy back.
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WHITFIELD: And their voices are among the most recognizable in music history but the children from Pink Floyd's "The Wall" were never paid for their work. Now that could change.
Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Those stories and more coming up. But first a look at the headlines.
Militants set off two car bombs near the entrance gate to Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone today, killing 16 people, 38 others were wounded, The checkpoint at the scene of the bombings and a second checkpoint in the Green Zone were later shut down after insurgents opened fire on them. We will have a full report coming up in six minutes.
President Bush is urging Congress to pass the intelligence reform bill next week. The bill includes plans for a new management structure which would oversee the nation's anti-terrorism agencies per recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. In his weekly radio address, Mr. Bush said passage is needed to insure America's safety.
It is one of the most heated rivalries in the football: the Army- Navy game. Today marks the 105th match-up today between the service academy players. And President Bush is among the 70,000 spectators packing the Linc in Philadelphia to watch.
Missing explosives, two words that send a chill down the spine in the post-September 11th era, but it's a prospect that has Transportation Security Administration officials rather concerned. They've been looking for a training device at some of the nation's airports. They say it would not endanger passengers or blow up but it's still causing concern.
CNN's Denise Belgrave has the story.
DENISE BELGRAVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The search for a lost bag caused quite a scare at the Los Angeles Airport.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know they want to protect our safety, but the way they do it makes me even more, you know, unsafe.
BELGRAVE: According to the Transportation Security Administration, that's TSA, French officials notified the Department of Homeland Security that they have lost track of a suitcase with a training aid inside that's used for explosives detection. Officials said it was being used to teach dogs to detect bombs but that the suitcase accidentally slipped into the regular baggage handling system and it may have been loaded aboard an Air France aircraft.
TSA says about 100 planes took off in from Charles De Gaulle in Paris before the mistake was even discovered. Three of those planes landed at JFK in New York and one landed in Los Angeles.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were a lot of different authorities out there (UNINTELLIGIBLE) apparently ready to check bags and looked like they were taking everything very seriously.
BELGRAVE: When Flight 70 arrived at LAX nonstop from Paris, it was immediately isolated and all passengers evacuated.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They simply said that we had a welcoming committee and that they wanted us to all cooperate with the authorities and that they would like us to get our bags and to turn off all cell phones and no cameras.
BELGRAVE: TSA officials said their search came back clear and no unclaimed bag was found. CNN's security analyst tells us that many of these training explosive devices are really hoax devices, that they smell and look like a bomb but they aren't the real thing.
CNN contacted the French foreign ministry for comment. Officials there said they were looking into the matter but had no additional information.
Denise Belgrave, CNN, Atlanta.
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WHITFIELD: The war on terror was on the agenda at the White House today. President Bush met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in the Oval Office. In addition to terrorism, they discussed relations between India and Pakistan and the quest for peace in the Middle East.
Mr. Musharraf's visit comes just days after the Pakistan's army said it was pulling back from the search for Osama bin Laden near the Afghan border. President Bush praised the army's efforts and Pakistan's cooperation in the hunt for the al Qaeda leader.
CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux joins us now -- Suzanne.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fred, it really was a rare Oval Office visit on a Saturday, of course. President Bush hosting Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharaff, really, one of the most critical allies in the war on terror.
Pervez Musharraf saying that he was stopping by to thank the president and congratulate him for his election win. But of course, it was much more than a courtesy call. Both leaders talking about issues that are critical to their administrations.
Most notably, of course, is the joint role in the hunt for the elusive Osama bin Laden. It was just last month that Pakistan's military announced that it was withdrawing hundreds of its troops from a southern area in the region that borders the Afghan border, but the search -- because the search for Osama bin Laden essentially had been fruitless.
Now Mr. Bush played down any White House concern about this retreat and said, emphasizing the progress that Pakistan has made.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Quite the contrary, his army has been incredibly active and very brave in southern Waziristan, flushing out an enemy that had thought they had found safe haven. His army has suffered casualty and for that we want to thank their loved ones for the sacrifice that their family has made.
The president has been a determined leader to bring to justice not only people like Osama bin Laden, but to bring to justice those who would inflict harm and pain on his own people.
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN: We discussed terrorism in its entire complexity. And, within that, hunting every terrorist was discussed, of course. The operation against terrorists in Pakistan on our borders was discussed.
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MALVEAUX: Now, Musharaff, who has actually survived two assassination attempts and is often a target of Islamic extremists was seeking assurances from President Bush, a commitment that is crucial to Muslims around the world, that is to help with the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, to bring about a resolution. President Bush today assuring Pervez Musharraf that in fact that was one of his administration's priorities -- Fred.
WHITFIELD: Well, Suzanne, is the White House going to comment on detail of how they would try to reassure the security of Pervez Musharraf?
MALVEAUX: Well, what they did reassure is that they are going to be committed in terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In terms of security itself, as you know, there are Pakistani forces as well as U.S. forces that are in joint operations in that part of the world.
Certainly, this has been a big problem for Musharraf, but again, they also recognize this is a big risk. He has put himself out there. There is a lot of internal conflict within Pakistan. But they believe that offering him that kind of support will allow him to cooperate and work well with his neighbors.
WHITFIELD: Suzanne Malveaux, thanks, from the White House.
In Iraq, it's a risky job that's becoming ever more dangerous. The country's police officers increasingly finding themselves the targets of insurgents. More policemen were killed today in the latest string of attacks. CNN's Karl Penhaul reports from Baghdad.
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Smoke billowed skyward minutes after two car bombs explode. Seconds later, you can hear the bullets fly as insurgents trade fire with Iraqi guards manning two checkpoints into the fortified Green Zone. Iraqi officials say the main target was just opposite, a district police station. As the ambulances shuttle away the dead and injured, it's clear the police have borne the brunt of the blast. It has been a busy few days at Baghdad's Yarmuke (ph) Hospital after a wave of guerrilla strikes across the capital.
MUSHTAG TALID ALI, IRAQI POLICE OFFICER (through translator): We were standing outside when we saw the car drive up with a young man. Suddenly it exploded. It's a process that took no longer than 10 seconds and then everybody was dead in the street.
PENHAUL: Insurgents seem to be increasingly targeting Iraqi security forces instead of better equipped, better trained coalition troops. Mushtag Taild Ali joined the police just nine days ago, one of the riskiest jobs in the country right now. The pay, roughly $220 a month.
ALI (through translator): The hunger was killing my family. We have no work. What are we supposed to do, steal?
PENHAUL: He has been watching medics bandage up his wounded buddies all morning and wheeling out others who died. He says he had a premonition.
ALI (through translator): Just this morning we were thinking that something today was going to happen to us. I had a dream last night that I was passing around empty glasses. If they were full, I would have died.
PENHAUL: Ali's leg has been ripped apart. Looking at the stretchers and blood in the yard, it could have been worse. Each day since Ali began his new job, he kisses his wife good-bye and warns her he may not make it home.
ALI (through translator): I tell her that if I die, she should get married again. Where else would she go, back to her family? It is better for her to remarry.
PENHAUL: Insurgents struck elsewhere Saturday, hitting a military convoy and killing a U.S. soldier with a roadside bomb near Baquba. And another U.S. soldier was killed when rebels bombed Army trucks in east Baghdad.
(on camera): And if the countdown to the January 30th elections continues, government officials believe the resistance fighters whom they describe as desperadoes will step up their sabotage campaign.
Karl Penhaul, CNN, Baghdad.
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WHITFIELD: Today's violence wasn't limited to the Iraqi capital. There was also bloodshed in the city of Mosul. A suicide bomber pulled his vehicle alongside a bus full of Kurdish fighters, seven of the passengers were killed when the attacker detonated his explosives. U.S. and Iraqi forces have been battling insurgents in Mosul since they staged an uprising in the city last month.
Meanwhile the U.S. death toll in Iraq continues to grow, as Karl Penhaul mentioned, two U.S. solders were killed today in separate roadside bomb attacks. The deaths come one day after two U.S. soldiers were killed at the troubled border crossing between Jordan and Iraq. Five U.S. soldiers were wounded in the car bombing, 1271 U.S. troops have now died since the start of the war in Iraq.
A new investigation is under way into photographs that appear to show U.S. military personnel posing with Iraqi detainees. CNN's Kimberly Osias joins us from Washington with more details on that -- Kimberly.
KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Fredricka. Well, the photos may not show a clear case of abuse but some Navy officials say they do display poor judgment at a minimum. A preliminary investigation is now under way. Who exactly took the pictures is unclear at this point.
There are about 200 of them in all. Though only several of those are now drawing attention. Date stamps on the photos indicate May 2003, several months before the far more brutal photos from Iraq's Abu Ghraib Prison were taken.
Let's take a look at some of the photos. The one that we're going to show you first, a detainee apparently with a bloody face, you can see some blood coming down on the side there. According to the Associated Press, the pictures were placed on the Internet by the wife of a serviceman who had just returned from duty. A senior Navy official says that site is only accessible now with a password.
Another picture shows a detainee lying face up on the ground with a boot at his chest. Now exactly what does all of this mean? That's a bit difficult to say because Navy officials are still investigating the context in which the photos were taken. It is that context that's a critical distinction between this and Abu Ghraib.
Some former officials say this instance appears not to be in a prison but rather in what they call a point of capture. That means different standards apply. Even so, Navy Special Warfare Command spokesperson Jeff Bender says the matter is under investigation.
He also adds: "There are strict Navy regulations prohibiting the photographing of detainees for other than official purposes. Additionally, prior to deployment, Navy Special Warfare personnel are instructed that taking unofficial photographs of POWs and detainees is prohibited."
Experts say there are circumstances where photographing detainees is important, like for identification and documentation. Sources say if the preliminary investigations suggests criminal wrongdoing, the Navy Criminal Investigative Services will be called in. And as of yet, Fredricka, that has not happened.
WHITFIELD: OK. Kimberly Osias in Washington, thanks so much.
Rounding up suspected bombmakers in Iraq.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me where the hidden stuff is around your house, the hidden bombs -- the hidden bomb materials.
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WHITFIELD: And it's more than materials, another chilling discovery by U.S. troops.
Are some of the most recognizable athletes in sports using steroids? The man at the center of the BALCO scandal reveals what he has seen.
And in "Living Well," a doctor offers up some healthy holiday gifts for your friends and loved ones.
We'll be right back.
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WHITFIELD: Well, now to the looming steroid scandal. An attorney for baseball's Barry Bonds says the San Francisco Giants slugger did nothing illegal. CNN sports correspondent Michelle Bonner is here with the latest on the controversy.
And it's really difficult to try to determine how widespread this investigation is and how many people, particularly notable athletes, it's going to be involving.
MICHELLE BONNER, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, you just have to look at the names that have been brought in to testify in this BALCO steroid investigation. Gary Sheffield, who said, yes, I unknowingly took -- he was given something -- the Cream and the Clear. He believed it to be something other than what it was, but he told the grand jury that he unknowingly was given this. He lived with Barry Bonds for a short time and it was Barry Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, and his friend that gave him this. But he came out and said that. Jason Giambi, he came out and admitted to the grand jury that he indeed was taking steroids. But he supposedly took it a little bit further. And when you think about him, these guys were given immunity before the grand jury here. Now, this guy looked at it, saying, I better answer honestly.
Now this is supposed to be kept secret and private. So he answered honestly knowing he had immunity, but knowing that if he didn't answer honestly and it came out later, he faced a perjury charge.
But Barry Bonds has always maintained that he has never used steroids. His grand jury testimony that "The San Francisco Chronicle" is talking about is saying that Barry Bonds said that he received from his friend and personal trainer -- Greg Anderson, received a Cream and a Clear. The Clear has been come to know as...
WHITFIELD: But he kind of thought it was nutritional supplements of some sort, that's his explanation?
BONNER: Yes. He said that he was told it was flaxseed oil, which is like an omega-3 fatty acid, and he also believed the Cream to be some sort of an arthritis rubbing cream.
WHITFIELD: OK. So given that they have been granted immunity, they may not face prosecution in terms of their admitted use of these products, however, you have to wonder if this investigation is about nailing BALCO or is it about nailing or revealing who some of these high priced big name athletes are involved in this?
BONNER: This investigation is about nailing BALCO and Victor Conte, who is the head of it. It wasn't necessarily ever about nailing the athletes. If you think about it, grand jury testimony is supposed to be kept private. Somebody leaked and that is, I believe, against -- you know, a criminal offense, leaking grand jury testimony.
WHITFIELD: And so that is likely to impact a trial if it comes to that.
BONNER: Which is about Victor Conte, not the athletes. What it comes down to, the athletes, is now this is all going to be tried in the court of public opinion.
WHITFIELD: Sure.
BONNER: What the fans have to say about all of this because these athletes have maintained all along -- Barry Bonds was asked last February if he inadvertently could have possibly taken steroids. He absolutely without a doubt said, I -- no. That's what he said.
WHITFIELD: But then consequently you have to believe that the teams of these active players, if it's Barry Bonds or if it's Giambi, may have to come down on these athletes. So they may not be tried in the court but they may face something, some sort of penalty...
BONNER: Jason Giambi is facing the possibility of having his contract voided. These contracts are done up. The Yankees probably have a clause in Giambi's contract where it says any use of an illegal substance is cause for voiding that contract. It is believed that they're in the process of trying to void his -- I believe it's $82 million or $86 million remaining on it.
Barry Bonds, on the other hand, has never said, I took anything illegal. He didn't even say I inadvertently did anything illegal. So the Giants cannot do anything to Bonds based on that.
WHITFIELD: And just quickly, we are out of time. Marion Jones, even if she doesn't compete again, she doesn't necessarily have to look at possibly losing her medals because she has never tested positive.
BONNER: She has never tested positive.
WHITFIELD: Regardless of what somebody's testimony may be.
BONNER: And she remains that she didn't, and Victor Conte said that he watched her inject herself with steroids.
WHITFIELD: All right. Michelle Bonner, thanks so much.
Well, one of baseball's former power hitters has something to say about the steroids debate. Jose Conseco once estimated that nearly half of his pro-athlete colleagues were "on the juice" as he puts it. What is he saying now. He talks to CNN tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern.
And these voices are instantly recognizable. But do you know who they are really?
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WHITFIELD: That anti-school anthem that became a hit 25 years ago, it's hard to believe it was that long ago, could finally be rewarding for some of the young performers who sang in it and in that video.
And your privacy online. Spyware may be tracking every move you make. What you can do to protect yourself straight ahead.
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WHITFIELD: Here's what's happening across America now. Investigators in Houston are looking for the cause of a fiery explosion last night at a chemical plant. The factory makes waxes for paint and printing ink. The wax melted and flowing into a parking lot where firefighters were battling the blaze. Several minor injuries are being reported.
Police in Minneapolis are holding a woman who sold people what she said were flu shots at a college this week. Officers say she fled when asked for her credentials. They believe the shots may have been fake or from stolen batches of vaccine.
A homeless man in Dallas is hoping a relic from the Titanic will get him off the streets. eBay is auctioning a plate the man says he inherited from a great aunt who took it with her as escaped the sinking ship. Bidding starts at just under $50,000.
Detangling the Web is getting more complicated thanks to something called spyware. It's a way to invade your privacy online without your even knowing it. Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg explains what it is and how you can get it off your computer.
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DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: You may not know about spyware, but let's start with something you probably know way too much about, those pesky pop-up ads.
(voice-over): The pop-up ad for the X10 camera, remember that? It was among the very first pop-up ads to really sweep the Web. For a while there in 2001, it popped up again and again and again.
(on camera): Back then, such ads were pretty new. To help illustrate how things have changed, imagine that this tennis racket like the cursor or the mouse on your screen and you're trying to close down those pop-up ads.
Well, initially, there was a start of slow, steady stream, annoying but still manageable. Then along came something called spyware, little software programs that would install themselves on your computer. And pretty soon, that slow, steady stream turned into a raging flood, a torrent, if you will, of pop-up ads popping up faster than you can close them down. A little help?
(voice-over): And that's no coincidence. Most spyware is adware, as in advertisements, pop-ups designed to force you to click on them. But other versions of spyware actually track you around the Web, reporting your movements back to third parties. Some spyware even records everything you type, including sensitive information. How does this stuff get on your computer in the first place?
Well, you get it just by surfing the Web. When you visit certain sites, spyware programs insert themselves on your machine.
(on camera): So how do you know if you've got it? Well, the truth is there's no easy way to know. Look around on your desktop and you're not going to find an icon for spyware. That's because the people who make spyware don't want you to know that it's there.
(voice-over): One big tippoff that your machine has been infected is it will start to run slower, freeze up or even crash frequently. A recent study found that nine out of 10 computers connected to the Internet have been compromised with spyware lots of times. Dozens of different spyware programs are running all at the same time.
We sat down with Mark Rasch, a lawyer and computer security expert with the company Solutionary (ph) to find out more.
(on camera): Now spyware, beyond just providing all these popup ads, you're saying that it collects information, it collects what I'm typing? What do they then do with that information?
MARK RASCH, COMPUTER SECURITY EXPERT: What we have created with the Internet is this whole market economy in personal information. It's very important for me to know what are you looking at? What are you buying? What are you not buying? What time of day are you surfing? Who are you? So there's a whole marketplace for information. And so, what the spyware is trying to do is collect that information and the people who are purveying it, trying to sell it.
SIEBERG: Actually, we have been tracked online since the early days of the Web through something called a cookie. Most company Web sites use them. Here's how they work. When you visit company x's Web site, a small file gets placed on your computer called a cookie which tracks your movement on that particular Web site and remembers like the links you clicked on and how long you were there.
Now once you leave that Web site, the cookie stays on your computer. But it doesn't report back on where else you go on the Web. Not so with spyware. It can follow you anywhere.
RASCH: So here we have a computer that's acting very sluggish and we don't know why.
SIEBERG (voice-over): We turned off the spyware filter on a computer in our office, then we ran some spyware scanning software to see what it picked up.
RASCH: So we'll run one of the programs here and see how many copies of spyware we have got on this machine.
SIEBERG (on camera): How many would you guess are on there?
RASCH: I would guess -- it has been running for about a day-and- a-half, I would guess probably around a thousand.
SIEBERG: A thousand different programs for files that are all trying to generate ads and get your information?
RASCH: That's right. So so far, in less six or seven seconds, it has got 211 different objects recognized and 44 running processes.
SIEBERG: It's just overwhelming it.
RASCH: And so what people end up doing is they end up buying new computers that they don't need simply because their old computers are just filled with this gunk.
SIEBERG: All right. So you have heard what spyare can do to you. But what can you do about spyware, the part we've all been waiting for. Well, you might want to change the Web browser you're using. It turns out that most spyware programs can only run on Microsoft's Internet Explorer. Now beyond that, you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get some spyware-blocking or scanning programs. There are plenty of them out there like Adaware, Spybot, Spysweeper, also companies like Norton and McAfee have spyware upgrades for their anti-virus software. Lots to choose from. You're just going to have to search around a little.
The bottom line is that whichever one you choose, keep it updated and run it regularly, because spyware is likely here for the long haul.
Daniel Sieberg, CNN, Atlanta.
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WHITFIELD: The final act of this year's election season is playing out in Louisiana today. Voters in the Bayou State's third and seventh congressional districts are deciding the winners in two hard fought and sometimes nasty House run off races.
In Florida, a cargo plane dodged high-rise condominiums before crashing into a lake in the Miami Dade County area. The crash happened in Aventura, just a few miles east of North Miami Beach. Both people on board were able to exit the plane safely.
The chess player is finally facing check mate. Alleged drug kingpin Giberto Rodriguez Orejuela nicknamed the chess player, is now in U.S. custody. Orejuela, an alleged founder of the Cali drug cartel was extradited from Colombia late Friday.
And straight ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, suspected bomb makers rounded up in Iraq and the finding that concerns the U.S. military. Were top secrets passed to the insurgency?
And why rescuers have suspended their search for possible survivors amid a deadly landslide in China.
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WHITFIELD: A deadly weekend in Iraq, 16 people were killed in this double car bombing in Baghdad. Two U.S. soldiers were killed and six others wounded in two other roadside bombings. And on Friday, two U.S. troops killed and five wounded after a car bomb exploded at a border crossing between Iraq and Jordan.
U.S. troops in Iraq captured a man they're calling a master bomb maker. They believe the man made bombs for insurgents and helped bankroll their activities. A search of his house turned up plenty of weapons but also led to a chilling discovery. CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson has the story.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Struggling in his newly fitted flexi-cuffs, the man U.S. troops believe to be a master bomb maker, is lined up for identification.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Don't talk.
Six others also rounded up at his remote farmhouse.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: What is that other missile? ROBERTSON: Inside, a pile of seized weapons grows as does the sense that after days of poor leads, good intelligence finally paid off.
1ST SGT. JOE DALLAS, TASK FORCE OLYMPIA: It's pretty obvious that these guys were supplying and financing terrorists just by the amount of cash and weapons that they have here. For example, a site for a mortar. I mean, you don't use mortars for home defense. So -- and then, of course, the RPG launcher and this is the kind of thing we face every day.
ROBERTSON: The suspects led in to have their photos take with the evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Jackpot.
ROBERTSON: Satisfaction. They caught one of the men they believe is trying to kill them.
CAPT. ROBERT LACKEY, TASK FORCE OLYMPIA: These guys have been known IED car bomb personnel that have been operating in the AO (ph) since we've been here the last two months so it's a good score.
ROBERTSON: Then, amid a search of documents, a chilling discovery.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: That's going to north, used to work with us.
ROBERTSON: Papers indicating the suspect could have been on U.S. bases.
SGT. DON TUCKER, TASK FORCE OLYMPIA: With a weapon, a special equipment weapons card like this, we just worry about, you know, if any secrets were given to the insurgencies.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. If you cooperate now, things will be easier on you later.
ROBERTSON: Efforts to discover the suspected insurgent's secrets are stepped up.
UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: Tell me where the hidden stuff is around your house. The hidden -- the hidden bombs, the hidden bomb materials.
ROBERTSON: No clues given, only denials of involvement in the insurgency and he is marched off.
(on-camera): Actionable intelligence is what commanders say will win the battle against insurgents. This night it seems the information was both accurate and timely.
(voice-over): For the soldiers, the satisfaction of locking up people suspected of attacking them, the pay back for nights when nothing goes quite according to plan. Nic Robertson, CNN, north of Mosul, Iraq.
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WHITFIELD: In other news around the world, Manuel Noriega's attorney says the former Panamanian leader is in stable condition after suffering a mild stroke this week. Noriega is serving a sentence in a Miami area Federal prison for drug trafficking.
State-run media reporting at least 23 people dead from a landslide that hit a mountain village in southwestern China. Rescuers fear there may be more slides. So they're suspending the search for others still missing.
Emergency relief supplies are pouring into the northern Philippines after back to back storms that killed 640 people and left nearly 400 missing. The tropical storm hit the region Monday followed by a typhoon on Thursday.
Ukrainian supporters of opposition presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko are jubilant over a supreme court decision canceling last month's disputed run off vote. Downtown Kiev was one big street party last night after the court ordered a repeat run off by December 26th. Yushchenko backers and international observers contend Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych won the presidential election run off through voter fraud.
Well, they may not have needed an education, but 25 years after performing on Pink Floyd's hit song "Another Brick in the Wall," some of the back up singers have decided it's time to get paid. CNN's Jim Bolden explains.
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JIM BOLDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pink Floyd's anti- school anthem, "Another Brick in the Wall" was a big and controversial hit 25 years ago. The best selling album helped Pink Floyd amass a fortune but the school-aged singers got no money. 38-year-old Tabitha Mellor was one of the choir singers. She remembers being told their first attempt was too polished.
TABITHA MELLOR, FORMER SINGER: Sing it as if you're in a football match. We don't need no education it was, oh God.
BOLDEN: That's what I remember.
MELLOR: It was really sort of --
BOLDEN: That accent, education.
MELLOR: And we belted it out at the top of our lungs.
BOLDEN: Miller had no idea when she arrived at her London high school that day she was to make rock history. On that day, the music teacher here at Islington Green School was asked to ground up some of the choir and go off to a local recording studio to do some tracks for the new Pink Floyd album. So he gathered up about a dozen students and dashed off. With little rehearsal, the teenagers sang the tracks again and again to give the impression dozens were singing.
The singers did get tickets to a Floyd concert and a copy of the album. Now those who were there want to be paid for their time. U.K. law allows singers to claim compensation for unpaid work. There is not a lot of money at stake. They're likely to be several hundred dollars each through royalties collected from radio play. It's a principle.
STEVEN GAYDOS, VARIETY: This record is driven by the chorus. The chorus is these kids. It's their voices. It's their performance and the record then generated millions and millions of dollars.
BOLDEN: And despite the controversy, Mellor rejects the message of the song. She is now a teacher.
MELLOR: And the thought control bit, is it's quite funny because that's sort of totally not what style of teacher I'm about, getting children to think for themselves. I think that's really important.
BOLDEN: But Mellor never met Pink Floyd because the uproar from using students for the song led the school to ban them from performing it again. So other kids were hired to mime the lyrics for the music video. Jim Bolden, CNN, London.
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WHITFIELD: Well, when you think of holiday gift buying, healthy may not be the first thing that comes to mind but our Dr. Bill Lloyd has some ideas. Dr. Bill?
DR. BILL LLOYD, U. OF CAL. DAVIS: No more junk gifts. Make the switch to healthy holiday presents when CNN SATURDAY continues.
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WHITFIELD: All right. In about an hour and 15 minutes, more of CNN LIVE SATURDAY, this time with Andrea Koppel. Andrea, what's coming up?
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We got a couple of great stories. At 6:00, all the time we do stories on CNN that it's (INAUDIBLE) focused on that story. You see nothing but whatever the story is fill in the blank. And one of those stories was throughout the summer, Florida being hit by multiple hurricanes, by tropical storms. We're going to get an update from a couple of mayors who are going to tell us how their communities are doing, whether or not they got the kind of Federal aid they needed, how families are doing, the elderly. We're going to go through that.
And then at 10:00, we have obviously the big story is Barry Bonds and what he reportedly admitted to a Federal grand jury about the fact that he used this clear substance on his body, didn't realize what it was. Admitted, again, reportedly, that it was a steroid. We're going to be talking to Jose Conseco who was, as many of you remember the first professional baseball player to come out and say -- active player to say I used steroids. It's common within the world of baseball. We're going to be talking to him at 10:00.
WHITFIELD: And it's quite remarkable that he's willing to talk about it.
KOPPEL: He's got a book coming out.
WHITFIELD: How convenient.
KOPPEL: So he's pushing the book but he is going to comment and we're going to ask him about Barry Bonds and the rules of professional sports.
WHITFIELD: That's right because there are a lot of folks, you know, critics who are saying it is not just baseball. It's not just track and field. But some of these same principles can be applied to an investigation that should involve almost all professional sports.
KOPPEL: Exactly and should their records be overturned? That's a question that we're going to be asking our viewers tonight.
WHITFIELD: All right. Andrea Koppel, we'll be watching beginning at 6:00. Thanks a lot.
Well, before heading to the mall to find the perfect gift for family and friends, remember the very best gift in life is our good health. So it makes perfect sense, perhaps, to select healthy holiday presents. They can also be fun and fit any budget. Dr. Bill Lloyd, professor at the University of California Davis School of Medicine joins us with a sack full of some healthy gift ideas. Good to see you, Dr. Lloyd.
LLOYD: Happy holidays Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: Happy holidays. All right. We are talking about health. You know, things that people really could use but sometimes they can be awkward to try to think of some gifts for folks health wise because you don't want to insult anybody either.
LLOYD: You're right and during Christmas time, exchanging gifts, the perfect gift is the one that marries up your affection for the person with something that they will actually use and I have a list of very important tips that you can use when you're thinking about getting a Christmas gift for someone, particularly with a healthy emphasis.
The first thing to do is to listen for the clues. People have been telling you all year, -- if only I had somebody who would wake me up in the morning to get me out running. Well, you might buy them a pair of running sneakers with a note that says I will call you every morning for a month.
Also, knowing a person's individual hobbies or interests will direct you in the right direction. That is, don't be buying dumbbells for grandpa. Know an individual person's activity level, as well and sometimes you can get involved with them and make a two for one deal out of it. And then finally have respect for their own health concerns. Maybe you have someone in your family who is promising to stop smoking come New Year's Day. Do you know how expensive that nicotine gum really is? Why not buy them a few boxes to catapult them to a better life style in 2005?
WHITFIELD: Wow, those are all great ideas. But when you talk about wanting to really understand their hobbies and their interests, you know, say they do complain about certain ailments, they need some kind of health help but they don't really have any hobbies or interests that would direct you to something that would help their ailment. So how do you gingerly kind of approach that topic without, you know, turning someone off or insulting them?
LLOYD: Well, from people who may be sedentary or don't have a healthy life style, you still know that they want to eat. Everybody wants to eat, so you might consider getting them a healthy cookbook, like this beautiful book by Julia Child. There are many low fat, vegetarian recipes in here. But here's what makes the gift special. Prepare a meal for the person using a recipe from this book and while they enjoy the meal, you let them know that that meal and many others are in this book. So again, you combine your affection for the person with something practical that they may use every day and they can change in their healthy life for 2005.
WHITFIELD: I loved one of the examples involving you where you loved to ski. Your wife thought I want to get you something that pertains to one of your interests but you were a little hard headed about the whole skier's helmet, weren't you, until she...
LLOYD: It's a perfect word to use because I hated to get the helmet and I'm a doctor!
WHITFIELD: What's the matter with you?
LLOYD: What's the matter with me? Last Christmas, my wife bought me this beautiful ski helmet which we'll be using in Squaw Valley in just a few weeks and you know what, it is enormously practical. It will save my life particularly the way that I ski and it's something that I use and it's a wonderful symbol of affection.
WHITFIELD: And they've made those helmets so funky and cool that you go on a ski slope and it's almost as if people are clamoring for them. Everyone wants them now. All right.
LLOYD: They certainly do.
WHITFIELD: Dr. Bill Lloyd, some great suggestions on some healthy holiday ideas. Thanks a lot and have a great holiday and enjoy Squaw Valley.
LLOYD: We'll talk again soon.
WHITFIELD: OK.
Well, want to get away for the holidays but worried it's a little too late to get maybe a good deal on your airfare, for example? Our travel expert will guide you to some bargains right after the break. And from the sidelines to the front line. The battle on the gridiron today. Partners in battle tomorrow for members of the Army and Navy football teams.
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WHITFIELD: Well, if your idea of the perfect Christmas or New Year's holiday is a get away to some exotic locale, there are some great travel deals out there. Travel expert Pauline Frommer is in New York with some tips on getting the most of your holiday trip. Good to see you Pauline.
PAULINE FROMMER, BUDGET TRAVEL ONLINE: Good to see you.
WHITFIELD: All right, so still some pretty good deals. Let's start with airfare.
FROMMER: Yes. Well, every year around this time, we start to see sales. Now, these are sales for very specific days. They're the days that no one wants to travel. But if you have no other way of getting home for the holidays, you will find good prices for December 25th, December 31st and January 1st. There are a number of sales for those dates. There are also companies that want you to buy travel and give it as a stocking stuffer or as a gift to a loved one. Air Lingus is selling very, very cheap, very flexible tickets. You can actually change the name on the ticket and the dates on the ticket after the person receives the gift for travel in March and Scandinavian airlines has a remarkable sale to Scandinavia for the later winter months which will get you back and forth say to Stockholm for $249 round trip.
WHITFIELD: Wow. That's almost cheaper than what it would take to get from New York to L.A. these days.
FROMMER: Absolutely. It's a remarkable sale online only at SAS.
WHITFIELD: So I wonder with some of these deals like even on SAS, do you wait a little bit longer until they start advertising or encouraging you to take advantage of a great deal for travel on December 25th or the 31st or are they --
FROMMER: No. Don't wait. These deals are starting to disappear. For example, there's a company called gotoday.com which had a slew of great deals to Europe. Now there are just two left if you want to go for Rome for either Christmas or New Year's. It's going to cost you about $700 airfare and six nights' hotel. They have a similar one for London but it's very, very tight in terms of occupancy.
WHITFIELD: All right. And still thinking of the exotic and far away places, Ireland. What a great place, you know, to spend the holiday season.
FROMMER: Sure. Yes. As I said before, Air Lingus has a good sale there. It's actually not for the holidays though. It's for the March month. If you want to go to the Caribbean, perhaps and who doesn't, you can either look into a cruise. Such big discounters as Cruises Only and Cruise Value Centers have Carnival cruises on sale and Princess cruises on sale to the Caribbean. One thing you want to make sure is that you're going out of an American gateway because often if you're leaving from San Juan, it's hard to get airfare there at this time of year.
WHITFIELD: And when you think of the Caribbean particularly Jamaica has some great deals.
FROMMER: Yeah.
WHITFIELD: Override some the other Caribbean places. Right?
FROMMER: There's a little company called atlasvacations.net. It's run by Jamaican expats and they're sending people to Jamaica this Christmas for $879 airfare and six night's hotel which is darn good for the holidays.
WHITFIELD: So how flexible do you need to be? You mentioned traveling on the holiday itself. What other kind of other flexible or flexibilities must you have?
FROMMER: You do need to be flexible. Often you won't find great rates first thing or early in the day and late in the day. It tends to - the cheaper flights tend to be in the middle of the day. It won't work for this year but next year, when you're looking at your travel plans, try not to do -- try to do nonstop flights if you can. With global warming, we're seeing weather patterns that are more and more extreme. And so if you're flying into Chicago or one of those storm tossed airports, at this season, it's a risky thing to do particularly when so many flights are going to be overbooked.
WHITFIELD: All right. Pauline Frommer, Budget Travel Online, thanks so much.
FROMMER: Thank you.
WHITFIELD: And that's all we have time for right now but stay with CNN. Up next on PEOPLE IN THE NEWS, Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.
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