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Interview with Insurgets; Jack Nicklaus Retires; London Investigation; Florida Waterspout; Harry Potter Unleashed

Aired July 16, 2005 - 12:00   ET

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GERRI WILLIS, CNN ANCHOR: The unfolding investigation in London, pulling together the pieces of the puzzle. Who was responsible? We're live on where the investigation goes next.
Also, all eyes on Hurricane Emily. This hour, the extremely dangerous category 4 storm is churning towards Jamaica. CNN is your hurricane headquarters.

Plus, take a look at these incredible pictures from Florida. A waterspout spins tornadoes. We'll show it to you.

And Harry Potter unleashed: Fans by the millions get a copy of his later work. We'll tell you about it.

Welcome to CNN live Saturday I'm Gerri Willis in today for Fredricka Whitfield. Those stories ahead in the first hour, but first other headlines now in the news.

Eleven American soldiers are accused of assaulting a group of suspected Iraqi insurgents in their custody. The troops are assigned to task force Baghdad. A military statement says none of the suspected insurgents required medical attention for the injuries related to the alleged incident. As the U.S. Army investigates, insurgents continue their deadly attacks. Among today's violence, a car bombing in Baghdad that killed four people, two of them children.

And another bloody day in the Middle East, Israeli forces have arrested 30 Palestinians accused of being terrorists. The suspected militants, most of them believed to be members of Hamas, were picked up in four separate hours in the west bank. The arrests came just hours after Israeli air strikes on suspected Hamas weapons labs in Gaza. Palestinian leaders are condemning the Israeli arrests and attacks, calling them an attempt to divide the Palestinian people.

In Scotland, Tiger Woods appears to be halfway home to his second British Open championship. He had a four-stroke lead as the tournament entered its third round this morning. Woods' idol, Jack Nicklaus, ended his competitive career yesterday. Very emotional, missing the cut at the British open.

We begin in London where the death toll from last week's terrorist bombings it rising. Another victim died overnight, bringing the number of dead to 55. The investigation is expanding around the globe to Egypt, Pakistan and now into the United States. And British Prime Minister Tony Blair places blame on what he calls "an evil ideology." CNN's Matthew Chance joins us live from King's Cross Station in London, where he is covering the investigation.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Gerri, thank you very much. It's been, of course, more than a week since the bombs exploded across central London, three on underground subway trains, another in a bus. And the people of this city still very much mourning their loss. We're going to talk in a moment about the span, the extent of the investigation which is going across continents, as you mentioned, to the U.S. and to Egypt, to Pakistan, to other parts of the world, as well. But I want to start by showing you some pictures of the first of the funerals.

The death toll has risen to 55 people confirmed dead, another 46 are injured. We've got pictures of the first funeral of those dead, a funeral of a 20-year-old Muslim woman. Her name is Zahara Islam, she was killed on the No. 30 bus in Tavistock Square on her way to a dental appointment on Thursday, the 7th of July, along with 54 other people, of course, killed in these attacks around London. A lot of people out there at the funeral, the first of the very many funerals we're going to witness in the days and in the weeks ahead.

That investigation, though spanning continents, taking British police and Interpol and other investigators including the U.S. law enforcement authorities to investigate various people around the world. So far, the British police have made considerable progress in at least identifying the suspects they believed carried out these attacks. We've got pictures of all of those suspects that have been made public now. The first one, 18-year-old Hasib Hussain pictured at Luton train station wearing a backpack which police believed carried a small device, less than 10 pounds of explosives inside, but a device which caused so much damage.

Then there's Shahzad Tanweer, 22 years old from Leeds in the north of England. He's been linked to the Aldgate bombing, the train station in the east of London that was attacked where seven people were killed.

Mohammad Sedique Khan, he's one of the more interesting of the bombers because he was actually a primary schoolteacher. He was married, had an 8-month-old son. Now police say they've linked him to the bombing here at King's Cross, between King's Cross and Russell Square to the south of this location.

A fourth bomber, Germaine Lindsay is how he's identified as Jamaican born, is the only one not of Pakistani ancestry. He's been linked to the Edgware Road bombings to the west of London.

Police say they're continuing their forensic examination at King's Cross and the other bomb sites around central London. And as I mentioned, that investigation is going overseas as well with the arrest of a man they're calling the "Chemist." Magdy el-Nashar has been detained by Egyptian authorities in connection, say British police, with the London bomb attacks.

Back to you, Gerri. WILLIS: Matthew, obviously, the investigation continues. But what is the mood on the street there in London?

CHANCE: Well, people very much trying to go about their ordinary lives. People are very angry. People are very bitter about what's happened to them and what's happened to the people they know and what's happened to their city. People are also being extremely vigilant about reporting suspicious activity. That's why occasionally, more often than usual, you're hearing police sirens behind me here. You can hear lots of people, you know, talk about the possibility of seeing suspicious figures on the street. People have been advised to be extremely vigilant. That's what they're doing. We're seeing a number of trains, a number of busses being evacuated at regular intervals to see if the police can follow up on various reports that are coming in. Of course everyone here expect expecting, the police foremost amongst them, that there may well be more attacks in the days and the weeks or in the months ahead, Gerri.

WILLIS: All right. That's our Matthew Chance from London. Thank you so much for that.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, today, called the bombings "the work of an evil ideology." He warned the attacks were not random, not local, and not without purpose.

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TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The 20th century showed how powerful political ideologies could be. This is a religious ideology. A strain within the worldwide religion of Islam as far removed from its essential decency and truth as Protestant government who kill Catholics or vice versa are from Christianity. But, do not let us underestimate or dismiss it. Those who kill in the name of this ideology believe it genuinely that in doing it, they do god's work, they go to paradise.

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WILLIS: Blair called it the global struggle and said Britons must be willing to take on the militants at home as well as overseas.

And in California, an Islamic religious leader and his 19-year- old son have agreed to be deported to Pakistan. Mohammad Adil Khan is being held in an FBI probe into possible tourist activity in the farming community of Lodi. The men admitted to overstaying their visas. Three others connected to the Lodi masque are also under arrest. Two of them are charged with lying about attending a terrorist camp in Pakistan.

Now the CIA leak investigation. Republicans are insisting today the latest turns in the case show Karl Rove is not the leaker. Let's go to the White House and our correspondent, Elaine Quijano, with this new piece of a very complicated puzzle -- Elaine.

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: A lot of twists and turns in this case. Good afternoon to you, Gerri. Just a reminder, it was just about two years ago, this time two years ago that a CIA operative's covert identity was revealed in the media. And as the investigation into that continues, there are some new details, new pieces of information emerging about President Bush's chief political strategist, Karl Rove, having some communications with others around that same time period. Now, the latest, the "Associated Press" is reporting that an e-mail was sent from Karl Rove to the now national security advisor, Stephen Hadley, in 2003 describing a conversation Rove had with times magazine Matt Cooper.

Now, a lawyer familiar with the investigation confirms to CNN the e-mail is authentic. According to the "Associated Press," Rove told Hadley, quote, "Matt Cooper called to give me a head-up that he's got a welfare reform story coming," then went on to say, "When he finished his brief heads-up he immediately launched into Niger. Isn't this damaging? Hasn't the president been hurt? I didn't take the bait, but I said if I were him I wouldn't get "Time" far out in front on this."

Now, Rove there was referring to an op ed piece by the operative's husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, which was critical of the Bush administration's use of intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war. Republicans argue that the communications by Rove at the time show that he was simply trying to steer reporters, including "Time" magazine's Matt Cooper, away from writing an inaccurate story.

Now, we should note, of course, only the special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, has access to all of the testimony in this case, including the grand jury testimony from journalists and from administration officials, but published reports today suggests some new developments that perhaps investigators have turned their attention and turned their focus to a 2003 classified State Department memo which identified this operative by name and also revealed that she was married to Ambassador Wilson.

Now, all of this has democrats calling for Rove's resignation, saying that his security clearance should be pulled, and also has them circulating a staff memo saying that it is outlined a troubling picture, they call it, of how the Bush administration has handled this so far. The bottom line, though, the Bush administration very much letting the pictures do the talking, showing that Karl Rove is very much still a part of the president's trusted inner circle. And of course in terms of the investigation, we simply do not know at this point, Gerri, what it is that the prosecutor knows, still a lot of unanswered questions -- Gerri.

WILLIS: Elaine Quijano, a complicated story. Thanks for bringing it to us.

This programming note, "Time" magazine reporter Matt Cooper talks to CNN and it's our special one hour edition of "Reliable Sources." That's going to be tomorrow morning at 11:00 Eastern here on CNN.

News from "Across America," now. Things are getting tense in L.A. over a police shooting that killed a toddler whose father used her as a shield in a shootout with officers. Protesters fill the street nightly carrying signs calling police baby killers. Funeral services are being held today for the 19-month-old shooting victim Susie Pena. The mayor of Los Angeles is among those expected to attend.

Philadelphia authorities are investigating a deadly fire truck accident. Officials say the ladder truck crashed into a car while on its way to the call. The driver of the car died instantly.

A man in Florida may be the victim of the 17th recorded alligator attack in state history. Witnesses say the gator attacked and killed the man yesterday as he swam in a canal near Port Charlotte. Now, the 13-foot long gator was shot and killed by police.

And in Charleston, South Carolina, the he pedestrians got their chance yesterday. Today, Charleston, South Carolina's new Cooper River Bridge is opening to traffic the first time. The eight lane, $632 million bridge is the most expensive ever built in the state and the longest cable-stayed bridge in the country.

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ANNOUNCER: CNN, your hurricane headquarters.

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WILLIS: We're keeping an eye on Hurricane Emily, here today, as the category four storm pushes through the Caribbean. Emily is passing across Jamaica right now with winds of up to 140 miles-per- hour. Forecasters are predicting dangerously strong winds and as much as 15 inches of rain. Meteorologist Bonnie Schneider is tracking Emily from the weather center.

What's going on over there?

BONNIE SCHNEIDER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, Gerri, believe it or not, this storm has gotten even stronger, now maximum winds as high as 150 mile-per-hour. That's right, this storm is five miles-per-hour shy of becoming a category 5. So, that's not good news for Jamaica. Even though the storm's not making a direct hit and we're certainly seeing the effects of the storm, especially on the northern tier and the worst of it hasn't even come through yet. So, a tremendous amount of rain and mudslides are a good possibility when you get this much water in a short amount of time.

Now, the track for Emily has, of course, has been kind of fluctuating a bit. You can see the latest coordinates here, the movement to the west-northwest making landfall not once but twice. First the Yucatan Peninsula for Monday and then eventually making landfall somewhere along the Texas coast back down towards Mexico on into the late hours of Tuesday into early Wednesday. That's what we're expecting. It should die down a bit in intensity before landfall happens.

Right now we're in a very active pattern. We have warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. We have our steering winds that continue to just guide these hurricanes on through. The easterly winds that continue to bring them on in. So it's an active pattern for hurricane season 2005. And I think we'll continue to see this pattern throughout the season. So right now Emily a very strong category 4 with maximum sustained winds at 150 miles-per-hour -- Gerri.

WILLIS: Amazing story. Bonnie thank you for that.

SCHNEIDER: Sure.

WILLIS: Speaking of weather, amazing video for you now out of Punta Gorda, Florida, where a slow-moving waterspout came ashore as a tornado yesterday, not just once, but twice. It hit land first time with a 70-foot -- 75, pardon me, foot wide base, slightly damaging some chain link fencing. The twister turned to the Peace River and reemerged in Charlotte Harbor with a base some 200 feet wide. Now, despite the spectacular show, police say fortunately the tornado caused only minor damage.

Coming up, a mother takes action. She may have kept a convicted sex offender from striking again. Her story is just ahead.

Plus, the wait is over for the wizard. Two Harry Potter fans join us to talk about the magic in the air. It's all ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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WILLIS: Welcome back to CNN LIVE SATURDAY, I'm Gerri Willis. As suicide bombers keep up their deadly attacks in Iraq, nearly a dozen American soldiers are facing charges of assaulting a group of suspected insurgents in their custody. We get the latest from CNN's Aneesh Raman in Baghdad.

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ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Eleven U.S. soldiers assigned to Task Force Baghdad have been charged for violating the uniform code of military conduct for allegedly assaulting suspected insurgents. The charge, according to a statement issued by the U.S. military on Saturday, stems from the report of one soldier that the others assaulted the suspects July 13. The military says none of the suspected insurgents required medical attention and only one still remains under coalition custody. They aren't releasing any other details as an investigation goes on as to whether any criminal conduct took place.

A spokesman, though, for Task Force Baghdad did say, quote, "All Task Force Baghdad soldiers are expected to act appropriately and to treat all persons under their control with dignity and respect. Allegations of illegal activities will always be toughly investigated."

Also today, to the south of Iraq the British military saying three of its soldiers were killed, two others wounded, during an operation in Amara. They're only describing it as something that resulted from hostile action. No other details of that incident yet.

And in the north in the town of Mosul at least six Iraqi police officers were killed, some 10 others wounded after a suicide bomber detonated near the police station. Now, this comes a day after some eight suicide blasts ravaged Iraq, leaving more than 30 people killed. The deadliest attack came around 1:00 p.m. local in the eastern part of the city after a suicide car bomb detonated near an Iraqi convoy. Eight people were killed there, 20 others were wounded.

This comes at a critical time for Iraq's government, now the deadline to finish the constitution just one month away and the need for security to come to the streets apparent on a deadly basis.

Aneesh Raman, CNN, Baghdad.

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WILLIS: Still to come at this hour, a rare look inside the insurgency in Iraq. CNN's international correspondent, Nic Robertson, interviews two insurgent leaders and asks if they're ready to negotiate. You'll want to watch.

And the witching hour has come and it has gone, but Potter-mania remains. We'll speak with two lucky teens who won a trip to London ahead. Right there they are.

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WILLIS: In a hurry for Harry? Fans who didn't make the midnight release parties jammed book stores this morning. "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" may sell a magical, get this, 10 million copies by the end of this day. The series has made J.K. Rowling, the woman behind Harry, among the world's richest woman, and then there's the other woman in Harry's life. CNN's Alina Cho has a look.

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ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With 10 million copies printed in the U.S. alone the release of "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" is the publishing event of the year. There's the coveted signed first editions the midnight magic parties, and then there is Mary Grandpre. Her name may not be familiar, but she's the other woman responsible for bringing Harry Potter to life. Title, illustrator for all six Potter books. In the beginning, Grandpre thought it would be a one-book project.

MARY GRANDPRE, ILLUSTRATOR: Pretty soon, book two was in my hands and then book three, and then it really was taking off and we knew this was going to be something more than just a book.

CHO: Known for her use of light and color that she says adds to the magic of the stories. Grandpre says she's inspired by author J.K. Rowling's rich and descriptive writing.

GRANDPRE: There's not a lot of work I have to do to come up with the images.

CHO: Her biggest challenge, she says, is making Harry believable as he and his readers get older. For those who are still young... UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the illustrations there, they look like the characters and they have a lot of detail on them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can actually see them in your mind, like if they were alive.

CHO: Potter-mania is a worldwide phenomenon that has made Rowling one of the richest women in the U.K. and Grandpre something of a celebrity.

CHO (on camera): Is it sort of strange for you as an illustrator, because generally illustrators are behind the scenes, and yet you're out front doing this publicity blitz. Do you feel like a celebrity?

GRANDPRE: A little bit, you know, especially with the kids, but it's really fun because they're so excited to meet me, and I'm excited to meet them.

CHO: What do they say to you, these kids?

GRANDPRE: They want my autograph and they ask about drawing and who's my favorite character.

CHO (voice-over): For the record, it's a tie, Hagrid, and of course, Harry. So what's next? Book seven?

GRANDPRE: Book seven, yeah, exactly. I've got to gear up for that.

CHO: Wannabe wizards, as always, will be waiting.

Alina Cho, CNN, New York.

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WILLIS: So cute! Ten lucky Harry fans are in London today. They won an essay contest that got them a midnight flight to England and copies of the book to read on the way over. Two of these Muggles join me. David Baker is 13 years old and he's from Texas. Kaitlin McAfee is 14 and she's from Michigan.

Welcome to you both. Good to see you, and congratulations, you guys.

DAVID BAKER, "HARRY POTTER" ESSAY WINNER: Thank you.

KAITLIN MCAFEE, "HARRY POTTER" ESSAY WINNER: Thank you.

WILLIS: I'm telling you, you won this amazing completion, 8,000 kids competing. You two are standouts. Tell me about the trip over to London, first off. And, Kaitlin, let's start with you. Was it a good journey? Were you excited? Could you sleep or were you too wound up to even go to sleep?

MCAFEE: Well, I was the first one of us to bolt on to the plane, and I couldn't find my seat, and so I was kind of freaking out, but I finally got hold of the book and I collapsed in the chair and just started reading.

WILLIS: How far did you get along, Kaitlin?

MCAFEE: Well, I don't know. I'm about a third of the way through, so, I don't know.

WILLIS: Wow!

MCAFEE: It's pretty far.

WILLIS: All right, David, how but? Were you excited to be in London and was it a good trip? Have you finished the book yet? That's what I really want to know.

BAKER: Yeah. Like, I haven't finished the book yet but, like, the trip was extremely exciting. Like, I said, they let us like, run on to the plane first. And I -- I was kind of discouraged because I just kept walking and walking and walking and I couldn't find my seat. My seat was the last seat on the plane.

WILLIS: Oh boy.

BAKER: And it was kind of -- it was kind of like, am I going to get there yet?

WILLIS: You guys are in a big hurry.

BAKER: It was an experience. It was really cool.

WILLIS: Now, obviously, you guys had to compete writing an essay. I want to hear a little about the basic principles of these essays. And let's start with you, David.

BAKER: Well, like the essays were like the criteria was to write an essay (UNINTELLIGIBLE) like under 300 words or at it and it was about your personal connection with the Harry Potter books and how you related to them.

WILLIS: And what was your personal connection?

BAKER: Like, I wrote about how people deal with peer pressures in their lives and how like Harry had to deal with people thinking things that weren't true of him and how he had to get over those peer pressures and how you're not like -- you don't need to have other people's opinions of you matter to you.

WILLIS: I think that's really important, and from -- even from your own essay here, I learned from the Harry Potter books that you can't control what other people think of you. I think that's so -- such a great message.

Kaitlin, what was your essay about?

MCAFEE: Well, my essay was mostly about how I've gotten a very good connection with my grandfather through these books. When I was yet years old, he began reading them to me and he's read them to me pretty much ever since. And it's been a way for us to really connect and spend time with each other and just bond as a grandfather and granddaughter.

WILLIS: Oh, that's a great story. So you guys are already well into this new edition of the saga. What's your favorite part so far David?

BAKER: Well, like, I don't want to give away too much, but like my favorite part so far has been like at the beginning when J.K. Rowling kind of changes up her style a little bit. Because usually she starts off with Harry having a dream or something, but this time she started off with the two ministers meeting and it was pretty cool -- two ministers of the countries of England, and like, that was pretty cool.

WILLIS: All right. So a little change-up in style got your attention. Kaitlin, what are you looking forward to in this book? Is there any particular issue you're following or any characters you're really interested in?

MCAFEE: Yes, yes. I'm what you call a Ron and Hermione Shipper and I really, really am hoping that in this book you'll see maybe some, you know, spark between Ron and Hermione.

WILLIS: Ah ha.

MCAFEE: Definitely rooting for them. So J.K. is giving some hints but not really. You know, she's teased us a little bit and so, yeah, I'm looking forward to that maybe, hopefully.

WILLIS: Well, I think a little spark would be a good thing. You two both have sparks. David, Kaitlin, thank you so much for being with us today.

MCAFEE: Thank you.

BAKER: Thanks.

WILLIS: It was an emotional farewell and after 46 years, the Golden Bear passes his torch to a Tiger. We'll have the historic moment ahead.

Plus, it's a simple way to get your message out and these people aren't afraid. Babies, animals, everyone giving terrorists a piece of their mind. We're going to have that story ahead.

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WILLIS: "Now in the News:" The death toll rises to 55 from last week's terrorist bombings in London. British Prime Minister Tony Blair calls it the work of an "evil ideology" and he says it's a mistake to believe nations can avoid terror by changing their behavior. And Vice President Dick Cheney has checked into George Washington University Hospital for part two of his annual physical. Cheney is expected to undergo a colonoscopy and a screening for vascular disease.

And Hurricane Emily is now beating a path toward Jamaica. The second category four storm of the season is currently on track to graze the tip of Mexico's Yucatan peninsula and move in the Gulf of Mexico sometime late Sunday or possibly early Monday. Stay tuned to CNN, your hurricane headquarters.

Welcome back to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Gerri Willis.

In the fight for Iraq, we hear a lot about what the insurgents do: Their attacks on military convoys, police stations and lately schoolchildren. Today we add faces to the insurgency. CNN Senior International Correspondent Nic Robertson managed to interview two insurgent leaders for a report you will only see here on CNN.

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NIC ROBERTS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Unpredictable and deadly, violence cuts a swathe across parts of Iraq bloodying the U.S. The country is reeling under an insurgent onslaught and the worst of these, claimed by al Qaeda in Iraq and its leader, Abu Musab al- Zarqawi.

(on camera): It is the spectacular impact of the suicide attacks, often directed by non-Iraqi fighters, that can obscure the true nature of the insurgency; a home-grown Iraqi-based insurgency. To find out who they are and what they want, I've come here to Baghdad to meet them.

ABU OMAR, INSURGENT (translator): We represent 20 percent of the Iraqi resistance, but we represent fully the Iraqi will. We can influence 80 percent of the Iraqi resistance and we can say stop. The question is when to stop.

ROBERTS: He says he is a former Iraqi general. He offers a picture of himself in uniform to bolster the claim. He says to call him Abu Omar, but he won't reveal his true identity. This video, he says, shows insurgents or "resistance fighters," as he calls them, under his command on the streets of Baghdad in April 2004.

OMAR: We have plenty of weapons and money and men. And our belief in God is great.

ROBERTS: He speaks with authority, welcomes me to Iraq and introduces a friend he calls "Abu Mohammad." He tells me he is an insurgent commander, too.

ABU MOHAMMAD, INSURGENT: We are refused American, all American opinion, their ideology, election or freedom. We are refused anything from American.

ROBERTS: Abu Mohammad tell me the pair met in military staff college decades ago. Now: Commanders in different insurgent groups, part of a larger network of nationalists, former regime officials, tribal leaders and Iraqi Islamists, most of whom lost out when Saddam Hussein fell from power.

Within weeks of Saddam Hussein's toppling on April 9th, 2003, intelligence sources say his deputy Ishat Ibrahim al-Douri (ph), met in a car in Baghdad with four of Saddam's top allies. They decided then to activate the insurgency. Abu Mohammad and Abu Omar were more than ready to take up the call. Weeks after the U.S. invaded, it disbanded the Iraqi army and they lost their jobs, but they'd already had training.

OMAR (translator): Six months before the occupation, we started training and exercising resisting the American army in small groups.

ROBERTS: Some U.S. intelligence sources say there are now as many as 200,000 insurgents. There are still 300 to 400 reported attacks a week. And that each U.S. offensive creates more recruits for the insurgents. Abu Mohammad and Abu Omar refuse to put a figure on the insurgency, but claim at the moment, it's driving force is Iraqi nationalism. They warn, however, the time to cut a deal is now.

OMAR (translator): Those who like to inflict the most harm on the Americans prefer to join al Qaeda. The youth want immediate results. Therefore, he will join al Qaeda to inflict the most harm against the enemy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out! Get out!

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WILLIS: That was Senior International Correspondent Nic Robertson. "CNN PRESENTS" takes an in-depth look at how life has changed for Iraqis. It's a progress report on the Iraq war. Don't miss it this Sunday night at 8:00 Eastern -- at 8:00 Eastern Pacific time.

Coming up, one mother's actions may have prevented a convicted sex offender from striking again. Her story ahead. You won't want to miss it.

Plus, Jack Nicklaus passes the torch: A final good bye at the British open.

CNN LIVE SATURDAY continues after this.

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WILLIS: Welcome back.

There have been a number of tragic stories recently about children abducted and killed by convicted sex offenders. So, Carrie Seck got suspicious when she noticed a man videotaping her children at her community pool in Raleigh, North Carolina. Her fears were fueled after a quick check on the Internet. He matched a man listed as a convicted sex offender, but she then learned police couldn't do anything about the videotapes. Carrie Seck is joining us now live from Raleigh. Carrie, welcome.

CARRIE SECK, MOTHER: Thank you.

WILLIS: So, set the scene for us here. You were at this community pool, right? What happened?

SECK: Well, I was at the pool, my daughter -- I was there with my 3-year-old daughter and we were in the pool and there was a man sitting on the side of the pool. And he had a video camera beside him and he had it partially covered. So, you could see the front of it, but you know, he had it covered, so you really had to look to see it. And there were three of us who noticed that he was taping the kids at the pool.

WILLIS: And someone then approached him and asked him about the camera, is that right?

SECK: Yes, it is and one of the other mothers who was at the pool got up and went over to him. Once he put his camera up and he went back and sat in his chair that he had over there, she went over and very quietly approached him and asked him weigh was doing.

WILLIS: And how did he react? Was he defensive? Did he try to run? What did he say?

SECK: No, he was really quiet about it. He just told her something to the effect of how he liked to watch little children in their natural environments, especially little boys. But after, you know, she finished talking with him, her husband had gone to find the pool manager, you know, to kind of let her know what was going on and he got up and he left in a hurry. He took his bag with his camera, but he left everything else there. He left his bag and his shirt, his towel, everything.

WILLIS: Wow. Well, those must have been some red flags to the families there. What did you do next?

SECK: Well, absolutely.

WILLIS: What did you do next?

SECK: What?

WILLIS: What did you do next?

SECK: What did I do next? Well, I ended up -- the next morning I was out and I was thinking about it. And you know, I went home and I was telling my husband. I had just felt sort of uneasy, you know, like: Do you call the police? You know, what do you do?

Because that's really not illegal what he was doing, but it was just creepy. But I looked on the sex offender registry for North Carolina and I just -- you know, I didn't expect to find anything. But I put my zip code in, which is the same zip code as the pool and his name was the fourth one on the list. I think it brought up seven names, but you know, his picture popped up and I just got chills.

WILLIS: And you were on the Internet? You were using your computer to surf the Web to find his I.D., which obviously came up pretty quickly.

SECK: It did.

WILLIS: Now, did you report him to the police? What was your next step?

SECK: I did. It -- well, I called the sheriff's department, which you know, the Web site advises you to do that and they put me in touch with the police, who then had me file a police report about you know, just basically because it was suspicious activity and then they could go forward from there and investigate further.

WILLIS: Now, I understand that you printed up this picture you found on the Web. What did you do with it?

SECK: I did. Well, you know, what I did -- I ended up taking it up to the pool so they would have, you know, it in case he came back, they would know who he was. And I believe all the other public pools in Raleigh now have his picture up.

WILLIS: Carrie, what would you recommend to other people out there who might have a similar experience?

SECK: Call the police immediately. Don't wait two days like I did. You know, I don't think they could have done anything, you know, because it was not -- he's not on probation anymore. Had he still been on probation, you know, they could have searched his home. They could have searched his car, but you know, the way the law is written, that's not -- that's not reason enough to get a search warrant.

So, you know, the problem is not with what the police did or didn't do, but more with the laws, you know, that prevent them from doing what they need to do to keep him away from the parks and the pools.

WILLIS: Wow, some quick thinking on your part, Carrie. That's Carrie Seck. Thanks so much for joining us.

SECK: Thank you so much for having me.

WILLIS: And here's how you can use the Internet to locate sex offenders in your own neighborhood. Go to Google and type in your state's abbreviation followed by the words "sex offender." That will bring up your state's registry and a list of possible offender so you, too, like Carrie Seck, can find out what's going on in your own neighborhood.

Still ahead, Jack Nicklaus says good bye as tiger takes the stage. We'll have the latest from the British Open ahead.

Plus: Want to tell terrorists what's on your mind? These people are not afraid.

CNN LIVE SATURDAY continues in a moment.

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WILLIS: Tiger Woods tangled with a spiny gorse bush on that old course at St. Andrews this morning, giving him some trouble on the 6th hole after two days of near-perfect play at the British Open. Woods led into the third round with an 11 under par, pretty darn good.

So far he's holding that lead, but not all the attention is on Tiger. It was the final tournament round for the Golden Bear yesterday. CNN's Don Riddell has that tory.

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DON RIDDELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): the great Jack Nicklaus is settling into retirement after a stunning career and an emotional farewell here at the spiritual home of golf: St. Andrews.

(voice-over): Nicklaus took his bow on the iconic Swilcan Bridge, saluted by thousands of fans who will all be able to say, "I was there." By this time, Nicklaus knew he was going to miss the cut. But for once in his life, that suited the Golden Bear just fine.

JACK NICKLAUS, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: As I was coming down the last couple of holes and as nice as the people were, I'm sitting there and saying, "you know, I don't really think I want to make the cut." People were giving me so much that, you know, I wanted to be part of it and enjoy it and then not have to come back and do that again.

I mean, obviously, I was trying to make the cut. I mean I've never not tried to do that, but they were so wonderful that it was just -- it was just a very, very special time.

TIGER WOODS, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: If it wasn't for what he did and Arnold as well, all of us wouldn't be enjoying the luxuries that we have right now. We wouldn't have the kinds of prize money. We certainly wouldn't be having the ability to play all over the world.

JOHN DALY, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: Jack is the greatest player in the world with his record. You know, Tiger will probably catch him, but it's very emotional for all of us, especially guys who learned how to play the game because of Jack. And I'm won of them.

RIDDELL: Niklaus may have missed the cut, but finished in style sinking a 15-foot putt to birdie the 18th hole. There was barely a dry eye in the house.

(on camera): Many wonder if Jack's total of 18 Grand Slam titles will ever be matched or beaten. And all eyes now are on Tiger Woods. The world's number one is halfway there and many think a tenth major title could come this weekend. Every time Nicklaus retires from a major tournament, Tiger goes on and wins it.

Don Riddell, CNN, at St. Andrews in Scotland.

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WILLIS: Lance Armstrong isn't letting go of the yellow jersey -- no surprise there. But as the Tour de France headed into the Pyrenees today, the American cyclist had to work to take second place in stage. Still, Amrstrong, who's looking for a seventh straight tour win, remains the race's overall leader.

It's the latest Web sensation and a simple way to get your message across. These people aren't afraid and they're telling the world.

CNN LIVE SATURDAY continues in just a moment.

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WILLIS: It's the latest cyber sensation: Logon and give terrorists a piece of your mind and in the process, maybe give yourself some peace of mind.

Here's our Jeanne Moos.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Want to tell terrorists that you're not afraid; not afraid at all? Pah (ph), so not afraid -- let your toes do the talking, spell it out with alphabet soup.

ALFIE DENNEN, WERENOTAFRAID.COM: It's such a simple way of getting our message across, that's, you know, quite a deep message.

MOOS: Londoner Alfei Dennen dreamed up the Web site WereNotAfraid.com right after the bombings. Since then, over 11,000 photos have been submitted from all over the world. A rush of photos from Mt. Rushmore to Hollywood.

DENNEN: I did it at first because it was a really personal kind of effect on me. You know, my friend was involved.

MOOS: This friend, who took his own picture fleeing one of the underground bombings. Dennen reacted by posting this photo of himself. and look where it went from there: From homemade signs to elaborate graphic design.

DENNEN: That sums it up, man: Terrorist Advisory We're Not Afraid.

MOOS: The sky's the limit. Photos pour in, sometimes at a rate of five or six a minute. Baby pictures are big, but not any bigger than pets. It seems as if the entire animal kingdom is free from fear, from fluffy, to super squirrel. Do I look afraid? Do I look afraid? Do we look afraid? New Yorker Richard Ghazarian doctored his driver's license to reach out to London the way London reached out to New York after New York after 9/11.

RICHARD GHAZARIAN, E-MAILED PHOTO: What a better way to show who you are and where you're from, than your driver's license?

MOOS: Pregnant women are not afraid. Even fetuses are showing remarkable courage. Middle fingers seem to be getting a lot of exercise, even the littlest of middle fingers. Dennen and a dozen of his friends manage the site, editing out anti-Muslim hate e-mail. Does he think his site makes a difference to the terrorists?

DENNEN: No. No. I think it makes a difference to us.

MOOS: Dennen even quit his job at a streaming video company to devote himself to the site. It's identical in concept to another Web site. Remember "Sorry Everybody," when those who voted against George Bush apologized after his reelection. The creator of that site contacted Dennen.

DENNEN: You know, he e-mailed me and said, "are you biting my style?" I said, "yes, you were a total inspiration."

MOOS: Many use humor to defy the terrorists.

DENNEN: With Scared-o-meter. Terrorists, squirrels, paper bags, flying, spiders.

MOOS: And remember the Iraqi information minister who told the opposite of truth: You have my word, they are all very, very afraid. Despite Dennen's sign, he's frightened by his own Web site.

DENNEN: It's frightened me because it's a huge amount of attention.

MOOS (on camera): But I'm afraid; that's all we have time for except for one final photograph.

DENNEN: He was in the carriage which had a bomb in it.

MOOS: In the middle of the night, this photo of someone named Mark arrived.

DENNEN: He sent in an image with stitches on his head, sutures on his head, just with, "we're not afraid."

MOOS: Mark and Dennen ended up talking.

DENNEN: I told him that he's was the bravest person I'd ever spoken to and he just went (inaudible) off kind of laughing.

MOOS: Laughing away terror seems to help. "The contents of our diapers are scarier than you." "Take that, terrorists!"

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE) There's much more ahead on CNN SATURDAY. In a few moments: "IN THE MONEY." You wont want to miss that. And at 2:00 Eastern, the latest on the CIA leak investigation. At the center of it, the question: Did Karl Rove break the law? Our legal roundtable will weigh in. At 3:00, it's "CNN PRESENTS" winning the war on terrorism. Some nations have battled terrorism for decades. What can the U.S. learn from them.

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