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Convicted Serial Killer Wayne William's Case Reopened; Bush Tours Former Soviet Republics

Aired May 07, 2005 - 18:00 ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Carol Lin. Our top story in just a moment but first, other stories making news right now.
Insurgents carry out more deadly attacks in Iraq. A suicide car bomb in Baghdad killed at least 22 people, including two American contract workers. Elsewhere, an American Marine was killed by a roadside bomb during a combat operation. And an Iraqi civilian was shot dead in Northern Iraq.

Thousands of anti-war activists took to the streets of Amsterdam to protest President Bush's visits to the Netherlands. He says or they say rather that the man who started the Iraq war should not pay tribute to those who died for Dutch freedom in World War II. The protests erupted a few hours before Mr. Bush's arrival. It is the latest leg of his trip to mark the 60th anniversary of the allied victory in Europe.

And it's back to the drawing board. In Nevada, a British team has ended a bid to break the world speed record for an electric car. The problem for a third day in a row, the engine would not start. The electric car speed record, by the way, is 300 miles per hour.

And you may not know him by his name but it is in the same league as Ted Bundy and David Berkowitz. Wayne Williams is considered to be one of the country's most notorious serial killers. Right now, he's serving a life sentence for convictions in two murders. Authorities in Atlanta though say he is behind a deadly crime spree that horrified the city and the nation more than 20 years ago. But now a local police chief is taking another look at the case. CNN's is Sara Dorsey joins me with more details.

Sara, what prompted the reopening or at least the reexamination of this murder investigation?

SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Carol, Louis Graham was involved in this case since its inception 25 years ago when he worked in Fulton County, but now he's in charge of a different local county that has four cases that were committed in that same period of time. The cases were closed when Wayne Williams went to jail without ever being officially solved.

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DORSEY (voice-over): When Wayne Williams was arrested in Atlanta in 1981, many in the city let out a breath they'd been holding for years. Since 1979 when black children and teens across the area began disappearing, later, turning up dead. Williams, who was convicted of two of the murders and believed responsible for more than 20 others, has always maintained his innocence. Louis Graham, the assistant police chief in Fulton County at the time and part of the Missing and Murdered Task Force believes Williams.

CHIEF LOUIS GRAHAM, DEKALB COUNTY, GEORGIA POLICE: I don't think Wayne Williams is responsible for anything. I don't think he did anything. So I made my mind one that over 20 years ago and I still feel that way. I've felt an impetus when he was convicted. I felt that impetus since and yes, it has had a hold of me ever since and you know, I just can't seem to turn it loose.

DORSEY: Graham is now the Dekalb County police chief and he's finally in a position to get to the bottom of his hunch. He's reopening four cold cases in this county, dating back to 1981: Patrick Baltazar, Curtis Walker, Joseph Bell and William Barrett, all either died of strangulation or asphyxiation.

GRAHAM: You know we can solve one case then I'm satisfied with that. But at this point, there are just too many open questions and all I'm trying to do is answer those questions as best we can, and if we can't, that's just the way it is.

DORSEY: Graham says the Cold Case Task Force full of fresh investigators and fresh ideas using technology not available two decades ago will look into the four homicides. When it comes to the kids themselves, some 25 years later, Graham is still very emotional and wants answers.

GRAHAM: That's what I'm trying to do. So maybe there is -- there can be justice for Patrick. I don't know. But at least he knows that we won't forget. He knows that we haven't forgotten. I haven't forgotten, and maybe that's what this is all about.

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DORSEY: Graham says he doesn't know if it's possible that these cases can be solved after all of these years but he says he owes it to the victims and their families to at least try -- Carol.

LIN: So Sara, what's going to happen next?

DORSEY: Well, they're going to be holding a press conference sometime next week and we'll learn exactly who is going to be on this task force and what it's going to take to actually move this forward. We, right now, don't know what evidence they have, if DNA testing is going to come into play. Those are things we still need to find out. Also, they're asking for any family members of these four victims to come forward beforehand so they can be told exactly how this is going to play out before it goes to the media.

LIN: Boy, almost starting from scratch really.

DORSEY: That's right. LIN: All right, thanks very much, Sara.

DORSEY: Thank you.

LIN: In the meantime I am going to talk with one of the lead prosecutors who helped convict Williams a bit later in this program. That is coming up at the half hour.

In Iraq, insurgents carried out more deadly attacks, killing at least 24 people. A suicide car bombing in Baghdad's Liberation Square killed at least 22 people, including two American contract workers. Iraqi officials say at least 30 people were wounded, including five Iraqi school girls. About 30 miles west of Baghdad, an American Marine was killed by a bomb blast during a combat operation.

Also Iraqi president Jalal Talabani is in Jordan for two days of talks with King Abdullah. The king pledged to help Iraq fight terrorism.

The latest suicide bombing in Baghdad is part of an upsurge in deadly violence that has swept Iraq since the country's new government was sworn in 10 days ago. Now, for ordinary Iraqis, the attacks add a terrifying aspect to their daily routines. CNN's Ryan Chilcote is in Baghdad with their story.

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RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Little is left of the suicide bomber's car or the convoy carrying the U.S. contractors targeted as they sped by or the school bus that was taking children to their homes. If you want a picture of Iraqi life from someone at Liberation Square, you have to go into the photo shops it's known for. They were only damaged. Attacks are part of the cost of doing business in Baghdad. They're talked about with morbid resignation.

"Every morning we leave home knowing nothing about our faith, not knowing if we'll be killed in an explosion or a police shootout. We're all waiting to find out how we will die."

If Abdul Zahra sounds overly fatalistic it's because it's the second attack here in two weeks. The faster his shop can pick up the glass, the faster they can man the register. Customers who come to buy a roll of film on days like this deserve attention. No one recalled a similar attack shown in this insurgent propaganda video that happened here a year ago. That's old news in the new Iraq, but frustration with the government's inability to stop the attacks remains the same.

"We don't know when this violence will come to an end. Every day the government promises they will stop it, but they can't. We've resorted to believing only in God."

For now, the focus is on getting the photo shop ready for tomorrow.

Ryan Chilcote, CNN, Baghdad. (END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: The noose keeps tightening around Abu Musab Al Zarqawi. The U.S. military says a raid last month netted one of his key associates. Al Zarqawi is the most wanted man in Iraq, and the head of al Qaeda in the region. The aide now in custody allegedly helped him coordinate meetings and move foreign fighters into the country.

But concerns continue to mount over another global hot spot. Nations around the world are urging North Korea to return to disarmament talks, amid signs it may be planning to test a nuclear weapon. A Defense Department official says it's not clear whether North Korea's activities are real or a bluff by the country's leader, Kim Jong-Il to pressure the United States. Spy satellite images reportedly appear to show extensive preparations for a nuclear weapons test.

Now be sure to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

President Bush on the move. He is on the second leg of a symbolic trip overseas, marking the allied victory in World War II. Now the president arrived earlier today in the Netherlands from Latvia. It was his stop there and his message to former Soviet republics that's creating a strain between the U.S. and its old Cold War foe. CNN White House correspondent Dana Bash is traveling with the president.

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DANA BASH, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The president hailed Eastern Europe's young democracies and said the United States shares the blame for what he called their captivity five decades behind the Iron Curtain.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Powerful governments negotiated the freedom of small nations was somehow expandable.

BASH: Mr. Bush is in the region to mark 60 years since the end of World War II. The end of the Nazis meant the beginning of Soviet domination here, and he acknowledged the U.S. role in the Yalta Agreement that allowed it.

BUSH: We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations, appeasing or excusing tyranny.

BASH: Getting a reluctant Russia to renewing an apology for annexing the Baltic nations is a top priority for the three leaders Mr. Bush met with.

BUSH: The American people will never forget the occupation and Communist oppression of the people of the Baltics. We recognize your painful history.

BASH: Russia is angry Mr. Bush included former Soviet states in his itinerary and Moscow doesn't like the term occupation. But Mr. Bush used it eight times at this event.

BUSH: But occupation and communist depression...

BASH: Spreading democracy is the hallmark of Mr. Bush's second term foreign policy and he promised to make Vladimir Putin understand democracies are good neighbors and role models.

BUSH: Well, I will continue to speak as clearly as I can to President Putin that it's in his country's interests that there be democracies on his borders.

BASH: Mr. Bush took pains to address a key Putin concern in the Baltics, urging them not to let resentment breed discriminations against Russians and other minorities.

BUSH: A welcoming and tolerant spirit will ensure the unity and strength of your country.

BASH: The busy day in Riga included a warm welcome and award for a president more accustomed to protests over the Iraq War, the Three Star Order, the highest honor in Latvia.

(on camera): In advance of his trip to Moscow, the president warned Vladimir Putin only a strong democracy in his own country will determine its greatness, yet another challenge for the friendship Mr. Bush boasts about at a time he needs the Russian leader to confront challenges in places like North Korea and Iran.

Dana Bash, CNN, Riga, Latvia.

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LIN: Well, the president's five-day four-country journey began in Latvia and then continued to the Netherlands. The president leaves tomorrow for Moscow. Monday, it's off to the former Soviet Republican of Georgia. Mr. Bush will meet with the Georgian president Tuesday before returning to Washington.

Our world wrap begins tonight with the triumphant return. A former Lebanese army general is back no his homeland 14 years after being forced into exile. Michel Aoun was a fierce opponent of his country's occupation by Syria. Now that Syrian troops are gone from Lebanon, he's declaring victory and planning a political role.

A dramatic rescue on Mt. Everest -- five people evacuated from the mountain two days after they were hit by a massive of avalanche. A helicopter was finally able to land at base camp today and take them to the hospital. Twenty-three expeditions have been trying to scale the world's highest peak this spring amid treacherous conditions.

And film star Angelina Jolie is asking the world to help Afghan refugees living in Pakistan. The United Nations Good Will ambassador met with Pervez -- President Pervez Musharraf after touring camps near the Afghan border. The United Nations says Pakistan gets $12 million a year in aid for about 1 million refugees. Jolie says the international committee should do more to shoulder the burden. And there's word of a shakeup within the Roman Catholic Church. "The New York Times" reports the editor of the Catholic magazine, "America," was forced to resign under orders of the Vatican office that was headed by Pope Benedict when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger. The Reverend Thomas Reese, an American Jesuit, was reportedly ousted after publishing articles critical of church positions on issues such as gay marriage and abortion. The Reverend Reese has given no indication that his resignation was forced. But Pope Benedict has made it clear that he expects Catholics to adhere to church doctrine.

We have got a lot ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, including the story of this place, a safe haven in the midst of one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country. But can this haven halt more violence?

Also, imagine your child's teacher being a convicted murderer. Well, it happened in one Maryland suburb but you won't believe how parents found out.

And later...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would never regret my decision and I feel very confident that we absolutely made the right decision. We need just a bite.

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LIN: Forced with an unthinkable decision, the story of one amazing mom. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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LIN: Gang violence and racial tensions are heating up in South Central Los Angeles. Rumors of impending violence between black and Hispanic gang members kept some 51,000 students out of schools this week. But there is a ray of hope for children in the neighborhood, as we learn from CNN's Peter Viles.

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PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): High school memories, most of us have them. Derrick Foules will always remember the race riot of '05 at Jefferson High.

DERRICK FOULES, 10TH GRADE STUDENT: We could see the separation between Hispanics and black people. So right then and there we knew there was a riot. Hispanics started running towards and black people started running towards the Hispanics and it just -- it was bad. And then they had to lock people up in classrooms. And it was just a big disaster, you know.

VILES: The truth is most of us don't know, can't relate to life in South Central Los Angeles. I asked Derrick what's wrong with his neighborhood.

FOULES: What's wrong it? What's not wrong with it? That's what you got to ask.

VILES: But there is something good here and Derrick has found it. A privately funded after school program, A Place Called Home, among other things, it's safe.

FOULES: Bullets fly every day, especially in the hood, so we decided to come to the center where we know we're safe.

VILES: But it's more than safe. It's color-blind. This is a place where black kids and Hispanic kids do get along, share the same tutors, use the same computers. Daisy Pineda has been coming here seven years and is now an intern.

DAISY PINEDA, A PLACE CALLED HOME: They need our attention. They need our help as -- making decisions, and you know just being there for them, you know. And it feels good helping them out, knowing that we're actually being very influential.

VILES: Founded in 1993 to provide hope to children in an area ravaged by crime and poverty, A Place Called Home has helped thousands of children. Up to 400 a day come here in the summer.

THYONNE GORDON, A PLACE CALLED HOME: Well, we are a safe haven from the gangs, from the violence, from the put-downs, from anything that's negative in society. A Place Called Home tries to be a bright light and offer our youth a place where they can feel they're at home.

VILES: For Derrick that means a place to come this close...

FOULES: I could do it.

VILES: ...to his very first slam dunk, a place to make music, a place to make better memories.

FOULES: Basically, they're just showing your love, you know, like you get more attention. They make it seem like it's all about you.

VILES: Peter Viles for CNN, Los Angeles.

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LIN: Well, talk about creative. How in the world do two New Jersey deli owners make a difference for troops in Iraq? With salami, of course. Straight ahead, it started as a goodwill gesture. It turned into a major operation. Its creators join me next.

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LIN: Well, every week, we like to bring you the more personal stories from the front lines. Today, American forces in Tikrit are eagerly awaiting a special care package from home, specifically, Hobby's Deli in New Jersey. Deli owners Mark and Michael Brummer are sending over enough salami eventually to feed 23,000 U.S. forces. The project is dubbed Operation Salami Drop. Mark and Michael Brummer join me now from New York to talk about the incredible operation and the opportunity for you too to get a salami t-shirt.

Welcome, gentlemen.

MICHAEL BRUMMER, CO-OWNER, HOBBY'S DELI: Hi, great to be here.

LIN: I'm doing just great. I am just marveling over the brilliance of this idea. Have the salamis arrived yet?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: They should be there tomorrow morning. That's what the U.S. Postal Service said to us.

LIN: And exactly how much salami are we talking about arriving in Tikrit?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: We sent 2,000 pounds on Tuesday and they should be there -- or actually 2,000 salamis was sent and they should be there in the morning.

LIN: All right, 2,000 salamis. All right, the back of that t- shirt, hold it up. I know you got a sample there. This is not exactly how the salamis are arriving now is it? I mean you're not actually -- Operation Salami Drop does not actually involve dropping salamis over the city of Tikrit.

MARK BRUMMER, CO-OWNER, HOBBY'S DELI: No, that would take too good an aim. But they were packed up -- the U.S. Postal Service in Newark was very helpful in getting all of those boxes out, and it was specially handled to get to Iraq as quickly as possible.

LIN: Look at the turnout here, too. We're looking at some pictures out of your deli as you guys are packing up these boxes and folks are coming round to either offer money donations or help you carry the boxes out?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: Well, the 42nd sent New Jersey Guardsmen because these boxes that you're seeing were all sent to New Jersey Guardsmen. That was the first trip. The 42nd is made up of mostly New York and New Jersey guardsmen, and that's what we were, you know -- so they sent us down some representatives, and my friend Mike's father and mother came and gave us a hand packing and shipping out everything. It was great.

LIN: And ever since the publicity broke about this case, I mean how many folks have you had come round to offer up donations for the cause?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: We had to put up a Web site. I called a very good friend of mine from college. I just said, "Please, get it done." And we set it up where people could give their credit card information over that. We had to call our parents in to give us a hand.

MARK BRUMMER: The response of the public has been unbelievable, you know. People have been looking for something to do. The response -- we've heard from Cub Scout troops in Houston, store owners putting out a jar to take donations for salamis, men's clubs in San Francisco looking to do things. It apolitical. It doesn't matter if you're for the war or against the war. This country's learned its lesson. We need to support our troops no matter how we feel about the war and this is a great vehicle to do that.

LIN: And what an inspiration and a tribute to your father who fought during World War II, had shared the story of how special it was to receive a care package from home.

MARK BRUMMER: Yes, he -- my father landed on D-Day. He had gotten out of Poland maybe a month before Hitler came in, and he -- when he landed on D-Day -- and every month his buddies would send salami, and he'd sit down with his buddies, take a bayonet and chop off slices and they'd sit around. And they'd feel just a great piece of home, and it always made them feel great. And so when Michael's buddy went over and we sent him a care package, they had such a great reaction. My brother turned to me and says "You know, we can -- we should do this to for more soldiers." And we figured, what -- how many in the division, 1,000, 2,000.

MICHAEL BRUMMER: Three thousand tops, we figured, you know.

MARK BRUMMER: Who knew 23,000 soldiers?

LIN: Yes, 23,000, $10 a pop for a salami, you're talking a quarter of a million-dollars. Do you think you're going to pull this off?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: You know what? Just in the past three, four days we've sold 2,000 salamis, so I think we can do it.

LIN: Michael...

MARK BRUMMER: It's going to take a lot of help from America, but we're hopeful. And as many as we can get, we'll get over there.

LIN: You bet.

MICHAEL BRUMMER: All of the e-mails I get from my friend in Iraq, just -- they're so exciting. People are begging him, please, make us the next shipment.

LIN: All right. Well, you know what? As soon as you hear from those guys, you're going to share those e-mails with us, all right?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: I will.

MARK BRUMMER: Promise.

LIN: Mark Brummer, thank you so much. Good luck with the project.

MARK BRUMMER: Thank you very much.

MICHAEL BRUMMER: Thank you very much. LIN: In the meantime, reopening an old case with old wounds. Is Wayne Williams guilty of more than 20 murders more than 20 years ago? Well, up next, a man who prosecuted Williams joins me live.

Plus, a convicted murderer allowed to teach children in a Maryland school now accused of another unthinkable crime. So why was he allowed inside?

And later, faced with a decision no mother would ever or should ever have to make, risking the lives of her children to save the life of another.

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LIN: It is a case that will send shivers down the spines of parents everywhere. A teacher at a private school is charged with sexually abusing three teenage girls. But that is not the only shocker for students and their families and what they're finding out about him. CNN's Kathleen Koch reports.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Court documents say the alleged sexual assaults occurred here at Community Initiatives Academy, a small private school in East Baltimore. The suspect, 28- year-old Charles Carroll is charged with raping a 13-year-old girl in February and squeezing the buttocks and chest of a 13 and a 17-year- old girl in April.

MARGARET BURNS, BALTIMORE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE: Our allegations of sex offenses ranging from touching to vaginal penetration.

KOCH: And what has parents even more irate, Carroll was convicted of second degree murder in 1995. On probation, he had been hired by the school as a teacher.

CHRISTINA PHILLIPS HOLTSCLAW, COMMUNITY INITIATIVES ACADEMY: He has a daughter of his own. And I just felt that give this man a second chance. Young black men do not always get a second chance.

KOCH (on camera): Though Maryland law prohibits public schools from hiring a teacher convicted of a crime, the same restriction does not apply to private schools.

(voice-over): Not only did the school not inform parents of Carroll's record, it may have violated state law by not telling police of the student's allegations. A parent informed police.

BURNS: There are mandatory requirements for persons in positions of trust such as teachers, and nurses, school nurses, et cetera, who are required to make a timely reporting of an allegation of abuse.

KOCH: Carroll's attorney says his client has no previous record of sexual offenses and maintains he is innocent. WARREN BROWN, ATTORNEY: There's absolutely nothing in Charles Carroll's past to allow one to feel comfortable with believing these allegations.

KOCH: Brown says there were no complaints from Northwood Recreation Center, where Carroll coached basketball before getting his job at the school. Brown questions why the rape complaint came months after the alleged attack. He wonders whether the other alleged assaults were simply misunderstood gestures.

BROWN: My pat on your back may be viewed on one day as a friendly pat and on another day as some sexual, you know, contact with you.

KOCH: Carroll has been fired from the school. He has a bail hearing Monday and if convicted on all charges, could face life in prison.

Kathleen Koch, CNN, Baltimore.

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LIN: Here in Atlanta, a cold case squad is taking another look at a crime spree that horrified the nations. Twenty-nine people were killed during a two-year period, more than 20 years ago. Wayne Williams was convicted of two of the murders and presumed guilty of most of the others. But a local police chief now says he may be innocent. Joseph Drolet was one of the lead prosecutors in the case. He joins me now live. We are, of course, talking about Louis Graham. It was one of our lead stories. He is now in charge of law enforcement over in Dekalb. He wants to find the killer of four young boys. Does it raise questions in your mind about the evidence presented in the two murders that Wayne Williams actually was convicted of?

JOSEPH DROLET, CITY COURT OF ATLANTA SOLICITOR: No, it doesn't really raise any question. As far as I know, there's no particular new evidence or any particular reason that that's come forward recently that would lead Chief Graham to -- you know, to say that they're reopening these cases. People have been trying to gather additional evidence since this trial. It was a controversial trial. It was based on circumstantial evidence, as most murders are, and that has not changed. And for years after the trials, you know, evidence continued to be searched for. And now that they've continued looking for evidence, they found additional evidence on Wayne Williams.

LIN: What was it about -- what really got him? How did you get him on the two murder cases? What was the physical evidence there?

DROLET: Yes, there were two very, very important parts. The first part was the fiber elements and I think everybody's heard about it. But most people don't really understand the significance of the fiber evidence. It wasn't just a few fibers found on the victim. The Williams household had a fiber that was extremely rare. It was almost -- if you found it, it would be like a fingerprint, it was that unusual. It was made for a very small period of time in the late '70s. It was in impractical type of fiber that was made. It was dropped. Even the folks at Dupont had never heard of it and they kept track of every fiber in the world to protect their own patent.

LIN: And you found it not only in one location?

DROLET: What happened, as the case developed, they kept finding this unusual fiber on victim after victim after victim, and it became, you might say the common thread running through the case. And they knew if they could find the source of that fiber, there was a good chance they had the killer. Now, in addition to that, they discovered that the fibers were changing. It would be the green carpet fiber from the home was found on virtually every victim. There are also fibers from automobiles but they kept changing as the murders continued. When they found Wayne Williams, they did a search warrant on his home. The home was carpeted in the Welman 181-B fiber that was found on all of these victims. They also found that there are as many as 11 different items from that home matched fibers found on the victims. Then as Wayne Williams would get rid of an automobile, and get another automobile, the fibers from the first automobile would quit showing up on victims. The fiber from the newer automobile would begin showing up on victims.

LIN: And thus a pattern started to develop.

DROLET: So there was not only all the cases that had the fibers from the home, but then changing fibers as he changed cars. Now, three experts testified that it was virtually impossible that those fibers and those combinations and those unique items could have come from any environment other than the home of Wayne Williams.

LIN: He was convicted for two murders.

DROLET: Two murders. We had two...

LIN: All right.

DROLET: ... two of the last murders were -- and that relates to the other part, and that is the bridge incident, and Wayne was never able to explain what he was doing out on the James Jackson Parkway Bridge at 3:00 in the morning.

LIN: Which is where a couple of miles down the way a body was found.

DROLET: One point two miles downstream, the body of Nathaniel Cater (ph) showed up. There was a loud splash directly below where his vehicle was. There was an officer down below. There was an officer up above. There were officers at each end of the bridge. They heard the huge splash, looked up, the lights were all out on the bridge. Suddenly, the lights came on. There was a stationary vehicle on the bridge directly above where the splash was. It then began pulling away. They stopped it. It was occupied by Wayne Williams. He said, "I'll bet this is about those boys, isn't it?"

LIN: Did you know Louis Graham we when he worked on the task force? DROLET: Yes. Sure. Sure.

LIN: Did he at that time express the doubts that he had? I mean he...

DROLET: There were a couple of officers, correct.

LIN: ....believes that Wayne Williams did not kill...

DROLET: I saw it. I heard him say that. And...

LIN: That...

DROLET: ...I disagree with him. You know I think the evidence was overwhelming.

LIN: Why was he not convinced, do you think?

DROLET: I don't know. I really do not know.

LIN: What did he express at the time though?

DROLET: I know some folks worked on different parts of the case but not all of the case as we did when we prosecuted it. There was one other officer who was well-known in the area who thought he had a particular suspect he thought did it, and that man was in prison before and that man was in prison a month afterwards. He could not have done it. Not a scrap of evidence was ever discovered. But he, you know, also shared and said I'm just not sure Wayne Williams did it.

LIN: Joseph, you remember back then...

DROLET: I do.

LIN: ...1981, the allegations at the time, I mean we forget what it was like then, the African-American children were being killed. First, there were allegations that not enough attention was being paid to it. There were racial overtones.

DROLET: That is correct.

LIN: Then, suddenly, there was a rush to judgment. There was a suspect. And he was pushed through the system.

DROLET: Right.

LIN: What I want to know from you, the concerns that Louis Graham is now expressing, casting doubt on the original investigation and the conviction, are you concerned or even curious about whether it's going to raise up old ghosts, old emotions?

DROLET: Well, no, not really. Every year or two, I've been called upon, you know, to do shows like this where people say they've got new evidence or some new theory or they're filing something new or they're going to try something new. This has been going on for 23 years since the verdicts came in.

LIN: But also allegations that a black man was ramrodded through the legal system.

DROLET: We heard that from the very, very beginning. And it's interesting with that, you had a jury that was, you know, eight black members of the jury, a black judge, a black police chief, a black police commissioner and most of the police officers were black and the victims were black in this. You know this wasn't the case of (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

LIN: Right.

DROLET: ... railroaded. It's a case of evidence and the evidence was pretty darn strong.

LIN: Joseph Drolet, there's a news conference coming up this week where we're going to hear more from Chief Graham and why he thinks that this case should be reopened. Thank you.

DROLET: You're welcome.

LIN: In the meantime, a big upset for the run for the roses. Up next, we'll tell you who won the 131st running of the Kentucky Derby.

And could smoking while pregnant actually have benefits? Some surprising research out today.

Also, among the most popular stories this is hour on CNN.com, 2,000 brave the cold for nude art. Braving near freezing temperatures, one participant says there was a great sense of togetherness. Let's hope so. Click on to CNN.com for details.

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LIN: It was a packed field of 20 horses battling for the roses in the 131st running of the Kentucky Derby just moments ago and the winner in a huge upset, the 50-1 shot, Giacomo. Well, in one of the most thrilling finishes at the derby in a long time, Closing Argument placed a close second followed by Afleet Alex. Giacomo had lost all three of his races this is year before his incredible win at Churchill Downs today. Bellamy Road, owned by New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner was the favorite going into the race.

Well, if you think that you have to be as wealthy as a king to own a thoroughbred racehorse, think again. CNN's Kathleen Hays shows us how you might be able to end up in the winner's circle.

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KATHLEEN HAYS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you love the sport of kings, but don't have a king's ransom to buy your own racehorse, you could take a gamble, and if you're lucky, move from the grand stand to the winner's circle by investing in a thoroughbred partnership like the one that owns Afleet Alex, one of the top Kentucky Derby contenders. CHUCK ZECKNEY, "CASH IS KING" STABLE: Every kid dreams of going to the World Series or the Super Bowl. Every horse owner dreams of going to the Kentucky Derby and the Breeder's Cup.

HAYS: About 30 percent of the estimated 35,000 thoroughbreds racing in the United States are owned by partnerships. Here's how they work: a group of people pool money and buy one or several horses. The initial investment typically runs between $5,000 and $100,000 or more. Partners split the cost of boarding, training, and racing their horses. Winnings are divided up in proportion to the size of each partner's investment and so are the losses.

ZECKNEY: The pluses, I guess you get to share the experience. You get to share the expenses. You're really not hooked in. You know the risk is not as big if you're out there by yourself.

HAYS: But it's still very, very risky. Investment experts say a thoroughbred stable is not a place to invest your retirement savings or your kid's college funds.

(on camera): What's the No. 1 thing people need to know to be a winner when it comes to investing in thoroughbreds?

ROSEMARY LIGOTTI, CANTELLA & CO. INC.: Do your due diligence and your homework. Read research. Look on the Web site. Go to the track. Investigate the partners and the trainers. Talk to other people that have been in partnerships with these people and see what their successes and their failures have been.

HAYS: What other investment can match the excitement of coming to the racetrack, talking to your horse's trainer, waiting for the moment when the announcer says "They're at the post. They're off!"

Kathleen Hays, CNN, Belmont Park, New York.

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LIN: Now if Kathleen Hays' report has tweaked your interest in owning a racehorse, check out this site on the Internet. Thegreatestgame.com can help you buy a racehorse or match you up with a partnership. The site is run by the Nonprofit Thoroughbred Owners and Breeder's Association and the National Thoroughbred Racing Association.

Up next, the story of an amazing mom. It is a story you won't want to miss, but first here's Al Hunt to tell what's ahead on "THE CAPITAL GANG" -- Al.

AL HUNT, CO-HOST, "THE CAPITAL GANG": "The CAPITAL GANG" will evaluate President Bush's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of his second term, accusations of sharing secret information at the Pentagon with friends of Israel and a push for congressional representation for Washington D.C. residents. All that and much more next on CNN.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: Health headlines -- older appears to be better when it comes to prescription drugs. A new survey finds seven out of 10 Americans prefer taking medication that's been on the market for at least 10 years. The reason, according to the survey, safety concerns over relatively new arthritis and depression drugs.

An intriguing study is out on smoking. The findings suggest that women whose mother's smoked while they were pregnant are less likely to develop breast cancer. Researchers at Tufts New England Medical Center say the reason may be connected to estrogen. One of the doctors stressed that the study does not suggest smoking is beneficial. He points to many other diseases caused by smoking.

Researchers may have figured out a way to screen children for autism. Scientists say children with autism show different immune system responses from kids without the brain disorder. They say it's likely that the differences could be detected in blood samples but they caution they are still years away from testing for autism.

Well, for all mothers feeling overworked and looking forward to a day of rest this Mother's Day, this story will make your life seem easy. Allan Chernoff has the inspiring story of a truly amazing mother in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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SHANNON GOLDWATER, MOTHER OF TRIPLETS WITH FEEDING DISORDER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) take a bite.

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): How can you measure a mother's love?

GOLDWATER: Good job taking that...

CHERNOFF: In Shannon Goldwater's case, one spoonful at a time, because for Lee, every bite is a challenge, every swallow an accomplishment. The same is true for Lee's brother, Will.

GOLDWATER: Hands down, please.

CHERNOFF: And their sister, Meagan.

GOLDWATER: Big girl.

CHERNOFF: Yes, Shannon is mom to triplets, all three of whom have severe feeding disorders.

GOLDWATER: Our life has felt very dominated by feeding three children four meals a day.

CHERNOFF: Lee, Will, and Meagan were born prematurely in May 2002, three months early, weighing less than two pounds each. It was a harrowing delivery for Shannon and her husband, Bob, when they learned their daughter's umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck.

GOLDWATER: At about 4:00 in the morning, I woke up and in a matter of three minutes I had about 18 doctors and nurses all over my bed. Megan had a prolapsed cord and they were doing everything they could to hold the cord off of her neck. And they said to me, "What do you want to do?" And I thought what do you mean, what do I want to do? And they said, "We could still deliver Megan vaginally and she would die but then we could stitch your cervix and allow the boys a better chance of survival or we could do an emergency c-section but then all three must come out." And I said, "Well, I need to call my husband." And they said, "We don't have time for you to call your husband." But I did reach over and picked up the phone anyway and did call Bob and we quickly made the decision that the best thing to do was to give them all an equal chance of life.

CHERNOFF: Megan's brain was bleeding at birth. In neonatal intensive care, she and her brothers had heart conditions and pneumonia. Their lungs not yet fully developed. The odds of survival were slim.

(ON CAMERA): Many people would have made a different decision. They might have sacrificed one child for the others.

GOLDWATER: I know. I thought about that before but I would never regret my decision and I feel very confident that we absolutely made the right decision and the fact that none of these kids have brain damage or cerebral palsy or so many other long-term disabilities, is really a miracle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you doing, Bud?

CHERNOFF (voice-over): The triplets spent four months in intensive care before coming home. But the struggle for Shannon and Bob, a lawyer, who is a great nephew of former presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, was only just beginning. The kids would need a total of 19 surgeries to address complications resulting from early birth.

GOLDWATER: I'm proud of my kids. I'm proud every day of everything they've overcome and the tremendous amount of will that they had to survive, because there was more than one occasion that we were called in the middle of the night and told that somebody might not make it through the night due to a pneumonia or a staph infection or other complications.

CHERNOFF (on camera): One, two, three, go! The triplets are nearly 3 years old and as you can see, they're active and playful like almost any other kids their age. That's no accident, though. Shannon coordinates a full curriculum of therapies, in fact, 18 appointments a week.

GOLDWATER: Meagan, take a bite.

CHERNOFF (voice-over): Getting the kids to eat, Shannon says, has been the hardest part of being a mother. Not only did all three refuse to eat, they couldn't keep food down. Shannon and her mother, Diana, brought the triplets last year to Kennedy Kreiger Institute in Baltimore, which has one of the nation's top pediatric feeding programs. For two months, the children were taught to eat.

GOLDWATER: Good job. Take a bite.

CHERNOFF: It takes Shannon and her mom or her nanny more than an hour to feed the kids each meal of pureed food and even then, Lee, Will and Meagan are unable to consume enough for their needs. So at night their diet is supplemented with liquid nutrients pumped from feeding tubes directly into their tummies. When nap time arrives, there's no rest for mom. She prepares food, schedules therapies and doctor appointments and tracks insurance claims.

(on camera): You have so much happening every single day. How are you able to cope?

GOLDWATER: Well, I've certainly had periods where I've been down. I let those thoughts pass quickly, and remember that somebody always has it worse than you. Just when you think you've got it as bad as you can have it, there's always going to be somebody else out there that's struggling even more than you.

DIANA STOCKETT, GRANDMOTHER: Is this Meagan's lunch bag?

CHERNOFF: Shannon's mom, Diana, a 55-year young grandmother quit her job to help five days a week.

STOCKETT: Maybe God throws things our way that he feels that we need to be there for and I have been able to be there for her.

CHERNOFF: Motherhood shouldn't be this hard. Still Shannon has only thanks for what it she calls her three little miracles.

GOLDWATER: Good job.

CHERNOFF: Part of the miracle though is that Lee, Will and Megan were born to an amazing mom like Shannon Goldwater.

GOLDWATER: I love you.

CHERNOFF: Allan Chernoff, CNN, Scottsdale, Arizona.

GOLDWATER: I know it's hard work.

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LIN: My gosh! Hats off to her.

That's all the time we have for this hour. Coming up next, "THE CAPITAL GANG." And then at 8:00 Eastern on "CNN PRESENTS: INFIDELITY," a look at changing sexual mores as surveys show a raise in infidelity. And at 9:00, "LARRY KING." Larry's guest tonight is Lisa Marie Presley. And I'll be back at 10:00 Eastern tonight with the lawyer for Wayne Williams. He's going to join me to talk about the new developments in his client's case.

A check of the hour's headlines is next and then "THE CAPITAL GANG."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: I'm Carol Lin. "CAPITAL GANG" is coming up, but first a look at what's happening right now in the news.

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Carol Lin. Our top story in just a moment but first, other stories making news right now.
Insurgents carry out more deadly attacks in Iraq. A suicide car bomb in Baghdad killed at least 22 people, including two American contract workers. Elsewhere, an American Marine was killed by a roadside bomb during a combat operation. And an Iraqi civilian was shot dead in Northern Iraq.

Thousands of anti-war activists took to the streets of Amsterdam to protest President Bush's visits to the Netherlands. He says or they say rather that the man who started the Iraq war should not pay tribute to those who died for Dutch freedom in World War II. The protests erupted a few hours before Mr. Bush's arrival. It is the latest leg of his trip to mark the 60th anniversary of the allied victory in Europe.

And it's back to the drawing board. In Nevada, a British team has ended a bid to break the world speed record for an electric car. The problem for a third day in a row, the engine would not start. The electric car speed record, by the way, is 300 miles per hour.

And you may not know him by his name but it is in the same league as Ted Bundy and David Berkowitz. Wayne Williams is considered to be one of the country's most notorious serial killers. Right now, he's serving a life sentence for convictions in two murders. Authorities in Atlanta though say he is behind a deadly crime spree that horrified the city and the nation more than 20 years ago. But now a local police chief is taking another look at the case. CNN's is Sara Dorsey joins me with more details.

Sara, what prompted the reopening or at least the reexamination of this murder investigation?

SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Carol, Louis Graham was involved in this case since its inception 25 years ago when he worked in Fulton County, but now he's in charge of a different local county that has four cases that were committed in that same period of time. The cases were closed when Wayne Williams went to jail without ever being officially solved.

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DORSEY (voice-over): When Wayne Williams was arrested in Atlanta in 1981, many in the city let out a breath they'd been holding for years. Since 1979 when black children and teens across the area began disappearing, later, turning up dead. Williams, who was convicted of two of the murders and believed responsible for more than 20 others, has always maintained his innocence. Louis Graham, the assistant police chief in Fulton County at the time and part of the Missing and Murdered Task Force believes Williams.

CHIEF LOUIS GRAHAM, DEKALB COUNTY, GEORGIA POLICE: I don't think Wayne Williams is responsible for anything. I don't think he did anything. So I made my mind one that over 20 years ago and I still feel that way. I've felt an impetus when he was convicted. I felt that impetus since and yes, it has had a hold of me ever since and you know, I just can't seem to turn it loose.

DORSEY: Graham is now the Dekalb County police chief and he's finally in a position to get to the bottom of his hunch. He's reopening four cold cases in this county, dating back to 1981: Patrick Baltazar, Curtis Walker, Joseph Bell and William Barrett, all either died of strangulation or asphyxiation.

GRAHAM: You know we can solve one case then I'm satisfied with that. But at this point, there are just too many open questions and all I'm trying to do is answer those questions as best we can, and if we can't, that's just the way it is.

DORSEY: Graham says the Cold Case Task Force full of fresh investigators and fresh ideas using technology not available two decades ago will look into the four homicides. When it comes to the kids themselves, some 25 years later, Graham is still very emotional and wants answers.

GRAHAM: That's what I'm trying to do. So maybe there is -- there can be justice for Patrick. I don't know. But at least he knows that we won't forget. He knows that we haven't forgotten. I haven't forgotten, and maybe that's what this is all about.

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DORSEY: Graham says he doesn't know if it's possible that these cases can be solved after all of these years but he says he owes it to the victims and their families to at least try -- Carol.

LIN: So Sara, what's going to happen next?

DORSEY: Well, they're going to be holding a press conference sometime next week and we'll learn exactly who is going to be on this task force and what it's going to take to actually move this forward. We, right now, don't know what evidence they have, if DNA testing is going to come into play. Those are things we still need to find out. Also, they're asking for any family members of these four victims to come forward beforehand so they can be told exactly how this is going to play out before it goes to the media.

LIN: Boy, almost starting from scratch really.

DORSEY: That's right. LIN: All right, thanks very much, Sara.

DORSEY: Thank you.

LIN: In the meantime I am going to talk with one of the lead prosecutors who helped convict Williams a bit later in this program. That is coming up at the half hour.

In Iraq, insurgents carried out more deadly attacks, killing at least 24 people. A suicide car bombing in Baghdad's Liberation Square killed at least 22 people, including two American contract workers. Iraqi officials say at least 30 people were wounded, including five Iraqi school girls. About 30 miles west of Baghdad, an American Marine was killed by a bomb blast during a combat operation.

Also Iraqi president Jalal Talabani is in Jordan for two days of talks with King Abdullah. The king pledged to help Iraq fight terrorism.

The latest suicide bombing in Baghdad is part of an upsurge in deadly violence that has swept Iraq since the country's new government was sworn in 10 days ago. Now, for ordinary Iraqis, the attacks add a terrifying aspect to their daily routines. CNN's Ryan Chilcote is in Baghdad with their story.

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RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Little is left of the suicide bomber's car or the convoy carrying the U.S. contractors targeted as they sped by or the school bus that was taking children to their homes. If you want a picture of Iraqi life from someone at Liberation Square, you have to go into the photo shops it's known for. They were only damaged. Attacks are part of the cost of doing business in Baghdad. They're talked about with morbid resignation.

"Every morning we leave home knowing nothing about our faith, not knowing if we'll be killed in an explosion or a police shootout. We're all waiting to find out how we will die."

If Abdul Zahra sounds overly fatalistic it's because it's the second attack here in two weeks. The faster his shop can pick up the glass, the faster they can man the register. Customers who come to buy a roll of film on days like this deserve attention. No one recalled a similar attack shown in this insurgent propaganda video that happened here a year ago. That's old news in the new Iraq, but frustration with the government's inability to stop the attacks remains the same.

"We don't know when this violence will come to an end. Every day the government promises they will stop it, but they can't. We've resorted to believing only in God."

For now, the focus is on getting the photo shop ready for tomorrow.

Ryan Chilcote, CNN, Baghdad. (END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: The noose keeps tightening around Abu Musab Al Zarqawi. The U.S. military says a raid last month netted one of his key associates. Al Zarqawi is the most wanted man in Iraq, and the head of al Qaeda in the region. The aide now in custody allegedly helped him coordinate meetings and move foreign fighters into the country.

But concerns continue to mount over another global hot spot. Nations around the world are urging North Korea to return to disarmament talks, amid signs it may be planning to test a nuclear weapon. A Defense Department official says it's not clear whether North Korea's activities are real or a bluff by the country's leader, Kim Jong-Il to pressure the United States. Spy satellite images reportedly appear to show extensive preparations for a nuclear weapons test.

Now be sure to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

President Bush on the move. He is on the second leg of a symbolic trip overseas, marking the allied victory in World War II. Now the president arrived earlier today in the Netherlands from Latvia. It was his stop there and his message to former Soviet republics that's creating a strain between the U.S. and its old Cold War foe. CNN White House correspondent Dana Bash is traveling with the president.

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DANA BASH, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The president hailed Eastern Europe's young democracies and said the United States shares the blame for what he called their captivity five decades behind the Iron Curtain.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Powerful governments negotiated the freedom of small nations was somehow expandable.

BASH: Mr. Bush is in the region to mark 60 years since the end of World War II. The end of the Nazis meant the beginning of Soviet domination here, and he acknowledged the U.S. role in the Yalta Agreement that allowed it.

BUSH: We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations, appeasing or excusing tyranny.

BASH: Getting a reluctant Russia to renewing an apology for annexing the Baltic nations is a top priority for the three leaders Mr. Bush met with.

BUSH: The American people will never forget the occupation and Communist oppression of the people of the Baltics. We recognize your painful history.

BASH: Russia is angry Mr. Bush included former Soviet states in his itinerary and Moscow doesn't like the term occupation. But Mr. Bush used it eight times at this event.

BUSH: But occupation and communist depression...

BASH: Spreading democracy is the hallmark of Mr. Bush's second term foreign policy and he promised to make Vladimir Putin understand democracies are good neighbors and role models.

BUSH: Well, I will continue to speak as clearly as I can to President Putin that it's in his country's interests that there be democracies on his borders.

BASH: Mr. Bush took pains to address a key Putin concern in the Baltics, urging them not to let resentment breed discriminations against Russians and other minorities.

BUSH: A welcoming and tolerant spirit will ensure the unity and strength of your country.

BASH: The busy day in Riga included a warm welcome and award for a president more accustomed to protests over the Iraq War, the Three Star Order, the highest honor in Latvia.

(on camera): In advance of his trip to Moscow, the president warned Vladimir Putin only a strong democracy in his own country will determine its greatness, yet another challenge for the friendship Mr. Bush boasts about at a time he needs the Russian leader to confront challenges in places like North Korea and Iran.

Dana Bash, CNN, Riga, Latvia.

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LIN: Well, the president's five-day four-country journey began in Latvia and then continued to the Netherlands. The president leaves tomorrow for Moscow. Monday, it's off to the former Soviet Republican of Georgia. Mr. Bush will meet with the Georgian president Tuesday before returning to Washington.

Our world wrap begins tonight with the triumphant return. A former Lebanese army general is back no his homeland 14 years after being forced into exile. Michel Aoun was a fierce opponent of his country's occupation by Syria. Now that Syrian troops are gone from Lebanon, he's declaring victory and planning a political role.

A dramatic rescue on Mt. Everest -- five people evacuated from the mountain two days after they were hit by a massive of avalanche. A helicopter was finally able to land at base camp today and take them to the hospital. Twenty-three expeditions have been trying to scale the world's highest peak this spring amid treacherous conditions.

And film star Angelina Jolie is asking the world to help Afghan refugees living in Pakistan. The United Nations Good Will ambassador met with Pervez -- President Pervez Musharraf after touring camps near the Afghan border. The United Nations says Pakistan gets $12 million a year in aid for about 1 million refugees. Jolie says the international committee should do more to shoulder the burden. And there's word of a shakeup within the Roman Catholic Church. "The New York Times" reports the editor of the Catholic magazine, "America," was forced to resign under orders of the Vatican office that was headed by Pope Benedict when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger. The Reverend Thomas Reese, an American Jesuit, was reportedly ousted after publishing articles critical of church positions on issues such as gay marriage and abortion. The Reverend Reese has given no indication that his resignation was forced. But Pope Benedict has made it clear that he expects Catholics to adhere to church doctrine.

We have got a lot ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, including the story of this place, a safe haven in the midst of one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country. But can this haven halt more violence?

Also, imagine your child's teacher being a convicted murderer. Well, it happened in one Maryland suburb but you won't believe how parents found out.

And later...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would never regret my decision and I feel very confident that we absolutely made the right decision. We need just a bite.

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LIN: Forced with an unthinkable decision, the story of one amazing mom. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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LIN: Gang violence and racial tensions are heating up in South Central Los Angeles. Rumors of impending violence between black and Hispanic gang members kept some 51,000 students out of schools this week. But there is a ray of hope for children in the neighborhood, as we learn from CNN's Peter Viles.

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PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): High school memories, most of us have them. Derrick Foules will always remember the race riot of '05 at Jefferson High.

DERRICK FOULES, 10TH GRADE STUDENT: We could see the separation between Hispanics and black people. So right then and there we knew there was a riot. Hispanics started running towards and black people started running towards the Hispanics and it just -- it was bad. And then they had to lock people up in classrooms. And it was just a big disaster, you know.

VILES: The truth is most of us don't know, can't relate to life in South Central Los Angeles. I asked Derrick what's wrong with his neighborhood.

FOULES: What's wrong it? What's not wrong with it? That's what you got to ask.

VILES: But there is something good here and Derrick has found it. A privately funded after school program, A Place Called Home, among other things, it's safe.

FOULES: Bullets fly every day, especially in the hood, so we decided to come to the center where we know we're safe.

VILES: But it's more than safe. It's color-blind. This is a place where black kids and Hispanic kids do get along, share the same tutors, use the same computers. Daisy Pineda has been coming here seven years and is now an intern.

DAISY PINEDA, A PLACE CALLED HOME: They need our attention. They need our help as -- making decisions, and you know just being there for them, you know. And it feels good helping them out, knowing that we're actually being very influential.

VILES: Founded in 1993 to provide hope to children in an area ravaged by crime and poverty, A Place Called Home has helped thousands of children. Up to 400 a day come here in the summer.

THYONNE GORDON, A PLACE CALLED HOME: Well, we are a safe haven from the gangs, from the violence, from the put-downs, from anything that's negative in society. A Place Called Home tries to be a bright light and offer our youth a place where they can feel they're at home.

VILES: For Derrick that means a place to come this close...

FOULES: I could do it.

VILES: ...to his very first slam dunk, a place to make music, a place to make better memories.

FOULES: Basically, they're just showing your love, you know, like you get more attention. They make it seem like it's all about you.

VILES: Peter Viles for CNN, Los Angeles.

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LIN: Well, talk about creative. How in the world do two New Jersey deli owners make a difference for troops in Iraq? With salami, of course. Straight ahead, it started as a goodwill gesture. It turned into a major operation. Its creators join me next.

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LIN: Well, every week, we like to bring you the more personal stories from the front lines. Today, American forces in Tikrit are eagerly awaiting a special care package from home, specifically, Hobby's Deli in New Jersey. Deli owners Mark and Michael Brummer are sending over enough salami eventually to feed 23,000 U.S. forces. The project is dubbed Operation Salami Drop. Mark and Michael Brummer join me now from New York to talk about the incredible operation and the opportunity for you too to get a salami t-shirt.

Welcome, gentlemen.

MICHAEL BRUMMER, CO-OWNER, HOBBY'S DELI: Hi, great to be here.

LIN: I'm doing just great. I am just marveling over the brilliance of this idea. Have the salamis arrived yet?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: They should be there tomorrow morning. That's what the U.S. Postal Service said to us.

LIN: And exactly how much salami are we talking about arriving in Tikrit?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: We sent 2,000 pounds on Tuesday and they should be there -- or actually 2,000 salamis was sent and they should be there in the morning.

LIN: All right, 2,000 salamis. All right, the back of that t- shirt, hold it up. I know you got a sample there. This is not exactly how the salamis are arriving now is it? I mean you're not actually -- Operation Salami Drop does not actually involve dropping salamis over the city of Tikrit.

MARK BRUMMER, CO-OWNER, HOBBY'S DELI: No, that would take too good an aim. But they were packed up -- the U.S. Postal Service in Newark was very helpful in getting all of those boxes out, and it was specially handled to get to Iraq as quickly as possible.

LIN: Look at the turnout here, too. We're looking at some pictures out of your deli as you guys are packing up these boxes and folks are coming round to either offer money donations or help you carry the boxes out?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: Well, the 42nd sent New Jersey Guardsmen because these boxes that you're seeing were all sent to New Jersey Guardsmen. That was the first trip. The 42nd is made up of mostly New York and New Jersey guardsmen, and that's what we were, you know -- so they sent us down some representatives, and my friend Mike's father and mother came and gave us a hand packing and shipping out everything. It was great.

LIN: And ever since the publicity broke about this case, I mean how many folks have you had come round to offer up donations for the cause?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: We had to put up a Web site. I called a very good friend of mine from college. I just said, "Please, get it done." And we set it up where people could give their credit card information over that. We had to call our parents in to give us a hand.

MARK BRUMMER: The response of the public has been unbelievable, you know. People have been looking for something to do. The response -- we've heard from Cub Scout troops in Houston, store owners putting out a jar to take donations for salamis, men's clubs in San Francisco looking to do things. It apolitical. It doesn't matter if you're for the war or against the war. This country's learned its lesson. We need to support our troops no matter how we feel about the war and this is a great vehicle to do that.

LIN: And what an inspiration and a tribute to your father who fought during World War II, had shared the story of how special it was to receive a care package from home.

MARK BRUMMER: Yes, he -- my father landed on D-Day. He had gotten out of Poland maybe a month before Hitler came in, and he -- when he landed on D-Day -- and every month his buddies would send salami, and he'd sit down with his buddies, take a bayonet and chop off slices and they'd sit around. And they'd feel just a great piece of home, and it always made them feel great. And so when Michael's buddy went over and we sent him a care package, they had such a great reaction. My brother turned to me and says "You know, we can -- we should do this to for more soldiers." And we figured, what -- how many in the division, 1,000, 2,000.

MICHAEL BRUMMER: Three thousand tops, we figured, you know.

MARK BRUMMER: Who knew 23,000 soldiers?

LIN: Yes, 23,000, $10 a pop for a salami, you're talking a quarter of a million-dollars. Do you think you're going to pull this off?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: You know what? Just in the past three, four days we've sold 2,000 salamis, so I think we can do it.

LIN: Michael...

MARK BRUMMER: It's going to take a lot of help from America, but we're hopeful. And as many as we can get, we'll get over there.

LIN: You bet.

MICHAEL BRUMMER: All of the e-mails I get from my friend in Iraq, just -- they're so exciting. People are begging him, please, make us the next shipment.

LIN: All right. Well, you know what? As soon as you hear from those guys, you're going to share those e-mails with us, all right?

MICHAEL BRUMMER: I will.

MARK BRUMMER: Promise.

LIN: Mark Brummer, thank you so much. Good luck with the project.

MARK BRUMMER: Thank you very much.

MICHAEL BRUMMER: Thank you very much. LIN: In the meantime, reopening an old case with old wounds. Is Wayne Williams guilty of more than 20 murders more than 20 years ago? Well, up next, a man who prosecuted Williams joins me live.

Plus, a convicted murderer allowed to teach children in a Maryland school now accused of another unthinkable crime. So why was he allowed inside?

And later, faced with a decision no mother would ever or should ever have to make, risking the lives of her children to save the life of another.

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LIN: It is a case that will send shivers down the spines of parents everywhere. A teacher at a private school is charged with sexually abusing three teenage girls. But that is not the only shocker for students and their families and what they're finding out about him. CNN's Kathleen Koch reports.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Court documents say the alleged sexual assaults occurred here at Community Initiatives Academy, a small private school in East Baltimore. The suspect, 28- year-old Charles Carroll is charged with raping a 13-year-old girl in February and squeezing the buttocks and chest of a 13 and a 17-year- old girl in April.

MARGARET BURNS, BALTIMORE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE: Our allegations of sex offenses ranging from touching to vaginal penetration.

KOCH: And what has parents even more irate, Carroll was convicted of second degree murder in 1995. On probation, he had been hired by the school as a teacher.

CHRISTINA PHILLIPS HOLTSCLAW, COMMUNITY INITIATIVES ACADEMY: He has a daughter of his own. And I just felt that give this man a second chance. Young black men do not always get a second chance.

KOCH (on camera): Though Maryland law prohibits public schools from hiring a teacher convicted of a crime, the same restriction does not apply to private schools.

(voice-over): Not only did the school not inform parents of Carroll's record, it may have violated state law by not telling police of the student's allegations. A parent informed police.

BURNS: There are mandatory requirements for persons in positions of trust such as teachers, and nurses, school nurses, et cetera, who are required to make a timely reporting of an allegation of abuse.

KOCH: Carroll's attorney says his client has no previous record of sexual offenses and maintains he is innocent. WARREN BROWN, ATTORNEY: There's absolutely nothing in Charles Carroll's past to allow one to feel comfortable with believing these allegations.

KOCH: Brown says there were no complaints from Northwood Recreation Center, where Carroll coached basketball before getting his job at the school. Brown questions why the rape complaint came months after the alleged attack. He wonders whether the other alleged assaults were simply misunderstood gestures.

BROWN: My pat on your back may be viewed on one day as a friendly pat and on another day as some sexual, you know, contact with you.

KOCH: Carroll has been fired from the school. He has a bail hearing Monday and if convicted on all charges, could face life in prison.

Kathleen Koch, CNN, Baltimore.

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LIN: Here in Atlanta, a cold case squad is taking another look at a crime spree that horrified the nations. Twenty-nine people were killed during a two-year period, more than 20 years ago. Wayne Williams was convicted of two of the murders and presumed guilty of most of the others. But a local police chief now says he may be innocent. Joseph Drolet was one of the lead prosecutors in the case. He joins me now live. We are, of course, talking about Louis Graham. It was one of our lead stories. He is now in charge of law enforcement over in Dekalb. He wants to find the killer of four young boys. Does it raise questions in your mind about the evidence presented in the two murders that Wayne Williams actually was convicted of?

JOSEPH DROLET, CITY COURT OF ATLANTA SOLICITOR: No, it doesn't really raise any question. As far as I know, there's no particular new evidence or any particular reason that that's come forward recently that would lead Chief Graham to -- you know, to say that they're reopening these cases. People have been trying to gather additional evidence since this trial. It was a controversial trial. It was based on circumstantial evidence, as most murders are, and that has not changed. And for years after the trials, you know, evidence continued to be searched for. And now that they've continued looking for evidence, they found additional evidence on Wayne Williams.

LIN: What was it about -- what really got him? How did you get him on the two murder cases? What was the physical evidence there?

DROLET: Yes, there were two very, very important parts. The first part was the fiber elements and I think everybody's heard about it. But most people don't really understand the significance of the fiber evidence. It wasn't just a few fibers found on the victim. The Williams household had a fiber that was extremely rare. It was almost -- if you found it, it would be like a fingerprint, it was that unusual. It was made for a very small period of time in the late '70s. It was in impractical type of fiber that was made. It was dropped. Even the folks at Dupont had never heard of it and they kept track of every fiber in the world to protect their own patent.

LIN: And you found it not only in one location?

DROLET: What happened, as the case developed, they kept finding this unusual fiber on victim after victim after victim, and it became, you might say the common thread running through the case. And they knew if they could find the source of that fiber, there was a good chance they had the killer. Now, in addition to that, they discovered that the fibers were changing. It would be the green carpet fiber from the home was found on virtually every victim. There are also fibers from automobiles but they kept changing as the murders continued. When they found Wayne Williams, they did a search warrant on his home. The home was carpeted in the Welman 181-B fiber that was found on all of these victims. They also found that there are as many as 11 different items from that home matched fibers found on the victims. Then as Wayne Williams would get rid of an automobile, and get another automobile, the fibers from the first automobile would quit showing up on victims. The fiber from the newer automobile would begin showing up on victims.

LIN: And thus a pattern started to develop.

DROLET: So there was not only all the cases that had the fibers from the home, but then changing fibers as he changed cars. Now, three experts testified that it was virtually impossible that those fibers and those combinations and those unique items could have come from any environment other than the home of Wayne Williams.

LIN: He was convicted for two murders.

DROLET: Two murders. We had two...

LIN: All right.

DROLET: ... two of the last murders were -- and that relates to the other part, and that is the bridge incident, and Wayne was never able to explain what he was doing out on the James Jackson Parkway Bridge at 3:00 in the morning.

LIN: Which is where a couple of miles down the way a body was found.

DROLET: One point two miles downstream, the body of Nathaniel Cater (ph) showed up. There was a loud splash directly below where his vehicle was. There was an officer down below. There was an officer up above. There were officers at each end of the bridge. They heard the huge splash, looked up, the lights were all out on the bridge. Suddenly, the lights came on. There was a stationary vehicle on the bridge directly above where the splash was. It then began pulling away. They stopped it. It was occupied by Wayne Williams. He said, "I'll bet this is about those boys, isn't it?"

LIN: Did you know Louis Graham we when he worked on the task force? DROLET: Yes. Sure. Sure.

LIN: Did he at that time express the doubts that he had? I mean he...

DROLET: There were a couple of officers, correct.

LIN: ....believes that Wayne Williams did not kill...

DROLET: I saw it. I heard him say that. And...

LIN: That...

DROLET: ...I disagree with him. You know I think the evidence was overwhelming.

LIN: Why was he not convinced, do you think?

DROLET: I don't know. I really do not know.

LIN: What did he express at the time though?

DROLET: I know some folks worked on different parts of the case but not all of the case as we did when we prosecuted it. There was one other officer who was well-known in the area who thought he had a particular suspect he thought did it, and that man was in prison before and that man was in prison a month afterwards. He could not have done it. Not a scrap of evidence was ever discovered. But he, you know, also shared and said I'm just not sure Wayne Williams did it.

LIN: Joseph, you remember back then...

DROLET: I do.

LIN: ...1981, the allegations at the time, I mean we forget what it was like then, the African-American children were being killed. First, there were allegations that not enough attention was being paid to it. There were racial overtones.

DROLET: That is correct.

LIN: Then, suddenly, there was a rush to judgment. There was a suspect. And he was pushed through the system.

DROLET: Right.

LIN: What I want to know from you, the concerns that Louis Graham is now expressing, casting doubt on the original investigation and the conviction, are you concerned or even curious about whether it's going to raise up old ghosts, old emotions?

DROLET: Well, no, not really. Every year or two, I've been called upon, you know, to do shows like this where people say they've got new evidence or some new theory or they're filing something new or they're going to try something new. This has been going on for 23 years since the verdicts came in.

LIN: But also allegations that a black man was ramrodded through the legal system.

DROLET: We heard that from the very, very beginning. And it's interesting with that, you had a jury that was, you know, eight black members of the jury, a black judge, a black police chief, a black police commissioner and most of the police officers were black and the victims were black in this. You know this wasn't the case of (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

LIN: Right.

DROLET: ... railroaded. It's a case of evidence and the evidence was pretty darn strong.

LIN: Joseph Drolet, there's a news conference coming up this week where we're going to hear more from Chief Graham and why he thinks that this case should be reopened. Thank you.

DROLET: You're welcome.

LIN: In the meantime, a big upset for the run for the roses. Up next, we'll tell you who won the 131st running of the Kentucky Derby.

And could smoking while pregnant actually have benefits? Some surprising research out today.

Also, among the most popular stories this is hour on CNN.com, 2,000 brave the cold for nude art. Braving near freezing temperatures, one participant says there was a great sense of togetherness. Let's hope so. Click on to CNN.com for details.

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LIN: It was a packed field of 20 horses battling for the roses in the 131st running of the Kentucky Derby just moments ago and the winner in a huge upset, the 50-1 shot, Giacomo. Well, in one of the most thrilling finishes at the derby in a long time, Closing Argument placed a close second followed by Afleet Alex. Giacomo had lost all three of his races this is year before his incredible win at Churchill Downs today. Bellamy Road, owned by New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner was the favorite going into the race.

Well, if you think that you have to be as wealthy as a king to own a thoroughbred racehorse, think again. CNN's Kathleen Hays shows us how you might be able to end up in the winner's circle.

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KATHLEEN HAYS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you love the sport of kings, but don't have a king's ransom to buy your own racehorse, you could take a gamble, and if you're lucky, move from the grand stand to the winner's circle by investing in a thoroughbred partnership like the one that owns Afleet Alex, one of the top Kentucky Derby contenders. CHUCK ZECKNEY, "CASH IS KING" STABLE: Every kid dreams of going to the World Series or the Super Bowl. Every horse owner dreams of going to the Kentucky Derby and the Breeder's Cup.

HAYS: About 30 percent of the estimated 35,000 thoroughbreds racing in the United States are owned by partnerships. Here's how they work: a group of people pool money and buy one or several horses. The initial investment typically runs between $5,000 and $100,000 or more. Partners split the cost of boarding, training, and racing their horses. Winnings are divided up in proportion to the size of each partner's investment and so are the losses.

ZECKNEY: The pluses, I guess you get to share the experience. You get to share the expenses. You're really not hooked in. You know the risk is not as big if you're out there by yourself.

HAYS: But it's still very, very risky. Investment experts say a thoroughbred stable is not a place to invest your retirement savings or your kid's college funds.

(on camera): What's the No. 1 thing people need to know to be a winner when it comes to investing in thoroughbreds?

ROSEMARY LIGOTTI, CANTELLA & CO. INC.: Do your due diligence and your homework. Read research. Look on the Web site. Go to the track. Investigate the partners and the trainers. Talk to other people that have been in partnerships with these people and see what their successes and their failures have been.

HAYS: What other investment can match the excitement of coming to the racetrack, talking to your horse's trainer, waiting for the moment when the announcer says "They're at the post. They're off!"

Kathleen Hays, CNN, Belmont Park, New York.

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LIN: Now if Kathleen Hays' report has tweaked your interest in owning a racehorse, check out this site on the Internet. Thegreatestgame.com can help you buy a racehorse or match you up with a partnership. The site is run by the Nonprofit Thoroughbred Owners and Breeder's Association and the National Thoroughbred Racing Association.

Up next, the story of an amazing mom. It is a story you won't want to miss, but first here's Al Hunt to tell what's ahead on "THE CAPITAL GANG" -- Al.

AL HUNT, CO-HOST, "THE CAPITAL GANG": "The CAPITAL GANG" will evaluate President Bush's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of his second term, accusations of sharing secret information at the Pentagon with friends of Israel and a push for congressional representation for Washington D.C. residents. All that and much more next on CNN.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: Health headlines -- older appears to be better when it comes to prescription drugs. A new survey finds seven out of 10 Americans prefer taking medication that's been on the market for at least 10 years. The reason, according to the survey, safety concerns over relatively new arthritis and depression drugs.

An intriguing study is out on smoking. The findings suggest that women whose mother's smoked while they were pregnant are less likely to develop breast cancer. Researchers at Tufts New England Medical Center say the reason may be connected to estrogen. One of the doctors stressed that the study does not suggest smoking is beneficial. He points to many other diseases caused by smoking.

Researchers may have figured out a way to screen children for autism. Scientists say children with autism show different immune system responses from kids without the brain disorder. They say it's likely that the differences could be detected in blood samples but they caution they are still years away from testing for autism.

Well, for all mothers feeling overworked and looking forward to a day of rest this Mother's Day, this story will make your life seem easy. Allan Chernoff has the inspiring story of a truly amazing mother in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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SHANNON GOLDWATER, MOTHER OF TRIPLETS WITH FEEDING DISORDER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) take a bite.

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): How can you measure a mother's love?

GOLDWATER: Good job taking that...

CHERNOFF: In Shannon Goldwater's case, one spoonful at a time, because for Lee, every bite is a challenge, every swallow an accomplishment. The same is true for Lee's brother, Will.

GOLDWATER: Hands down, please.

CHERNOFF: And their sister, Meagan.

GOLDWATER: Big girl.

CHERNOFF: Yes, Shannon is mom to triplets, all three of whom have severe feeding disorders.

GOLDWATER: Our life has felt very dominated by feeding three children four meals a day.

CHERNOFF: Lee, Will, and Meagan were born prematurely in May 2002, three months early, weighing less than two pounds each. It was a harrowing delivery for Shannon and her husband, Bob, when they learned their daughter's umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck.

GOLDWATER: At about 4:00 in the morning, I woke up and in a matter of three minutes I had about 18 doctors and nurses all over my bed. Megan had a prolapsed cord and they were doing everything they could to hold the cord off of her neck. And they said to me, "What do you want to do?" And I thought what do you mean, what do I want to do? And they said, "We could still deliver Megan vaginally and she would die but then we could stitch your cervix and allow the boys a better chance of survival or we could do an emergency c-section but then all three must come out." And I said, "Well, I need to call my husband." And they said, "We don't have time for you to call your husband." But I did reach over and picked up the phone anyway and did call Bob and we quickly made the decision that the best thing to do was to give them all an equal chance of life.

CHERNOFF: Megan's brain was bleeding at birth. In neonatal intensive care, she and her brothers had heart conditions and pneumonia. Their lungs not yet fully developed. The odds of survival were slim.

(ON CAMERA): Many people would have made a different decision. They might have sacrificed one child for the others.

GOLDWATER: I know. I thought about that before but I would never regret my decision and I feel very confident that we absolutely made the right decision and the fact that none of these kids have brain damage or cerebral palsy or so many other long-term disabilities, is really a miracle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you doing, Bud?

CHERNOFF (voice-over): The triplets spent four months in intensive care before coming home. But the struggle for Shannon and Bob, a lawyer, who is a great nephew of former presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, was only just beginning. The kids would need a total of 19 surgeries to address complications resulting from early birth.

GOLDWATER: I'm proud of my kids. I'm proud every day of everything they've overcome and the tremendous amount of will that they had to survive, because there was more than one occasion that we were called in the middle of the night and told that somebody might not make it through the night due to a pneumonia or a staph infection or other complications.

CHERNOFF (on camera): One, two, three, go! The triplets are nearly 3 years old and as you can see, they're active and playful like almost any other kids their age. That's no accident, though. Shannon coordinates a full curriculum of therapies, in fact, 18 appointments a week.

GOLDWATER: Meagan, take a bite.

CHERNOFF (voice-over): Getting the kids to eat, Shannon says, has been the hardest part of being a mother. Not only did all three refuse to eat, they couldn't keep food down. Shannon and her mother, Diana, brought the triplets last year to Kennedy Kreiger Institute in Baltimore, which has one of the nation's top pediatric feeding programs. For two months, the children were taught to eat.

GOLDWATER: Good job. Take a bite.

CHERNOFF: It takes Shannon and her mom or her nanny more than an hour to feed the kids each meal of pureed food and even then, Lee, Will and Meagan are unable to consume enough for their needs. So at night their diet is supplemented with liquid nutrients pumped from feeding tubes directly into their tummies. When nap time arrives, there's no rest for mom. She prepares food, schedules therapies and doctor appointments and tracks insurance claims.

(on camera): You have so much happening every single day. How are you able to cope?

GOLDWATER: Well, I've certainly had periods where I've been down. I let those thoughts pass quickly, and remember that somebody always has it worse than you. Just when you think you've got it as bad as you can have it, there's always going to be somebody else out there that's struggling even more than you.

DIANA STOCKETT, GRANDMOTHER: Is this Meagan's lunch bag?

CHERNOFF: Shannon's mom, Diana, a 55-year young grandmother quit her job to help five days a week.

STOCKETT: Maybe God throws things our way that he feels that we need to be there for and I have been able to be there for her.

CHERNOFF: Motherhood shouldn't be this hard. Still Shannon has only thanks for what it she calls her three little miracles.

GOLDWATER: Good job.

CHERNOFF: Part of the miracle though is that Lee, Will and Megan were born to an amazing mom like Shannon Goldwater.

GOLDWATER: I love you.

CHERNOFF: Allan Chernoff, CNN, Scottsdale, Arizona.

GOLDWATER: I know it's hard work.

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LIN: My gosh! Hats off to her.

That's all the time we have for this hour. Coming up next, "THE CAPITAL GANG." And then at 8:00 Eastern on "CNN PRESENTS: INFIDELITY," a look at changing sexual mores as surveys show a raise in infidelity. And at 9:00, "LARRY KING." Larry's guest tonight is Lisa Marie Presley. And I'll be back at 10:00 Eastern tonight with the lawyer for Wayne Williams. He's going to join me to talk about the new developments in his client's case.

A check of the hour's headlines is next and then "THE CAPITAL GANG."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: I'm Carol Lin. "CAPITAL GANG" is coming up, but first a look at what's happening right now in the news.

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