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Interview with Lawyer of Handcuffed 5-year-old Student; A Look at Last Minute Preprerations for Pope Benedict XVI

Aired April 23, 2005 - 18:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Fighting back -- the U.S. military says Iraqi citizens lead coalition forces to the suspects wanted for the deadly attack on a commercial chopper.
Also, rolling out the red carpet at the Vatican. Rome is buzzing for the upcoming inauguration of Pope Benedict XVI.

And the kindergartener in cuffs -- straight ahead, I'll interview the attorney for the mother of a 5-year-old girl who had to be restrained by police.

It is April 23rd and you're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

From CNN's global headquarters in Atlanta, I'm Carol Lin and here's what's happening right now in the news

Syria will have all of its troops out of Lebanon by tomorrow that, is what a senior Lebanese military official told the "Associated Press." Syria has been under strong pressure to end its 29-year military presence in Lebanon since the pro-Syria government there fell.

And the NFL draft is under way. The first pick in the first round was Utah quarterback Alex Smith, selected by San Francisco. He's the first Utah player ever chosen among the top five in the draft. Smith threw for 2,952 yards, with 32 touchdowns and just four interceptions.

And someone who bought a mega millions lottery ticket in Port Huron, Michigan, might be quitting their job pretty soon. That single ticket is worth about $205 million before taxes. We don't know yet who the winner is but when we find out, we're going to tell you.

In the meantime, it was about a year ago Americans first saw the shocking photos from Abu Ghraib Prison. Naked Iraqi prisoners posed in humiliating positions while American troops stood by smiling at the camera. Now, the Army has finished an investigation into the scandal. CNN's Kathleen Koch has that story.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Senior Pentagon officials say the Army probe into top level responsibility for Abu Ghraib Prison abuse has cleared the most high profile officers examined, most notable Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, also cleared his three top deputies. But a senior military official says the investigation recommends Brigadier General Janice Karpinski be punished. She was commander of the military police brigade that included the soldiers so far convicted of abuse in the case. The official says Karpinski will receive an administrative reprimand for dereliction of duty. Karpinski's lawyer says she's being made a scapegoat.

NEAL PUCKETT, MILITARY CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Most investigations indicate that there's enough blame to go around for everyone and to continue to name her as the sole source, I believe, the Army is just singling her out as a way to dispose of the whole messy situation.

KOCH: Puckett says Karpinski will fight the reprimand, appealing to the Board of Correction of Military Records. Human rights groups insist the U.S. military cannot investigate itself.

REED BRODY, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: If the United States is going to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib, there has to be an independent investigation that looks at the responsibility of all those people who ordered or who tolerated torture, no matter where they are in the chain of command.

KOCH: The White House praised the report. A spokesperson saying "the U.S. does not tolerate wrongdoing when it comes to detainees. When we find it, we act to hold those responsible to account and take steps to prevent it from happening again."

Congress promises more hearings on whether other senior officers should be held accountable.

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KOCH: The Lieutenant General Sanchez has been found innocent of any wrongdoing, it's unclear whether or not his association with the Abu Ghraib scandal will block his chances of earning a fourth star. And when it comes to the reprimand of -- for Brigadier General Karpinski, that essentially would end any chances for the advancement of her military career -- Carol.

LIN: Kathleen, so with these pending Congressional investigations, does it mean then that there's still the possibility that some of these commanding officers could be found guilty and punished?

KOCH: That possibility does certainly remain. And Carol, it's also important to remember that some of the prior reports, more than 10 that the Pentagon has done into the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal, have found some level of responsibility on the part of Lieutenant General Sanchez and some of his top deputies. So this is not over yet.

LIN: All right, Kathleen Koch live at the Pentagon. Thank you very much.

In the meantime, it was a crash Iraqi insurgents wanted the world to see, but they apparently didn't count on a local seeing them. And now thanks to the Iraqi civilian's tips, six people suspected of shooting down a helicopter near Baghdad have been detained. The U.S. military says the tipster knew where to find the pickup truck the terrorists apparently used during the attack. That information led soldiers to the suspects.

Two groups claimed responsibility for the attack two days ago. A video soon surfaced, showing the chopper in flames. The 11 people on board, including U.S. contractors, a Bulgarian crew member, or at least several crew members, and a Fijian security -- series of security guards. Insurgents found the lone survivor when they arrived at the site and a chilling video shows them interrogating the man and then shooting him to death. Now despite this and other recent attacks, the U.S. military says insurgents are getting desperate.

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COL. DAVID J. BISHOP, 3RD BRIGADE 1ST ARMORED DIVISION: I think any rise that we've seen in recent weeks it does not indicate a long- term trend. I think that over time we're still at norm or below in terms of the level of attacks.

One of the trends that we've noticed is that Iraqi insurgent attacks on U.S. forces and Iraqi security forces are increasingly becoming more and more ineffective, and unsuccessful. Although they are still scoring some lethal kills on their intended targets, they will they're becoming more and more difficult, because the Iraqi security forces are becoming better and better.

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LIN: Well, a series of explosions rocked Iraq today. The deadliest attack happened as an Iraqi army convoy was passing a village near Abu Ghraib Prison. A bomb exploded killing nine Iraqi soldiers and wounding at least 20.

Now, U.S. soldiers were also targeted today. A bomb struck a U.S. military convoy on the road to Baghdad's International Airport. One Iraqi civilian was killed and five were wounded.

Meanwhile, in Southern Iraq, a car bomb exploded near a school outside of Basra. Police say two Iraqi civilians were wounded.

And to the north, an "Associated Press" television news cameraman was killed and an AP photographer was wounded in Mosul. It happened when they were caught in the cross-fire between U.S. forces and insurgents.

Now to Vatican City. Last minute preparations are being completed for the inaugural mass of Pope Benedict XVI. Massive crowds are expected to descend on St. Peter's Square to watch the event in about nine hours. Well, the new pope spoke today to the media and our Rome bureau chief Alessio Vinci was there.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ALESSIO VINCI, CNN ROME BUREAU CHIEF (voice-over): There was a history of Germans loving Italy and now that a new pope is a German, there is one more reason to come.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm pretty excited. I was here for Easter as well, so it was the last moment to see the former pope when he gave his blessing. It was a moving moment and now it's good to come again with the sunshine and welcome the new pope, yes.

VINCI: By the tens of thousands, some faithful, some just tourists, are descending on Rome where Benedict XVI will be inaugurated on Sunday during the ceremony in St. Peter's Square.

(on camera): Sunday's mass will mark the final act of papal transition between John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. Everything is ready. Security will be tight. And for those who will not make it all the way to St. Peter's Square, they will have to watch the mass on these giant television screens.

(voice-over): Members of the media attended Pope Benedict's first general audience dedicated to journalists who traveled from a far to report on the papal transition. He was greeted by cheers and enthusiastic applause, but the new pope looked shy and uneasy about the attention he was receiving. He did not take questions from journalists and read prepared remarks in four different languages.

POPE BENEDICT XVI: I know how hard you have worked far away from your homes and families for long hours and in sometimes difficult conditions. I am aware of this candid dedication with which you have accomplished your demanding task. In my own name and especially on behalf of Catholics living far from Rome...

VINCI: Among those coming to Rome, the U.S. presidential delegation led by the president's brother, Jeb Bush.

GOV. JEB BUSH (R), FLORIDA: As a Catholic and as an American, this is a -- really a chance of a lifetime and I'm so honored to be here.

VINCI: A sentiment shared by many waiting to witness the pope's first public mass.

Alessio Vinci, CNN, at the Vatican.

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LIN: CNN is going to bring you every detail of this history- making event for the Roman Catholic Church. Our special live coverage of the inauguration mass for Pope Benedict XVI begins at 3:00 a.m. Eastern Sunday.

Well in our "World Wrap" tonight, protesters in Ecuador want to stop their ousted president from leaving the country. They have been demonstrating for four days outside the Brazilian ambassador's residence. That's where Lucio Gutierrez is holed up. Gutierrez claims his removal from office is unconstitutional. There's also a bit of a shakeup in the Italian politics, at least that arena. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi formed a new government today. Analysts say the move is an effort to appease disgruntled allies.

The leaders of Japan and China are trying to ease tensions between their countries. They held talks today in Indonesia and one of the talking points, China's belief that Japan has not appropriately opened up to its actions during World War II. That issue sparked massive anti-Japanese protests in China recently.

And why would police officers handcuff a 5-year-old girl? We're going to show you what happened.

Well, he admitted his guilt and now he's fighting death. Find out why Zacarias Moussaoui thinks he should not get the death penalty.

And still to come, is a cell phone really worth this? Yes, he's upside down. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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LIN: He is the only person in the United States to be charged in connection with the September 11 attacks. Zacarias Moussaoui pleaded guilty yesterday to all six terrorism conspiracy charges against him. But still at issue, whether he will pay the ultimate penalty for his crimes. CNN's Kelli Arena reports.

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KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The guilty plea was no surprise, but what happened after was. Moussaoui vowed to fight "every inch against the death penalty." He insisted he played no direct role in the September 11 attacks but instead was part of a different plot, to fly a plane into the White House, a plan personally approved by al Qaeda's leader, Osama bin Laden.

PAUL MCNULTY, U.S. ATTORNEY: He didn't say anything today that's inconsistent with where we have positioned ourselves in this case all along. We have alleged that he is a participant in a conspiracy, a broad conspiracy. That's what he's pled guilty to, that conspiracy included the attacks on 9/11.

ARENA: Moussaoui admits he went to U.S. flight schools to learn to use an airplane as a weapon of mass destruction eventually. His goal, the release of Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric serving a life sentence for his involvement in earlier terror plots against the U.S.

As for 9/11, Moussaoui's worst offense, as outlined by the government, was lying to FBI agents so his -- quote -- "al Qaeda brothers could go forward with their plot." In fact, he told investigators after his arrest in Minnesota that he was "training as a pilot purely for his personal enjoyment." Relatives of 9/11 victims were in court to hear the guilty plea for themselves. DOMINIC PUOPOLO, SON OF 9/11 VICTIM: This is the day I've been waiting for since September 11. I promised my mother shortly after she was murdered that I would in some way, shape or form, have justice afforded to her memory, and also the memories of our other fellow family members.

ARENA: Moussaoui berated his defense attorneys, angry that they tried to declare him mentally incompetent. Judge Leonie Brinkema said she was fully satisfied that Moussaoui is fully competent and went on to describe him as extremely intelligent. Brinkema also told Moussaoui that in the penalty phase of his trial he could argue he shouldn't face death because the government refused to allow top al Qaeda leaders in U.S custody to testify on his behalf. Moussaoui has consistently argued those detainees would help clear him of any involvement in 9/11.

(on camera): The next step in this three and a half year legal drama is for a jury to decide Moussaoui's punishment, death or life in prison without parole.

Kelli Arena, CNN, Alexandria, Virginia.

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LIN: In Spain, three al Qaeda suspects charged with helping to plan the September 11th attacks are among 24 suspected al Qaeda terrorists now on trial in Madrid. The case started yesterday. Prosecutors say two of the men helped bring together 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta and a suspected key plotter of the attacks. The third suspect is accused of videotaping the World Trade Center and other U.S. landmarks in 1997. The tapes allegedly helped al Qaeda prepare the 9/11 attacks.

Hard to believe but it's been 10 years ago this week an Oklahoma highway patrol officer was just doing his job when he pulled over a dilapidated car with no license plate. But the routine arrest would turn Officer Charlie Hanger into a hero. As Susan Candiotti reports, he goes by Sheriff Hanger now.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Perry, Oklahoma, where the police cruiser is just as likely to be a pickup truck, there's a new sheriff in town, Charlie Hanger, the man who caught Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. Here at the Comeback Cafe, where Charlie Hanger's picture hangs on the wall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He comes in here and has breakfast sometimes. He always has a sausage sandwich.

CANDIOTTI: Few are surprised it was Hanger who pulled him over. Half these people have been ticketed by Charlie, the local newspaper editor, the waitress...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I've been stopped by him before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got a warning.

CANDIOTTI: A former county official...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A little too fast, a little too heavy-footed.

CANDIOTTI: ...and his wife.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had it coming because I was speeding.

CANDIOTTI: A highway patrolman for some 30 years, Charlie Hanger once pulled over his own daughter.

SHERIFF CHARLIE HANGER, NOBLE COUNTY, OKLAHOMA: I didn't realize I was stopping her at the time. When I get her stopped, she gets out and she say, "Dad, turn those lights off. This is embarrassing."

CANDIOTTI: Everyone we talked with voted for Charlie anyway.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You will not get a ticket or he will not do anything unless you deserve it.

CANDIOTTI: An hour after the Oklahoma City bombing 10 years ago, Hanger spotted an old yellow mercury with its license plate missing.

HANGER: When I saw McVeigh that morning when he got out of the car, he looked like a young -- a clean-cut young man that had a military-type appearance. He was very polite, and everything was "yes, sir, no, sir,"

CANDIOTTI: But Hanger saw the bulge of a gun under McVeigh's jacket.

HANGER: He said "My weapon is loaded." And I nudged him a little bit with the barrel of my weapon and I said "Well, so is mine."

CANDIOTTI: The trooper booked McVeigh into the Noble County jail for carrying a concealed weapon.

HANGER: I would have ticketed him and let him go if he had not had that gun on his person.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Charlie hadn't been on the ball and noticed a license plate missing, they'd have never found McVeigh.

CANDIOTTI: Two days later, the feds discovered the man they called John Doe No. 1 was already in jail in Perry.

HANGER: Otherwise McVeigh was probably 15 to 20 minutes away from being released from the Noble County Jail. To see that individual with that solemn, almost grimace looking face, and you wonder how anyone could have committed such a horrendous crime.

CANDIOTTI: Now retired from the highway patrol, Hanger ran for election last summer.

HANGER: I won with 64 percent of the votes. Noble County Sheriff's Office.

CANDIOTTI: He goes to and from work now through an all-too- familiar door.

HANGER: Every day I'm in and out that door on the west side, where McVeigh exited it the day they took him away. It's hard not to think about that from time to time, when you walk through that door. You know, they refer to me as their local hero or whatever, and I've shunned that title because what I did that day was not heroic. It was what police officers do each and every day throughout our country and it was just a good day at work.

CANDIOTTI: Susan Candiotti, CNN, Perry, Oklahoma.

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LIN: For a closer look at the bombings, join us tonight, "CNN PRESENTS: DAY OF TERROR, REMEMBERING OKLAHOMA CITY." It airs at 8:00 Eastern. And be sure to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

But right now we're going to take you to some dramatic pictures. This just in to the CNN Center. You're looking at videotape just in of a boat fire, a 60-foot Pleasure craft on fire in South Beach. There were four people on board. They were rescued by fire and coast guard there. No word on their condition, though but clearly, something devastating happened as this boat now completely engulfed in flames. South Beach, Florida -- thanks to our affiliates for the information and pictures from WSBM.

In the meantime, we are marking the passing of an American hero. He turned his back on a football career to serve his country. One year ago this weekend, Pat Tillman made the ultimate sacrifice. Up next, we are going to show you how his legacy lives on.

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LIN: She campaigned for war victims until she became a victim herself. Today Marla Ruzicka was laid to rest in California, a week after she was killed in a car bombing in Baghdad. Ruzicka was the founder of a group that helped families who lost loved ones or property in the war in Iraq. She went door to door to meet with the wounded and played a key role in securing millions of dollars in aid. Marla Ruzicka was only 28 years old.

Now, Pat Tillman was even younger when he died on the front lines. The former football player was killed in Afghanistan a year ago, a victim of friendly fire. He is also being remembered this weekend. CNN's Steve Overmyer reports.

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STEVE OVERMYER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On Friday night, before their game against the Giants, the Arizona Diamondbacks placed a football on the mound. It was their way of honoring the one-year anniversary of Pat Tillman's death. PAT TILLMAN, KILLED BY FRIENDLY FIRE IN AFGHANISTAN: And my great grandfather was at Pearl Harbor and a lot of my family has given up -- you know has gone and fought in wars. And I really haven't done a damned thing as far as laying myself on the line like that. And so, I have a great deal of respect for those that have.

OVERMYER: Just Months after speaking those words, pat Tillman rejected a multimillion-dollar contract and the life of an NFL player to join the Army and fight the war on terror. Tillman served alongside his brother, Kevin, as a member of the Army's elite Ranger Unit. After his first tour in Iraq, the 27-year-old returned to the U.S. and could have gotten a discharge and returned to football. But Tillman had made a three-year commitment and returned for a second tour, this time in Afghanistan. It was there, near the Pakistani border, that he was killed.

Originally, the military said Tillman died during a battle with the enemy, but it was later revealed he had actually been killed by friendly fire. Despite the controversy surrounding his death, what Tillman symbolized never faded. He was more than a football player. He was a son, a brother, and a husband, who paid the ultimate price for what he believed in.

TILLMAN: I've always had a great deal of feeling for the flag, but even someone who considers themselves that way, you just don't think about it all the time. You don't realize what it gives you. You don't realize how great a life we have over here.

OVERMYER: Earlier this month, the Pat Tillman USO Center was opened in Afghanistan with the NFL providing most of the funding.

PAUL TAGLIABUE, NFL COMMISSIONER: I think you'll have men and women, servicemen and women over there in that part of the world for a long time. And as long as they're there, hopefully, that Pat Tillman USO Center will be there and they can remember him and take inspiration from him.

OVERMYER: Tillman's memory also lives on in the form of the Pat Tillman Foundation. Last week, 5,200 people took part in the inaugural Pat's Run, which raised about $150,000. The 4.2 mile race ended on the Arizona State 42 yard line, a tribute to the man, who during his college days wore No. 42, but in the hearts of many, is No. 1.

Steve Overmyer, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: In other news, here in the United States, why a little girl's temper tantrum ended with her in police handcuffs. We are going to show you what happened.

And the debate about being overweight. Do those extra pounds really take years off your life? Well, a new government report may have you scratching your head.

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LIN: Welcome back and here's a quick look at what's happening right now in the news.

The U.S. military has arrested six people suspected of shooting down a civilian chopper north of Baghdad on Thursday. Eleven people were killed, including six American contractors. Video of the apparent shoot down surfaced yesterday. It shows the chopper crash and then a survivor being shot.

The Army has cleared Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez of any wrongdoing in connection to the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal. Sanchez was the commander of the U.S. forces in Iraq at the time of the abuse. He will not face any punishment. In addition to Sanchez, three other top officers also were cleared.

A special Vietnam War reunion -- 30 years ago, Pan Am official Allen topping more -- adopted more than 60 airline employees and this allowed them to get on the last flight out of the country as Saigon fell. Today, the group reunited with laughter and tears and embraces.

From royalty to regular folks, half a million people are expected to watch Pope Benedict XVI formally inaugurated tomorrow. Florida Governor Jeb Bush is leading the U.S. delegation to the ceremony. The inaugural mass will start at 4:00 a.m. Eastern, Sunday, and last about two hours.

Now to a story where the videotape will have you shaking your head. Florida authorities are investigating how a 5-year-old girl in the midst of a temper tantrum ended up with police putting handcuffs on her. Our Tony Harris shows us how the scene unfolded.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Well, the camera was rolling as part of a self-improvement exercise for preschool children in St. Petersburg, Florida. You see a 5-year-old girl become disruptive...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're not touching you. No ma'am, we're not touching you, you don't touch me.

HARRIS: ... first throwing objects on the floor and resisting the efforts of a teacher and assistant principal to calm her down. Eventually, the girl's mother is called, but she's unable to come to the school.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop.

HARRIS: The girl begins hitting the assistant principal and the police are called.

UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: No! I don't want them on!

HARRIS: The video is stopped soon after the girl's hands are fastened behind her. Now, no charges have been filed against the 5- year-old girl, and she was released to her mother but a lawyer for the girl's parents say that police went too far and that he plans unspecified legal actions against them. Police officials have launched an internal investigation.

Tony Harris, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: An official with the Pinellas County School District is defending the actions of school officials.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did the staff do anything wrong?

RON STONE, PINELLAS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT: I don't think so. In looking at the tape, I think they did everything they could under those circumstances to deescalate the situation, to get the child under control and try to get her back to the routine.

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LIN: John Trevina is a lawyer -- the lawyer for the girl's family and he is on the telephone with me right now from Largo, Florida.

Mr. Trevina, can you hear me?

JOHN TREVINA, LAWYER FOR FAMILY: Yes, good evening, Carol.

LIN: Good evening. So what set off the little girl initially? What happened?

TREVINA: It actually started, if you can believe it, over jelly beans. The kindergarten class was doing a math exercise involving jelly beans and something happened with the beans that caused the young girl to become upset, and that's what started this whole thing.

LIN: Well, she was standing there with two teachers side by side. So was it a conversation with those teachers that set her off?

TREVINA: No. See, what happened is the class was taken out and she remained in the classroom with the two educators, and that's what you see on the videotape.

LIN: All right. So at one point, did the administrators -- the school called the mother and the mother said that she couldn't come. Why couldn't she come to get her little girl or deal with the problem?

TREVINA: Well, she's a certified nursing assistant. She was at work. She had patients to care for. She worked as quickly as she could to get to the school. All in all, it was about an hour delay that was involved.

LIN: Did the mother at any time give any authority to school officials or police or direction as to how to handle her daughter? TREVINA: Well, certainly, nothing including handcuffs.

LIN: What did she say to them? What did she say to them?

TREVINA: Well, that's one of the issues, is that she had apparently a dispute with the assistant principal. She wanted her daughter transferred from that school. That request was made before this even happened. And eventually, you know, after this, the little girl has been transferred. She's doing fine in her new school. So there was some type of personality conflict between the mother, the assistant principal and the girl. And the mother is absolutely convinced that her young daughter was targeted and that this was...

LIN: What do you mean targeted?

TREVINA: Well, that the assistant principal wanted to have her daughter subject to some form of discipline. That's why the camera was used in the fashion it was used to try to document things, apparently to try to do something punitive with the girl.

LIN: So you're saying that the school intentionally triggered this reaction by the little girl and videotaped it for their own purposes?

TREVINA: That's absolutely the mother's position. And I'm probably not even going to address that issue because what the police did is indefensible. And...

LIN: Well, how do you think they should have handled the situation?

TREVINA: Well, I think any time you have a 5-year-old having a temper tantrum, first of all -- you don't need law enforcement, four in total, three that appear on the video -- you don't need four law enforcement officers to come out and help with a 5-year-old. It's just inconceivable that that even happened.

LIN: She was hitting. I mean she was striking at one of the educators.

TREVINA: Look closely at the video. She's putting her hands out in a slapping motion. There hardly were aggressive hits and she's such a petite little girl, I don't think she could inflict much damage as any child at that age who has a tantrum does that.

LIN: So what are you doing at this point? Is there a lawsuit against either police or the school?

TREVINA: Under Florida law, we're required to give a notice of intent to sue; they have six months to respond to that at which point we can then file our lawsuit if they haven't agreed to some type of settlement. That will be the next step. And we're hoping that you know something good comes out of this besides litigation. What we're looking to do is to have the officers properly trained so they're not out there handcuffing 5 years old. I just -- I find it inconceivable that there are people in this country that believe it's appropriate where three police officers forcibly handcuff a young girl, regardless of the circumstances. But there are people that believe that.

LIN: So are you -- would you settle for administrative changes or do you think that this must end in monetary damages?

TREVINA: Well, the case is not about money. I mean, unfortunately, our system of justice is. So when we go with the civil claim that obviously has to be a component of it. But the mother's interest is not monetary. The mother's interest is one, to make sure her child's properly educated and two, to make sure that no other child is ever handcuffed in such a manner.

LIN: John Trevina, thank you very much. John Trevina representing the mother of that little girl you saw in that videotape as she was being handcuffed by three officers.

All right. Well, how damaging are those extra pounds to your health? A new government report suggests it may not be as deadly as once feared. But is that really the whole story and does that mean you don't have to lose weight? I'm going to talk with a doctor.

Plus, they were once labeled as untreatable but we are going to show you how art is now helping to free their troubled minds.

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LIN: What do you do if you're exercising regularly and vigorously but you're still not losing weight and you're still overweight? Or if you're working out, can you actually be fit and fat? Some answers now from CNN's senior medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In just 10 years, Harold Fricker went from looking like this to looking like this. He gained 13 pounds a year. No one was more surprised than Harold. After all he began every day with a morning run at 4:00 a.m. with his dogs, even a cat.

HAROLD FRICKER, OVERWEIGHT RUNNER: But there's no denying that I'm addicted to running but I think it's' a pretty healthy addiction.

GUPTA: But just how healthy is it? Is it OK to be fit and fat? Nope, not according to a new study published by the American Heart Association.

DEMETRA CHRISTOU, STUDY AUTHOR: If you're overweight or obese, you need to lose weight and decrease fat accumulation despite your fitness level.

GUPTA: That's because the excess fat in the body contributes to higher blood pressure, stiffening of the arteries, higher bad cholesterol, all of which contribute to an increased risk of heart attack or stroke no matter how many miles you can run.

(on camera): All right, so it's true that most people who have low physical activity also have high fat. But it turns out that it is important not just to be fit but to drop the pounds, especially that abdominal fat as well. Losing it can be as simple as eating 250 calories less than usual. That's approximately the equivalent of two regular sodas and you would lose 25 pounds in one year. Then to keep the weight off, it's important to exercise as well. Swimming can burn around 500 calories per hour. An hour of basketball can burn over 700 calories. Even mowing the lawn for an hour can burn 200 to 300 calorie. But given the choice between more exercise and fewer calories? Harold is learning to focus more on eating less.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: But the government seems to be challenging its own warnings about just how dangerous obesity really is. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said obesity causes nearly as many deaths as smoking. But, a report from a unit of the CDC directly contradicts that message. The National Center for Health Statistics says obesity caused 75 percent fewer deaths in 2000 than previously reported. So what's the bottom line? Can obese people relax a little bit? Let's ask Dr. Ian Smith, author of "The Take Control Diet." He's in our New York bureau today.

Dr. Smith...

DR. IAN SMITH, AUTHOR, "THE TAKE CONTROL DIET": Hey, Carol, how are you?

LIN: I'm doing just great and I am hunting for the bottom line because it seems like there are a lot of mixed messages. I mean if obese people don't have to kill themselves to lose weight, they're unlikely to want to, and the number of heart attacks among obese people has declined, so what's the message there?

SMITH: Well, let's not lose the leader on this. The bottom line is regardless of what this study says -- and it's a very difficult and sophisticated study -- but regardless of what it says, in no way shape or form is it healthier to be slightly overweight than to be normal weight. There is no doubt about it, that being overweight presents all types of physical problems, including cardiovascular disease, diabetes, blood pressure, blood vessel disease. So let's not be mistaken here. You do not want people to be overweight. This is a very complicated study that deals with a lot of very sophisticated statistics which sometimes are very difficult to interpret and that's why all the confusion.

LIN: But some of the confusion simply is that there are better drugs out there, Dr. Smith, you know. I mean there are better drugs for people who have heart problems or high blood pressure. Can those issues be controlled if the person does not lose the weight?

SMITH: Well, that may be one of the reasons why this study is showing that people who are slightly overweight are not dying at the rate that they were dying before. Not because being overweight is healthy but because now with advanced treatments, advanced medications, advanced screening methods, we're able to intervene at an earlier stage and bring more resolution to the illness and control it better than we were before. So let's not get confused here. It's not that people who are just a little bit overweight are living longer. It's that we're doing a better job of finding what illnesses are a result of their obesity and treating it.

LIN: How do you know if you're a little bit overweight? I mean what's -- what is it, an extra five, 10 pounds over your weight average? I mean how do you know?

SMITH: Well, we've changed now to how we define overweightness per say. We now using something called the body mass index, also called the BMI. Typically, normal weight is a number you calculate by using your height and your weight, and typically the number between 18.5 and less than 25 is considered to be normal weight. Anywhere from 25 and less than 30 is considered to be overweight. Then 30 to 35, of course, is considered to be obese, and the obesity levels are divided into three different stages.

But what is more important is not just where your weight is but it's how you carry your weight, as the earlier piece mentioned. And those who have a large, protruding abdomen also called an apple shape tend to have higher risk factors for cardiovascular diseases and other types of diseases.

But I want to make this point, also, Carol, this study, OK, is one study of many.

LIN: OK.

SMITH: There have been two other studies that have shown that there are different numbers that are attributed -- death numbers attributed to obesity. So there are inherent problems in trying to figure this number out in general.

LIN: Right.

SMITH: In no way, shape or form should the media or anyone else draw any conclusions from a study that is purely a statistical study.

LIN: All right, got the message. Dr. Ian Smith, thanks so much.

SMITH: Good seeing you.

LIN: Well, art therapy classes for some of New York most vulnerable painters is revealing something remarkable, they're homeless people living in a former hospital that's been converted into a shelter. CNN is the first to go inside. Our Alina Cho reports on the program's impact.

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ANNE TANNEBAUM, ART THERAPY TEACHER: Maybe what you could do...

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's called art therapy, heavy on the therapy.

TANNEBAUM: I never saw you do anything like this before.

CHO: Teacher, Anne Tannebaum admits it's not really about the art.

TANNEBAUM: I think that what I do during any given day is much more like creating an opportunity for someone to grow or express themselves.

CHO: Take 67-year-old Robert O'Malley.

TANNEBAUM: Did you choose those colors for any particular reason?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I'm the type that likes bright colors even in the house, even my clothes. Everything's got to be bright.

TANNEBAUM: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it's dull, I don't like it.

CHO: Robert says creating art is pure freedom, something he doesn't feel in life, especially with people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't talk to them the way you'd like to talk to them.

CHO: The same is true for David Rosenthal. He's 58. David says this painting is about coming together.

(on camera): Why was that important for to you show that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because this is sort of what's going on in my head. I still have to go on and still have to get things together.

CHO (voice-over): Art therapy helps them do that.

TANNEBAUM: When one of our clients is able to sit down and create something, it's, you know, from within. It's here's a piece of me. Here's something I can say, you know, so I think it's a way for them to get hold of an identity.

CHO: Those who live at the homeless shelter, which used to be a mental ward, suffer from illnesses like schizophrenia and post traumatic stress disorder. The shelter is a last resort.

TANNEBAUM: Put yourself in their shoes. I mean they've reached the point where they don't have a home.

CHO: The art therapy class is a rare treat. Most shelters don't have the budget for it. A walk through the halls here is like seeing a mosaic of emotions. Tanenbaum said some of the artwork is gallery quality while others more elementary. This painting is chaotic from a distance but at close range there's an oasis. TANNEBAUM: There's a beautiful little house in there with a stream and trees. And you know, I like to think that the client felt that the world was kind of this big, messy place but inside there was this little spot that's home.

CHO: Ron Soram (ph), who suffers from PTSD, grew up on a Minnesota farm, surrounded by animals. His art reflects that.

(on camera): You could do without the people?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I love people, too, but I'm very introverted, and I can deal with animals a lot better than I can with people.

CHO: Because they don't talk back?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. That's one big thing.

CHO (voice-over): Anne says in some ways, she gets more out of the class than her students do.

TANNEBAUM: They're interesting in some ways, extremely generous, you know sharing their lives. And being in this vulnerable position, it's just a powerful thing to come in and be, you know, be part of that.

CHO: Alina Cho, CNN, New York.

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LIN: Well, it's a tale one Australian won't soon forget. After the break, the story of a lost cell phone, a sticky garbage can and one embarrassed teen.

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LIN: Well, higher prices at the pump have many Americans looking to cut costs elsewhere in their budgets. And one family in California has turned to the power of the sun. Peter Viles explains.

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PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Meet Dan Mirasola, old school energy hog. There's an RV in his backyard and not one, not two, but three big trucks out front, and yes, that's a Harley by the three-car garage.

DAN MIRASOLA, SOLAR HOMEOWNER: I pay like $600 a month for gas for my trucks. I hate that.

VILES: And then there's the house, a 6,000 square foot mansion with central air that eats about $9,000 worth of electricity in a year.

(on camera): Were you looking at your power bills and going this is out of control? MIRASOLA: Oh, I was dying. An $800 bill! You know it was like -- it was just murder.

VILES (voice-over): So Dan and his wife did the smart thing. They installed solar panels on the roof. Suddenly those $800 bills dropped to less than $100 a month.

MIRASOLA: Well, for the first two months, Edison kept coming out here with criminal people thinking we were stealing, so...

VILES: They're not stealing power. They're making it, even on a cloudy day, look closely. The electrical meter is spinning backwards. That means the Mirasolas are producing more power than they're using.

(on camera): So what's happening to that electricity. You're giving it back to them?

MIRASOLA: Yes, my neighbors are using it right now kind of thing, you know.

VILES: Solar made sense on this house because of the combination of factors, temporary rebates and tax credits, and soaring energy costs.

THOMAS BALL, SOLAR ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS: People never used to talk about their utility rates. They used to be 10, 15, 20, $30 a month. Now it's not uncommon to see people's electrical rates be 200, three, $400 a month.

VILES: California's governor is pushing to put solar panels on a million California rooftops.

GOV. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R), CALIFORNIA: And it's good for taxpayers, and it's good for businesses and it is great for the environment.

VILES: After rebates, Dan Mirasola paid roughly $38,000 for his solar system and figures it will pay for itself in four more years.

MIRASOLA: Because I'm looking forward to in four more years to having free electricity. You know that's cool.

VILES: Now, if only Detroit could make him an electric-powered pickup truck.

Peter Viles for CNN, Los Angeles.

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LIN: Cell phones, seems like we can't leave the house without them, but just how far would you go to get your cell phone back? John, that's how we're going to leave it, an 18-year-old Australian bar hopper went head over heels into a trash bin when a friend threw his phone in the garbage. The trouble was once John got in, he couldn't get out. The comical sight drew quite a crowd as firefighters struggled to free him from the stinky prison. After 45 minutes, they finally cut the can apart, freeing John and his phone.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I think I'm going to get stuck in something cleaner next time.

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LIN: All right, there you go. Man and phone reunited.

That's all the time we have for this hour. Coming up next, 'THE CAPITAL GANG." And then at 8:00 Eastern on "CNN PRESENTS: DAY OF TERROR, REMEMBERING OKLAHOMA CITY." And at 9:00, an encore presentation of "LARRY KING LIVE." And I'll be back at 10:00 Eastern and I'll be talking with Lance Armstrong's mom about her son's retirement and a whole lot more.

We'll have a check of the hour's headlines right after a break.

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LIN: Good evening, I'm Carol Lin. "THE CAPITAL GANG" in just a moment, but first a look at what's happening right now in the news.

The U.S. military has arrested six people suspected of shooting down a civilian chopper north of Baghdad. Six American contractors were among the 11 people killed. Video of the apparent shoot-down shows the...

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Fighting back -- the U.S. military says Iraqi citizens lead coalition forces to the suspects wanted for the deadly attack on a commercial chopper.
Also, rolling out the red carpet at the Vatican. Rome is buzzing for the upcoming inauguration of Pope Benedict XVI.

And the kindergartener in cuffs -- straight ahead, I'll interview the attorney for the mother of a 5-year-old girl who had to be restrained by police.

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From CNN's global headquarters in Atlanta, I'm Carol Lin and here's what's happening right now in the news

Syria will have all of its troops out of Lebanon by tomorrow that, is what a senior Lebanese military official told the "Associated Press." Syria has been under strong pressure to end its 29-year military presence in Lebanon since the pro-Syria government there fell.

And the NFL draft is under way. The first pick in the first round was Utah quarterback Alex Smith, selected by San Francisco. He's the first Utah player ever chosen among the top five in the draft. Smith threw for 2,952 yards, with 32 touchdowns and just four interceptions.

And someone who bought a mega millions lottery ticket in Port Huron, Michigan, might be quitting their job pretty soon. That single ticket is worth about $205 million before taxes. We don't know yet who the winner is but when we find out, we're going to tell you.

In the meantime, it was about a year ago Americans first saw the shocking photos from Abu Ghraib Prison. Naked Iraqi prisoners posed in humiliating positions while American troops stood by smiling at the camera. Now, the Army has finished an investigation into the scandal. CNN's Kathleen Koch has that story.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Senior Pentagon officials say the Army probe into top level responsibility for Abu Ghraib Prison abuse has cleared the most high profile officers examined, most notable Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, also cleared his three top deputies. But a senior military official says the investigation recommends Brigadier General Janice Karpinski be punished. She was commander of the military police brigade that included the soldiers so far convicted of abuse in the case. The official says Karpinski will receive an administrative reprimand for dereliction of duty. Karpinski's lawyer says she's being made a scapegoat.

NEAL PUCKETT, MILITARY CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Most investigations indicate that there's enough blame to go around for everyone and to continue to name her as the sole source, I believe, the Army is just singling her out as a way to dispose of the whole messy situation.

KOCH: Puckett says Karpinski will fight the reprimand, appealing to the Board of Correction of Military Records. Human rights groups insist the U.S. military cannot investigate itself.

REED BRODY, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: If the United States is going to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib, there has to be an independent investigation that looks at the responsibility of all those people who ordered or who tolerated torture, no matter where they are in the chain of command.

KOCH: The White House praised the report. A spokesperson saying "the U.S. does not tolerate wrongdoing when it comes to detainees. When we find it, we act to hold those responsible to account and take steps to prevent it from happening again."

Congress promises more hearings on whether other senior officers should be held accountable.

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KOCH: The Lieutenant General Sanchez has been found innocent of any wrongdoing, it's unclear whether or not his association with the Abu Ghraib scandal will block his chances of earning a fourth star. And when it comes to the reprimand of -- for Brigadier General Karpinski, that essentially would end any chances for the advancement of her military career -- Carol.

LIN: Kathleen, so with these pending Congressional investigations, does it mean then that there's still the possibility that some of these commanding officers could be found guilty and punished?

KOCH: That possibility does certainly remain. And Carol, it's also important to remember that some of the prior reports, more than 10 that the Pentagon has done into the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal, have found some level of responsibility on the part of Lieutenant General Sanchez and some of his top deputies. So this is not over yet.

LIN: All right, Kathleen Koch live at the Pentagon. Thank you very much.

In the meantime, it was a crash Iraqi insurgents wanted the world to see, but they apparently didn't count on a local seeing them. And now thanks to the Iraqi civilian's tips, six people suspected of shooting down a helicopter near Baghdad have been detained. The U.S. military says the tipster knew where to find the pickup truck the terrorists apparently used during the attack. That information led soldiers to the suspects.

Two groups claimed responsibility for the attack two days ago. A video soon surfaced, showing the chopper in flames. The 11 people on board, including U.S. contractors, a Bulgarian crew member, or at least several crew members, and a Fijian security -- series of security guards. Insurgents found the lone survivor when they arrived at the site and a chilling video shows them interrogating the man and then shooting him to death. Now despite this and other recent attacks, the U.S. military says insurgents are getting desperate.

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COL. DAVID J. BISHOP, 3RD BRIGADE 1ST ARMORED DIVISION: I think any rise that we've seen in recent weeks it does not indicate a long- term trend. I think that over time we're still at norm or below in terms of the level of attacks.

One of the trends that we've noticed is that Iraqi insurgent attacks on U.S. forces and Iraqi security forces are increasingly becoming more and more ineffective, and unsuccessful. Although they are still scoring some lethal kills on their intended targets, they will they're becoming more and more difficult, because the Iraqi security forces are becoming better and better.

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LIN: Well, a series of explosions rocked Iraq today. The deadliest attack happened as an Iraqi army convoy was passing a village near Abu Ghraib Prison. A bomb exploded killing nine Iraqi soldiers and wounding at least 20.

Now, U.S. soldiers were also targeted today. A bomb struck a U.S. military convoy on the road to Baghdad's International Airport. One Iraqi civilian was killed and five were wounded.

Meanwhile, in Southern Iraq, a car bomb exploded near a school outside of Basra. Police say two Iraqi civilians were wounded.

And to the north, an "Associated Press" television news cameraman was killed and an AP photographer was wounded in Mosul. It happened when they were caught in the cross-fire between U.S. forces and insurgents.

Now to Vatican City. Last minute preparations are being completed for the inaugural mass of Pope Benedict XVI. Massive crowds are expected to descend on St. Peter's Square to watch the event in about nine hours. Well, the new pope spoke today to the media and our Rome bureau chief Alessio Vinci was there.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ALESSIO VINCI, CNN ROME BUREAU CHIEF (voice-over): There was a history of Germans loving Italy and now that a new pope is a German, there is one more reason to come.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm pretty excited. I was here for Easter as well, so it was the last moment to see the former pope when he gave his blessing. It was a moving moment and now it's good to come again with the sunshine and welcome the new pope, yes.

VINCI: By the tens of thousands, some faithful, some just tourists, are descending on Rome where Benedict XVI will be inaugurated on Sunday during the ceremony in St. Peter's Square.

(on camera): Sunday's mass will mark the final act of papal transition between John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. Everything is ready. Security will be tight. And for those who will not make it all the way to St. Peter's Square, they will have to watch the mass on these giant television screens.

(voice-over): Members of the media attended Pope Benedict's first general audience dedicated to journalists who traveled from a far to report on the papal transition. He was greeted by cheers and enthusiastic applause, but the new pope looked shy and uneasy about the attention he was receiving. He did not take questions from journalists and read prepared remarks in four different languages.

POPE BENEDICT XVI: I know how hard you have worked far away from your homes and families for long hours and in sometimes difficult conditions. I am aware of this candid dedication with which you have accomplished your demanding task. In my own name and especially on behalf of Catholics living far from Rome...

VINCI: Among those coming to Rome, the U.S. presidential delegation led by the president's brother, Jeb Bush.

GOV. JEB BUSH (R), FLORIDA: As a Catholic and as an American, this is a -- really a chance of a lifetime and I'm so honored to be here.

VINCI: A sentiment shared by many waiting to witness the pope's first public mass.

Alessio Vinci, CNN, at the Vatican.

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LIN: CNN is going to bring you every detail of this history- making event for the Roman Catholic Church. Our special live coverage of the inauguration mass for Pope Benedict XVI begins at 3:00 a.m. Eastern Sunday.

Well in our "World Wrap" tonight, protesters in Ecuador want to stop their ousted president from leaving the country. They have been demonstrating for four days outside the Brazilian ambassador's residence. That's where Lucio Gutierrez is holed up. Gutierrez claims his removal from office is unconstitutional. There's also a bit of a shakeup in the Italian politics, at least that arena. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi formed a new government today. Analysts say the move is an effort to appease disgruntled allies.

The leaders of Japan and China are trying to ease tensions between their countries. They held talks today in Indonesia and one of the talking points, China's belief that Japan has not appropriately opened up to its actions during World War II. That issue sparked massive anti-Japanese protests in China recently.

And why would police officers handcuff a 5-year-old girl? We're going to show you what happened.

Well, he admitted his guilt and now he's fighting death. Find out why Zacarias Moussaoui thinks he should not get the death penalty.

And still to come, is a cell phone really worth this? Yes, he's upside down. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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LIN: He is the only person in the United States to be charged in connection with the September 11 attacks. Zacarias Moussaoui pleaded guilty yesterday to all six terrorism conspiracy charges against him. But still at issue, whether he will pay the ultimate penalty for his crimes. CNN's Kelli Arena reports.

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KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The guilty plea was no surprise, but what happened after was. Moussaoui vowed to fight "every inch against the death penalty." He insisted he played no direct role in the September 11 attacks but instead was part of a different plot, to fly a plane into the White House, a plan personally approved by al Qaeda's leader, Osama bin Laden.

PAUL MCNULTY, U.S. ATTORNEY: He didn't say anything today that's inconsistent with where we have positioned ourselves in this case all along. We have alleged that he is a participant in a conspiracy, a broad conspiracy. That's what he's pled guilty to, that conspiracy included the attacks on 9/11.

ARENA: Moussaoui admits he went to U.S. flight schools to learn to use an airplane as a weapon of mass destruction eventually. His goal, the release of Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric serving a life sentence for his involvement in earlier terror plots against the U.S.

As for 9/11, Moussaoui's worst offense, as outlined by the government, was lying to FBI agents so his -- quote -- "al Qaeda brothers could go forward with their plot." In fact, he told investigators after his arrest in Minnesota that he was "training as a pilot purely for his personal enjoyment." Relatives of 9/11 victims were in court to hear the guilty plea for themselves. DOMINIC PUOPOLO, SON OF 9/11 VICTIM: This is the day I've been waiting for since September 11. I promised my mother shortly after she was murdered that I would in some way, shape or form, have justice afforded to her memory, and also the memories of our other fellow family members.

ARENA: Moussaoui berated his defense attorneys, angry that they tried to declare him mentally incompetent. Judge Leonie Brinkema said she was fully satisfied that Moussaoui is fully competent and went on to describe him as extremely intelligent. Brinkema also told Moussaoui that in the penalty phase of his trial he could argue he shouldn't face death because the government refused to allow top al Qaeda leaders in U.S custody to testify on his behalf. Moussaoui has consistently argued those detainees would help clear him of any involvement in 9/11.

(on camera): The next step in this three and a half year legal drama is for a jury to decide Moussaoui's punishment, death or life in prison without parole.

Kelli Arena, CNN, Alexandria, Virginia.

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LIN: In Spain, three al Qaeda suspects charged with helping to plan the September 11th attacks are among 24 suspected al Qaeda terrorists now on trial in Madrid. The case started yesterday. Prosecutors say two of the men helped bring together 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta and a suspected key plotter of the attacks. The third suspect is accused of videotaping the World Trade Center and other U.S. landmarks in 1997. The tapes allegedly helped al Qaeda prepare the 9/11 attacks.

Hard to believe but it's been 10 years ago this week an Oklahoma highway patrol officer was just doing his job when he pulled over a dilapidated car with no license plate. But the routine arrest would turn Officer Charlie Hanger into a hero. As Susan Candiotti reports, he goes by Sheriff Hanger now.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Perry, Oklahoma, where the police cruiser is just as likely to be a pickup truck, there's a new sheriff in town, Charlie Hanger, the man who caught Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. Here at the Comeback Cafe, where Charlie Hanger's picture hangs on the wall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He comes in here and has breakfast sometimes. He always has a sausage sandwich.

CANDIOTTI: Few are surprised it was Hanger who pulled him over. Half these people have been ticketed by Charlie, the local newspaper editor, the waitress...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I've been stopped by him before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got a warning.

CANDIOTTI: A former county official...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A little too fast, a little too heavy-footed.

CANDIOTTI: ...and his wife.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had it coming because I was speeding.

CANDIOTTI: A highway patrolman for some 30 years, Charlie Hanger once pulled over his own daughter.

SHERIFF CHARLIE HANGER, NOBLE COUNTY, OKLAHOMA: I didn't realize I was stopping her at the time. When I get her stopped, she gets out and she say, "Dad, turn those lights off. This is embarrassing."

CANDIOTTI: Everyone we talked with voted for Charlie anyway.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You will not get a ticket or he will not do anything unless you deserve it.

CANDIOTTI: An hour after the Oklahoma City bombing 10 years ago, Hanger spotted an old yellow mercury with its license plate missing.

HANGER: When I saw McVeigh that morning when he got out of the car, he looked like a young -- a clean-cut young man that had a military-type appearance. He was very polite, and everything was "yes, sir, no, sir,"

CANDIOTTI: But Hanger saw the bulge of a gun under McVeigh's jacket.

HANGER: He said "My weapon is loaded." And I nudged him a little bit with the barrel of my weapon and I said "Well, so is mine."

CANDIOTTI: The trooper booked McVeigh into the Noble County jail for carrying a concealed weapon.

HANGER: I would have ticketed him and let him go if he had not had that gun on his person.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Charlie hadn't been on the ball and noticed a license plate missing, they'd have never found McVeigh.

CANDIOTTI: Two days later, the feds discovered the man they called John Doe No. 1 was already in jail in Perry.

HANGER: Otherwise McVeigh was probably 15 to 20 minutes away from being released from the Noble County Jail. To see that individual with that solemn, almost grimace looking face, and you wonder how anyone could have committed such a horrendous crime.

CANDIOTTI: Now retired from the highway patrol, Hanger ran for election last summer.

HANGER: I won with 64 percent of the votes. Noble County Sheriff's Office.

CANDIOTTI: He goes to and from work now through an all-too- familiar door.

HANGER: Every day I'm in and out that door on the west side, where McVeigh exited it the day they took him away. It's hard not to think about that from time to time, when you walk through that door. You know, they refer to me as their local hero or whatever, and I've shunned that title because what I did that day was not heroic. It was what police officers do each and every day throughout our country and it was just a good day at work.

CANDIOTTI: Susan Candiotti, CNN, Perry, Oklahoma.

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LIN: For a closer look at the bombings, join us tonight, "CNN PRESENTS: DAY OF TERROR, REMEMBERING OKLAHOMA CITY." It airs at 8:00 Eastern. And be sure to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

But right now we're going to take you to some dramatic pictures. This just in to the CNN Center. You're looking at videotape just in of a boat fire, a 60-foot Pleasure craft on fire in South Beach. There were four people on board. They were rescued by fire and coast guard there. No word on their condition, though but clearly, something devastating happened as this boat now completely engulfed in flames. South Beach, Florida -- thanks to our affiliates for the information and pictures from WSBM.

In the meantime, we are marking the passing of an American hero. He turned his back on a football career to serve his country. One year ago this weekend, Pat Tillman made the ultimate sacrifice. Up next, we are going to show you how his legacy lives on.

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LIN: She campaigned for war victims until she became a victim herself. Today Marla Ruzicka was laid to rest in California, a week after she was killed in a car bombing in Baghdad. Ruzicka was the founder of a group that helped families who lost loved ones or property in the war in Iraq. She went door to door to meet with the wounded and played a key role in securing millions of dollars in aid. Marla Ruzicka was only 28 years old.

Now, Pat Tillman was even younger when he died on the front lines. The former football player was killed in Afghanistan a year ago, a victim of friendly fire. He is also being remembered this weekend. CNN's Steve Overmyer reports.

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STEVE OVERMYER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On Friday night, before their game against the Giants, the Arizona Diamondbacks placed a football on the mound. It was their way of honoring the one-year anniversary of Pat Tillman's death. PAT TILLMAN, KILLED BY FRIENDLY FIRE IN AFGHANISTAN: And my great grandfather was at Pearl Harbor and a lot of my family has given up -- you know has gone and fought in wars. And I really haven't done a damned thing as far as laying myself on the line like that. And so, I have a great deal of respect for those that have.

OVERMYER: Just Months after speaking those words, pat Tillman rejected a multimillion-dollar contract and the life of an NFL player to join the Army and fight the war on terror. Tillman served alongside his brother, Kevin, as a member of the Army's elite Ranger Unit. After his first tour in Iraq, the 27-year-old returned to the U.S. and could have gotten a discharge and returned to football. But Tillman had made a three-year commitment and returned for a second tour, this time in Afghanistan. It was there, near the Pakistani border, that he was killed.

Originally, the military said Tillman died during a battle with the enemy, but it was later revealed he had actually been killed by friendly fire. Despite the controversy surrounding his death, what Tillman symbolized never faded. He was more than a football player. He was a son, a brother, and a husband, who paid the ultimate price for what he believed in.

TILLMAN: I've always had a great deal of feeling for the flag, but even someone who considers themselves that way, you just don't think about it all the time. You don't realize what it gives you. You don't realize how great a life we have over here.

OVERMYER: Earlier this month, the Pat Tillman USO Center was opened in Afghanistan with the NFL providing most of the funding.

PAUL TAGLIABUE, NFL COMMISSIONER: I think you'll have men and women, servicemen and women over there in that part of the world for a long time. And as long as they're there, hopefully, that Pat Tillman USO Center will be there and they can remember him and take inspiration from him.

OVERMYER: Tillman's memory also lives on in the form of the Pat Tillman Foundation. Last week, 5,200 people took part in the inaugural Pat's Run, which raised about $150,000. The 4.2 mile race ended on the Arizona State 42 yard line, a tribute to the man, who during his college days wore No. 42, but in the hearts of many, is No. 1.

Steve Overmyer, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: In other news, here in the United States, why a little girl's temper tantrum ended with her in police handcuffs. We are going to show you what happened.

And the debate about being overweight. Do those extra pounds really take years off your life? Well, a new government report may have you scratching your head.

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LIN: Welcome back and here's a quick look at what's happening right now in the news.

The U.S. military has arrested six people suspected of shooting down a civilian chopper north of Baghdad on Thursday. Eleven people were killed, including six American contractors. Video of the apparent shoot down surfaced yesterday. It shows the chopper crash and then a survivor being shot.

The Army has cleared Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez of any wrongdoing in connection to the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal. Sanchez was the commander of the U.S. forces in Iraq at the time of the abuse. He will not face any punishment. In addition to Sanchez, three other top officers also were cleared.

A special Vietnam War reunion -- 30 years ago, Pan Am official Allen topping more -- adopted more than 60 airline employees and this allowed them to get on the last flight out of the country as Saigon fell. Today, the group reunited with laughter and tears and embraces.

From royalty to regular folks, half a million people are expected to watch Pope Benedict XVI formally inaugurated tomorrow. Florida Governor Jeb Bush is leading the U.S. delegation to the ceremony. The inaugural mass will start at 4:00 a.m. Eastern, Sunday, and last about two hours.

Now to a story where the videotape will have you shaking your head. Florida authorities are investigating how a 5-year-old girl in the midst of a temper tantrum ended up with police putting handcuffs on her. Our Tony Harris shows us how the scene unfolded.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Well, the camera was rolling as part of a self-improvement exercise for preschool children in St. Petersburg, Florida. You see a 5-year-old girl become disruptive...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're not touching you. No ma'am, we're not touching you, you don't touch me.

HARRIS: ... first throwing objects on the floor and resisting the efforts of a teacher and assistant principal to calm her down. Eventually, the girl's mother is called, but she's unable to come to the school.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop.

HARRIS: The girl begins hitting the assistant principal and the police are called.

UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: No! I don't want them on!

HARRIS: The video is stopped soon after the girl's hands are fastened behind her. Now, no charges have been filed against the 5- year-old girl, and she was released to her mother but a lawyer for the girl's parents say that police went too far and that he plans unspecified legal actions against them. Police officials have launched an internal investigation.

Tony Harris, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: An official with the Pinellas County School District is defending the actions of school officials.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did the staff do anything wrong?

RON STONE, PINELLAS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT: I don't think so. In looking at the tape, I think they did everything they could under those circumstances to deescalate the situation, to get the child under control and try to get her back to the routine.

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LIN: John Trevina is a lawyer -- the lawyer for the girl's family and he is on the telephone with me right now from Largo, Florida.

Mr. Trevina, can you hear me?

JOHN TREVINA, LAWYER FOR FAMILY: Yes, good evening, Carol.

LIN: Good evening. So what set off the little girl initially? What happened?

TREVINA: It actually started, if you can believe it, over jelly beans. The kindergarten class was doing a math exercise involving jelly beans and something happened with the beans that caused the young girl to become upset, and that's what started this whole thing.

LIN: Well, she was standing there with two teachers side by side. So was it a conversation with those teachers that set her off?

TREVINA: No. See, what happened is the class was taken out and she remained in the classroom with the two educators, and that's what you see on the videotape.

LIN: All right. So at one point, did the administrators -- the school called the mother and the mother said that she couldn't come. Why couldn't she come to get her little girl or deal with the problem?

TREVINA: Well, she's a certified nursing assistant. She was at work. She had patients to care for. She worked as quickly as she could to get to the school. All in all, it was about an hour delay that was involved.

LIN: Did the mother at any time give any authority to school officials or police or direction as to how to handle her daughter? TREVINA: Well, certainly, nothing including handcuffs.

LIN: What did she say to them? What did she say to them?

TREVINA: Well, that's one of the issues, is that she had apparently a dispute with the assistant principal. She wanted her daughter transferred from that school. That request was made before this even happened. And eventually, you know, after this, the little girl has been transferred. She's doing fine in her new school. So there was some type of personality conflict between the mother, the assistant principal and the girl. And the mother is absolutely convinced that her young daughter was targeted and that this was...

LIN: What do you mean targeted?

TREVINA: Well, that the assistant principal wanted to have her daughter subject to some form of discipline. That's why the camera was used in the fashion it was used to try to document things, apparently to try to do something punitive with the girl.

LIN: So you're saying that the school intentionally triggered this reaction by the little girl and videotaped it for their own purposes?

TREVINA: That's absolutely the mother's position. And I'm probably not even going to address that issue because what the police did is indefensible. And...

LIN: Well, how do you think they should have handled the situation?

TREVINA: Well, I think any time you have a 5-year-old having a temper tantrum, first of all -- you don't need law enforcement, four in total, three that appear on the video -- you don't need four law enforcement officers to come out and help with a 5-year-old. It's just inconceivable that that even happened.

LIN: She was hitting. I mean she was striking at one of the educators.

TREVINA: Look closely at the video. She's putting her hands out in a slapping motion. There hardly were aggressive hits and she's such a petite little girl, I don't think she could inflict much damage as any child at that age who has a tantrum does that.

LIN: So what are you doing at this point? Is there a lawsuit against either police or the school?

TREVINA: Under Florida law, we're required to give a notice of intent to sue; they have six months to respond to that at which point we can then file our lawsuit if they haven't agreed to some type of settlement. That will be the next step. And we're hoping that you know something good comes out of this besides litigation. What we're looking to do is to have the officers properly trained so they're not out there handcuffing 5 years old. I just -- I find it inconceivable that there are people in this country that believe it's appropriate where three police officers forcibly handcuff a young girl, regardless of the circumstances. But there are people that believe that.

LIN: So are you -- would you settle for administrative changes or do you think that this must end in monetary damages?

TREVINA: Well, the case is not about money. I mean, unfortunately, our system of justice is. So when we go with the civil claim that obviously has to be a component of it. But the mother's interest is not monetary. The mother's interest is one, to make sure her child's properly educated and two, to make sure that no other child is ever handcuffed in such a manner.

LIN: John Trevina, thank you very much. John Trevina representing the mother of that little girl you saw in that videotape as she was being handcuffed by three officers.

All right. Well, how damaging are those extra pounds to your health? A new government report suggests it may not be as deadly as once feared. But is that really the whole story and does that mean you don't have to lose weight? I'm going to talk with a doctor.

Plus, they were once labeled as untreatable but we are going to show you how art is now helping to free their troubled minds.

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LIN: What do you do if you're exercising regularly and vigorously but you're still not losing weight and you're still overweight? Or if you're working out, can you actually be fit and fat? Some answers now from CNN's senior medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In just 10 years, Harold Fricker went from looking like this to looking like this. He gained 13 pounds a year. No one was more surprised than Harold. After all he began every day with a morning run at 4:00 a.m. with his dogs, even a cat.

HAROLD FRICKER, OVERWEIGHT RUNNER: But there's no denying that I'm addicted to running but I think it's' a pretty healthy addiction.

GUPTA: But just how healthy is it? Is it OK to be fit and fat? Nope, not according to a new study published by the American Heart Association.

DEMETRA CHRISTOU, STUDY AUTHOR: If you're overweight or obese, you need to lose weight and decrease fat accumulation despite your fitness level.

GUPTA: That's because the excess fat in the body contributes to higher blood pressure, stiffening of the arteries, higher bad cholesterol, all of which contribute to an increased risk of heart attack or stroke no matter how many miles you can run.

(on camera): All right, so it's true that most people who have low physical activity also have high fat. But it turns out that it is important not just to be fit but to drop the pounds, especially that abdominal fat as well. Losing it can be as simple as eating 250 calories less than usual. That's approximately the equivalent of two regular sodas and you would lose 25 pounds in one year. Then to keep the weight off, it's important to exercise as well. Swimming can burn around 500 calories per hour. An hour of basketball can burn over 700 calories. Even mowing the lawn for an hour can burn 200 to 300 calorie. But given the choice between more exercise and fewer calories? Harold is learning to focus more on eating less.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: But the government seems to be challenging its own warnings about just how dangerous obesity really is. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said obesity causes nearly as many deaths as smoking. But, a report from a unit of the CDC directly contradicts that message. The National Center for Health Statistics says obesity caused 75 percent fewer deaths in 2000 than previously reported. So what's the bottom line? Can obese people relax a little bit? Let's ask Dr. Ian Smith, author of "The Take Control Diet." He's in our New York bureau today.

Dr. Smith...

DR. IAN SMITH, AUTHOR, "THE TAKE CONTROL DIET": Hey, Carol, how are you?

LIN: I'm doing just great and I am hunting for the bottom line because it seems like there are a lot of mixed messages. I mean if obese people don't have to kill themselves to lose weight, they're unlikely to want to, and the number of heart attacks among obese people has declined, so what's the message there?

SMITH: Well, let's not lose the leader on this. The bottom line is regardless of what this study says -- and it's a very difficult and sophisticated study -- but regardless of what it says, in no way shape or form is it healthier to be slightly overweight than to be normal weight. There is no doubt about it, that being overweight presents all types of physical problems, including cardiovascular disease, diabetes, blood pressure, blood vessel disease. So let's not be mistaken here. You do not want people to be overweight. This is a very complicated study that deals with a lot of very sophisticated statistics which sometimes are very difficult to interpret and that's why all the confusion.

LIN: But some of the confusion simply is that there are better drugs out there, Dr. Smith, you know. I mean there are better drugs for people who have heart problems or high blood pressure. Can those issues be controlled if the person does not lose the weight?

SMITH: Well, that may be one of the reasons why this study is showing that people who are slightly overweight are not dying at the rate that they were dying before. Not because being overweight is healthy but because now with advanced treatments, advanced medications, advanced screening methods, we're able to intervene at an earlier stage and bring more resolution to the illness and control it better than we were before. So let's not get confused here. It's not that people who are just a little bit overweight are living longer. It's that we're doing a better job of finding what illnesses are a result of their obesity and treating it.

LIN: How do you know if you're a little bit overweight? I mean what's -- what is it, an extra five, 10 pounds over your weight average? I mean how do you know?

SMITH: Well, we've changed now to how we define overweightness per say. We now using something called the body mass index, also called the BMI. Typically, normal weight is a number you calculate by using your height and your weight, and typically the number between 18.5 and less than 25 is considered to be normal weight. Anywhere from 25 and less than 30 is considered to be overweight. Then 30 to 35, of course, is considered to be obese, and the obesity levels are divided into three different stages.

But what is more important is not just where your weight is but it's how you carry your weight, as the earlier piece mentioned. And those who have a large, protruding abdomen also called an apple shape tend to have higher risk factors for cardiovascular diseases and other types of diseases.

But I want to make this point, also, Carol, this study, OK, is one study of many.

LIN: OK.

SMITH: There have been two other studies that have shown that there are different numbers that are attributed -- death numbers attributed to obesity. So there are inherent problems in trying to figure this number out in general.

LIN: Right.

SMITH: In no way, shape or form should the media or anyone else draw any conclusions from a study that is purely a statistical study.

LIN: All right, got the message. Dr. Ian Smith, thanks so much.

SMITH: Good seeing you.

LIN: Well, art therapy classes for some of New York most vulnerable painters is revealing something remarkable, they're homeless people living in a former hospital that's been converted into a shelter. CNN is the first to go inside. Our Alina Cho reports on the program's impact.

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ANNE TANNEBAUM, ART THERAPY TEACHER: Maybe what you could do...

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's called art therapy, heavy on the therapy.

TANNEBAUM: I never saw you do anything like this before.

CHO: Teacher, Anne Tannebaum admits it's not really about the art.

TANNEBAUM: I think that what I do during any given day is much more like creating an opportunity for someone to grow or express themselves.

CHO: Take 67-year-old Robert O'Malley.

TANNEBAUM: Did you choose those colors for any particular reason?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I'm the type that likes bright colors even in the house, even my clothes. Everything's got to be bright.

TANNEBAUM: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it's dull, I don't like it.

CHO: Robert says creating art is pure freedom, something he doesn't feel in life, especially with people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't talk to them the way you'd like to talk to them.

CHO: The same is true for David Rosenthal. He's 58. David says this painting is about coming together.

(on camera): Why was that important for to you show that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because this is sort of what's going on in my head. I still have to go on and still have to get things together.

CHO (voice-over): Art therapy helps them do that.

TANNEBAUM: When one of our clients is able to sit down and create something, it's, you know, from within. It's here's a piece of me. Here's something I can say, you know, so I think it's a way for them to get hold of an identity.

CHO: Those who live at the homeless shelter, which used to be a mental ward, suffer from illnesses like schizophrenia and post traumatic stress disorder. The shelter is a last resort.

TANNEBAUM: Put yourself in their shoes. I mean they've reached the point where they don't have a home.

CHO: The art therapy class is a rare treat. Most shelters don't have the budget for it. A walk through the halls here is like seeing a mosaic of emotions. Tanenbaum said some of the artwork is gallery quality while others more elementary. This painting is chaotic from a distance but at close range there's an oasis. TANNEBAUM: There's a beautiful little house in there with a stream and trees. And you know, I like to think that the client felt that the world was kind of this big, messy place but inside there was this little spot that's home.

CHO: Ron Soram (ph), who suffers from PTSD, grew up on a Minnesota farm, surrounded by animals. His art reflects that.

(on camera): You could do without the people?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I love people, too, but I'm very introverted, and I can deal with animals a lot better than I can with people.

CHO: Because they don't talk back?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. That's one big thing.

CHO (voice-over): Anne says in some ways, she gets more out of the class than her students do.

TANNEBAUM: They're interesting in some ways, extremely generous, you know sharing their lives. And being in this vulnerable position, it's just a powerful thing to come in and be, you know, be part of that.

CHO: Alina Cho, CNN, New York.

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LIN: Well, it's a tale one Australian won't soon forget. After the break, the story of a lost cell phone, a sticky garbage can and one embarrassed teen.

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LIN: Well, higher prices at the pump have many Americans looking to cut costs elsewhere in their budgets. And one family in California has turned to the power of the sun. Peter Viles explains.

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PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Meet Dan Mirasola, old school energy hog. There's an RV in his backyard and not one, not two, but three big trucks out front, and yes, that's a Harley by the three-car garage.

DAN MIRASOLA, SOLAR HOMEOWNER: I pay like $600 a month for gas for my trucks. I hate that.

VILES: And then there's the house, a 6,000 square foot mansion with central air that eats about $9,000 worth of electricity in a year.

(on camera): Were you looking at your power bills and going this is out of control? MIRASOLA: Oh, I was dying. An $800 bill! You know it was like -- it was just murder.

VILES (voice-over): So Dan and his wife did the smart thing. They installed solar panels on the roof. Suddenly those $800 bills dropped to less than $100 a month.

MIRASOLA: Well, for the first two months, Edison kept coming out here with criminal people thinking we were stealing, so...

VILES: They're not stealing power. They're making it, even on a cloudy day, look closely. The electrical meter is spinning backwards. That means the Mirasolas are producing more power than they're using.

(on camera): So what's happening to that electricity. You're giving it back to them?

MIRASOLA: Yes, my neighbors are using it right now kind of thing, you know.

VILES: Solar made sense on this house because of the combination of factors, temporary rebates and tax credits, and soaring energy costs.

THOMAS BALL, SOLAR ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS: People never used to talk about their utility rates. They used to be 10, 15, 20, $30 a month. Now it's not uncommon to see people's electrical rates be 200, three, $400 a month.

VILES: California's governor is pushing to put solar panels on a million California rooftops.

GOV. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R), CALIFORNIA: And it's good for taxpayers, and it's good for businesses and it is great for the environment.

VILES: After rebates, Dan Mirasola paid roughly $38,000 for his solar system and figures it will pay for itself in four more years.

MIRASOLA: Because I'm looking forward to in four more years to having free electricity. You know that's cool.

VILES: Now, if only Detroit could make him an electric-powered pickup truck.

Peter Viles for CNN, Los Angeles.

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LIN: Cell phones, seems like we can't leave the house without them, but just how far would you go to get your cell phone back? John, that's how we're going to leave it, an 18-year-old Australian bar hopper went head over heels into a trash bin when a friend threw his phone in the garbage. The trouble was once John got in, he couldn't get out. The comical sight drew quite a crowd as firefighters struggled to free him from the stinky prison. After 45 minutes, they finally cut the can apart, freeing John and his phone.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I think I'm going to get stuck in something cleaner next time.

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LIN: All right, there you go. Man and phone reunited.

That's all the time we have for this hour. Coming up next, 'THE CAPITAL GANG." And then at 8:00 Eastern on "CNN PRESENTS: DAY OF TERROR, REMEMBERING OKLAHOMA CITY." And at 9:00, an encore presentation of "LARRY KING LIVE." And I'll be back at 10:00 Eastern and I'll be talking with Lance Armstrong's mom about her son's retirement and a whole lot more.

We'll have a check of the hour's headlines right after a break.

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LIN: Good evening, I'm Carol Lin. "THE CAPITAL GANG" in just a moment, but first a look at what's happening right now in the news.

The U.S. military has arrested six people suspected of shooting down a civilian chopper north of Baghdad. Six American contractors were among the 11 people killed. Video of the apparent shoot-down shows the...

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