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Operation Spear in Iraq; Trial of Former Klan Member; Hacker Strikes Credit Card Processor; Fort Detrick to House Bio-terrorism Response Facility
Aired June 18, 2005 - 16:00 ET
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WHITFIELD: Robbing banks with a computer mouse instead of a gun. The latest possible victims, 40 million credit card customers. You could be a victim and not even know it.
Also ahead, an exclusive look inside the military operations in western Iraq, and the gruesome discovery of a torture chamber.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They put the rope around my neck, and they pushed me up under the tree where (INAUDIBLE) and when they did that, I thought that was the end of the road.
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WHITFIELD: Moments away from being lynched and then sudden salvation. This man recalls the real-life terror of what some call the black holocaust.
Hello, and welcome to CNN SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that, and more, after a check of the headlines.
Violence in Gaza today. Palestinians fired two rockets at an Israeli settlement. They hit an open area, causing no damage. Palestinian militants and Israeli troops exchanged gunfire at another settlement in Gaza. One of the militants was killed. The other injured.
New developments in the case of an Alabama teen missing in Aruba. Today a judge extended the detentions of three men held in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. A fourth man, arrested yesterday, is expected to appear in court Monday.
A massive protest in Spain today, 20 Roman Catholic bishops led hundreds of thousands of demonstrators through downtown Madrid. They're protesting legislation that would legalize gay marriage and allow gay couples to adopt children.
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It's becoming both the most valuable and vulnerable commodity of the 21st century, your personal information. In the past few months, hundreds of thousands of people found out their precious data was stolen or misplaced. Suddenly that number has grown into the millions. If you use plastic, you may be at risk. CNN's Chris Huntington explains.
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CHRIS HUNTINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The FBI is investigating what may be the biggest criminal security breach of credit card information, ever. The names and numbers on some 40 million credit card accounts appear to have been stolen from the computers of CardSystems Solutions, a processor of credit card transactions in Tucson, Arizona. Twenty-two million Visa card accounts and nearly 14 million MasterCard accounts were compromised, according to the companies.
HOOFNAGLE: This one is looking more and more like an Exxon Valdez privacy, where literally tens of millions of accounts have been compromised. The big risk here is massive amounts of credit card fraud.
HUNTINGTON: Massive indeed. The number of accounts breached at CardSystems Solutions is nearly 10 times that of the previous five biggest reported data losses combined. From a unit of CitiGroup, Bank of America, CNN's parent company Time Warner, Ameritrade and ChoicePoint.
How could CardSystems lose control of 40 million accounts? Dan Clements a data security professional and expert at retrieving stolen computer files says thieves on the inside could have dumped data on to disks, hacked in from the outside with a virus, or most likely, exploited well known weak spots in the company's computer system using access codes that can be found on the internet.
DAN CLEMENTS, CORDCOPS.COM: They scan the server of the bank, or processor, for known vulnerabilities: Files unprotected. And what they do is they load in 1,000 different files into a scanner and they just hit submit and it goes to that server, looks for a hole and if they find the hole, bingo, they're in the server and they have access to 40 million records. It's that simple.
HUNTINGTON: Both Visa and MasterCard tell CNN that CardSystems Solutions was not in compliance with their security requirements. CardSystems says it discovered the, quote, "potential security incident" on May 22, told the FBI the next day, then told Visa and MasterCard.
LINDA FORD, CARDSYSTEMS SOLUTIONS: We called in a third party forensics investigator that happens to actually be certified with MasterCard, to come in here and to do a complete investigation, scan of everything, to actually image systems and to go back and do a research on what was going on.
HUNTINGTON: MasterCard tells CNN that it has detected only a small amount of fraudulent activity in the accounts lost from CardSystems and that because the data did not contain social security number nor addresses, identity theft would be highly unlikely.
Chris Huntington, CNN, New York.
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WHITFIELD: So, how can you tell if your credit card number has been stolen, and what should you do if that happens? CNN senior correspondent Allan Chernoff joins us from New York with some tips. Allan?
ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, the major credit card-issuing companies say they are going to contact you if your credit card is among those 40 million whose number was stolen by a hacker or hackers. Of course, many people simply don't want to wait. They don't want to wait to get a letter from their bank or phone call. So, they're picking up the phone and using those toll-free numbers on the back of the card to call. As you might expect, the phone lines are absolutely swamped, the banks tell us. But that's understandable, because it is possible that at this very moment somebody is using your card number to go on a shopping spree.
However, there is no risk that someone is using that card number, a duplicate card, perhaps, to try to take money out from an automatic teller machine, because no personal identification numbers were accessed here. Of course, those are entirely private.
Now, the best line of defense over here is for consumers to check their statements. Before they send any check to the credit card companies, they want to look at their credit card statements, look at those paper statements, or check them online, or even call up the credit card companies and they'll be happy to read back to you your last few transactions. This is so important in this age of high technology, and an age of many hackers out there. So certainly, critical.
The other thing you can do is to simply ask for a new credit card. I've done this myself in the past, and the credit card companies are glad to cancel your card, and then send you an entirely new card with a new account number. But still, that's not going to protect you entirely. You're going to have to continue to look at those statements, keep track of what you're buying with your credit card. Fredricka?
WHITFIELD: Great advice. Thanks so much, Allan Chernoff.
Now, to Iraq, and its version of the wild west. Hundreds of U.S. and Iraqi troops are taking aim at insurgents and foreign fighters in a lawless area near the Syrian border. The U.S. military calls it Operation Spear. Today, U.S. Marines battled it out with insurgents holed up in a bunker complex in the town of Karabila. They've also freed a group of men found in a house of horrors. CNN's Jane Arraf is embedded with U.S. troops in the region and has this exclusive report.
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JANE ARRAF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the worst of the rooms. Very heavy rope hanging here from the ceiling. They say they were hung here by their feet. One of them tells us that as he was hung, he was dipped in water. His head dipped first in a bucket of water. They would bring him up again, and then they would give him electric shocks. These people's wounds are absolutely horrendous.
They're much too afraid for us to even show their feet or their hands on television. They even say someone would recognize their voices and would come and kill them. They've been absolutely terrorized. The man who seems to have gotten the worst of the beatings is a member of the border police. He was seized about two weeks ago and he says that they whipped him with electric cables. On his back, it's absolutely covered with welts in a crisscross pattern.
They've been trying to get the handcuff off his hand, and they've managed to succeed on all the rest of them. Their feet and their hands were bound, but his hand is so swollen -- his wrist seems to be broken -- that they've tried wire cutters, bolt cutters, everything, and they can't get it of without causing him intense pain.
All of them say they don't know why they were held. One Marine official tells us it's believed that it might be partly because they're from a tribe that has been opposed to the insurgents, and particularly the foreign fighters here. There are two young men who didn't have any job at all. They said they were just taken here, threatened with death. They said people barely spoke to them, their captors, except to whisper in their ears that they would be killed.
The two others were border policemen. They had identification on them, and they suffered the worst of the beatings. They still say they don't know who was holding them. They don't know if they were Iraqi. They don't know if they were foreign. The only thing they know is they were horribly, treated.
This was the original reason that they were interested in this compound. It's a neighborhood known that is known, they say, to be a hotbed of insurgents and foreign fighters and here they thought they might find a car bomb factory. They fired rockets and other ammunition at these cars. This one they say would have been a potential car bomb or even a suicide bomb. It had that many explosives in it, judging by the secondary explosions.
This whole compound, they've found ammunitions, they found things that indicate to them that there were serious insurgents or foreign fighters located here, but they didn't know until they actually arrived the Marines and Iraqi forces, that they'd find something even worse.
Jane Arraf, CNN, reporting from Karabila, Iraq.
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WHITFIELD: The war in Iraq has been taking a toll on the president's approval ratings. One recent poll showed 42 percent of those surveyed think that President George Bush is doing a good job; 51 percent disapprove of his performance. In his radio address today, Mr. Bush said the war is worth the sacrifice.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Troops are fighting these terrorists in Iraq so you will not have to face them here at home. We mourn every one of these brave men and women who've given his or her life for our liberty. The terrorists know they cannot defeat our troops so they seek to weaken our nation's resolve. They know there's no room for them in a free and Democratic Middle East. So, the terrorists and insurgents are trying to get us to retreat.
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WHITFIELD: Some lawmakers are growing impatient with the U.S. involvement in Iraq. A bipartisan group of House members is proposing a bill calling on the Bush administration to begin withdrawing troops by October of next year.
The state doesn't waste any time presenting its case against the accused. What's ahead for the defense in the trial of Edgar Ray Killen? A live report from Mississippi.
And...
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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): And what was their plan, once they got you down there?
CAMERON: To hang me.
JOHNS: And where were they going to put you?
CAMERON: Hang me right there. (ph)
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WHITFIELD: Recalling the most terrifying night of his life, one man reflects on the dark days of America's past. His story when CNN LIVE SATURDAY returns.
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WHITFIELD: Lauren Manning is a survivor, one of the few stories of hope to come out of the destruction of September 11. In CNN's anniversary series "Then and Now," Paula Zahn looks at her story, and where she is today.
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PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Lauren Manning is considered a September 11 miracle. The Candor-Fitzgerald (ph) vice president was going into the World Trade Center when a fire ball exploded down the elevator shaft, blowing her out the door and setting her on fire.
LAUREN MANNING, 9/11 SURVIVOR: As I was running, I was, you know, praying, probably screaming, to God, please, you know, help me, help me. You know, I can't leave now. It's not my time to leave. ZAHN: Manning was burned over 80 percent of her body, and spent six weeks in a drug-induced coma. Her husband Greg was by her side the whole time.
GREG MANNING, HUSBAND OF LAUREN: I was going to stand by her. I was going to be with her every step of the way. I was going to do everything I could to get her through it.
ZAHN: Lauren says she decided to live for her family.
L. MANNING: I have the most incredible love for my husband and my son. They have served as the ultimate energizers.
ZAHN: Her husband Greg's powerful daily e-mails about Lauren's battle for life are contained in the best-selling book "Love Greg and Lauren." Lauren has never read it.
L. MANNING: I'm living Greg's book, so when I'm ready to go back for a good review, then I'm sure I will pick it up.
ZAHN: After dozens of surgeries, Lauren still has many more to go, and undergoes daily physical and occupational therapy.
L. MANNING: I feel privileged to have life, and I have sought to make the most of every moment that I have.
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WHITFIELD: In Mississippi, the defense has begun calling witnesses in a triple murder more than 40 years ago. Prosecutors rested earlier today. On trial is an 80-year-old part-time preacher in a wheelchair. He's also a former clan leader. CNN's Catherine Callaway is in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where the trial is taking place. Catherine?
CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Fredricka.
That's right, Fredricka, around noon today the court actually recessed for the weekend. The judge gave the jury Father's Day off. They'll be back in court on Monday.
On this third day of testimony, though, in this murder trial of 80-year-old Edgar Ray Killen, it began with the state trying once again to make the victims of this 41-year-old murder case seem very real to the jury. The 82-year-old mother of civil rights worker James Chaney wept on the stand several times today as she recalled the day her son died back in 1964. And Fannie Leigh Chaney also said that she was forced to flee Philadelphia after the murders because she feared for her life.
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FANNIE LEIGH CHANEY, JAMES CHANEY'S MOTHER: They would threaten me so bad, me and my little son, Ben. They told me they were going to put dynamite under the house, blow us to bits and everything. And I better get on away from them, because I wasn't going to be there long before they'd be -- I would be put in a hole like James was.
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CALLAWAY: Now, the state rested right after Chaney's testimony, and the defense began to present its case, bringing a minister to the stand and two of Killen's siblings.
Now, in cross-examination, the district attorney, Mark Duncan, actually found himself in the line of fire, during cross-examination. He is a native of this area, and when he asked Oscar Killen about his brother's involvement in the Klan, he got this response.
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OSCAR KILLEN, COURTESY COURT TV, EDGAR RAY'S BROTHER: I've heard more talk that your dad and grandaddy was in the Klan more than I have him. Sure have. That's honest. I swore on the Bible, gentlemen, that's the way I've heard it all these years.
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CALLAWAY: Of course, the district attorney did not respond to that accusation by Oscar Killen in court. The defense will call at least one more witness, when they return to the court on Monday morning. We could see, Fredricka, closing arguments in this case as early as the beginning of next week. Back to you now.
WHITFIELD: All right, Catherine Callaway, thanks so much, in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
Well, David Dennis had planned to travel through Mississippi with James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Fate intervened and he couldn't make the trip. Tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN, David Dennis reflects on the terrible events 41 years ago that led to this current trial.
The mistreatment of African-Americans was a recent topic of discussion in another forum, on Capitol Hill. This week, the Senate approved a resolution apologizing for its failure decades ago to crack down on lynching, a practice one man survived with just seconds to spare. We warn you, it's a story told in graphic detail.
Here's Joe Johns.
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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From a jail window, a 16-year-old shoe- shine boy watches in terror as two of his friends are strung up from a tree in the courthouse square. The night was young and James Cameron was waiting to die.
What was the first chant that you heard?
JAMES CAMERON, We want Cameron. We want Cameron. We want Cameron.
JOHNS: What were you thinking then? You're a 16-year-old boy.
JOHNS: I felt like my blood had turned into ice. To think they wanted me that bad.
JOHNS: The night before, Cameron and his friends, Tom Ship and Abe Smith, got the bright idea of robbing a white couple in a car on Lover's lane, down by the river. But Cameron recognized the man, so he took off running.
CAMERON: I said here you take this, I don't wanna have nothing to do with this.
JOHNS: The others shot and killed the man. Stories circulated that the woman had been raped. Police hauled the three suspects into jail, accusing them of murdering a white man. A mob gathered outside. Cameron knew what was coming.
BILLIE HOLIDAY, SINGER (singing): Southern trees, bare strange fruit.
JOHNS: In the 1930s, black Americans and immigrants accused of far less were routinely strung up, gouged, mutilated, castrated, burned to death; horrors captured in photographs to produce as souvenirs and brought home in Billie Holiday's immortal rendition of the song "Strange Fruit."
HOLIDAY (singing): Strange fruit hanging, from the poplar trees.
JOHNS: But the story that played out that hot August night did not happen in the deep south. It happened in Marion, Indiana, in the Heartland.
CAMERON: I saw them when they brought Tommy out and beat him to death. And when they got Abe and drug him up there, I was looking out the window.
JOHNS: And then they came for Cameron.
CAMERON: They beat me down the steps -- down the steel steps -- to the first floor where they had taken Abe out, where they'd taken tommy out. Then they took me out in the street. When we got out in the street, they said, "We got him, we got him, we got him."
JOHNS: And what was their plan, once they got you down there?
CAMERON: To hang me.
JOHNS: And where were they going to put you?
CAMERON: They were gonna hang me right between Tom and Abe. I was watching the people's eyes and I looked into their faces, and some of them dropped their heads. Some of them I cut grass for, some of them I shined their shoes and some of them I'd gone to the grocery store for.
They dragged me up there. They put the rope around my neck and then they pushed me up under the tree where Tommy and Abe was hanging. And when they did that, I thought that was the end of the road. I said, "Lord have mercy, forgive me my sins."
Everything got deadly quiet. You could hear a pin drop. And then a voice come from out of the sky -- a voice, like an echo, said, "Take this boy down. He had nothing to do with the killing or raping."
JOHNS: Cameron was tried and convicted as an accessory to manslaughter and sentenced to four years. In 1993, the governor pardoned him. Today in Marion, Indiana, there is nothing to mark the lynching, no plaque. Just a few shrubs where the maple tree used to be. Ninety-one years old and battling cancer, Cameron now lives in Milwaukee where he built a museum dedicated to the history to what happened to African-Americans, including the lynching.
CAMERON: This is a piece of the rope that was used to hang one my two buddies.
JOHNS: The museum's name, inspired by a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem.
CAMERON: I went to Yad Vashem; it broke me up. It broke me up, I couldn't stand it. I had to let go of my tears.
JOHNS: The sign at the end that says: Never Forget?
CAMERON: Yes. I'll never forget.
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WHITFIELD: In the U.S. Open, round three is well under way at the Pinehurst Country Club in North Carolina, and right now it's anyone's tournament. CNN's Mark McKay is watching the action for us and has an update. And so far, it looks like it's anyone's day, even for the underdog -- right, Mark?
MCKAY: Oh, very much so, Fredricka. Hello again.
Yes, this is the way we like it: A major where it's really anyone's ball game, so to speak. Yes, the 105th U.S. Open continues here at Pinehurst. When this day began, the defending U.S. Open champion was Retief Goosen, of South Africa, was tied for the lead. He is still tied for the lead at 2 under par with one of the underdogs, Jason Gore, the 818th ranked player in the world.
Now, expectations were quite high coming to Pinehurst number two for this guy -- at least the guy we're going to talk about in a moment, Phil Mickelson. He followed up his disastrous second round of 77 with a 72; two over par on Saturday. You know, despite being eight over for the championship, quits is not a word in Mickelson's vocabulary.
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PHIL MICKELSON, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: The way I look at it is, you know, Johnny Miller shot 63 in the open at Oakmont and I just wouldn't -- I'm not going to go into tomorrow's round feeling as though I don't have a shot. I just feel like, you know, that I can shoot a low score out there, even though I'll have to make 30-40- footers to do it. I'm not going to go in the final round defeated. I feel that I'm going to give it everything I can.
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MCKAY: Now, you know, one of the guys that we look at all the time, Mickelson being the people's favorite, he certainly showed that by the Master's title last year, Fredricka. His attitude is one that you need. You can't come out here and think that this course is going to get you, even though he's been wounded by Pinehurst course number two so far, Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: All right. You've got to go out there with the attitude of: Playing to win.
All right, Mark McKay, thanks so much.
Well, coming up: Helping to pave the way for peace in the Middle East. The U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in the West Bank, today. The latest on her agenda, straight ahead.
And a bio-defense program designed to protect the homeland has some residence up at arms. Kathleen Koch has that story when CNN LIVE SATURDAY returns.
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WHITFIELD: Here are the latest developments: American and Iraqi forces are on offensive in Operation Spear. Air strikes and shelling are targeting a hotbed of insurgents in Karabilah, near the Syrian border.
Fifty rebels are reported killed. Marines freed four men who were apparently tortured as captives of the insurgents.
The FBI is a security breach that affects more than 40 million credit card accounts. A hacker apparently gained access to the database of a company that processes transactions. Social Security numbers were not exposed. Consumers will not be liable for any unauthorized charges.
Capital murder can now be punished, in Texas, with life in prison without parole. Republican Governor Rick Perry has signed a law creating the sentencing option in the state leading the country in the use of the death penalty. Previous options were: A death sentence or life with parole possible after 40 years.
It's been a day of unrest in the Middle East. Two Palestinians opened fire on Israeli troops guarding an Israeli settlement in Gaza and later, militants fired two rockets toward another settlement in the area. The attacks come as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is touring the region.
Here's CNN's Guy Raz.
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GUY RAZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Secretary Rice parachuting into the region for what could be described as a maintenance appointment.
The timing of the secretary's visit is not coincidental. Two days after she leaves, the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will hold bi-lateral talks with the Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas. Only the second time these two leaders would have met this year. And of course, in about eight weeks' time, the Israeli government plans to carry out its disengagement plan: A plan to evacuate all of Israeli settlers and soldiers from the occupied Gaza Strip by the end of the summer.
Now, that plan has fared right at the top of Secretary Rice's agenda throughout the day and is expected to fare right at the top of her agenda tomorrow, as well.
Now, a short time ago the secretary held a news conference with the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, and she explained why she came to the region.
CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: The president's very good visit to Washington to follow-up with the parties about plans leading to the disengagement of Israeli forces and settlers from the Gaza. That will take place shortly. We must all focus on this disengagement as our best chance to re-energize the Road Map.
RAZ: Now, Secretary Rice said that coordination of the disengagement plan between Israeli and Palestinian officials was absolutely critical to ensure its success.
Now, in the past several weeks, Israeli and Palestinian officials have been at loggerheads over those negotiations. Palestinian officials essentially accusing their Israeli counterparts of not giving them enough information about the plan, timetables, maps, security procedures, day-after scenarios, and perhaps most critically, what will happen to those homes that will be evacuated.
Secretary Rice has come to the region to hear both sides and to find out how the United States can best help to make sure the process is carried out seamlessly.
Guy Raz, CNN, Jerusalem.
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WHITFIELD: And Secretary Rice will be a guest tomorrow on "LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER." That airs at noon Eastern, right here on CNN.
The House of Representatives is threatening to cut off funds to the United Nations unless the world's body adopts dozens of reforms. In a bill passed yesterday, the lawmakers demanded that the U.N. reform its budget, streamline redundant programs and create a code of conduct for its peacekeeping forces.
The measure would have to clear the Senate before heading to the White House, but the Bush administration has indicated it does not support that legislation.
In "News Around the World," now: Iran's presidential election is set for a runoff next Friday. A moderate political veteran, the former president, got the most votes. He advocates reform and diplomacy with the United States.
Coming in second is a hardliner new to the national seen, the mayor of Tehran. He says access to nuclear technology is Iran's inalienable right.
In Afghanistan, Taliban guerrillas have announced they're holding 30 policemen and a local official in a government building they seized near Kandahar. The rebels planned to put them on trial for supporting the American-backed government. Many insurgent attacks have been linked to elections coming up in September.
In Belfast, Northern Ireland, a Protestant parade passing a Catholic crowd turned into a riot. Hundreds of police used water cannons at -- on the attackers. Eighteen police officers and 11 civilians were injured.
In our CNN "Security Watch," today: Bioterrorism. It's one of the most deadly threats Homeland Security officials are concerned about, so they're planning a new state-of-the-art facility outside Washington to help respond to the problem.
But some residents there are worried the lab itself could be a threat.
Our Kathleen Koch has the story.
KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ebola, anthrax, marbor (ph), some of the deadly pathogens experts fear terrorists could unleash killing thousands of Americans. So, in three years, this field on the military base 48 miles north of Washington will become a huge facility to do testing and detective work to prevent or respond to an attack.
DR. MAUREEN MCCARTHY, DHS OFC. RESEARCH AND DEV.: We will actually work with pathogens that are of concern. We will test their virulence. We will test how they behave in animal models. We will test how they behave against our current defense strategies.
KOCH: Homeland Security's director of research and development says the facility will even genetically engineer new pathogens to study their potency and how to stop them. MCCARTHY: ... Yes, absolutely. If we knew for a fact that somebody was looking at a particular modification, we would have to validate that.
KOCH (on camera): But Fort Detrick, the home of the new bio- defense center is no island. It's surrounded on virtually every side by neighborhoods.
(voice-over): And though the fort is the biggest employer in the city, even the mayor is concerned the new facility could endanger citizens.
JENNIFER DOUGHERTY, MAYOR, FREDERICK: My greatest fear is that our -- somehow there will be some sort of accident and then we just won't know.
KOCH: Sally Famelton and her family live a quarter-mile from Fort Detrick. She worries about accidents or worse.
SALLY FAMELTON, FREDERICK RESIDENT: It increases the chances of problems with some of these dangerous materials, things being stolen perhaps, sabotaged, theft by someone, an employee getting bribed to smuggle something out.
KOCH: Activists, who recently protested against the expansion also fear bio-defense lead to bio-weapons.
BARRY KISSIN, ATTORNEY: The things that they are telling us they're going to do at these facilities, certainly appear to contradict the promises we have made in the Biological Weapons Convention.
KOCH: But the base commander insists they will not develop biological weapons and will ensure safety.
COL. JOHN BALL, COMMANDER, FORT DETRICK: We have done it safe for many years. We have multiple safety layers in effect. The possibility that something adverse may happen we have reduced to the absolute minimum that's possible.
KOCH: Homeland Security officials warn the 2001 anthrax attacks prove the greater risk is being unprepared to fight lethal unseen weapons.
Kathleen Koch, CNN, Frederick, Maryland.
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WHITFIELD: And CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. Stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.
Coming up, Michael Jackson says, "Thank you." Family, friends and even one juror get a pat on the back from the pop star.
And tell them where it hurts: Our "Living Well" segment focuses on the vital communication link between patient and doctor.
More of CNN LIVE SATURDAY, straight ahead.
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WHITFIELD: Let's check what's going on "Across America," now.
A pilot is in critical, but stable, condition after a corporate helicopter crashed into New York's East River yesterday. A second pilot and six passengers have been treated and released. It's the second chopper to go down in the river in four days. Federal officials are trying to find out the cause.
In California, a small plane turned, the westbound lanes of the Ventura Highway into a landing strip, last night. Fire officials say the plane was forced to make a crash landing due to engine failure. Both the pilot and his female passenger are in stable condition. The highway has been re-opened.
And Michael Jackson was a no-show at a celebration for his fans last night. It was held at a casino near Neverland. Jackson's mother and sister Janet attended. His brother Tito performed and one of the jurors, who acquitted the pop star in his child molestation trial, even showed up.
The patient/doctor relationship: It's crucial to getting good health care and it's constantly evolving. Communication is the key to understanding what the doctor has in mind for you. But if you disagree, what can you do.
Dr. Bill Lloyd is with the University of California, Davis Medical Center and he's joining us from Sacramento. Good to see you, Doctor Bill.
DR. BILL LLOYD, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-DAVIS MED. CTR: Hi, Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: All right. Well, sometimes we don't always agree with everything our doctor is telling us. So, what's the best way to handle that?
LLOYD: Well, medicine has changed so much over 20 years, Fredricka. It used to be a situation where it was almost parental: You did what your doctor told you. But with managed care and competition now, it's kind of leveled the playing field. So, now they're not patients anymore, they're health consumers. It suggests a contract: Doctors are expected to do certain things and patients are expected to do things, as well.
So, I've got a little list of some things that can help make a successful visit and it begins by improved communication with you and your doctor. Bring a list of the problems so you don't leave at the end and saying, "I forgot to tell him." Bring all your medications, of course. If the doctor starts into that gibberish -- that med- speak, stop him cold: I don't understand what you're talking about. Repeat the instructions. The doctor says, start the pill twice a day, go ahead and say it: So you want me to take the pill twice a day? Ask lots of questions and be prepared to listen. And finally, bring another person, a friend, or partner to sit there and to listen to what the doctor says, and to help you remember important questions to ask.
WHITFIELD: Wow. And sometimes there are disagreements. Sometimes the patient and doctor don't necessarily see eye-to-eye. It's OK for the patient to ask the doctor some of these questions, right?
LLOYD: Before you can have an informed decision, you have to know all the risks of a given procedure or a medication, all the alternatives, and all the potential for risks. So, you have an obligation to ask those questions and if you think your doctor's giving you a short shrift and not telling you the whole story, don't let the doctor leave the room.
Find out that information: What problems could I be in if I take this medication or if I agree to have this surgery?
WHITFIELD: Now, the relationship between the patient and doctor has really evolved over time. Why is that?
LLOYD: Well, I think there's a couple of important reasons. When we were growing up, you had the same doctor all your life. The doctor was part of your family. Now, you hardly ever see the same doctor twice and the managed care has had a lot to do with that. I think competition and marketing has played a big role and now there's other players, Fredricka, involved in your health care. It's not just you and your doctor, now it's drug companies.
You're watching TV and they're telling you: Ask your doctor if this pill is right for you. So, now we're bringing other players into the field, as well. And that means you have to be alert as to what's going on and you have to become more actively engaged and ask intelligent questions of your doctor as to what decisions are going to be made regarding your good health.
WHITFIELD: All right. Dr. Bill Lloyd, looks like I need a doctor, right now. I'm all choked up.
LLOYD: We'll talk again soon and have a happy Father's Day weekend.
WHITFIELD: Happy father's day to you, too. Thanks so much.
WHITFIELD: Well, I'm not kidding, I really am choked up.
It's an age-old problem: The case of the missing sock. While most see it as a nuisance, one company sees it as an opportunity.
The sock solution, straight ahead.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: Well, CNN SATURDAY continues. Carol Lin will be stepping in shortly. What's on tap?
CAROL LIN, HOST: At 6:00, we're going to be following up on the helicopter crash. Two helicopters crash into the East River.
WHITFIELD: Yes.
LIN: Investigators are on the scene. Lots of questions as to how 14 people could be injured and why these things went down, but I'm going to be talking with one of your -- you're going to hear from one of the rescuers about what happened.
WHITFIELD: OK.
LIN: And then at 10:00 tonight, we're going to explore the investigation into these cars that are literally exploding in people's garages.
WHITFIELD: It's remarkable.
LIN: Yes. Something is wrong, mechanically wrong. We're going to be talking about, you know, what company is involved, the questions and how this could be happening. But imagine that, you wake up and your garage is on fire. You park the car...
WHITFIELD: Yes.
LIN: You've done nothing. It may be something with the cruise control device. Consumers will learn more when they watch tonight at 10:00
WHITFIELD: Well, it's a remarkable investigation that Drew Griffin (ph) has helped bring us.
LIN: You bet.
WHITFIELD: All right. Carol Lin, thanks so much.
LIN: Thank you.
WHITFIELD: Well, it happens most often on laundry day: You've done several loads and are left with an extra sock, or a missing sock depending on which way you're looking at it. Now, an enterprising company is capitalizing on that dilemma. You might say it's the sockadelic(sic) solution for mismatched socks -- take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May I offer you socks that don't match?
ARIELLE ECKSTUT, COFOUNDER, LITTLEMISSMATCHED: First, there was this real-world problem that people lose their socks all the time. You're always left with a single sock. It might be your favorite pair of socks. It's really depressing. You have to go throw the sock away. One of our partners said, "Wouldn't it be great if there was a company just made mismatched socks?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They come in pre-assorted packages of three, not four, not one, three socks. And the goal of the single socks is that there's sort of a chance to re-invent the sock drawer. Every time that you typically do wash now, you fold your socks over and you create pairs and that's this really annoying thing. Well, imagine now moms just get to dump the socks -- or the kids, if the kids are doing the wash, they dump it in their drawer and it becomes an act of discovery. And you get to mix and match all you want.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We've got about 600,000 socks out there and I run about 600 stores.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:: This is Mix and Match. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I would like you guys to do is actually all pick out a pair.
ECKSTUT: We started with the young girls because we saw that so many of the clothes that were being marketed to girls this age are really about over-sexualizing; making them into small teenagers or young women when they're still really girls.
We thought: You know what? we don't want to do that. We want to make a space for girls to be as playful and creative as they can be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take a look. I am a "Sorta" for today. You can be "Kinda," "Sorta." or "Alota" mismatch and so what that means, is that you can be someone who is totally zany and cookie and has all kinds of flare in your dress, or you can be a little more conservative. And this can be something that you want to hide.
So, then question is: How mismatched are you? We have 134 socks, which makes, if you can believe it, 8,911 combinations and so that's enough for 24 years of never matching.
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WHITFIELD: Well, that's a lot of fun.
And that's going to do it for us this hour at CNN LIVE SATURDAY.
Straight ahead, "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS." This weekend's profiles: First Lady Laura Bush and Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court William Rehnquist.
Then at 6:00 Eastern, Carol Lin talks to the authors behind the Gold Coast Cure. Could diet and exercise help reverse disease?
And at 7:00 Eastern, it's "The Capital Gang." On the table: The debate over Guantanamo Bay and the possibility of Hillary Clinton in '08.
I'll be back in a few minutes with this hour's headlines.
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WHITFIELD: Hello, again. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.
"People in the News" in a moment, but first here it's what's happening "Now in the News."
Operation Spear is under way in Iraq. U.S. Marines and sailors have been fighting insurgents in the town of Karabila, near Iraq's north-western border. The military says at least 50 insurgent fighters have been killed.
Also, during Operation Spear U.S. Marines found and freed four hostages being held in Karabila. They had been chained to a wall in the center of the city and had been tortured. Marines found them during house-to-house combat.
There is a serious concern for credit card users in the U.S. More than 40 million Visa and Mastercard accounts may have been breached after a hacker broke into a credit card transaction company's database. The FBI is now investigating.
Tonight at 6p.m. on CNN: The search continues for Natalee Halloway in Aruba. Her stepmother speaks out. Carol Lin has that at 6:00 Eastern time.
And I'll be back with more headlines in 30 minutes.
"People in the News" begins right now.
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