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Base Closings Have Huge Impact on Surrounding Communities; Dr. Bill Lloyd Give Medical Advice on Pain

Aired May 14, 2005 - 16:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) more power and position with the religious agenda in the military is inappropriate, and it's against regulation.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Is the Air Force Academy intolerant of religious differences. Sean Callebs looks into the allegations.

Also ahead, we take you behind the science of "CSI Miami," just what's happening in the DNA lab.

And you might want to take a close look at the bear skin hats of Queen Elizabeth's guards. They could be a endangered species.

Hello, and Welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that and more after a look at the headlines.

Millions of Americans use drugs to lower their cholesterol. Now researchers say those same drugs known as statins may also help prevent breast cancer and a range of other cancers. What's unclear, though, is how the statins reduce the risk.

More unrest in eastern Uzbekistan today. Violent confrontations between government troops and anti-government protesters have killed hundreds. Some Uzbeks are now fleeing to Kyrgyzstan. One observer said, as many as 500 people were killed in Friday's clashes, and that would making it one of the bloodiest incidents since it broke away from the former Soviet Union.

More violence in Iraq. In perhaps the deadly attack of the day, a car bomb exploded in central Baghdad. It was apparently targeting a police patrol. Two officers and three Iraqi civilians were killed, 15 others wounded. South of Baghdad the bodies of three men were found. Doctors say each man was tortured before being beheaded.

And anticipating the worst, but planning for a hopeful break on Friday the Pentagon announced what many had been fearing, a list of military bases and installations to be downsized or closed down. It's not a done deal, but towns are already worried about the economic blow. And now that initial shock is over, many are vowing to fight the plans.

Our Alina Cho is in New London, Connecticut, one of the communities effected by the Pentagon's list.

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BUD "POP" RAY, BUSINESS OWNER: What would happen to the business...

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): "Pop" Ray has been a fixture in this community for 22 years. He owns a diner, laundromat and carwash a quarter mile from the base.

RAY: And 50 percent of my business or more is the military community. So, obviously, if it were to close within one day, let's say, I would end up out of business.

CHO: But "Pop" is optimistic.

(on camera): You don't believe the base is going to close.

RAY: No, I don't. I don't. I lived through this before.

CHO (voice-over): Back in 1993, the Pentagon had threatened to close the U.S. Naval Submarine Base in Groton, Connecticut, but after heavy political lobbying, Congress scrapped the plans. This time, with Republicans in power, the outcome could be different. 8,500 people could be affected, an estimate higher than any other place in the nation. Craig Frickman could be among them.

CRAIG FRICKMAN, NAVAL BASE EMPLOYEE: It's an interesting area, long history, submariners, people that build submarines, work on submarines. Families have been here for a lot of years, a lot of history. Are we going to see some loss there -- I think so.

CHO: Frickman has worked here for 28 years. The Remperts have been here for 10. Heather's husband Ron is a submariner. She says if she has to, she and her family will move.

HEATHER REMPERT, MILITARY WIFE: We would prefer not to, but you know, it's kind of like we're military. It's a possibility, so we prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

CHO: "Pop" is 77 and says the possibility of losing his business is far less important than losing the people he calls his family.

You start to get emotional about it a little.

RAY: Yes, I can't help it. You know, it's very real.

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CHO: Very real indeed. In fact, the submarine base here is just one of four Connecticut military bases on the Pentagon's watch list. And if all of them close, Fredricka, it could mean $3.5 billion in losses to the state economy.

WHITFIELD: However, Alina, since New London isn't that far away from a major metropolitan area, New Haven, Hartford, et cetera, is there any hope from those communities that the job loss of New London, for example, might be absorbed in some capacity in the other larger cities?

CHO: Well, here's something that might cushion the blow, Fredricka. It is quite possible that if the base closes here across the river in Groton, Connecticut, that some of those jobs will be relocated to military bases in either Norfolk, Virginia or Kings Bay, Georgia. So, that is a glimmer of hope. But we shall have to wait and see. We won't know until the final report is issued on September 8. And then, of course, the president and Congress have to sign off on all of the base closings by November 7.

WHITFIELD: All right. Alina Cho, thanks so much in New London.

Well, here in Georgia, it's good news for some, bad news for others. The state would actually have a net gain of jobs if the Pentagon's recommendations are approved. Still more than 6,700 people would have to start looking for new work. More than 1,000 of them are in Fort Gillem in Forest Park, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta. The mayor of that city is Chuck Hall, and he joins me now.

All right. When we're talking about military bases and installation in rural areas, they have a different outlook than those that are in metropolitan areas. So, yours being just outside of the city of Atlanta, Fort Gillem. How hopeful are you that an awful lot of your merchants, as well as those employees there just might feel like they might be absorbed into a larger community?

MAYOR CHARLES HALL, FOREST PARK, GEORGIA: I don't see that we'll be absorbed into a larger community, but I think it's going to hurt us -- by the bases closing it's going to have an impact on all of us. And I think it's going to have to be a time that the citizens of the city of Forest Park and as well as surrounding communities, that's going to see that this is going to impact them.

WHITFIELD: how reliant -- how reliant is Forest Park on Ft. Gillem?

HALL: It's very relying -- not relying on it economy-wise, but because of where it's located, it's within our city limits, and it's a part of our community and has been since the early '40s when Fort Gillem was established.

WHITFIELD: There are some cities that we have seen in the past, when they've been subjected to base closings altogether. It's nearly turned the entire town into a ghost town. That wouldn't happen in a Forest Park, would it?

HALL: No, it would not turn us into a ghost town. It would hurt us momentarily, but yet at the same time that were are looking at the possibility of our base closing, we are already putting together a comprehensive plan for the redevelopment of the base if the property is allocated to the local community.

WHITFIELD: You are talking about, like, reuse.

HALL: Reuse.

WHITFIELD: Turning it into something or some kind of multi- faceted...

HALL: It will be utilized in the areas of single family housing, multi family housing, commercial as well as industrial development -- Recreation.

WHITFIELD: Does -- does moving toward a plan like that, when you look at reuse, do you feel that's sort of a defeatist approach, that you feel like it's almost inevitable that that base might be closed? Or is it an issue of, well this is the worst case scenario, this is what we do. Yet we still try to band together with other communities to try to fight the Pentagon's list.

HALL: Right now, we are all behind our Congressional delegates from -- in Washington. We are supportive of them. We stand behind them and ask them to call on us as they need us to fight this issue. And starting Tuesday, then the BRAC Commission will open it up to hearings from the Congressional delegates.

WHITFIELD: So, how hopeful are you that that kind of Congressional battle might bode well in your favor?

HALL: Well, right now, they say that there's possibly a 15 percent of the bases that's on the list can come off the list.

WHITFIELD: And you're hoping that Ft. Gillem might be one of those.

HALL: Is one of those. Yes, ma'am.

WHITFIELD: All right. Well, Mayor Chuck Hall of Forest Park, Georgia, thanks so much.

HALL: Thank you ma'am.

WHITFIELD: Target al Qaeda -- sources say a CIA operated drone has taken another successful shot at Osama bin Laden's terror network. The attack this week was apparently killed -- or led to the killing of a man identified as a key al Qaeda operative in Pakistan.

We get details now from CNN's Kathleen Koch at the Pentagon -- Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, the missile carried on this unmanned aerial vehicles or drones can be incredibly accurate. And inn this case they took out a man known as a bomb maker for al Qaeda. Knowledgeable sources tell CNN that Haithem al-Yemeni was killed earlier this week in Pakistan by a hellfire missile that was carried, not by a military, but a CIA drone. Al Yemeni had been tracked for some time by U.S. authorities in the region near the Afghan border.

That in hopes he would lead them to Osama bin Laden or other top terrorist figures. But Pakistani officials are denying that this attack took place on their soil. There's also some level of debate about whether or not al Yemeni's killing will prove a major setback for al Qaeda.

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KEN ROBINSON, CNN MILITARY INTEL ANALYST: This killing, if it occurred the way it's described, it does not have a tactical significance but it has a psychological significance, because it makes these terrorists know that the United States is going to bring retribution. They're going to hunt them down and attempt to capture or kill them wherever they are. But it's not significant in terms of stopping the fight, because what we are fighting is not individuals, it's not even al Qaeda, it's an ideology. And that ideology has now spread to about 60 countries.

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KOCH: ABC News reports that al Yemeni was actually in line to replace Abu Faraj al-Libbi, al Qaeda's number three man. You see his picture there. He was captured by Pakistani authorities last week in the town of Mardon (ph). But a source tells CNN, that as recently as last month, al Yemeni was not at that high a level in al Qaeda. And also al Yemeni is not even on the FBI's most wanted terrorist list. So, there is still -- still unclear how big an impact al Yemeni's killing will finally in the war on terror -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Kathleen Koch at the Pentagon, thanks so much.

Well, now to Iraq. A week-long hunt for insurgents along the country's border with Syria is over. The U.S. military says operation Matador was a success. It left more than 125 insurgents dead, and 39 people of intelligence value were detained. On the U.S. side, nine U.S. Marines were killed and 40 were wounded. U.S. forces plan to watch the area and take more action if insurgents do return.

CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. Stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

Coming up...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love the blood.

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WHITFIELD: Doctor to doctor, "CSI Miami" gets real with Dr. Gupta.

And do you hurt all the time? Later in the show, Dr. Bill Lloyd will join us with his chronic pain prescription.

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WHITFIELD: A man suspected of using his adopted daughter in Internet child pornography could be locked up for life. His daughter was the subject of an intense worldwide search, a search that ended when investigators found her safe. Police also discover the father was already in prison.

Now, as CNN's David Mattingly reports, Florida officials want to make sure he stays there for good.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More than two years, countless man hours and unknown thousands of dollars in the making, the desperate international hunt for a single child pornography victim ends in a way investigators never predicted.

LT. MATT IRWIN, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: We have located the victim in our case.

MATTINGLY: Orlando's Orange County investigators, after asking for the public's help in finding the blond-haired girl just two weeks ago, now confirms she has been identified by the FBI and is believed to now be 11 years old and in a Pennsylvania foster home.

IRWIN: By saying we have identified her, I don't know where she's at. We are working on getting that information. And I understand that there may be ongoing charges in Pennsylvania, which is the state that the victim is from.

MATTINGLY: The girl will remain unidentified to the public. According to the FBI and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, the man responsible for putting photos of the girl on the Internet is in a federal prison in Pennsylvania, serving a 15-year sentence for prediction and possession of child pornography. He pleaded guilty in September of 2003. he is identified by Orlando investigators as the girl's adopted father. But Florida authorities will now pursue molestation charges of their own.

IRWIN: In Florida, based on what we have, he would probably be facing life charges.

MATTINGLY: The international search for the girl began two years ago when Toronto authorities used computers to remove the girl from her pictures so clues could be pulled from the background. Investigators at that time said tiny pieces of evidence gave them hope they could find her.

SGT. PAUL GILLESPIE, TORONTO POLICE: You can often tell when children appear to be abused or when they are abused whether or not it's the first time or not. It's worse to see children who have just lost their spirit and they don't really react to abuse, because you know this is the cost of doing business in their own personal life and that that says something. MATTINGLY: This case immediately stood out from the 50,000 other estimated child porn victims on the Internet because someone from the public was able to identify the bed spread in this photo as one used at a resort in Orlando. The victim quickly became known as "The Hotel Girl," as authorities pushed the envelope in publicizing previously withheld information in hopes a break. They even publicized a photo of a dark-haired girl they believed was a friend of hers, someone who was not molested.

But the extraordinary effort ultimately was not a factor. And Orlando authorities say they have been told that the girl may have been rescued by federal authorities more than a year before their own investigation began. Why they were not alerted until late Thursday, they say, is not as big a concern as the well-being of the victim.

David Mattingly, CNN, Atlanta.

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WHITFIELD: The U.S. attorney for the western district of Pennsylvania tells CNN the abused girl was eventually adopted out of foster care and placed with a family.

Well, joining us live to talk about the case is Orlando investigator, Lieutenant Matt Irwin. Good to see you, Lieutenant.

LT. MATT IRWIN, ORLANDO INVESTIGATOR: Thank you very much for having me.

WHITFIELD: Well, before we talk about where the investigation goes in your jurisdiction, help us just understand, you know, how the communication can get crossed in a case like this. It turns out after an exhaustive search looking for this young girl that she is safe and sound. How does it take place? How does something like this happen where it seems to be jurisdictions or federal authorities are not communicating with one another?

IRWIN: Well, I don't have any details about how that occurred or what the issues were. As far as I know at this point, they may have very well been looking at all their databases and there just may have been such a volume that don't -- they weren't able to get to it until now. I just don't have answers for you in that regard.

WHITFIELD: Is it at all frustrating from your point of view, that so many resources were spent in your jurisdiction looking for someone who come to find out was in federal custody and safe and sound?

IRWIN: Well, I think from our point of view we're just happy that we got the case resolved. And I think it brings to light a bigger issue on how we deal with the cases in the future, and they we do -- law enforcement as whole needs a single resource to go to when these kinds of cases, these kind of images come to our attention.

WHITFIELD: For example, what do you see would be needed to help promote a better understanding? IRWIN: Well, I think that a couple things. I think that we have to have some leeway in identifying victims under certain circumstances, and whether we need some judicial review before we do that, much like a search warrant, I think it needs to be discussed. Also, I think that we need a single database that we can turn to and have some reliable sense that the victim is either identified or not.

WHITFIELD: So now, in the case of this man, the adoptive father, and now this apparent adopted child who is in a foster care now, even though he is serving time, 15 years apparently for child pornography, federal charges, child pornography, is it the case that Orange County may still try to pursue some sort of charges against him?

IRWIN: It's absolutely the case. And from my point of view, if he's ever able to get out of jail, it will be a day too soon. Down in Florida, he is looking at life in prison. And if he is -- gets anything less than that in Pennsylvania, then I would intend on asking our prosecutors here to move forward with prosecuting him here.

WHITFIELD: Well, what would be the charge? And do you have any reason to believe that there might be other alleged victims?

IRWIN: I have no reason to believe that yet. But I do -- our charges here would be capital sexual battery on a minor.

WHITFIELD: All right, Lieutenant Matt Irwin of Orange County Sheriff's Department, thanks so much for joining us.

IRWIN: Thank you for having me.

WHITFIELD: Coming up, anatomy of murder. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta is separating fact from fiction on the small screen. The secrets behind "CSI MIAMI" straight ahead.

And then, inside the U.S. Air Force Academy, is there an unwritten policy of converting cadets to Christianity? That story a little bit later.

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WHITFIELD: This "Just In." Getting around in and -- getting around in and around Manhattan never easy, but today particularly difficult. Things at a standstill in here lower Manhattan at the Brooklyn Bridge, and that's because it is closed. It has been closed now for about 30 minutes. And sources are telling CNN that it is in part because of an abandoned U-Haul vehicle that is on the bridge. And investigators are trying to figure out why it's there, how long it's been there, and for what reasons, and until that time, will that bridge will be reopened. So, for now the Brooklyn Bridge in Lower Manhattan, closed.

American television viewers love watching fictional forensic scientists involving homicides. Well, CNN's senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta examines the science behind "CSI," America's top rated television franchise in a one-hour special. "Anatomy of Murder" premieres tomorrow night at 10:00 Eastern. In this excerpt Dr. Gupta follows both the "CSI: Miami" TV cast and crew and a real CSI unit in Miami.

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SANJAY GUPTA, CNN STARR: . MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Each week, another murder, another investigation. The bodies are brought here, to the "CSI: Miami" autopsy theater, where all the equipment is state-of-the-art. Stuff you'd be hard-pressed to find even in a well-equipped hospital.

Khandi Alexander plays medical examiner Alexx Woods on "CSI: Miami."

KHANDI ALEXANDER, "DR. ALEXX WOODS": This is a real autopsy table. This is real. This is where the organs go. Up here, is where students will come and watch an autopsy. And here, of course, you know, where we keep our dead bodies. You know? All of this stuff is real in here.

GUPTA (on camera): I heard the special effects are just incredible for you even when you are standing right here. What's that like?

ALEXANDER: It's really wonderful, because all of the organs are made out of silicone. So they're the exact texture and weight of a real organ. So when you're cutting with the scalpel or removing brain or matter, it feels real. So as an actor, that just lends to your performance.

I love the blood.

GUPTA: We got our take. She loves the blood.

ALEXANDER: I love the blood. That's my favorite.

GUPTA (voice-over): Liz Devine is the supervising producer. Before going Hollywood, she spent 15 years as a criminalist with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department.

(on camera): Your role is to make sure everyone gets it right, but are you sort of, you know, do you give leniencies, you say, it's OK, you can do it like this because it makes better television?

ELIZABETH DEVINE, SUPERVISING PRODUCER, "CSI: MIAMI": In DNA, everybody has masks on, gloves on, lab coats. We forego masks when we have our characters in here, because realistically it's very difficult to understand what someone is saying if you can't see their lips. So -- and frankly, you know, people want to see Emily Procter's face.

GUPTA: Devine works closely with an old friend. John Haynes, a former L.A. police detective, who was the model for Horatio Caine, David Caruso's character.

Haynes' police career ended after a bomb blew up in his hands. They drew on his bomb squad days for the episode "Freaks and Tweaks." DEVINE: This is based on the case that John and I actually worked, where we were at a crime scene and we were actually searching a vehicle and found a bomb, and literally had to evacuate. And so we decided to make that the beginning of an episode, of a murder in a methamphetamine lab.

And anywhere you have methamphetamine, you have chemicals, and anyplace you have volatile chemicals, obviously you could have an explosion or a fire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run!

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GUPTA: For Liz Devine and John Haynes, brain-storming and mining memories together is proving to be a good second act.

(on camera): Ever think that you would be doing this sort of work here?

JOHN HAYNES, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: Never. Never. Not in a million years.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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WHITFIELD: "ANATOMY OF MURDER: CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION" premieres tomorrow night at 10:00 right here on CNN. And for online special report on crime scene investigation, including forensics fact and fiction, an interactive guide to collecting evidence, legal analysis from Jeffrey Toobin, and chance to test your forensic knowledge, logon to cnn.com/crime.

The U.S. Air Force Academy is facing allegations of religious intolerance.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't even really know the cadet, and he's like aren't you Jewish? I'm like, yes, I am. And it was like in the middle of the game or something. And he's like how do you feel that you killed Jesus?

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WHITFIELD: How the academy is dealing with these claims straight ahead.

And a little later, finding new ways to live with chronic pain. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY. We'll be right back.

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WHITFIELD: Well, welcome back, a look at our top stories right now. Sources tell CNN a missile from a CIA predator drone, like this one, killed a key al Qaeda operative in Pakistan this week. The sources say U.S. intelligence had been tracking the man hoping he would lead authorities to Osama bin Laden.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai says opponents of his policies are behind four days of protests that have left 15 people there dead. Riots erupted after a "Newsweek" report. It says interrogators at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba flushed a copy of the Koran down the toilet.

The Brooklyn Bridge is currently shut down due to an abandoned vehicle. New York authorities don't know who left it on the bridge or why. Right now, they're investigate.

Could it shape up to be a new scandal at the Air Force Academy? A Pentagon taskforce is investigating allegations of religious intolerance at the school. Some cadets and instructors are criticizing the religious atmosphere there.

Our Sean Callebs has the story.

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SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cadets march in step, governed by their honor code: "I will not lie, cheat, steal, nor tolerate anyone among us who does." But this issue lies outside the honor code, long-standing allegations of religious intolerance have surfaced, yet many are still afraid to talk about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're just terrified to come forward. They're afraid that their careers will be ruined. They have spouses, they have children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The one individual said to me you can't say who I am. My job is at stake.

CALLEBS: One who is speaking out, Captain Melinda Morton. After serving as a missile launch officer, she became a chaplain late in her career.

MORTON: I had no less than three of my fellow chaplains come to me and ask me how in the world I thought I could -- I would consider myself to be a Christian if I didn't believe that we ought be hoping and praying that everyone at the Air Force Academy would be Christian.

CALLEBS: After 2 1/2 years at the academy, Morton, a Protestant chaplain, is making her concerns public.

(on camera): One of your colleagues told us evangelicals can't check their religion at the door. Should the academy force them to check their religion at the door to separate church and state?

MORTON: To associate your power and position with a religious agenda in the military is inappropriate. And it is against regulations.

CALLEBS: But it happens at Air Force academy. MORTON: Yes, it does.

CALLEBS (voice-over): And she says that her tour at the academy has been cut short, that the Air Force is sending her to Iraq. And that it is retaliation for speaking out.

The academy says that's not the case, that Morton's deployment is a normal rotation. Since the summer of 2001, the academy has so far received 55 complaints about religious intolerance.

(on camera): Has anybody been punished at the academy for religious intolerance?

MORTON: It depends how you define punished. I know of some people who have been counseled for various things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My hope is that the academy will come to the realization...

CALLEBS (voice-over): Mikey Weinstein, himself a member of a prominent academy family, became involved in this last summer. Curtis Weinstein, then a first year cadet, made a sobering confession to his father.

MIKEY WEINSTEIN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY GRADUATE: Curtis told me that the was going to be getting into trouble. And I said what are you talking about, son? And he said the next person that calls me a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Jew or accuses me of killing Jesus, I'm going to beat the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) out of them.

And if I get court-martialed or whatever happens, you have to know that's what's going to happen.

CURTIS WEINSTEIN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY CADET: I didn't even really know the cadet. And he's like, aren't you Jewish? I'm like, yes, I am. He's like in the middle of a game or something. And he's like, how do you feel you killed Jesus?

M. WEINSTEIN: And I asked him how many times this had happened? It had happened on a large number of occasions in diverse locations at the academy with diverse number of cadets. And at that point he started to clam up. He wouldn't tell me anymore. Because he knew what I was -- he didn't want to turn me into a thermonuclear warhead.

Conference call in the morning, and then we can do the meeting...

CALLEBS: But Mikey Weinstein did explode. This from a man who himself went through the rigors of the academy.

M. WEINSTEIN: Well, this was my JAG badge when I was a JAG in the Air Force.

CALLEBS: Who served in the military's judicial system and comes from a family of military leaders. He took his concerns directly to senior officers. M. WEINSTEIN: If this was happening to Curtis, God knows what was happening to everybody else going on. Because of course, the academy...

CALLEBS: Weinstein eventually went to the media.

The academy was still recovering from a sexual assault scandal that had been exposed a few years earlier. And the Air Force had brought in new leaders, including Lieutenant General John Rosa as superintendent, and Colonel Deborah Gray to change the atmosphere.

Then, last July, about the same time that Curtis Weinstein was speaking to his father, Colonel Gray invited members of the Yale Divinity School to help the chaplains improve their work with cadets on the issues connected with sexual assault, nothing about religious tolerance. Professor Kristen Wesley led the group. They attended the basic cadet training.

This is where the molding of young cadets begins. Where they're broken down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out now, move.

CALLEBS: And built back to become officers.

KRISTEN LESLIE, YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL: If someone comes up to them with more authority, even an older cadet and says to them, we want you to be a Christian, get out of my face is not one of the appropriate responses.

CALLEBS: While observing that indoctrination process, the Yale team officially reported that it saw an academy chaplain deliver what they described as a fire and brimstone sermon to a group of more than 600 cadets.

LESLIE: The chaplain who was there in the midst of the sermon extorted his cadets that they needed to go back to their bunks and bear witness, to proselytize, to bring their bunk mates to become Christians. And if they didn't, and in fact, they would be consequences for them.

I was struck at how -- how bold the evangelical conservative message was in that environment.

CALLEBS: The Yale Divinity Group reported, that openly urging cadets to try to convert their peers was not good pastoral care and created a place of hostility for the cadets.

COL. DEBRA GRAY, A.F. ACADEMY VICE COMMANDANT: I was around basic training an awful lot, and I never saw such a sermon as this. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Obviously they observed something. I would say that that is -- each religion has a different format and different structure to what they do. And if that's the type of service it was, and it was voluntary that people participate in that, then, you know, that's what they do. CALLEBS: The critics and the academy agree that there have been a significant number of problems involving religious intolerance, the question is, are these system wide?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To me when I hear systemic, I hear leadership condoned.

CALLEBS (on camera): Not system wide.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. And so what I try to say is, one, we don't condone it. And we're doing everything we can to educate and train and hold people accountable, which is kind of a circle that leaders go through. But then when we talk systemic, does had it happen a little everywhere -- maybe. I mean, we're a big organization.

CALLEBS (voice-over): Academy chaplains say more than 9 out of 10 cadets here describe themselves as Christian. And about a third of those are evangelical. So, they represent a sizable portion of the cadet corps. Chaplain Phil Guyn knows many of the evangicals on campus and says they understand the mission of the academy.

PHIL GUYN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY CHAPLAIN: The institution of the United States air force academy is not about faith sharing. This institution is dedicated to equipping young men and women to be officers and leaders of character in the United States of America and in our nation's military.

CALLEBS: Even lunch at the academy is a military exercise involving 4,000 cadets. Melinda Morton says put yourself in their shoes. Imagine how hard it is to resist religious pressure when it comes from senior leaders.

MORTON: If the message is, you know, they got where they got because of their evangelical faith, and they have a lot of brothers, brothers in the air force going to help them out because of their evangelical faith. Boy, that's something you might think about. If you're investing all your investing here to get through the air force academy, maybe that's something you ought to think about too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can chaplains proselytize?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

CALLEBS: Last month a response to complaints...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually chaplains may not proselytize. Chaplains may not proselytize.

CALLEBS: The academy launched a system wide program to teach cadets and staff about respect, the first of what they say will be many steps to deal with problems. Melinda Morton helped draft the program, and it will be one of her last responsibilities before her new deployment to Iraq.

MORTON: I am extremely sad for my Air Force. I am extremely sad for the academy. I am -- I am beyond disheartened. It is a tragedy. These young people will be in harm's way very, very soon. And we can't provide them an example in which they can live and learn and worship. That's very sad.

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WHITFIELD: Tough talk from Mexico's president on immigration in the U.S. and the measures being used. And he's using a rather stunning description, raising a few eyebrows.

Then managing chronic pain. If over-the-counter medications don't seem to help you, Dr. Bill Lloyd has alternatives coming up on CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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WHITFIELD: A few more details now on a story we're following. The Brooklyn Bridge in lower Manhattan is at a standstill because an abandoned vehicle. Apparently a truck is on the bridge and right now reports are indicating that the NYPD helicopters are overhead trying to inspect the goings on of that truck. As well as bomb and K9 squads are also on the scene. But right now, pedestrian traffic and vehicular traffic not allowed to traverse the Brooklyn Bridge right now in Lower Manhattan. When we get more information on this, we'll, of course, bring it to you.

Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson among those not happy with Mexican's President Vincente Fox's latest comments. Fox has criticized recent steps the Bush administration has taken to curb illegal immigration from Mexico. But it was during a meeting with Texas businessmen when Fox uttered words that are now raising a few eyebrows.

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VICENTE FOX, PRESIDENT OF THE MEXICO (through translator): There's no doubt that Mexicans filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States.

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WHITFIELD: Jesse Jackson calls the comment an inaccurate stereotype of African-Americans that was unnecessary and inappropriate. He says he plans to call Fox to talk to him about it.

When the U.S. State Department was asked for reaction, a spokesman said "That level of dialogue does not merit comment. President Bush's commitment to immigration reform that is rationale, legal, common sense, decent and compassionate is well documented."

Another issue the U.S. State Department is dealing with is the violence in Uzbekistan. The country is an ally in the war on terror, but U.S. officials have been critical of its human rights record, and now say they're very concerned about the unrest there.

CNN's Mike Yardley reports.

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MIKE YARDLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Information out of the central Asian state of Uzbekistan is sketchy, since journalists, including one working for CNN were escorted from the eastern city of Andijan by police on Saturday. But InterFax quotes human rights monitors in the country who say hundreds people are dead after government soldiers opened fire in a central square where thousands of protesters had gathered on Friday. Some 3,500 people have reportedly fled Andijan, gathering at the Kyrgyzstan border which was opened to them. Neighboring Kyrgyzstan was the scene of a revolution just two months ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are, at present, 528 refugees who crossed the border in Jalalabad. They are being taken care by the government. Checked at the cross point. According to, also, government information, there is some 3,000 people waiting to cross the border from the Uzbek side to Kyrgyzstan.

YARDLEY: The violence in Andijan began when a local prison was stormed and hundreds of prisoners were reportedly freed. Tensions had been building in the city over the trial of 23 Muslims charged with religious extremism. Supporters of the accused contend the charges were made up. Uzbek president Islam Karimov describes the demonstrators as criminals and extremists. He issued a statement blaming the violence on an Islamic radical group. Mr. Karimov says their goal is to establish an Islamic state and destroy the current constitutional system.

The former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan borders Afghanistan. It offered the United States use of a military air base after the 9/11 terror attacks and has become an ally in Washington's war on terror.

Mike Yardley, CNN Center.

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WHITFIELD: Well, whether it's migraines, a sore back or arthritis millions of American's suffer from pain on a daily basis. But Dr. Bill Lloyd says you don't have to live with it. There he is. He's up next with some alternative solutions to dealing with chronic pain.

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WHITFIELD: All right. About an hour from now more of CNN LIVE SATURDAY with Carol Lin. She joins me now to look ahead for us.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we've got this special segment, a health segment now. And we're going to be talking about weight loss. All right. All the different diets out there The Zone, Weight Watchers, Atkins. We have a consumer reports guide that tells you which diet is best for you, why some of them don't work. And how to tailor it to your personality type. So we will actually give you the bottom line. WHITFIELD: And it's confusing, because there are so many things to choose from and everyone's getting different instructions from different directions.

LIN: Right. And at 10:00 tonight, I don't know if you heard the story about the doctor and his family pulled over I-80 outside of Cleveland.

WHITFIELD: Yes, tragic.

LIN: Tragic ending to that story, and now there's a manhunt. I don't know what lured them to the side of the road, but we're going to get to the bottom of that one as well.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Thanks a lot, Carol.

LIN: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: Well, whether it's migraines, arthritis or bad backs, millions of Americans deal with some form of chronic pain every day. Doctors are finding new ways to help those who hurt. Dr. Bill Lloyd is back with us. And as a surgeon and professor at the University of California Davis Medical Center he keeps up with the gains over pain.

Good to see you, Dr. Bill.

DR. BILL LLOYD, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA DAVIS MEDICAL CENTER: Good to be here Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Well, there's an awful lot to choose from, isn't there, in terms of trying to alleviate the pain, but people are rather confused about what's the right thing to do.

LLOYD: Well, if you have a doctor that says, there's nothing we can do about it. We cannot do anything at all to help you with your chronic pain. Go get yourself another doctor because, Fredricka, there are plenty of things that can be done to help people with chronic pain. It's not always a matter of aspirin and then narcotics. There's lots of other pathways that can relieve chronic pain.

WHITFIELD: So, how does someone go about trying to finding out, you know, what's the best option for them?

LLOYD: Well, with your current doctor find out the cause of the pain. That is is it a tissue problem, like a sore elbow, a nerve problem or for many people with chronic pain, a neurogenic or a psychogenic problem. That is pain signals are being fired in the brain. There's many, many different medications that your family doctor may not know about that could help. Here's a couple of examples. There's certain blood pressure medications that have pain- killing activity. There's anti-seizure medications that can be used to help for people with chronic pain. And everyone's worried about narcotics. Well, guess what, they've now discovered that narcotics blockers, the drugs like methadone actually have a pain killing effect as well, of course, without all the addictive problems.

WHITFIELD: Well, why does it seem to be the case that some folks with the same -- you know, take a group of people with the same ailment really may need to treat their pain differently.

LLOYD: There's probably three factors. People's different response to pain to begin with. Women tend to deal with childbirth better than men, for one thing. Also their individual response to the main pain medication it self, and how well they tolerate it. And over time some pain medications have less of an effect.

So, based on an individual's person's chemistry and their make up and they're mood, they'll have a different response to the pain.

WHITFIELD: And say you're somebody who doesn't want to take a pill, are there some options that really might be good options for you if you are in pain?

LLOYD: That's the important story today, and we call it integrated therapy. There's many different things other than taking powerful pills that lead you bombed to get over your chronic pain. This can include simple things like topical therapies, different types of patches or even long-acting injections that can rid you of the pain so you can get back to physical therapy and get yourself back to health. You can also see a therapist, because many people with chronic pain, rightfully so, are depressed and they need to talk about it.

And you can also consider options such as biofeedback or hypnosis which have been demonstrated to help people get better along the way and help them get over their problems with their chronic pain.

WHITFIELD: So, there are lots of options, it's important for people to ask a lot of questions, do research, and shop around even with their doctors, right?

LLOYD: Be sure you to talk to your doctors. Doctors respond when patients talk to them. Health problems, injuries, that's all part of life. But misery from chronic pain is totally optional.

WHITFIELD: All right. Dr. Bill Lloyd, thanks much. Good to see you.

LLOYD: We'll talk again soon.

WHITFIELD: Well, will another familiar British tradition go to the way of its outlawed fox hunt? People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is protesting the British Army's towering bear skin hats. PETA demands the army replace the North American black bear pelts with artificial fur. The army says fake fur just doesn't wear well. And besides the Canadian bears yielding the pelts are not killed just for their fur. The army is believed to have worn the hats since 1815.

That's going to do it for this hour of CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'll be back in a few minutes with the hours headlines.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) more power and position with the religious agenda in the military is inappropriate, and it's against regulation.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Is the Air Force Academy intolerant of religious differences. Sean Callebs looks into the allegations.

Also ahead, we take you behind the science of "CSI Miami," just what's happening in the DNA lab.

And you might want to take a close look at the bear skin hats of Queen Elizabeth's guards. They could be a endangered species.

Hello, and Welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that and more after a look at the headlines.

Millions of Americans use drugs to lower their cholesterol. Now researchers say those same drugs known as statins may also help prevent breast cancer and a range of other cancers. What's unclear, though, is how the statins reduce the risk.

More unrest in eastern Uzbekistan today. Violent confrontations between government troops and anti-government protesters have killed hundreds. Some Uzbeks are now fleeing to Kyrgyzstan. One observer said, as many as 500 people were killed in Friday's clashes, and that would making it one of the bloodiest incidents since it broke away from the former Soviet Union.

More violence in Iraq. In perhaps the deadly attack of the day, a car bomb exploded in central Baghdad. It was apparently targeting a police patrol. Two officers and three Iraqi civilians were killed, 15 others wounded. South of Baghdad the bodies of three men were found. Doctors say each man was tortured before being beheaded.

And anticipating the worst, but planning for a hopeful break on Friday the Pentagon announced what many had been fearing, a list of military bases and installations to be downsized or closed down. It's not a done deal, but towns are already worried about the economic blow. And now that initial shock is over, many are vowing to fight the plans.

Our Alina Cho is in New London, Connecticut, one of the communities effected by the Pentagon's list.

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BUD "POP" RAY, BUSINESS OWNER: What would happen to the business...

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): "Pop" Ray has been a fixture in this community for 22 years. He owns a diner, laundromat and carwash a quarter mile from the base.

RAY: And 50 percent of my business or more is the military community. So, obviously, if it were to close within one day, let's say, I would end up out of business.

CHO: But "Pop" is optimistic.

(on camera): You don't believe the base is going to close.

RAY: No, I don't. I don't. I lived through this before.

CHO (voice-over): Back in 1993, the Pentagon had threatened to close the U.S. Naval Submarine Base in Groton, Connecticut, but after heavy political lobbying, Congress scrapped the plans. This time, with Republicans in power, the outcome could be different. 8,500 people could be affected, an estimate higher than any other place in the nation. Craig Frickman could be among them.

CRAIG FRICKMAN, NAVAL BASE EMPLOYEE: It's an interesting area, long history, submariners, people that build submarines, work on submarines. Families have been here for a lot of years, a lot of history. Are we going to see some loss there -- I think so.

CHO: Frickman has worked here for 28 years. The Remperts have been here for 10. Heather's husband Ron is a submariner. She says if she has to, she and her family will move.

HEATHER REMPERT, MILITARY WIFE: We would prefer not to, but you know, it's kind of like we're military. It's a possibility, so we prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

CHO: "Pop" is 77 and says the possibility of losing his business is far less important than losing the people he calls his family.

You start to get emotional about it a little.

RAY: Yes, I can't help it. You know, it's very real.

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CHO: Very real indeed. In fact, the submarine base here is just one of four Connecticut military bases on the Pentagon's watch list. And if all of them close, Fredricka, it could mean $3.5 billion in losses to the state economy.

WHITFIELD: However, Alina, since New London isn't that far away from a major metropolitan area, New Haven, Hartford, et cetera, is there any hope from those communities that the job loss of New London, for example, might be absorbed in some capacity in the other larger cities?

CHO: Well, here's something that might cushion the blow, Fredricka. It is quite possible that if the base closes here across the river in Groton, Connecticut, that some of those jobs will be relocated to military bases in either Norfolk, Virginia or Kings Bay, Georgia. So, that is a glimmer of hope. But we shall have to wait and see. We won't know until the final report is issued on September 8. And then, of course, the president and Congress have to sign off on all of the base closings by November 7.

WHITFIELD: All right. Alina Cho, thanks so much in New London.

Well, here in Georgia, it's good news for some, bad news for others. The state would actually have a net gain of jobs if the Pentagon's recommendations are approved. Still more than 6,700 people would have to start looking for new work. More than 1,000 of them are in Fort Gillem in Forest Park, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta. The mayor of that city is Chuck Hall, and he joins me now.

All right. When we're talking about military bases and installation in rural areas, they have a different outlook than those that are in metropolitan areas. So, yours being just outside of the city of Atlanta, Fort Gillem. How hopeful are you that an awful lot of your merchants, as well as those employees there just might feel like they might be absorbed into a larger community?

MAYOR CHARLES HALL, FOREST PARK, GEORGIA: I don't see that we'll be absorbed into a larger community, but I think it's going to hurt us -- by the bases closing it's going to have an impact on all of us. And I think it's going to have to be a time that the citizens of the city of Forest Park and as well as surrounding communities, that's going to see that this is going to impact them.

WHITFIELD: how reliant -- how reliant is Forest Park on Ft. Gillem?

HALL: It's very relying -- not relying on it economy-wise, but because of where it's located, it's within our city limits, and it's a part of our community and has been since the early '40s when Fort Gillem was established.

WHITFIELD: There are some cities that we have seen in the past, when they've been subjected to base closings altogether. It's nearly turned the entire town into a ghost town. That wouldn't happen in a Forest Park, would it?

HALL: No, it would not turn us into a ghost town. It would hurt us momentarily, but yet at the same time that were are looking at the possibility of our base closing, we are already putting together a comprehensive plan for the redevelopment of the base if the property is allocated to the local community.

WHITFIELD: You are talking about, like, reuse.

HALL: Reuse.

WHITFIELD: Turning it into something or some kind of multi- faceted...

HALL: It will be utilized in the areas of single family housing, multi family housing, commercial as well as industrial development -- Recreation.

WHITFIELD: Does -- does moving toward a plan like that, when you look at reuse, do you feel that's sort of a defeatist approach, that you feel like it's almost inevitable that that base might be closed? Or is it an issue of, well this is the worst case scenario, this is what we do. Yet we still try to band together with other communities to try to fight the Pentagon's list.

HALL: Right now, we are all behind our Congressional delegates from -- in Washington. We are supportive of them. We stand behind them and ask them to call on us as they need us to fight this issue. And starting Tuesday, then the BRAC Commission will open it up to hearings from the Congressional delegates.

WHITFIELD: So, how hopeful are you that that kind of Congressional battle might bode well in your favor?

HALL: Well, right now, they say that there's possibly a 15 percent of the bases that's on the list can come off the list.

WHITFIELD: And you're hoping that Ft. Gillem might be one of those.

HALL: Is one of those. Yes, ma'am.

WHITFIELD: All right. Well, Mayor Chuck Hall of Forest Park, Georgia, thanks so much.

HALL: Thank you ma'am.

WHITFIELD: Target al Qaeda -- sources say a CIA operated drone has taken another successful shot at Osama bin Laden's terror network. The attack this week was apparently killed -- or led to the killing of a man identified as a key al Qaeda operative in Pakistan.

We get details now from CNN's Kathleen Koch at the Pentagon -- Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, the missile carried on this unmanned aerial vehicles or drones can be incredibly accurate. And inn this case they took out a man known as a bomb maker for al Qaeda. Knowledgeable sources tell CNN that Haithem al-Yemeni was killed earlier this week in Pakistan by a hellfire missile that was carried, not by a military, but a CIA drone. Al Yemeni had been tracked for some time by U.S. authorities in the region near the Afghan border.

That in hopes he would lead them to Osama bin Laden or other top terrorist figures. But Pakistani officials are denying that this attack took place on their soil. There's also some level of debate about whether or not al Yemeni's killing will prove a major setback for al Qaeda.

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KEN ROBINSON, CNN MILITARY INTEL ANALYST: This killing, if it occurred the way it's described, it does not have a tactical significance but it has a psychological significance, because it makes these terrorists know that the United States is going to bring retribution. They're going to hunt them down and attempt to capture or kill them wherever they are. But it's not significant in terms of stopping the fight, because what we are fighting is not individuals, it's not even al Qaeda, it's an ideology. And that ideology has now spread to about 60 countries.

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KOCH: ABC News reports that al Yemeni was actually in line to replace Abu Faraj al-Libbi, al Qaeda's number three man. You see his picture there. He was captured by Pakistani authorities last week in the town of Mardon (ph). But a source tells CNN, that as recently as last month, al Yemeni was not at that high a level in al Qaeda. And also al Yemeni is not even on the FBI's most wanted terrorist list. So, there is still -- still unclear how big an impact al Yemeni's killing will finally in the war on terror -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Kathleen Koch at the Pentagon, thanks so much.

Well, now to Iraq. A week-long hunt for insurgents along the country's border with Syria is over. The U.S. military says operation Matador was a success. It left more than 125 insurgents dead, and 39 people of intelligence value were detained. On the U.S. side, nine U.S. Marines were killed and 40 were wounded. U.S. forces plan to watch the area and take more action if insurgents do return.

CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. Stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

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WHITFIELD: Doctor to doctor, "CSI Miami" gets real with Dr. Gupta.

And do you hurt all the time? Later in the show, Dr. Bill Lloyd will join us with his chronic pain prescription.

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WHITFIELD: A man suspected of using his adopted daughter in Internet child pornography could be locked up for life. His daughter was the subject of an intense worldwide search, a search that ended when investigators found her safe. Police also discover the father was already in prison.

Now, as CNN's David Mattingly reports, Florida officials want to make sure he stays there for good.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More than two years, countless man hours and unknown thousands of dollars in the making, the desperate international hunt for a single child pornography victim ends in a way investigators never predicted.

LT. MATT IRWIN, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: We have located the victim in our case.

MATTINGLY: Orlando's Orange County investigators, after asking for the public's help in finding the blond-haired girl just two weeks ago, now confirms she has been identified by the FBI and is believed to now be 11 years old and in a Pennsylvania foster home.

IRWIN: By saying we have identified her, I don't know where she's at. We are working on getting that information. And I understand that there may be ongoing charges in Pennsylvania, which is the state that the victim is from.

MATTINGLY: The girl will remain unidentified to the public. According to the FBI and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, the man responsible for putting photos of the girl on the Internet is in a federal prison in Pennsylvania, serving a 15-year sentence for prediction and possession of child pornography. He pleaded guilty in September of 2003. he is identified by Orlando investigators as the girl's adopted father. But Florida authorities will now pursue molestation charges of their own.

IRWIN: In Florida, based on what we have, he would probably be facing life charges.

MATTINGLY: The international search for the girl began two years ago when Toronto authorities used computers to remove the girl from her pictures so clues could be pulled from the background. Investigators at that time said tiny pieces of evidence gave them hope they could find her.

SGT. PAUL GILLESPIE, TORONTO POLICE: You can often tell when children appear to be abused or when they are abused whether or not it's the first time or not. It's worse to see children who have just lost their spirit and they don't really react to abuse, because you know this is the cost of doing business in their own personal life and that that says something. MATTINGLY: This case immediately stood out from the 50,000 other estimated child porn victims on the Internet because someone from the public was able to identify the bed spread in this photo as one used at a resort in Orlando. The victim quickly became known as "The Hotel Girl," as authorities pushed the envelope in publicizing previously withheld information in hopes a break. They even publicized a photo of a dark-haired girl they believed was a friend of hers, someone who was not molested.

But the extraordinary effort ultimately was not a factor. And Orlando authorities say they have been told that the girl may have been rescued by federal authorities more than a year before their own investigation began. Why they were not alerted until late Thursday, they say, is not as big a concern as the well-being of the victim.

David Mattingly, CNN, Atlanta.

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WHITFIELD: The U.S. attorney for the western district of Pennsylvania tells CNN the abused girl was eventually adopted out of foster care and placed with a family.

Well, joining us live to talk about the case is Orlando investigator, Lieutenant Matt Irwin. Good to see you, Lieutenant.

LT. MATT IRWIN, ORLANDO INVESTIGATOR: Thank you very much for having me.

WHITFIELD: Well, before we talk about where the investigation goes in your jurisdiction, help us just understand, you know, how the communication can get crossed in a case like this. It turns out after an exhaustive search looking for this young girl that she is safe and sound. How does it take place? How does something like this happen where it seems to be jurisdictions or federal authorities are not communicating with one another?

IRWIN: Well, I don't have any details about how that occurred or what the issues were. As far as I know at this point, they may have very well been looking at all their databases and there just may have been such a volume that don't -- they weren't able to get to it until now. I just don't have answers for you in that regard.

WHITFIELD: Is it at all frustrating from your point of view, that so many resources were spent in your jurisdiction looking for someone who come to find out was in federal custody and safe and sound?

IRWIN: Well, I think from our point of view we're just happy that we got the case resolved. And I think it brings to light a bigger issue on how we deal with the cases in the future, and they we do -- law enforcement as whole needs a single resource to go to when these kinds of cases, these kind of images come to our attention.

WHITFIELD: For example, what do you see would be needed to help promote a better understanding? IRWIN: Well, I think that a couple things. I think that we have to have some leeway in identifying victims under certain circumstances, and whether we need some judicial review before we do that, much like a search warrant, I think it needs to be discussed. Also, I think that we need a single database that we can turn to and have some reliable sense that the victim is either identified or not.

WHITFIELD: So now, in the case of this man, the adoptive father, and now this apparent adopted child who is in a foster care now, even though he is serving time, 15 years apparently for child pornography, federal charges, child pornography, is it the case that Orange County may still try to pursue some sort of charges against him?

IRWIN: It's absolutely the case. And from my point of view, if he's ever able to get out of jail, it will be a day too soon. Down in Florida, he is looking at life in prison. And if he is -- gets anything less than that in Pennsylvania, then I would intend on asking our prosecutors here to move forward with prosecuting him here.

WHITFIELD: Well, what would be the charge? And do you have any reason to believe that there might be other alleged victims?

IRWIN: I have no reason to believe that yet. But I do -- our charges here would be capital sexual battery on a minor.

WHITFIELD: All right, Lieutenant Matt Irwin of Orange County Sheriff's Department, thanks so much for joining us.

IRWIN: Thank you for having me.

WHITFIELD: Coming up, anatomy of murder. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta is separating fact from fiction on the small screen. The secrets behind "CSI MIAMI" straight ahead.

And then, inside the U.S. Air Force Academy, is there an unwritten policy of converting cadets to Christianity? That story a little bit later.

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WHITFIELD: This "Just In." Getting around in and -- getting around in and around Manhattan never easy, but today particularly difficult. Things at a standstill in here lower Manhattan at the Brooklyn Bridge, and that's because it is closed. It has been closed now for about 30 minutes. And sources are telling CNN that it is in part because of an abandoned U-Haul vehicle that is on the bridge. And investigators are trying to figure out why it's there, how long it's been there, and for what reasons, and until that time, will that bridge will be reopened. So, for now the Brooklyn Bridge in Lower Manhattan, closed.

American television viewers love watching fictional forensic scientists involving homicides. Well, CNN's senior medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta examines the science behind "CSI," America's top rated television franchise in a one-hour special. "Anatomy of Murder" premieres tomorrow night at 10:00 Eastern. In this excerpt Dr. Gupta follows both the "CSI: Miami" TV cast and crew and a real CSI unit in Miami.

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SANJAY GUPTA, CNN STARR: . MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Each week, another murder, another investigation. The bodies are brought here, to the "CSI: Miami" autopsy theater, where all the equipment is state-of-the-art. Stuff you'd be hard-pressed to find even in a well-equipped hospital.

Khandi Alexander plays medical examiner Alexx Woods on "CSI: Miami."

KHANDI ALEXANDER, "DR. ALEXX WOODS": This is a real autopsy table. This is real. This is where the organs go. Up here, is where students will come and watch an autopsy. And here, of course, you know, where we keep our dead bodies. You know? All of this stuff is real in here.

GUPTA (on camera): I heard the special effects are just incredible for you even when you are standing right here. What's that like?

ALEXANDER: It's really wonderful, because all of the organs are made out of silicone. So they're the exact texture and weight of a real organ. So when you're cutting with the scalpel or removing brain or matter, it feels real. So as an actor, that just lends to your performance.

I love the blood.

GUPTA: We got our take. She loves the blood.

ALEXANDER: I love the blood. That's my favorite.

GUPTA (voice-over): Liz Devine is the supervising producer. Before going Hollywood, she spent 15 years as a criminalist with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department.

(on camera): Your role is to make sure everyone gets it right, but are you sort of, you know, do you give leniencies, you say, it's OK, you can do it like this because it makes better television?

ELIZABETH DEVINE, SUPERVISING PRODUCER, "CSI: MIAMI": In DNA, everybody has masks on, gloves on, lab coats. We forego masks when we have our characters in here, because realistically it's very difficult to understand what someone is saying if you can't see their lips. So -- and frankly, you know, people want to see Emily Procter's face.

GUPTA: Devine works closely with an old friend. John Haynes, a former L.A. police detective, who was the model for Horatio Caine, David Caruso's character.

Haynes' police career ended after a bomb blew up in his hands. They drew on his bomb squad days for the episode "Freaks and Tweaks." DEVINE: This is based on the case that John and I actually worked, where we were at a crime scene and we were actually searching a vehicle and found a bomb, and literally had to evacuate. And so we decided to make that the beginning of an episode, of a murder in a methamphetamine lab.

And anywhere you have methamphetamine, you have chemicals, and anyplace you have volatile chemicals, obviously you could have an explosion or a fire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody, run!

GUPTA: For Liz Devine and John Haynes, brain-storming and mining memories together is proving to be a good second act.

(on camera): Ever think that you would be doing this sort of work here?

JOHN HAYNES, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: Never. Never. Not in a million years.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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WHITFIELD: "ANATOMY OF MURDER: CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION" premieres tomorrow night at 10:00 right here on CNN. And for online special report on crime scene investigation, including forensics fact and fiction, an interactive guide to collecting evidence, legal analysis from Jeffrey Toobin, and chance to test your forensic knowledge, logon to cnn.com/crime.

The U.S. Air Force Academy is facing allegations of religious intolerance.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't even really know the cadet, and he's like aren't you Jewish? I'm like, yes, I am. And it was like in the middle of the game or something. And he's like how do you feel that you killed Jesus?

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WHITFIELD: How the academy is dealing with these claims straight ahead.

And a little later, finding new ways to live with chronic pain. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY. We'll be right back.

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Could it shape up to be a new scandal at the Air Force Academy? A Pentagon taskforce is investigating allegations of religious intolerance at the school. Some cadets and instructors are criticizing the religious atmosphere there.

Our Sean Callebs has the story.

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SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cadets march in step, governed by their honor code: "I will not lie, cheat, steal, nor tolerate anyone among us who does." But this issue lies outside the honor code, long-standing allegations of religious intolerance have surfaced, yet many are still afraid to talk about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're just terrified to come forward. They're afraid that their careers will be ruined. They have spouses, they have children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The one individual said to me you can't say who I am. My job is at stake.

CALLEBS: One who is speaking out, Captain Melinda Morton. After serving as a missile launch officer, she became a chaplain late in her career.

MORTON: I had no less than three of my fellow chaplains come to me and ask me how in the world I thought I could -- I would consider myself to be a Christian if I didn't believe that we ought be hoping and praying that everyone at the Air Force Academy would be Christian.

CALLEBS: After 2 1/2 years at the academy, Morton, a Protestant chaplain, is making her concerns public.

(on camera): One of your colleagues told us evangelicals can't check their religion at the door. Should the academy force them to check their religion at the door to separate church and state?

MORTON: To associate your power and position with a religious agenda in the military is inappropriate. And it is against regulations.

CALLEBS: But it happens at Air Force academy. MORTON: Yes, it does.

CALLEBS (voice-over): And she says that her tour at the academy has been cut short, that the Air Force is sending her to Iraq. And that it is retaliation for speaking out.

The academy says that's not the case, that Morton's deployment is a normal rotation. Since the summer of 2001, the academy has so far received 55 complaints about religious intolerance.

(on camera): Has anybody been punished at the academy for religious intolerance?

MORTON: It depends how you define punished. I know of some people who have been counseled for various things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My hope is that the academy will come to the realization...

CALLEBS (voice-over): Mikey Weinstein, himself a member of a prominent academy family, became involved in this last summer. Curtis Weinstein, then a first year cadet, made a sobering confession to his father.

MIKEY WEINSTEIN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY GRADUATE: Curtis told me that the was going to be getting into trouble. And I said what are you talking about, son? And he said the next person that calls me a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Jew or accuses me of killing Jesus, I'm going to beat the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) out of them.

And if I get court-martialed or whatever happens, you have to know that's what's going to happen.

CURTIS WEINSTEIN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY CADET: I didn't even really know the cadet. And he's like, aren't you Jewish? I'm like, yes, I am. He's like in the middle of a game or something. And he's like, how do you feel you killed Jesus?

M. WEINSTEIN: And I asked him how many times this had happened? It had happened on a large number of occasions in diverse locations at the academy with diverse number of cadets. And at that point he started to clam up. He wouldn't tell me anymore. Because he knew what I was -- he didn't want to turn me into a thermonuclear warhead.

Conference call in the morning, and then we can do the meeting...

CALLEBS: But Mikey Weinstein did explode. This from a man who himself went through the rigors of the academy.

M. WEINSTEIN: Well, this was my JAG badge when I was a JAG in the Air Force.

CALLEBS: Who served in the military's judicial system and comes from a family of military leaders. He took his concerns directly to senior officers. M. WEINSTEIN: If this was happening to Curtis, God knows what was happening to everybody else going on. Because of course, the academy...

CALLEBS: Weinstein eventually went to the media.

The academy was still recovering from a sexual assault scandal that had been exposed a few years earlier. And the Air Force had brought in new leaders, including Lieutenant General John Rosa as superintendent, and Colonel Deborah Gray to change the atmosphere.

Then, last July, about the same time that Curtis Weinstein was speaking to his father, Colonel Gray invited members of the Yale Divinity School to help the chaplains improve their work with cadets on the issues connected with sexual assault, nothing about religious tolerance. Professor Kristen Wesley led the group. They attended the basic cadet training.

This is where the molding of young cadets begins. Where they're broken down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out now, move.

CALLEBS: And built back to become officers.

KRISTEN LESLIE, YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL: If someone comes up to them with more authority, even an older cadet and says to them, we want you to be a Christian, get out of my face is not one of the appropriate responses.

CALLEBS: While observing that indoctrination process, the Yale team officially reported that it saw an academy chaplain deliver what they described as a fire and brimstone sermon to a group of more than 600 cadets.

LESLIE: The chaplain who was there in the midst of the sermon extorted his cadets that they needed to go back to their bunks and bear witness, to proselytize, to bring their bunk mates to become Christians. And if they didn't, and in fact, they would be consequences for them.

I was struck at how -- how bold the evangelical conservative message was in that environment.

CALLEBS: The Yale Divinity Group reported, that openly urging cadets to try to convert their peers was not good pastoral care and created a place of hostility for the cadets.

COL. DEBRA GRAY, A.F. ACADEMY VICE COMMANDANT: I was around basic training an awful lot, and I never saw such a sermon as this. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Obviously they observed something. I would say that that is -- each religion has a different format and different structure to what they do. And if that's the type of service it was, and it was voluntary that people participate in that, then, you know, that's what they do. CALLEBS: The critics and the academy agree that there have been a significant number of problems involving religious intolerance, the question is, are these system wide?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To me when I hear systemic, I hear leadership condoned.

CALLEBS (on camera): Not system wide.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. And so what I try to say is, one, we don't condone it. And we're doing everything we can to educate and train and hold people accountable, which is kind of a circle that leaders go through. But then when we talk systemic, does had it happen a little everywhere -- maybe. I mean, we're a big organization.

CALLEBS (voice-over): Academy chaplains say more than 9 out of 10 cadets here describe themselves as Christian. And about a third of those are evangelical. So, they represent a sizable portion of the cadet corps. Chaplain Phil Guyn knows many of the evangicals on campus and says they understand the mission of the academy.

PHIL GUYN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY CHAPLAIN: The institution of the United States air force academy is not about faith sharing. This institution is dedicated to equipping young men and women to be officers and leaders of character in the United States of America and in our nation's military.

CALLEBS: Even lunch at the academy is a military exercise involving 4,000 cadets. Melinda Morton says put yourself in their shoes. Imagine how hard it is to resist religious pressure when it comes from senior leaders.

MORTON: If the message is, you know, they got where they got because of their evangelical faith, and they have a lot of brothers, brothers in the air force going to help them out because of their evangelical faith. Boy, that's something you might think about. If you're investing all your investing here to get through the air force academy, maybe that's something you ought to think about too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can chaplains proselytize?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

CALLEBS: Last month a response to complaints...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually chaplains may not proselytize. Chaplains may not proselytize.

CALLEBS: The academy launched a system wide program to teach cadets and staff about respect, the first of what they say will be many steps to deal with problems. Melinda Morton helped draft the program, and it will be one of her last responsibilities before her new deployment to Iraq.

MORTON: I am extremely sad for my Air Force. I am extremely sad for the academy. I am -- I am beyond disheartened. It is a tragedy. These young people will be in harm's way very, very soon. And we can't provide them an example in which they can live and learn and worship. That's very sad.

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WHITFIELD: Tough talk from Mexico's president on immigration in the U.S. and the measures being used. And he's using a rather stunning description, raising a few eyebrows.

Then managing chronic pain. If over-the-counter medications don't seem to help you, Dr. Bill Lloyd has alternatives coming up on CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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WHITFIELD: A few more details now on a story we're following. The Brooklyn Bridge in lower Manhattan is at a standstill because an abandoned vehicle. Apparently a truck is on the bridge and right now reports are indicating that the NYPD helicopters are overhead trying to inspect the goings on of that truck. As well as bomb and K9 squads are also on the scene. But right now, pedestrian traffic and vehicular traffic not allowed to traverse the Brooklyn Bridge right now in Lower Manhattan. When we get more information on this, we'll, of course, bring it to you.

Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson among those not happy with Mexican's President Vincente Fox's latest comments. Fox has criticized recent steps the Bush administration has taken to curb illegal immigration from Mexico. But it was during a meeting with Texas businessmen when Fox uttered words that are now raising a few eyebrows.

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VICENTE FOX, PRESIDENT OF THE MEXICO (through translator): There's no doubt that Mexicans filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States.

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WHITFIELD: Jesse Jackson calls the comment an inaccurate stereotype of African-Americans that was unnecessary and inappropriate. He says he plans to call Fox to talk to him about it.

When the U.S. State Department was asked for reaction, a spokesman said "That level of dialogue does not merit comment. President Bush's commitment to immigration reform that is rationale, legal, common sense, decent and compassionate is well documented."

Another issue the U.S. State Department is dealing with is the violence in Uzbekistan. The country is an ally in the war on terror, but U.S. officials have been critical of its human rights record, and now say they're very concerned about the unrest there.

CNN's Mike Yardley reports.

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MIKE YARDLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Information out of the central Asian state of Uzbekistan is sketchy, since journalists, including one working for CNN were escorted from the eastern city of Andijan by police on Saturday. But InterFax quotes human rights monitors in the country who say hundreds people are dead after government soldiers opened fire in a central square where thousands of protesters had gathered on Friday. Some 3,500 people have reportedly fled Andijan, gathering at the Kyrgyzstan border which was opened to them. Neighboring Kyrgyzstan was the scene of a revolution just two months ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are, at present, 528 refugees who crossed the border in Jalalabad. They are being taken care by the government. Checked at the cross point. According to, also, government information, there is some 3,000 people waiting to cross the border from the Uzbek side to Kyrgyzstan.

YARDLEY: The violence in Andijan began when a local prison was stormed and hundreds of prisoners were reportedly freed. Tensions had been building in the city over the trial of 23 Muslims charged with religious extremism. Supporters of the accused contend the charges were made up. Uzbek president Islam Karimov describes the demonstrators as criminals and extremists. He issued a statement blaming the violence on an Islamic radical group. Mr. Karimov says their goal is to establish an Islamic state and destroy the current constitutional system.

The former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan borders Afghanistan. It offered the United States use of a military air base after the 9/11 terror attacks and has become an ally in Washington's war on terror.

Mike Yardley, CNN Center.

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WHITFIELD: Well, whether it's migraines, a sore back or arthritis millions of American's suffer from pain on a daily basis. But Dr. Bill Lloyd says you don't have to live with it. There he is. He's up next with some alternative solutions to dealing with chronic pain.

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WHITFIELD: All right. About an hour from now more of CNN LIVE SATURDAY with Carol Lin. She joins me now to look ahead for us.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we've got this special segment, a health segment now. And we're going to be talking about weight loss. All right. All the different diets out there The Zone, Weight Watchers, Atkins. We have a consumer reports guide that tells you which diet is best for you, why some of them don't work. And how to tailor it to your personality type. So we will actually give you the bottom line. WHITFIELD: And it's confusing, because there are so many things to choose from and everyone's getting different instructions from different directions.

LIN: Right. And at 10:00 tonight, I don't know if you heard the story about the doctor and his family pulled over I-80 outside of Cleveland.

WHITFIELD: Yes, tragic.

LIN: Tragic ending to that story, and now there's a manhunt. I don't know what lured them to the side of the road, but we're going to get to the bottom of that one as well.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Thanks a lot, Carol.

LIN: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: Well, whether it's migraines, arthritis or bad backs, millions of Americans deal with some form of chronic pain every day. Doctors are finding new ways to help those who hurt. Dr. Bill Lloyd is back with us. And as a surgeon and professor at the University of California Davis Medical Center he keeps up with the gains over pain.

Good to see you, Dr. Bill.

DR. BILL LLOYD, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA DAVIS MEDICAL CENTER: Good to be here Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Well, there's an awful lot to choose from, isn't there, in terms of trying to alleviate the pain, but people are rather confused about what's the right thing to do.

LLOYD: Well, if you have a doctor that says, there's nothing we can do about it. We cannot do anything at all to help you with your chronic pain. Go get yourself another doctor because, Fredricka, there are plenty of things that can be done to help people with chronic pain. It's not always a matter of aspirin and then narcotics. There's lots of other pathways that can relieve chronic pain.

WHITFIELD: So, how does someone go about trying to finding out, you know, what's the best option for them?

LLOYD: Well, with your current doctor find out the cause of the pain. That is is it a tissue problem, like a sore elbow, a nerve problem or for many people with chronic pain, a neurogenic or a psychogenic problem. That is pain signals are being fired in the brain. There's many, many different medications that your family doctor may not know about that could help. Here's a couple of examples. There's certain blood pressure medications that have pain- killing activity. There's anti-seizure medications that can be used to help for people with chronic pain. And everyone's worried about narcotics. Well, guess what, they've now discovered that narcotics blockers, the drugs like methadone actually have a pain killing effect as well, of course, without all the addictive problems.

WHITFIELD: Well, why does it seem to be the case that some folks with the same -- you know, take a group of people with the same ailment really may need to treat their pain differently.

LLOYD: There's probably three factors. People's different response to pain to begin with. Women tend to deal with childbirth better than men, for one thing. Also their individual response to the main pain medication it self, and how well they tolerate it. And over time some pain medications have less of an effect.

So, based on an individual's person's chemistry and their make up and they're mood, they'll have a different response to the pain.

WHITFIELD: And say you're somebody who doesn't want to take a pill, are there some options that really might be good options for you if you are in pain?

LLOYD: That's the important story today, and we call it integrated therapy. There's many different things other than taking powerful pills that lead you bombed to get over your chronic pain. This can include simple things like topical therapies, different types of patches or even long-acting injections that can rid you of the pain so you can get back to physical therapy and get yourself back to health. You can also see a therapist, because many people with chronic pain, rightfully so, are depressed and they need to talk about it.

And you can also consider options such as biofeedback or hypnosis which have been demonstrated to help people get better along the way and help them get over their problems with their chronic pain.

WHITFIELD: So, there are lots of options, it's important for people to ask a lot of questions, do research, and shop around even with their doctors, right?

LLOYD: Be sure you to talk to your doctors. Doctors respond when patients talk to them. Health problems, injuries, that's all part of life. But misery from chronic pain is totally optional.

WHITFIELD: All right. Dr. Bill Lloyd, thanks much. Good to see you.

LLOYD: We'll talk again soon.

WHITFIELD: Well, will another familiar British tradition go to the way of its outlawed fox hunt? People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is protesting the British Army's towering bear skin hats. PETA demands the army replace the North American black bear pelts with artificial fur. The army says fake fur just doesn't wear well. And besides the Canadian bears yielding the pelts are not killed just for their fur. The army is believed to have worn the hats since 1815.

That's going to do it for this hour of CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'll be back in a few minutes with the hours headlines.

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