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Laua Bush Slays Correspondents Dinner Crowd; North Korea Tests Short Range Missile

Aired May 01, 2005 - 16:00 ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: New information in the case of the runaway bride. Did she plan her getaway days ahead of time?
Is the road to success paved with arrogance, attitude and rudeness? Or does kindness pay off? It depends on which study you believe. We'll break down both of them.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And so the city slicker asked he old guy how to get to the nearest town.

LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: Not that old joke. Not again.

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WHITFIELD: First lady Laura Bush shows off her comedic style and gives us a glimpse inside the White House bedroom.

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that and more after a check of the headlines.

Pope Benedict XVI is carrying on one of his predecessor's cherished traditions. The pontiff appeared at his apartment window today to bless the crowd in St. Peter's Square for the first time in his papacy. Some 50,000 pilgrims, tourists and Romans were there.

The White House says it isn't surprised by North Korea's apparent test of a short range missile today. Pyongyang has test fired missiles before. This one in 1998 and others in 2003. But a top Democrat called North Korea growing threat. More on this story in a moment.

Credible terror threats in the U.S. are reportedly at the lowest levels since the 9/11 attacks. The Washington Post says the intelligence community's daily threat assessment shows such threats down 25 to 50 percent. The report suggests terrorists are focusing on Iraq while counter intelligence is improving in the U.S.

We begin with North Korea and what the Bush administration is calling a bullying tactic. White House chief of staff Andrew Card today confirmed the country apparently tested a short-range missile. It's believed to have traveled 65 miles before plunging into the sea of Japan. Word of the test comes just days after sobering testimony from a top U.S. military intelligence official about North Korea's nuclear capabilities. CNN's Elaine Quijano joins now from the White House -- Elaine.

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello to you, Fredricka. U.S. officials say they're continuing to look into this and consulting closely with governments in the region. But when asked about this this morning, White House chief of staff Andrew Card said he didn't have a whole lot of information. And that uncertainty was reflected in the very careful language that he used.

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ANDREW CARD, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: And it appears that there was a test of a short range missile by the North Koreans. And it landed in the Sea of Japan.

We're not surprised by this. The North Koreans have tested their missiles before. They have had some failures. And we have to work together with our allies around the world, especially the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Russians and the Chinese to demonstrate that North Koreans actions are inappropriate. We don't want them to have any nuclear weapons. We don't want the Korean peninsula to have any nuclear weapons on it. And the president has said he will work in a bilateral way...

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QUIJANO: And as State Department spokesman issuing a statement adding on to that. Saying quote, "we have long been concerned about North Korea's missile program and activities, and urge North Korea to continue its moratorium on ballistic missile tests."

Now, this news comes at a very critical time when the six-party talks aimed at curbing North Korea's nuclear ambitions have been stalled. There really has been no movement in almost a year. The Bush administration has refused to talk directly with North Korea saying in the past that failed during the Clinton administration.

Instead, the Bush White House saying that Pyongyang needs to be involved within this six-party frame work. At the same time, though, we have heard also in recent weeks Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also talking about the option of going to the United Nations, as well.

But Fredricka, this apparent missile test, of course, raising questions about just how effective the current U.S. policy towards North Korea is. Democrats, notably Senator Karl Levin, saying that it is time, he believes, to engage directly with North Korea itself -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Elaine Quijano from the White House, thanks so much.

Well, let's take a closer look at North Korea's arsenal. How far can its short range missiles go? And what damage can they do? International security expert Jim Walsh joins us now from Watertown, Massachusetts. Good to see you, Jim.

JIM WALSH, INTERNATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT: Good to see you again, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. So, we know this missile was fired 8:00 local time in North Korea. Fired off about 65, 60 miles landing into the Sea of Japan. Is that the furthest that a short-range missile can go?

WALSH: Well, no. Short-range missiles can extend beyond 100 kilometers, about 62 miles.

This was -- remember, North Korea produced a wide variety of missiles, mostly variants of the scud missile. You'll remember that Saddam Hussein had a scud missile. This may have been a cruise missile, it may have been a short-range ballistic missile. I think we are still waiting to find out the data from the intelligence community about what specifically happened.

But the most important here thing that is was a political act, not a military act. Viewers should not be confused and think that somehow this missile is the kind of missile that can carry a nuclear war head, or a WMD war head. You know, there's a lot of talk earlier in the week, because of testimony raising the issue of whether North Korea could put a warhead on a missile. This is not that kind of missile. So people should be careful to draw a distinction between the two.

WHITFIELD: And this is particularly why it's of great concern that North Korea might be testing their missiles, because earlier testimony this week, and even North Korean officials have said that they just might, or threatened that they may have the capability of putting nuclear warheads on their missiles. What kinds of missiles are we talking about then, if not short range?

WALSH: Well, the missiles that Admiral Jacoby from the Defense Intelligence Agency was referring to was the long range, the two stage and maybe even three stage missiles that North Korea may be working on.

It is important to emphasize, however, that there's a lot of misreporting about that event earlier in the week. They have never successfully tested a long-range missile. And in the missile business you don't have a successful test, you don't have a missile.

WHITFIELD; But isn't that the concern, that they just might have a nuclear test at some point in the near future?

WALSH: Well, that is a second story. I know this is so confusing. There are two separate issues here. One is, do they have a nuclear weapon? And to have a nuclear weapon, you really have to have a test for that nuclear weapon. They've never tested nuclear weapons.

Secondly, and separately, there's the issue of a missile that might carry that warhead. And there again, you have to test the missile.

And then finally, the hardest thing of all, is to build a warhead small enough that you can put it on that missile. And then you have to test a third time to make sure the whole package works. And we are, very, very far from that point, I would say.

WHITFIELD: North Korea will not participate in any kind of six- party talks. We've heard Elaine's report a moment ago that perhaps the White House is being urged to have some sort of direct talks with North Korea. Which one is more plausible to happen?

WALSH: Well, I do think that, you know, there has been a lot of call for direct talks. This event, I think, that we saw this missile test, was an attempt to put pressure on the United States to try to get them to come and talk to the North Koreans.

This week has been marked by a lot of name calling. President Bush called the leader of North Korea a tyrant. North Korea responded in kind. My own view is that name calling is not a nonproliferation policy. We do have to do more here.

I expect, though, that the six-party talk process, the U.S. administration, the Bush administration, is going to stick to that at least through June, probably past June. If anything, they're going to be moving in another direction, they're probably going to try to up the ante and try to put more pressure on North Korea. And we're going to have to wait and see whether that works. It hasn't for four years, maybe it will work in the future. But I think that's where they're headed right now.

WHITFIELD: And what's the method of any of these nations learning of a missile testing out of North Korea? Apparently Japanese officials had to learn it from U.S. officials. And would seem to be the other way around given the proximity.

WALSH: Well, you would think that, but the U.S. has many more satellites, has many more intelligence -- national technical means, machines and other apparatus that can take measurements and figure out that something has happened.

The Japanese are getting in the satellite business. And I think somewhere down the road, they'll be able to collect their own data. But they are not quite there yet.

And you are wise to point to Japan, Fredricka. Because this is -- this missile test is most likely to have the biggest impact not in U.S. not in South Korea, but Japan. It going to make the Japanese nervous and it's going to put pressure on the Japanese prime minister.

WHITFIELD: Jim Walsh of Harvard University, thanks so much for joining us from Watertown, Massachusetts.

WALSH: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Turning to another hot spot overseas, Iraq. A suicide attack occurred just hours ago during a funeral in Tal Afar killing about 25 people and wounding some 50 others. The victims were burying a Kurdish official who was assassinated yesterday. Insurgents unleashed a third straight day of attacks in Baghdad. Three attacks left at least 13 Iraqis dead. Five were Iraqi police officers killed in a gun battle with as many as 30 insurgents.

In another development, three people are in custody charged in connection with the apparent killing of aid worker Margaret Hassan. The suspects were detained in a overnight raid in Baghdad after authorities found an ID card, clothing and a handbag that apparently belonged to Hassan.

The British citizen and director of C.A.R.E. was kidnapped in October. A video surfaced a month later of her execution.

British prime minister Tony Blair is striking back against fresh accusations over Iraq. Just four days before Britain's go to the polls, the "Sunday Times" reports Mr. Blair struck a deal with the U.S. to oust Saddam Hussein months before he talked with his government about going to war. Mr. Blair didn't deny the meeting took place, but said Britain never committed itself to the invasion until much later.

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TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The fact is, of course, all the time, what you're thinking of is what happens if we can't do this in a peaceful way. But what happened subsequent to that meeting was that we went the United Nations route. You know, we went back to the United Nations in November to give them a last chance.

You know, there will be people who keep rerunning these arguments the entire time. I mean, I haven't even looked at some of the stuff in the papers this morning. It's been gone over by inquiry after inquiry. They've all come to the conclusion, in the end, you had a decision. Was Saddam to be left there or not? And I took that decision.

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WHITFIELD: Mr. Blair's popularity has taken a nose dive since the Iraq war. It remains to be seen what impact it could have on Thursday's elections.

Ahead this hour on CNN LIVE SUNDAY, follow a team from the Center for Missing and Exploited Children as it works to solve a case.

We'll also talk to the head of that group about the search under way for a young girl who police say is sexually abused for years. It's a case that has gained international attention.

Also ahead, new information about the run away bride. Was her decision to skip town really a spur of the moment thing?

And lost at sea: the amazing story of two teenagers adrift in the ocean for almost a week.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: The woman the world now knows as the run away bride is back at her home in Duluth, Georgia. Jennifer Wilbanks flew back to Atlanta last night at about the time she was supposed to be walking down the aisle in Duluth, Georgia.

Well, police say Wilbanks, who vanished last week, ended up in New Mexico claiming he was kidnapped, then admitted to running away because of cold feet about her planned wedding. CNN's Denise Belgrave joins us now with some new details about this very strange case.

DENISE BELGRAVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Fredricka, there are new details emerging today about Jennifer Wilbanks' ordeal. In fact, Jennifer, perhaps, ran not in a moment of panic. And that's exactly what these details are suggesting.

WHITFIELD: That she may have planned it?

BELGRAVE: Exactly.

A source close to the investigation tells CNN that Wilbanks bought a Greyhound bus ticket several days before she went on her fateful run. And our source also tells us that Wilbanks prearranged transportation to the bus station and that she cut her own hair on the day that she left.

WHITFIELD: Hmm. And now, what about while she was on the road, while she was en route to New Mexico, I understand, there's some very interesting details about the people that she met and the things that happened along the way.

BELGRAVE: Yes. In fact, we interviewed Mr. Elwell, who was the FBI spokesman. And he gave us more a little bit more detail about what happened to her when she was out in Las Vegas. And here's what we had to say.

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BILL ELWELL, FBI SPOKESMAN: Well, according to her, she stayed in the terminal because her funds were pretty much diminished by this time. And she had -- she had befriended a couple of individuals that she later described as being a Hispanic male and a female Caucasian. And began to talk to them and mentioned -- they mentioned that they were -- they were gambling in Las Vegas. And then she mentioned -- they mentioned that they were heading off to Albuquerque. And at that point, based on the amount of funds she had, she decided well, then I'll go to Albuquerque. And she traveled along with them on that last leg from Las Vegas to Albuquerque.

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BELGRAVE: Elwell says that when Wilbanks left the bus station in Albuquerque, that she, in fact, found that hotel rooms were going to be very difficult to come by because there was a big convention in town.

WHITFIELD: And expensive. BELGRAVE: That's right. And so she had a cab driver take her to a less expensive part of town. And it was at that point that she pretty much realized she was running out of money. And so she decided it was probably time to end her run at that point.

WHITFIELD: Wow. And a lot of these details are coming from various sources around Jennifer Wilbanks. We have yet to hear her story from the horse's mouth, or even the story from her fiance, John Mason. And, of course, we're all waiting to hear some of those details, aren't we?

BELGRAVE: We sure are, Fredricka. I think everybody's interested to hear directly from the source.

WHITFIELD OK. Denise Belgrave, thanks so much.

BELGRAVE: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Well, Wilbanks caused quite a commotion when she arrived last night at Atlanta's Hartsfield/Jackson International Airport. But it was nothing compared to what happened there just a few hours earlier -- or later, rather. A truck left by a curb prompted authorities to call in bomb-sniffing dogs and shut down a terminal. A search revealed nothing out of the ordinary.

Meanwhile, an electrical fire started in a minivan inside a parking garage at the other terminal six vehicles were destroyed, five were damaged.

Straight ahead on CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

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MICHAEL DOUGLAS, ACTOR: And if you need a friend, get a dog.

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WHITFIELD: A pretty strong statement, but was Michael Douglas' character right when he uttered that line in Wall Street? Could being friendly and likable hurt your chances for success? We'll look at two studies with opposite conclusions.

Plus this...

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L. BUSH: George always says he's delighted to come to these press dinners, baloney.

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WHITFIELD: First lady Laura Bush on her husband, her mother-in- law and Chippendale Dancers? Hmm, what's the scoop on that? Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: Well, it took a motorcade and the coordination of three government agencies, but the most famous duck in Washington right there and beyond finally has a new home. You may remember this mellow mallard set up house keeping outside the Treasury building to sit on her eggs. Well, look at that, they hatched last night after weeks of tourist admiration and Secret Service protection.

The National Park Service and the U.S. Wildlife Service then teamed up to take the family to a city park. A pretty significant city park, a pretty significant city park. Mom led the way to a nearby creek while the kids followed behind in single formation. Well, they finally all caught up there.

Park officials say they're happy to take them under their wings.

Well, first lady Laura Bush stole the show last night at the White House Correspondents Association dinner. After a staged interruption of her husband's speech, she launched into a comedy routine that brought the house down.

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L. BUSH: I've been attending these dinners for years and just quietly sitting there. Well, I've got a few things I want to say for a change.

This is going to be fun, because he really doesn't have a clue about what I'm going to say next.

George always says he is delighted to come to these press dinners, baloney. He's usually in bed by now. I'm not kidding. I said to him the other day, George, if you really want to end tyranny in the world, you're going to have to stay up later.

I am married to the president of the United States. And here's our typical evening. 9:00, Mr. Excitement here is sound asleep. And I'm watching "Desperate Housewives" with Lynne Cheney. Ladies and gentlemen, I am a desperate housewife. I mean it. Those women on that show think they're desperate, they ought to be with George.

One night -- one night after George went to bed, Lynne Cheney, Condi Rice and Karen Hughes and I went to Chippendale's. I wouldn't even mention it except Ruth Ginsberg and Sandra Day O'Connor saw us there. I won't tell you what happened, but Lynne's Secret Service code name is now "Dollar Bill."

But George and I are complete opposites. I'm quiet. He's talkative. I'm introverted. He's extroverted. I can pronounce nuclear.

The amazing thing, however, is that George and I were just meant to be. I was a librarian who spent 12 hours a day in the library yet, somehow, I met George.

We met and married. And I became one of the regulars up at Kennebunkport. All the Bushes loved Kennebunkport which is like Crawford, but without the night life.

People ask me what it's like to be up there with the whole Bush clan. Let me put it this way. First prize, three-day vacation with the Bush family. Second prize, ten days.

Speaking of prizes brings me to my mother-in-law. So many mothers today are just not involved in their children's lives, not a problem with Barbara Bush. People often wonder what my mother-in- law's really like. People think she's a sweet, grandmotherly Aunt Bea type. She's actually more like -- hrm, Don Corleone.

Cedric, am I doing all right?

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WHITFIELD: Referring to Cedric the Entertainer.

Well, her likability points already high, now, soaring. Which begs the question, do nice guys really finish last? Well, apparently not. She is in first place now.

Can you make more money being tough as nails? Answers to those questions straight ahead. But first, today's allergy report.

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WHITFIELD: Welcome back. Here's what's happening now in the news.

The U.S. says it's consulting with its Asian allies about a missile test North Korea apparently carried out today. U.S. officials say the short range missile landed in the Sea of Japan. The White House says it's not surprised, but is concerned. North Korea test fired missiles in the past including this one back in 1998.

Another day of deadly insurgent attacks in Iraq. Today, at least 13 Iraqis were killed and three separate attacks in Baghdad. Iraqi officials say in Northern Iraq, a suicide bombing was carried out during a funeral. They say about 25 people were killed and 50 others wounded.

About a half million Germans took to the streets today to celebrate the traditional labor holiday, May Day. But not all the rallies were peaceful. In Berlin, revelers clashed with police when they tried to march towards the headquarters of a conservative publishing company. Violence also broke out at a demonstration in Leipzig.

A six-day high-seas drama for two South Carolina teenagers is over, and their amazing story is now coming to light. Fifteen-year- old Troy Driscoll and eighteen-year-old Josh Long set out to sea in a 14-foot sailboat last Sunday. Almost immediately, the weather turned rough, and the boys knew they were in trouble. The two had nearly given up when they were spotted yesterday more than 100 miles off course.

And joining me now on the telephone to talk about the rescue and their survival is Mike Willis. He is with the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources. Mike, glad you could join us on the phone.

MIKE WILLIS, SOUTH CAROLINA DEPT. OF NATURAL RESOURCES: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

WHITFIELD: Well, did the teens -- before we talk about their amazing survival story and the rescue, let's talk about how they set out for a day of sailing. Did these young boys have a lot of experience in sailing?

WILLIS: Well, they (INAUDIBLE) They had planned on just a very short, brief trip there, off of the Sullivan's Island shore near Charleston. It turned into quite an ordeal for them.

WHITFIELD: So the weather almost immediately got bad, right?

WILLIS: They were small craft advisories last Sunday. They launched their boat around 12:30 PM. And the wind was blowing very strong when they launched their -- their small, 14-foot watercraft. It didn't take long before they had been swept out to sea and they lost sight of shore.

WHITFIELD: And at what point did rescue teams or searchers find out that these boys were out there and possibly in trouble?

WILLIS: They were reported missing around 10:00 PM Sunday night, when they did not return home. And then that -- of course, that launched a massive search effort involving the Department of Natural Resources, the Coast Guard and other law enforcement agencies and volunteers, that lasted for nearly a full week.

WHITFIELD: Wow. Then, amazingly, six days later, some fishermen spot them. They find them in what kind of condition?

WILLIS: They were rescued by some fishermen around 4:30 yesterday afternoon, Fishermen aboard the fishing vessel Renegade. the boys were exhausted, dehydrated and sunburned. But other than that, they're doing OK.

WHITFIELD: Now, Troy and Josh talked about their experience or explained what about their experience while at sea for six days?

WILLIS: Well, they've told -- telling stories of eating jellyfish to survive, dodging sharks, nearly being run down by huge cargo container ships...

WHITFIELD: Wow.

WILLIS: ... and of course, braving the weather, and some very, very cold nights we've had here in the Carolinas over the last week.

WHITFIELD: And so on this sailboat, they really had no form of communication with the outside world?

WILLIS: No form of communication, no food or water. They did have some fishing tackle, which they lost after the second day. And they had a wetsuit on board the boat. That's all they had to keep them warm at night.

WHITFIELD: Wow. Amazing story of survival, but we're so glad that the outcome ended up this way, that they are safe and sound and back on land, being treated in Wilmington, North Carolina, at a hospital there. Mike Willis of the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources, thanks so much for joining us.

WILLIS: Thank you very much. Thanks for having us.

WHITFIELD: And We'll be right back.

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WHITFIELD: Their cases were eerily similar. Jessica Lunsford and Sarah Lunde, two young girls, both from Florida, both disappeared from their own homes within weeks of each other, and both found brutally killed. Now this week, another disturbing case out of Florida. This one involves a young girl who police say has been sexually abused for years and used in child porn photos.

In an effort to find the victim and the predator, Florida investigators are taking the extraordinary step of releasing a photo of a child they believe is a material witness in that case. Police say they have no evidence this girl is a victim or witnessed any acts of abuse, but they do believe she may know the victim.

We'll talk about the cases of abused children with the head of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in a moment. But first, CNN's Kimberly Osias has this look at how the center helps find missing children, some of whom have been gone for years.

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KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Mason Doyley, missing, August, 2004, now 2 years old. Thirteen-year-old Bianca Lebron, picked up by a van outside school at dismissal time in 2001, never seen again.

ERNIE ALLEN, CTR. FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: We've seen that the level of parental fear and anger has increased enormously.

OSIAS: Ernie Allen is the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

ALLEN: It's a huge problem. About 800,000 children are reported missing every year in this country, more than 2,000 kids a day.

OSIAS: Based in Alexandria, Virginia, the non-profit center works with families to get the word out and get results.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you reported the person missing to the police?

OSIAS: It's often a parent's first stop in the recovery process.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he still missing?

OSIAS: Specially trained operators gather abduction details, making sure a child is listed in the FBI's national crime computer. That information is then compiled on a poster and distributed to law enforcement, media, hospitals and hotels.

When a child's been missing for two years or more, they come to Joe Mullins. The former graphic designer melds art and science in what's called "age progressions."

JOE MULLINS, CTR. FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: Those kind of things we've heard since we were able to walk, you know, relatives saying, Oh, you have your mom's eyes, your dad's nose.

OSIAS: Leapfrogging a child's image from past to present.

MULLINS: This is Victor Shoemaker. It's still an active case. Victor is missing from West Virginia. So we're going to take him from 5 to 14.

OSIAS: To do that, Mullins starts with images of Victor's parents close to the same age.

MULLINS: And all the significant change is going to taking place in the lower two thirds. So we'll grab that lower two thirds of Victor's face and just pull it down, and he already starts to look bit more mature.

OSIAS: Then Mullins adds current hair and clothing styles, getting Victor into the age range. He compares that to pictures of boys the same age with similar features.

(on camera): The technology is getting results. According to the center, in 1990, the recovery rate was at 60 percent. Now that number has jumped to 96 percent. But for parents of missing children, like Nathan Doyley and Bianca Lebron, that number will never be high enough until their children come home. Kimberly Osias, CNN, Washington.

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WHITFIELD: Sexual exploitation of children is also a huge problem both in this country and around the world. The Internet has given predators a whole new arena to abuse children. For some perspective, we turn to the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Ernie Allen. Good to see you, Ernie.

ALLEN: Thank you, Fredericka.

WHITFIELD: Well, how is it this problem has gotten so out of hand? Is it the case that there are so many more cases of abuse and exploitation, or that so many more are being reported and we're learning about them suddenly?

ALLEN: Well, Fredericka, we think it's both. The reality is, this is a time in which people move very quickly. Images are transferred very quickly. Children have become a commodity for those that prey upon them. But reporting has made us more aware.

WHITFIELD: And the fact that many more of these cases are getting national attention, making headlines, getting the word out.

ALLEN: No question about it. The media plays a powerful and important role in not only increasing awareness but helping us find these kids and bring their perpetrators to justice.

WHITFIELD: So perhaps besides identifying these perpetrators and pedophiles, what are the challenges that authorities are facing in trying to find these folks and get them behind bars?

ALLEN: Well, Fredericka, in this country alone, there are nearly a half million registered sex offenders. Most of them were convicted of sexual offenses against children. So we have great difficulty in keeping track of those offenders. And secondly, time is the enemy. Law enforcement has to move quickly. And we're trying to mobilize technology to move faster and do a better job of recovering children and identifying their perpetrators.

ALLEN: Well, let's talk about the state of Florida, which is hoping to become, perhaps, one of those model states as early as this week. Already, sex offenders had been registered for some 10 years, now it's some 30 years. but there's legislation that they're hoping might make a difference, making those abusers of children be in jail longer and perhaps, even if they've molested children younger than 12, they would have to wear some satellite devices. How much more effective might that make it?

ALLEN: Well, Fredericka, we think that's a really important step. The estimates as that as many as a quarter of those half million registered sex offenders in this country are literally missing. We don't know where they are. John Couey, the offender who victimized Sarah Lunsford -- Jessica Lunsford -- was unknown to that family, and law enforcement didn't know where he was. So we think the step that's being taken in Florida is an important one, and we hope that it can happen nationwide.

WHITFIELD: Do you see other states potentially following Florida's example?

ALLEN: Well, there is enormous interest right now. Illinois is improving their law. Other states are taking steps. And there's great interest in Congress. One of the big challenges is the lack of consistency and uniformity between the states, and offenders take advantage of that. So we think the law can be improved and we can do a better job of sharing information to keep children safe.

WHITFIELD: Florida is also one of those states that actually offers treatment for child sex offenders. What kind of treatment are we talking about, and how effective is that? ALLEN: Well, the treatment success is very much a function of what type of offender it is. It's clear that treatment is no panacea. The fixated pedophile, the offender who is sexually attracted to children, is not very conducive to treatment. So that offender we need to watch, we need to monitor. We need to make sure that he doesn't have legitimate access to children. But all sex offenders are not alike.

WHITFIELD: OK.

ALLEN: So for some offenders, treatment is effective.

WHITFIELD: Now, in the case that we talked about earlier, an Internet child porn case where they're looking for -- authorities are looking for a child who may be a witness to, or be a material witness of some sort, to the abuses of another young child -- how hopeful are you that the method of disseminating this image of this child will actually help get some answers?

ALLEN: Well, we are hopeful. The eyes and the ears of the public are incredibly important in this kind of effort. We have to identify these child victims, one, in order to get them help, but two, it frequently leads to the identification of whoever it is who's victimizing them.

WHITFIELD: Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, thanks so much for joining us.

ALLEN: Thank you, Fredericka.

WHITFIELD: And for more information about how to protect children from sexual abuse, contact the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at this number right here, 1-800-THE-LOST.

In about an hour 15 from now, more with "CNN LIVE SUNDAY" With Carol Lin. She's now to give us an idea of what to look forward to.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we're continuing on this theme because, you know, we here on the weekend team have made this commitment to the missing and exploited children issue because of this girl on the Internet that authorities are trying to find. So at 6:00 and 10:00 o'clock tonight, I'm going to be talking to two of the most renowned names in the exploited children -- the hunt for these predators -- Marc Klaas at 6:00 o'clock and John Walsh at 10:00 o'clock -- about whether the picture of the Internet girl herself should be released by authorities. They are getting some tips on this young girl's picture whom they've released. They think it's an acquaintance or a friend, but clearly, a girl who has knowledge of who this Internet victim may be.

WHITFIELD: Yes. They're saying they're not necessarily sure that she was a witness to anything...

LIN: Right.

WHITFIELD: ... that she may have some information. LIN: Right. So much so that the authorities are saying, Find the girl, you may find this Internet victim.

WHITFIELD: Wow.

LIN: But John Walsh, in particular, has some strong opinions about just release the victim's picture...

WHITFIELD: Yes.

LIN: ... and get the guy who is exploiting her for money. But you know, Protective Services says, Look, it's a minor, you know? We've got to protect her identity. So they're trying to make inroads cautiously.

WHITFIELD: All right. Very good. We'll be watching.

LIN: All right.

WHITFIELD: Thanks a lot, Carol.

Well, stay with us. CNN LIVE SUNDAY continues right after this.

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WHITFIELD: Well, can you make more money by being tough as nails? In a moment, we'll explore that question with the author of a new book, "The Likability Factor." But first, our own Jeanne Moos reports on a study in a prestigious journal. It suggests that being cold, disagreeable and antagonistic at work can help you claw your way to the top.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pity the poor nice guys. Not only do nice guys finish last, they finish poorer.

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MICHAEL DOUGLAS, "WALL STREET": ... because they're sheep, and sheep get slaughtered.

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MOOS: If you believe the latest study, guys like this earn more.

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ALEC BALDWIN, "GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS": You can't close the leads you're given. You can't close (DELETED) You are (DELETED) Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it, because you are going out!

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MOOS: Maybe you wouldn't be going out if you'd read "The Journal of Economic Psychology." (on camera): That was an actual study that says niceness doesn't pay, literally, doesn't pay, if you want to climb the corporate ladder.

(voice-over): In a study of 3,000 people, economists found the friendlier you are, the less you'll earn. Agreeableness has a negative association with wage, which indicates that helping other people is punished in the labor market.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?

MOOS: Contrast that with Machiavellian intelligence, the ability to manipulate others, which has been found to have a positive effect on earnings. Folks like this restaurant manager agree.

(on camera): You think you could make more money if you were a bigger jerk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It takes a different mentality to crush who's ever in your way to get somewhere.

MOOS: Do nice guys finish last?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, they do. They do.

MOOS: They finish last.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to be manipulative.

MOOS: Are you nice guy or a manipulator?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm both.

MOOS (voice-over): The study's authors say there's also a chance agreeable people don't demand higher wages. But did we need a study to confirm a cliche?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looks like you've been missing quite a bit of work lately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I wouldn't say I'm missing it, Bob.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.

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MOOS: Not everyone we talked to believed the study.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to be less friendly to make more money, or less agreeable to make more money.

MOOS (on camera): In your experience, do the jerks kind of rise to the top?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, the jerks go out the door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the nicer you are, the universe compensates for it.

MOOS (voice-over): The universe may, but maybe not your employer. The study also says agreeableness is significantly associated with lower wages for women, the theory being they're more agreeable than men. All of this left us wondering about the Bush administration's famously abrasive nominee for U.N. ambassador, John Bolton.

CARL FORD, FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT INTEL. CHIEF: He's a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy. There are a lot of them around. I'm sure you've met them.

MOOS: Yes, met them headed for the executive suite.

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DOUGLAS: And if you need a friend, get a dog.

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MOOS: Or better yet, treat your co-workers like one.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What the hell are you wasting my time with this, you idiot?

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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WHITFIELD: And that sounds so funny coming out of the mouth of a really nice guy.

Our next guest has a very different take on the value of being a nice guy. Leadership coach Tim Sanders has written "The Likability Factor: How to Boost Your L Factor and Achieve Your Life's Dream." He's nice enough to join us from San Francisco.

All right. Good to see you, Tim.

TIM SANDERS, AUTHOR, "THE LIKEABILITY FACTOR": Nice to see you.

WHITFIELD: All right, you say the advantages of being likable are?

SANDERS: Well, first of all...

WHITFIELD: Lower divorce rates, for one.

SANDERS: Yes.

WHITFIELD: And you also said that you get -- you have lower blood pressure. And best of all, you get better service at the restaurants.

SANDERS: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: How do you know this for sure?

SANDERS: Well, there's a mountain of studies just like the one you quoted determined that have determined that when you're a likable person, that means you produce positive emotional experiences in other people. You bring out the best. Over the long haul, you'll do better in your career. You'll certainly do better at home.

WHITFIELD: And being agreeable doesn't necessarily mean being likable? Because we saw in Jeanne's piece that being agreeable sometimes mean you get lower wages.

SANDERS: Oh, absolutely. But let's be clear about this study in "Journal of Economic Psychology." I went out and bought it, like a lot of people did.

WHITFIELD: Yes?

SANDERS: It's about 3,000 Dutch workers and what they made in 1996. I'm afraid it's just not terribly applicable to what we're experiencing here with layoffs. A study I recently read said that if you're negative, you're the first person to get let go in a layoff. If you're a negative, you're the last person they hire in job...

WHITFIELD: So even if you're not necessarily the best one for the job, you may not be as skilled as the next guy, but if you're nicer, you're more likely to hold onto that gig?

SANDERS: Well, if you can produce a positive emotional experience in other people -- I mean, I don't want to disregard the study. It does underscore that being agreeable, it's not enough. If you want to be a highly likable person, you've also got to be relevant. You've got to add value. You've got to be emotionally stable. You've got to be real, have integrity.

WHITFIELD: All right, let's look at some examples of some well- known likable and not so likable folks that were on your list. Well- known likable, Bono.

SANDERS: Bono, yes.

WHITFIELD: Jamie Foxx. Fidel Castro? Huh?

SANDERS: No, he wasn't on my list. I think it was suggested someone else found him likable. I don't quite put him on my list.

WHITFIELD: OK. Well, what is it about Bono and, say, perhaps Jamie Foxx, if you agree with those?

SANDERS: Well, Bono is -- it's one of the four characteristics I talk about in my work. He is relevant. He has maintained his connection to what we care about. And he's also shown incredible emotional sensitivity over the course of his career, and he's very consistent from day to day. And by the way, I wouldn't say that guy's 100 percent agreeable for everything that's going on in the world.

WHITFIELD: Yes. Something tells me he knows how to put his foot down, I'm sure.

SANDERS: There you go.

WHITFIELD: How about not so likable, Martha Stewart being on the list, Howard Dean, Bobby Knight, and John Bolton, who we saw in Jeanne's piece.

SANDERS: Yes. John Bolton sure didn't get approved in two days. I've got to tell you that much. When you take...

WHITFIELD: Going to take a little time.

SANDERS: Yes. Exactly. When you take a look at Martha Stewart, you take a look at her career arc, you find that when she was the least likable, more people were out to get her. More people cheered against her. And even in the courtroom, research says it can create a bias against you if the jury or the judge doesn't like you. And the same goes for a lot of other people that ever face challenge in their career.

WHITFIELD: So why were we all conditioned to believe that being aggressive, being tough means getting ahead?

SANDERS: Well, I think we're conditioned to be that way because we leave that 5-year-old child, you know, that child that sends 30 valentine's Day cards -- we leave that child behind us. We get results-driven. A lot of us get very needs-driven, and we just don't have enough room in our life for other peoples' feelings. So as a result, we just feel comfortable and smart when we think being nasty is the way to get ahead, raise our kids and make a career happen.

WHITFIELD: So are we likable by nature. Say for example, someone who may be kind of grumpy or cantankerous and they suddenly try to kind of wear the likability jacket, does it work?

SANDERS: Well...

WHITFIELD: Can they be accused of being phony, and nobody's going to believe it.

SANDERS: The fourth and most important element to having likability is realness, so you've got to be a really nice person. This grump needs to change the way he thinks. He needs to become a thankful person again. When he writes tomorrow's script for tomorrow's movie, he needs to stop...

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WHITFIELD: ... got to evolve, too.

SANDERS: What?

WHITFIELD: He's got to evolve, people -- in order for people to believe it.

SANDERS: Yes. You know, he's got to reach back and find that optimism that he used to have. He's got to get over that resentment. When he thinks different, he will act different, and he'll get this feedback loop and have a better life.

WHITFIELD: I like you, Tim Sanders!

SANDERS: Well, ditto, shmitto, as I like to say.

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WHITFIELD: All right, thanks a lot, author of "The Likability Factor: How to Boost Your L Factor and Achieve Your Life Dreams." A very positive outlook on that. That's a lot of fun. Thanks a lot.

Well, top acting honors for David Hasselhoff? You heard it right here. We're not just being nice, either. The story's coming up next.

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WHITFIELD: "Baywatch" and Bollywood? Well, some surprising honorees at the Indian film industry's version of the Oscars. The ceremony was held in, believe it or not, in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Former "Baywatch" hunk David Hasselhoff? Well, he was named International Star of the Year. His show was one of the most popular on Indian TV.

And that's going to do it for us. "NEXT@CNN" is straight ahead. And here's Daniel Sieberg with the preview.

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DANIEL SIEBERG, HOST: An historic moment for Airbus this week as the world's biggest airliner gets off the ground, life in the heart of bird flu territory, and gloves that let you control a computer with gestures. No, not that kind of gesture.

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WHITFIELD: And at 6:00 o'clock Eastern, do you know who Bill the dog is? Carol Lin does, and she'll be sharing that information.

Thanks for joining us. Back with headlines right after this.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: New information in the case of the runaway bride. Did she plan her getaway days ahead of time?
Is the road to success paved with arrogance, attitude and rudeness? Or does kindness pay off? It depends on which study you believe. We'll break down both of them.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And so the city slicker asked he old guy how to get to the nearest town.

LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: Not that old joke. Not again.

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WHITFIELD: First lady Laura Bush shows off her comedic style and gives us a glimpse inside the White House bedroom.

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that and more after a check of the headlines.

Pope Benedict XVI is carrying on one of his predecessor's cherished traditions. The pontiff appeared at his apartment window today to bless the crowd in St. Peter's Square for the first time in his papacy. Some 50,000 pilgrims, tourists and Romans were there.

The White House says it isn't surprised by North Korea's apparent test of a short range missile today. Pyongyang has test fired missiles before. This one in 1998 and others in 2003. But a top Democrat called North Korea growing threat. More on this story in a moment.

Credible terror threats in the U.S. are reportedly at the lowest levels since the 9/11 attacks. The Washington Post says the intelligence community's daily threat assessment shows such threats down 25 to 50 percent. The report suggests terrorists are focusing on Iraq while counter intelligence is improving in the U.S.

We begin with North Korea and what the Bush administration is calling a bullying tactic. White House chief of staff Andrew Card today confirmed the country apparently tested a short-range missile. It's believed to have traveled 65 miles before plunging into the sea of Japan. Word of the test comes just days after sobering testimony from a top U.S. military intelligence official about North Korea's nuclear capabilities. CNN's Elaine Quijano joins now from the White House -- Elaine.

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello to you, Fredricka. U.S. officials say they're continuing to look into this and consulting closely with governments in the region. But when asked about this this morning, White House chief of staff Andrew Card said he didn't have a whole lot of information. And that uncertainty was reflected in the very careful language that he used.

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ANDREW CARD, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: And it appears that there was a test of a short range missile by the North Koreans. And it landed in the Sea of Japan.

We're not surprised by this. The North Koreans have tested their missiles before. They have had some failures. And we have to work together with our allies around the world, especially the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Russians and the Chinese to demonstrate that North Koreans actions are inappropriate. We don't want them to have any nuclear weapons. We don't want the Korean peninsula to have any nuclear weapons on it. And the president has said he will work in a bilateral way...

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QUIJANO: And as State Department spokesman issuing a statement adding on to that. Saying quote, "we have long been concerned about North Korea's missile program and activities, and urge North Korea to continue its moratorium on ballistic missile tests."

Now, this news comes at a very critical time when the six-party talks aimed at curbing North Korea's nuclear ambitions have been stalled. There really has been no movement in almost a year. The Bush administration has refused to talk directly with North Korea saying in the past that failed during the Clinton administration.

Instead, the Bush White House saying that Pyongyang needs to be involved within this six-party frame work. At the same time, though, we have heard also in recent weeks Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also talking about the option of going to the United Nations, as well.

But Fredricka, this apparent missile test, of course, raising questions about just how effective the current U.S. policy towards North Korea is. Democrats, notably Senator Karl Levin, saying that it is time, he believes, to engage directly with North Korea itself -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Elaine Quijano from the White House, thanks so much.

Well, let's take a closer look at North Korea's arsenal. How far can its short range missiles go? And what damage can they do? International security expert Jim Walsh joins us now from Watertown, Massachusetts. Good to see you, Jim.

JIM WALSH, INTERNATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT: Good to see you again, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. So, we know this missile was fired 8:00 local time in North Korea. Fired off about 65, 60 miles landing into the Sea of Japan. Is that the furthest that a short-range missile can go?

WALSH: Well, no. Short-range missiles can extend beyond 100 kilometers, about 62 miles.

This was -- remember, North Korea produced a wide variety of missiles, mostly variants of the scud missile. You'll remember that Saddam Hussein had a scud missile. This may have been a cruise missile, it may have been a short-range ballistic missile. I think we are still waiting to find out the data from the intelligence community about what specifically happened.

But the most important here thing that is was a political act, not a military act. Viewers should not be confused and think that somehow this missile is the kind of missile that can carry a nuclear war head, or a WMD war head. You know, there's a lot of talk earlier in the week, because of testimony raising the issue of whether North Korea could put a warhead on a missile. This is not that kind of missile. So people should be careful to draw a distinction between the two.

WHITFIELD: And this is particularly why it's of great concern that North Korea might be testing their missiles, because earlier testimony this week, and even North Korean officials have said that they just might, or threatened that they may have the capability of putting nuclear warheads on their missiles. What kinds of missiles are we talking about then, if not short range?

WALSH: Well, the missiles that Admiral Jacoby from the Defense Intelligence Agency was referring to was the long range, the two stage and maybe even three stage missiles that North Korea may be working on.

It is important to emphasize, however, that there's a lot of misreporting about that event earlier in the week. They have never successfully tested a long-range missile. And in the missile business you don't have a successful test, you don't have a missile.

WHITFIELD; But isn't that the concern, that they just might have a nuclear test at some point in the near future?

WALSH: Well, that is a second story. I know this is so confusing. There are two separate issues here. One is, do they have a nuclear weapon? And to have a nuclear weapon, you really have to have a test for that nuclear weapon. They've never tested nuclear weapons.

Secondly, and separately, there's the issue of a missile that might carry that warhead. And there again, you have to test the missile.

And then finally, the hardest thing of all, is to build a warhead small enough that you can put it on that missile. And then you have to test a third time to make sure the whole package works. And we are, very, very far from that point, I would say.

WHITFIELD: North Korea will not participate in any kind of six- party talks. We've heard Elaine's report a moment ago that perhaps the White House is being urged to have some sort of direct talks with North Korea. Which one is more plausible to happen?

WALSH: Well, I do think that, you know, there has been a lot of call for direct talks. This event, I think, that we saw this missile test, was an attempt to put pressure on the United States to try to get them to come and talk to the North Koreans.

This week has been marked by a lot of name calling. President Bush called the leader of North Korea a tyrant. North Korea responded in kind. My own view is that name calling is not a nonproliferation policy. We do have to do more here.

I expect, though, that the six-party talk process, the U.S. administration, the Bush administration, is going to stick to that at least through June, probably past June. If anything, they're going to be moving in another direction, they're probably going to try to up the ante and try to put more pressure on North Korea. And we're going to have to wait and see whether that works. It hasn't for four years, maybe it will work in the future. But I think that's where they're headed right now.

WHITFIELD: And what's the method of any of these nations learning of a missile testing out of North Korea? Apparently Japanese officials had to learn it from U.S. officials. And would seem to be the other way around given the proximity.

WALSH: Well, you would think that, but the U.S. has many more satellites, has many more intelligence -- national technical means, machines and other apparatus that can take measurements and figure out that something has happened.

The Japanese are getting in the satellite business. And I think somewhere down the road, they'll be able to collect their own data. But they are not quite there yet.

And you are wise to point to Japan, Fredricka. Because this is -- this missile test is most likely to have the biggest impact not in U.S. not in South Korea, but Japan. It going to make the Japanese nervous and it's going to put pressure on the Japanese prime minister.

WHITFIELD: Jim Walsh of Harvard University, thanks so much for joining us from Watertown, Massachusetts.

WALSH: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Turning to another hot spot overseas, Iraq. A suicide attack occurred just hours ago during a funeral in Tal Afar killing about 25 people and wounding some 50 others. The victims were burying a Kurdish official who was assassinated yesterday. Insurgents unleashed a third straight day of attacks in Baghdad. Three attacks left at least 13 Iraqis dead. Five were Iraqi police officers killed in a gun battle with as many as 30 insurgents.

In another development, three people are in custody charged in connection with the apparent killing of aid worker Margaret Hassan. The suspects were detained in a overnight raid in Baghdad after authorities found an ID card, clothing and a handbag that apparently belonged to Hassan.

The British citizen and director of C.A.R.E. was kidnapped in October. A video surfaced a month later of her execution.

British prime minister Tony Blair is striking back against fresh accusations over Iraq. Just four days before Britain's go to the polls, the "Sunday Times" reports Mr. Blair struck a deal with the U.S. to oust Saddam Hussein months before he talked with his government about going to war. Mr. Blair didn't deny the meeting took place, but said Britain never committed itself to the invasion until much later.

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TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The fact is, of course, all the time, what you're thinking of is what happens if we can't do this in a peaceful way. But what happened subsequent to that meeting was that we went the United Nations route. You know, we went back to the United Nations in November to give them a last chance.

You know, there will be people who keep rerunning these arguments the entire time. I mean, I haven't even looked at some of the stuff in the papers this morning. It's been gone over by inquiry after inquiry. They've all come to the conclusion, in the end, you had a decision. Was Saddam to be left there or not? And I took that decision.

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WHITFIELD: Mr. Blair's popularity has taken a nose dive since the Iraq war. It remains to be seen what impact it could have on Thursday's elections.

Ahead this hour on CNN LIVE SUNDAY, follow a team from the Center for Missing and Exploited Children as it works to solve a case.

We'll also talk to the head of that group about the search under way for a young girl who police say is sexually abused for years. It's a case that has gained international attention.

Also ahead, new information about the run away bride. Was her decision to skip town really a spur of the moment thing?

And lost at sea: the amazing story of two teenagers adrift in the ocean for almost a week.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: The woman the world now knows as the run away bride is back at her home in Duluth, Georgia. Jennifer Wilbanks flew back to Atlanta last night at about the time she was supposed to be walking down the aisle in Duluth, Georgia.

Well, police say Wilbanks, who vanished last week, ended up in New Mexico claiming he was kidnapped, then admitted to running away because of cold feet about her planned wedding. CNN's Denise Belgrave joins us now with some new details about this very strange case.

DENISE BELGRAVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Fredricka, there are new details emerging today about Jennifer Wilbanks' ordeal. In fact, Jennifer, perhaps, ran not in a moment of panic. And that's exactly what these details are suggesting.

WHITFIELD: That she may have planned it?

BELGRAVE: Exactly.

A source close to the investigation tells CNN that Wilbanks bought a Greyhound bus ticket several days before she went on her fateful run. And our source also tells us that Wilbanks prearranged transportation to the bus station and that she cut her own hair on the day that she left.

WHITFIELD: Hmm. And now, what about while she was on the road, while she was en route to New Mexico, I understand, there's some very interesting details about the people that she met and the things that happened along the way.

BELGRAVE: Yes. In fact, we interviewed Mr. Elwell, who was the FBI spokesman. And he gave us more a little bit more detail about what happened to her when she was out in Las Vegas. And here's what we had to say.

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BILL ELWELL, FBI SPOKESMAN: Well, according to her, she stayed in the terminal because her funds were pretty much diminished by this time. And she had -- she had befriended a couple of individuals that she later described as being a Hispanic male and a female Caucasian. And began to talk to them and mentioned -- they mentioned that they were -- they were gambling in Las Vegas. And then she mentioned -- they mentioned that they were heading off to Albuquerque. And at that point, based on the amount of funds she had, she decided well, then I'll go to Albuquerque. And she traveled along with them on that last leg from Las Vegas to Albuquerque.

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BELGRAVE: Elwell says that when Wilbanks left the bus station in Albuquerque, that she, in fact, found that hotel rooms were going to be very difficult to come by because there was a big convention in town.

WHITFIELD: And expensive. BELGRAVE: That's right. And so she had a cab driver take her to a less expensive part of town. And it was at that point that she pretty much realized she was running out of money. And so she decided it was probably time to end her run at that point.

WHITFIELD: Wow. And a lot of these details are coming from various sources around Jennifer Wilbanks. We have yet to hear her story from the horse's mouth, or even the story from her fiance, John Mason. And, of course, we're all waiting to hear some of those details, aren't we?

BELGRAVE: We sure are, Fredricka. I think everybody's interested to hear directly from the source.

WHITFIELD OK. Denise Belgrave, thanks so much.

BELGRAVE: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Well, Wilbanks caused quite a commotion when she arrived last night at Atlanta's Hartsfield/Jackson International Airport. But it was nothing compared to what happened there just a few hours earlier -- or later, rather. A truck left by a curb prompted authorities to call in bomb-sniffing dogs and shut down a terminal. A search revealed nothing out of the ordinary.

Meanwhile, an electrical fire started in a minivan inside a parking garage at the other terminal six vehicles were destroyed, five were damaged.

Straight ahead on CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

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MICHAEL DOUGLAS, ACTOR: And if you need a friend, get a dog.

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WHITFIELD: A pretty strong statement, but was Michael Douglas' character right when he uttered that line in Wall Street? Could being friendly and likable hurt your chances for success? We'll look at two studies with opposite conclusions.

Plus this...

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L. BUSH: George always says he's delighted to come to these press dinners, baloney.

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WHITFIELD: First lady Laura Bush on her husband, her mother-in- law and Chippendale Dancers? Hmm, what's the scoop on that? Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: Well, it took a motorcade and the coordination of three government agencies, but the most famous duck in Washington right there and beyond finally has a new home. You may remember this mellow mallard set up house keeping outside the Treasury building to sit on her eggs. Well, look at that, they hatched last night after weeks of tourist admiration and Secret Service protection.

The National Park Service and the U.S. Wildlife Service then teamed up to take the family to a city park. A pretty significant city park, a pretty significant city park. Mom led the way to a nearby creek while the kids followed behind in single formation. Well, they finally all caught up there.

Park officials say they're happy to take them under their wings.

Well, first lady Laura Bush stole the show last night at the White House Correspondents Association dinner. After a staged interruption of her husband's speech, she launched into a comedy routine that brought the house down.

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L. BUSH: I've been attending these dinners for years and just quietly sitting there. Well, I've got a few things I want to say for a change.

This is going to be fun, because he really doesn't have a clue about what I'm going to say next.

George always says he is delighted to come to these press dinners, baloney. He's usually in bed by now. I'm not kidding. I said to him the other day, George, if you really want to end tyranny in the world, you're going to have to stay up later.

I am married to the president of the United States. And here's our typical evening. 9:00, Mr. Excitement here is sound asleep. And I'm watching "Desperate Housewives" with Lynne Cheney. Ladies and gentlemen, I am a desperate housewife. I mean it. Those women on that show think they're desperate, they ought to be with George.

One night -- one night after George went to bed, Lynne Cheney, Condi Rice and Karen Hughes and I went to Chippendale's. I wouldn't even mention it except Ruth Ginsberg and Sandra Day O'Connor saw us there. I won't tell you what happened, but Lynne's Secret Service code name is now "Dollar Bill."

But George and I are complete opposites. I'm quiet. He's talkative. I'm introverted. He's extroverted. I can pronounce nuclear.

The amazing thing, however, is that George and I were just meant to be. I was a librarian who spent 12 hours a day in the library yet, somehow, I met George.

We met and married. And I became one of the regulars up at Kennebunkport. All the Bushes loved Kennebunkport which is like Crawford, but without the night life.

People ask me what it's like to be up there with the whole Bush clan. Let me put it this way. First prize, three-day vacation with the Bush family. Second prize, ten days.

Speaking of prizes brings me to my mother-in-law. So many mothers today are just not involved in their children's lives, not a problem with Barbara Bush. People often wonder what my mother-in- law's really like. People think she's a sweet, grandmotherly Aunt Bea type. She's actually more like -- hrm, Don Corleone.

Cedric, am I doing all right?

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WHITFIELD: Referring to Cedric the Entertainer.

Well, her likability points already high, now, soaring. Which begs the question, do nice guys really finish last? Well, apparently not. She is in first place now.

Can you make more money being tough as nails? Answers to those questions straight ahead. But first, today's allergy report.

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WHITFIELD: Welcome back. Here's what's happening now in the news.

The U.S. says it's consulting with its Asian allies about a missile test North Korea apparently carried out today. U.S. officials say the short range missile landed in the Sea of Japan. The White House says it's not surprised, but is concerned. North Korea test fired missiles in the past including this one back in 1998.

Another day of deadly insurgent attacks in Iraq. Today, at least 13 Iraqis were killed and three separate attacks in Baghdad. Iraqi officials say in Northern Iraq, a suicide bombing was carried out during a funeral. They say about 25 people were killed and 50 others wounded.

About a half million Germans took to the streets today to celebrate the traditional labor holiday, May Day. But not all the rallies were peaceful. In Berlin, revelers clashed with police when they tried to march towards the headquarters of a conservative publishing company. Violence also broke out at a demonstration in Leipzig.

A six-day high-seas drama for two South Carolina teenagers is over, and their amazing story is now coming to light. Fifteen-year- old Troy Driscoll and eighteen-year-old Josh Long set out to sea in a 14-foot sailboat last Sunday. Almost immediately, the weather turned rough, and the boys knew they were in trouble. The two had nearly given up when they were spotted yesterday more than 100 miles off course.

And joining me now on the telephone to talk about the rescue and their survival is Mike Willis. He is with the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources. Mike, glad you could join us on the phone.

MIKE WILLIS, SOUTH CAROLINA DEPT. OF NATURAL RESOURCES: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

WHITFIELD: Well, did the teens -- before we talk about their amazing survival story and the rescue, let's talk about how they set out for a day of sailing. Did these young boys have a lot of experience in sailing?

WILLIS: Well, they (INAUDIBLE) They had planned on just a very short, brief trip there, off of the Sullivan's Island shore near Charleston. It turned into quite an ordeal for them.

WHITFIELD: So the weather almost immediately got bad, right?

WILLIS: They were small craft advisories last Sunday. They launched their boat around 12:30 PM. And the wind was blowing very strong when they launched their -- their small, 14-foot watercraft. It didn't take long before they had been swept out to sea and they lost sight of shore.

WHITFIELD: And at what point did rescue teams or searchers find out that these boys were out there and possibly in trouble?

WILLIS: They were reported missing around 10:00 PM Sunday night, when they did not return home. And then that -- of course, that launched a massive search effort involving the Department of Natural Resources, the Coast Guard and other law enforcement agencies and volunteers, that lasted for nearly a full week.

WHITFIELD: Wow. Then, amazingly, six days later, some fishermen spot them. They find them in what kind of condition?

WILLIS: They were rescued by some fishermen around 4:30 yesterday afternoon, Fishermen aboard the fishing vessel Renegade. the boys were exhausted, dehydrated and sunburned. But other than that, they're doing OK.

WHITFIELD: Now, Troy and Josh talked about their experience or explained what about their experience while at sea for six days?

WILLIS: Well, they've told -- telling stories of eating jellyfish to survive, dodging sharks, nearly being run down by huge cargo container ships...

WHITFIELD: Wow.

WILLIS: ... and of course, braving the weather, and some very, very cold nights we've had here in the Carolinas over the last week.

WHITFIELD: And so on this sailboat, they really had no form of communication with the outside world?

WILLIS: No form of communication, no food or water. They did have some fishing tackle, which they lost after the second day. And they had a wetsuit on board the boat. That's all they had to keep them warm at night.

WHITFIELD: Wow. Amazing story of survival, but we're so glad that the outcome ended up this way, that they are safe and sound and back on land, being treated in Wilmington, North Carolina, at a hospital there. Mike Willis of the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources, thanks so much for joining us.

WILLIS: Thank you very much. Thanks for having us.

WHITFIELD: And We'll be right back.

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WHITFIELD: Their cases were eerily similar. Jessica Lunsford and Sarah Lunde, two young girls, both from Florida, both disappeared from their own homes within weeks of each other, and both found brutally killed. Now this week, another disturbing case out of Florida. This one involves a young girl who police say has been sexually abused for years and used in child porn photos.

In an effort to find the victim and the predator, Florida investigators are taking the extraordinary step of releasing a photo of a child they believe is a material witness in that case. Police say they have no evidence this girl is a victim or witnessed any acts of abuse, but they do believe she may know the victim.

We'll talk about the cases of abused children with the head of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in a moment. But first, CNN's Kimberly Osias has this look at how the center helps find missing children, some of whom have been gone for years.

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KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Mason Doyley, missing, August, 2004, now 2 years old. Thirteen-year-old Bianca Lebron, picked up by a van outside school at dismissal time in 2001, never seen again.

ERNIE ALLEN, CTR. FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: We've seen that the level of parental fear and anger has increased enormously.

OSIAS: Ernie Allen is the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

ALLEN: It's a huge problem. About 800,000 children are reported missing every year in this country, more than 2,000 kids a day.

OSIAS: Based in Alexandria, Virginia, the non-profit center works with families to get the word out and get results.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you reported the person missing to the police?

OSIAS: It's often a parent's first stop in the recovery process.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he still missing?

OSIAS: Specially trained operators gather abduction details, making sure a child is listed in the FBI's national crime computer. That information is then compiled on a poster and distributed to law enforcement, media, hospitals and hotels.

When a child's been missing for two years or more, they come to Joe Mullins. The former graphic designer melds art and science in what's called "age progressions."

JOE MULLINS, CTR. FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: Those kind of things we've heard since we were able to walk, you know, relatives saying, Oh, you have your mom's eyes, your dad's nose.

OSIAS: Leapfrogging a child's image from past to present.

MULLINS: This is Victor Shoemaker. It's still an active case. Victor is missing from West Virginia. So we're going to take him from 5 to 14.

OSIAS: To do that, Mullins starts with images of Victor's parents close to the same age.

MULLINS: And all the significant change is going to taking place in the lower two thirds. So we'll grab that lower two thirds of Victor's face and just pull it down, and he already starts to look bit more mature.

OSIAS: Then Mullins adds current hair and clothing styles, getting Victor into the age range. He compares that to pictures of boys the same age with similar features.

(on camera): The technology is getting results. According to the center, in 1990, the recovery rate was at 60 percent. Now that number has jumped to 96 percent. But for parents of missing children, like Nathan Doyley and Bianca Lebron, that number will never be high enough until their children come home. Kimberly Osias, CNN, Washington.

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WHITFIELD: Sexual exploitation of children is also a huge problem both in this country and around the world. The Internet has given predators a whole new arena to abuse children. For some perspective, we turn to the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Ernie Allen. Good to see you, Ernie.

ALLEN: Thank you, Fredericka.

WHITFIELD: Well, how is it this problem has gotten so out of hand? Is it the case that there are so many more cases of abuse and exploitation, or that so many more are being reported and we're learning about them suddenly?

ALLEN: Well, Fredericka, we think it's both. The reality is, this is a time in which people move very quickly. Images are transferred very quickly. Children have become a commodity for those that prey upon them. But reporting has made us more aware.

WHITFIELD: And the fact that many more of these cases are getting national attention, making headlines, getting the word out.

ALLEN: No question about it. The media plays a powerful and important role in not only increasing awareness but helping us find these kids and bring their perpetrators to justice.

WHITFIELD: So perhaps besides identifying these perpetrators and pedophiles, what are the challenges that authorities are facing in trying to find these folks and get them behind bars?

ALLEN: Well, Fredericka, in this country alone, there are nearly a half million registered sex offenders. Most of them were convicted of sexual offenses against children. So we have great difficulty in keeping track of those offenders. And secondly, time is the enemy. Law enforcement has to move quickly. And we're trying to mobilize technology to move faster and do a better job of recovering children and identifying their perpetrators.

ALLEN: Well, let's talk about the state of Florida, which is hoping to become, perhaps, one of those model states as early as this week. Already, sex offenders had been registered for some 10 years, now it's some 30 years. but there's legislation that they're hoping might make a difference, making those abusers of children be in jail longer and perhaps, even if they've molested children younger than 12, they would have to wear some satellite devices. How much more effective might that make it?

ALLEN: Well, Fredericka, we think that's a really important step. The estimates as that as many as a quarter of those half million registered sex offenders in this country are literally missing. We don't know where they are. John Couey, the offender who victimized Sarah Lunsford -- Jessica Lunsford -- was unknown to that family, and law enforcement didn't know where he was. So we think the step that's being taken in Florida is an important one, and we hope that it can happen nationwide.

WHITFIELD: Do you see other states potentially following Florida's example?

ALLEN: Well, there is enormous interest right now. Illinois is improving their law. Other states are taking steps. And there's great interest in Congress. One of the big challenges is the lack of consistency and uniformity between the states, and offenders take advantage of that. So we think the law can be improved and we can do a better job of sharing information to keep children safe.

WHITFIELD: Florida is also one of those states that actually offers treatment for child sex offenders. What kind of treatment are we talking about, and how effective is that? ALLEN: Well, the treatment success is very much a function of what type of offender it is. It's clear that treatment is no panacea. The fixated pedophile, the offender who is sexually attracted to children, is not very conducive to treatment. So that offender we need to watch, we need to monitor. We need to make sure that he doesn't have legitimate access to children. But all sex offenders are not alike.

WHITFIELD: OK.

ALLEN: So for some offenders, treatment is effective.

WHITFIELD: Now, in the case that we talked about earlier, an Internet child porn case where they're looking for -- authorities are looking for a child who may be a witness to, or be a material witness of some sort, to the abuses of another young child -- how hopeful are you that the method of disseminating this image of this child will actually help get some answers?

ALLEN: Well, we are hopeful. The eyes and the ears of the public are incredibly important in this kind of effort. We have to identify these child victims, one, in order to get them help, but two, it frequently leads to the identification of whoever it is who's victimizing them.

WHITFIELD: Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, thanks so much for joining us.

ALLEN: Thank you, Fredericka.

WHITFIELD: And for more information about how to protect children from sexual abuse, contact the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at this number right here, 1-800-THE-LOST.

In about an hour 15 from now, more with "CNN LIVE SUNDAY" With Carol Lin. She's now to give us an idea of what to look forward to.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we're continuing on this theme because, you know, we here on the weekend team have made this commitment to the missing and exploited children issue because of this girl on the Internet that authorities are trying to find. So at 6:00 and 10:00 o'clock tonight, I'm going to be talking to two of the most renowned names in the exploited children -- the hunt for these predators -- Marc Klaas at 6:00 o'clock and John Walsh at 10:00 o'clock -- about whether the picture of the Internet girl herself should be released by authorities. They are getting some tips on this young girl's picture whom they've released. They think it's an acquaintance or a friend, but clearly, a girl who has knowledge of who this Internet victim may be.

WHITFIELD: Yes. They're saying they're not necessarily sure that she was a witness to anything...

LIN: Right.

WHITFIELD: ... that she may have some information. LIN: Right. So much so that the authorities are saying, Find the girl, you may find this Internet victim.

WHITFIELD: Wow.

LIN: But John Walsh, in particular, has some strong opinions about just release the victim's picture...

WHITFIELD: Yes.

LIN: ... and get the guy who is exploiting her for money. But you know, Protective Services says, Look, it's a minor, you know? We've got to protect her identity. So they're trying to make inroads cautiously.

WHITFIELD: All right. Very good. We'll be watching.

LIN: All right.

WHITFIELD: Thanks a lot, Carol.

Well, stay with us. CNN LIVE SUNDAY continues right after this.

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WHITFIELD: Well, can you make more money by being tough as nails? In a moment, we'll explore that question with the author of a new book, "The Likability Factor." But first, our own Jeanne Moos reports on a study in a prestigious journal. It suggests that being cold, disagreeable and antagonistic at work can help you claw your way to the top.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pity the poor nice guys. Not only do nice guys finish last, they finish poorer.

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MICHAEL DOUGLAS, "WALL STREET": ... because they're sheep, and sheep get slaughtered.

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MOOS: If you believe the latest study, guys like this earn more.

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ALEC BALDWIN, "GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS": You can't close the leads you're given. You can't close (DELETED) You are (DELETED) Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it, because you are going out!

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MOOS: Maybe you wouldn't be going out if you'd read "The Journal of Economic Psychology." (on camera): That was an actual study that says niceness doesn't pay, literally, doesn't pay, if you want to climb the corporate ladder.

(voice-over): In a study of 3,000 people, economists found the friendlier you are, the less you'll earn. Agreeableness has a negative association with wage, which indicates that helping other people is punished in the labor market.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?

MOOS: Contrast that with Machiavellian intelligence, the ability to manipulate others, which has been found to have a positive effect on earnings. Folks like this restaurant manager agree.

(on camera): You think you could make more money if you were a bigger jerk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It takes a different mentality to crush who's ever in your way to get somewhere.

MOOS: Do nice guys finish last?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, they do. They do.

MOOS: They finish last.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to be manipulative.

MOOS: Are you nice guy or a manipulator?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm both.

MOOS (voice-over): The study's authors say there's also a chance agreeable people don't demand higher wages. But did we need a study to confirm a cliche?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looks like you've been missing quite a bit of work lately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I wouldn't say I'm missing it, Bob.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.

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MOOS: Not everyone we talked to believed the study.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to be less friendly to make more money, or less agreeable to make more money.

MOOS (on camera): In your experience, do the jerks kind of rise to the top?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, the jerks go out the door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the nicer you are, the universe compensates for it.

MOOS (voice-over): The universe may, but maybe not your employer. The study also says agreeableness is significantly associated with lower wages for women, the theory being they're more agreeable than men. All of this left us wondering about the Bush administration's famously abrasive nominee for U.N. ambassador, John Bolton.

CARL FORD, FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT INTEL. CHIEF: He's a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy. There are a lot of them around. I'm sure you've met them.

MOOS: Yes, met them headed for the executive suite.

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DOUGLAS: And if you need a friend, get a dog.

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MOOS: Or better yet, treat your co-workers like one.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What the hell are you wasting my time with this, you idiot?

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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WHITFIELD: And that sounds so funny coming out of the mouth of a really nice guy.

Our next guest has a very different take on the value of being a nice guy. Leadership coach Tim Sanders has written "The Likability Factor: How to Boost Your L Factor and Achieve Your Life's Dream." He's nice enough to join us from San Francisco.

All right. Good to see you, Tim.

TIM SANDERS, AUTHOR, "THE LIKEABILITY FACTOR": Nice to see you.

WHITFIELD: All right, you say the advantages of being likable are?

SANDERS: Well, first of all...

WHITFIELD: Lower divorce rates, for one.

SANDERS: Yes.

WHITFIELD: And you also said that you get -- you have lower blood pressure. And best of all, you get better service at the restaurants.

SANDERS: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: How do you know this for sure?

SANDERS: Well, there's a mountain of studies just like the one you quoted determined that have determined that when you're a likable person, that means you produce positive emotional experiences in other people. You bring out the best. Over the long haul, you'll do better in your career. You'll certainly do better at home.

WHITFIELD: And being agreeable doesn't necessarily mean being likable? Because we saw in Jeanne's piece that being agreeable sometimes mean you get lower wages.

SANDERS: Oh, absolutely. But let's be clear about this study in "Journal of Economic Psychology." I went out and bought it, like a lot of people did.

WHITFIELD: Yes?

SANDERS: It's about 3,000 Dutch workers and what they made in 1996. I'm afraid it's just not terribly applicable to what we're experiencing here with layoffs. A study I recently read said that if you're negative, you're the first person to get let go in a layoff. If you're a negative, you're the last person they hire in job...

WHITFIELD: So even if you're not necessarily the best one for the job, you may not be as skilled as the next guy, but if you're nicer, you're more likely to hold onto that gig?

SANDERS: Well, if you can produce a positive emotional experience in other people -- I mean, I don't want to disregard the study. It does underscore that being agreeable, it's not enough. If you want to be a highly likable person, you've also got to be relevant. You've got to add value. You've got to be emotionally stable. You've got to be real, have integrity.

WHITFIELD: All right, let's look at some examples of some well- known likable and not so likable folks that were on your list. Well- known likable, Bono.

SANDERS: Bono, yes.

WHITFIELD: Jamie Foxx. Fidel Castro? Huh?

SANDERS: No, he wasn't on my list. I think it was suggested someone else found him likable. I don't quite put him on my list.

WHITFIELD: OK. Well, what is it about Bono and, say, perhaps Jamie Foxx, if you agree with those?

SANDERS: Well, Bono is -- it's one of the four characteristics I talk about in my work. He is relevant. He has maintained his connection to what we care about. And he's also shown incredible emotional sensitivity over the course of his career, and he's very consistent from day to day. And by the way, I wouldn't say that guy's 100 percent agreeable for everything that's going on in the world.

WHITFIELD: Yes. Something tells me he knows how to put his foot down, I'm sure.

SANDERS: There you go.

WHITFIELD: How about not so likable, Martha Stewart being on the list, Howard Dean, Bobby Knight, and John Bolton, who we saw in Jeanne's piece.

SANDERS: Yes. John Bolton sure didn't get approved in two days. I've got to tell you that much. When you take...

WHITFIELD: Going to take a little time.

SANDERS: Yes. Exactly. When you take a look at Martha Stewart, you take a look at her career arc, you find that when she was the least likable, more people were out to get her. More people cheered against her. And even in the courtroom, research says it can create a bias against you if the jury or the judge doesn't like you. And the same goes for a lot of other people that ever face challenge in their career.

WHITFIELD: So why were we all conditioned to believe that being aggressive, being tough means getting ahead?

SANDERS: Well, I think we're conditioned to be that way because we leave that 5-year-old child, you know, that child that sends 30 valentine's Day cards -- we leave that child behind us. We get results-driven. A lot of us get very needs-driven, and we just don't have enough room in our life for other peoples' feelings. So as a result, we just feel comfortable and smart when we think being nasty is the way to get ahead, raise our kids and make a career happen.

WHITFIELD: So are we likable by nature. Say for example, someone who may be kind of grumpy or cantankerous and they suddenly try to kind of wear the likability jacket, does it work?

SANDERS: Well...

WHITFIELD: Can they be accused of being phony, and nobody's going to believe it.

SANDERS: The fourth and most important element to having likability is realness, so you've got to be a really nice person. This grump needs to change the way he thinks. He needs to become a thankful person again. When he writes tomorrow's script for tomorrow's movie, he needs to stop...

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WHITFIELD: ... got to evolve, too.

SANDERS: What?

WHITFIELD: He's got to evolve, people -- in order for people to believe it.

SANDERS: Yes. You know, he's got to reach back and find that optimism that he used to have. He's got to get over that resentment. When he thinks different, he will act different, and he'll get this feedback loop and have a better life.

WHITFIELD: I like you, Tim Sanders!

SANDERS: Well, ditto, shmitto, as I like to say.

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WHITFIELD: All right, thanks a lot, author of "The Likability Factor: How to Boost Your L Factor and Achieve Your Life Dreams." A very positive outlook on that. That's a lot of fun. Thanks a lot.

Well, top acting honors for David Hasselhoff? You heard it right here. We're not just being nice, either. The story's coming up next.

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WHITFIELD: "Baywatch" and Bollywood? Well, some surprising honorees at the Indian film industry's version of the Oscars. The ceremony was held in, believe it or not, in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Former "Baywatch" hunk David Hasselhoff? Well, he was named International Star of the Year. His show was one of the most popular on Indian TV.

And that's going to do it for us. "NEXT@CNN" is straight ahead. And here's Daniel Sieberg with the preview.

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DANIEL SIEBERG, HOST: An historic moment for Airbus this week as the world's biggest airliner gets off the ground, life in the heart of bird flu territory, and gloves that let you control a computer with gestures. No, not that kind of gesture.

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WHITFIELD: And at 6:00 o'clock Eastern, do you know who Bill the dog is? Carol Lin does, and she'll be sharing that information.

Thanks for joining us. Back with headlines right after this.

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