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Mexico's Foreign Secretary Meets in Washington; Thousands March in L.A. to Protest Immigration Bill; U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Discusses That Country's Current Issues.

Aired March 25, 2006 - 18:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: And seven people are dead after an early morning shooting in Seattle, Washington. One of the dead was the suspected shooter. According to police he shot himself when confronted by an officer. Investigators think a party was going on when the shooting started.
He became known to a generation as a co-host of the country themed variety show "Hee-Haw." Buck Owens died in California. The singer helped popularize country music's Bakersfield sound with a string of more than 20 number one hits. Owens was 76.

Those are the headlines and this is our top story. That massive march in Los Angeles by immigrants wanting a say in the growing debate over securing America's borders. Well, again this hour we're going to hit this story from multiple angles and we'll start in Los Angeles with CNN's Kareen Wynter. Kareen, any sort of count how many people turned out today?

KAREEN WYNTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well we'll be getting more of an exact number sometime this hour. Early estimates said, Carol, anywhere between 100 and 500,000. I can tell you the presence was definitely strong here in downtown Los Angeles. The majority of people have already taken off, but there are still a great number behind me. You can hear them rallying. Some of these protestors say that they brought a lot of energy to today's march. They're passionate about this fight to make sure that when the senate does weigh this issue next week that it doesn't adopt a similar measure as the house did last December.

But they were also fueled by the mayor's message. Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa energized the crowd earlier today. He said that we're not all illegals here. In the city there are no illegals, in fact, only a proposal that would criminalize millions of people who are undocumented here in the city.

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ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA, LOS ANGELES MAYOR: I come today, mayor of the city of Los Angeles to welcome you, the immigrants, who have built this city. God bless you. And we come together to say -- we come together to say that we are workers, not criminals. [ Applause] That we work hard. We pay our taxes. We live by the rules. And we want this great America to take us into account. [Applause]

(END VIDEO CLIP) WYNTER: Based on today's showing, too, with the number of people who lined the streets down here, it was gridlocked at one point. They say they're pleased with their efforts, Carol, but they're now in a waiting pattern because next week is a big week. They hope that their efforts today will translate and that Washington is listening and they'll consider (inaudible) measures. Carol?

LIN: Kareen, thank you so much.

Now, lest we have the impression that it's only Los Angeles. We should report that a throng of people marched yesterday in Phoenix in support of immigrant rights. Phoenix police say the 20,000 people who rallied far exceeded organizers' expectations. Several hundred people gathered at the Georgia capitol to protest a bill to deny illegal immigrants state services. Activists say tens of thousands of immigrants heeded calls not to report for work. Those numbers still can't be confirmed though.

Now President Bush is to travel next week to Cancun, not to lie on the beach, but to meet with Mexican President Vicente Fox. They will talk about immigration and Mr. Bush's host will have plenty to say on that. Here's CNN's Lisa Sylvester with a report that you first saw on "Lou Dobbs Tonight."

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LISA SYLVESTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A handshake and a peck on the cheek for secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. Mexico's foreign secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez is in Washington reaffirming his cozy relationship with the Bush administration.

LUIS ERNESTO DERBEZ, MEXICAN FOREIGN SECRETARY: The relationship between Mexico and the United States proves very well that no longer do we have geographical ties but those are friendship ties.

SYLVESTER: Mexico wants to use that friendship to leverage a guest worker program. The Mexican government took out full page ads on Monday in several U.S. newspapers. In the ads Mexico says it wants a safe, orderly guest worker program and it wants to participate in the design, management, supervision and evaluation of the program. Listen to what Mexican president Vicente Fox said a few months back.

PRES. VICENTE FOX, MEXICO: What we need to do is to define and agree upon how many, in which way, for what sectors of the economy should Mexicans be working in the United States.

SYLVESTER: But critics say Mexico has a double standard. At the same time it wants to help decide U.S. domestic policy, its own constitution forbids meddling from outsiders. Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.

MICHAEL CUTLER, FORMER SENIOR INS AGENT: They come here, they send members of their government here as well as the president of Mexico. And then they go ahead and make demands on our country in terms of how they're going to treat Mexicans who are in the United States, but if anybody ever attempted to do that in Mexico, I'm certain that they'd be sent packing in short order.

SYLVESTER: Mexico has another double standard. Wants the United States to have an open southern border, but Mexico is notoriously strict about enforcing its border with its own southern neighbors. Mexico's constitution also explicitly says Mexicans will be given preferential treatment over foreigners when it comes to granting employment, concessions and benefits. So Mexico recognizes the rights of its native-borne citizens but in many ways is asking the United States not to do the same. Lisa Sylvester, CNN, Washington.

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LIN: Coming up in about 30 minutes I'm going to talk about immigration reform with Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. He is Los Angeles' first Latino mayor in more than 130 years. And you just saw him in Lisa Sylvester's report. He is on fire on this subject.

And take a look. This is our website. You can log on to CNN.com for the latest information on today's immigration rallies. You can also find out more about the legislation before congress next week. And the issues at stake that will affect the lives of millions.

Norman Kember, one of the three hostages freed in Iraq flew home to Britain today. CNN's Paula Hancocks has more on his emotional home coming.

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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The smiles said it all. Norman Kember arriving at the home he hasn't seen in four months to a hero's welcome. A quick hello to his next door neighbor, then inside to spend time with his family. Arriving at Heathrow Airport earlier, he spent precious but brief moments alone with his wife Pat, then in front of the cameras for a statement.

NORMAN KEMBER, FREED HOSTAGE: Now, I do not believe that lasting peace is achieved through armed force, but I pay tribute to their courage and thank those who played a part in my release.

HANCOCKS: He insisted that the world's attention should be not on him but instead on the people of Iraq who have suffered so much over the years and is still waiting for peace. He asked for time to reflect.

KEMBER: I now need to reflect on my experience, was I full hearty, or rationale and also to enjoy freedom in peace and in quiet.

HANCOCKS: Kember and three other Christian peace activists were captured in Iraq last November. Occasionally videos of them were released by their captors but then one of them, American hostage, Tom Fox, was killed. Kember has said his freedom has been bitter sweet. Vigils have been held at Kember's local church since he was kidnapped. Bob Gardiner, the Baptist minister and a friend of Kember's said the U.K. authorities have made assurance the men would not be rescued unless they were reasonably confident no one would be killed. REV. BOB GARDINER, HARROW BAPTIST CHURCH: We as a church here, are very grateful for those who have used their expertise, their professionalism, their restraint, their patience. This was, as far as I can tell, a very well-planned operation. It wasn't rash. It wasn't thoughtless.

HANCOCKS: So the Kember family is back together again this Saturday. The intimate reunion continuing behind closed doors and behind closed curtains. Norman Kember has made that statement and for now he believes that he's said enough. Paula Hancocks, CNN, North London.

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LIN: Well time is of the essence. A message delivered to Iraqi politicians from U.S. politicians. For the second time in less than a week a high-level congressional delegation met with Iraqi lawmakers in Baghdad. And their message was clear, form a unity government as soon as possible or put the country's security at risk.

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SEN. RUSSELL FEINGOLD, (D) WISCONSIN: It is a critical time for this government of national unity to be created. Whatever people thought in the first place about this invasion of Iraq or whatever they may think about the way it's been conducted, all Americans want this effort to create this government to succeed.

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LIN: Well, the delegation also met with U.S. military leaders including the U.S. commander in Iraq, General George Casey.

The non-stop violence though in Iraq, it captures the headlines every day. But today the U.S. ambassador to Iraq tried to put the spotlight on another side of Iraq. Reporting from Baghdad, here's CNN's senior international correspondent, Nic Robertson.

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ZALMAY KHALILZAD, U.S. AMBASSADOR: Hi, Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: How are you doing sir?

KHALILZAD: How are you doing?

ROBERTSON: A whirlwind trip out of the super secure green zone. We tag along as U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad is getting some time- out of his office.

KHALILZAD: One of the nicer things to do.

ROBERTSON: He's come to open a recently-renovated youth club. Renovations that cost U.S. taxpayers almost half a million dollars. He's come to open a recently-renovated youth club. Renovations that cost U.S. taxpayers almost half a million dollars. According to officials here, this is a good news story. Iraqi officials have plans for three sports stadiums that will cost between 3 to $400 million each.

TRANSLATOR: I spoke to Donald Rumsfeld's deputy to fund this project. He promised to come back to us to discuss the issue. But until now, nothing.

ROBERTSON: In his speech the ambassador emphasizes the positive, sport to keep the bad, terrorism, at bay. A welcomed break from all the bad news he normally has to deal with.

KHALILZAD: This was a good event. It's been a good day to do something for the youth of Iraq. Of course, the attention is always on the struggle against the terrorists and the insurgents and the sectarian conflict and the formation of government. I spend most of my time doing that.

ROBERTSON: A few days ago, President Bush cited U.S. efforts in the northern Iraqi town of Tal Afar as an example of successful progress.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The military success against the terrorists helped give the citizens of Tal Afar security and this allowed them to vote in the elections and begin to rebuild their city.

ROBERTSON: Journalists here asked to see and were taken on a tour of the city.

COL. SEAN B. MACFARLAND, U.S. ARMY: When the U.S. forces came in and cleared Al Qaeda out of the city and began to restore basic services, people viewed us as the solution to their problem.

ROBERTSON: At a U.S. base, the newly-appointed city mayor chosen to replace the last one apparently loyal to the insurgents, explains his gratitude to the Americans.

NAJEM ABDULLAH, MAYOR TAL AFAR (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Terrorists were everywhere in the city. People were prisoners in their own houses and death was waiting for them until the U.S. forces arrived.

ROBERTSON: A drive through the city reveals the main market shattered and closed.

UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER: You don't have to worry about snipers or anything like that.

ROBERTSON: The journalists are taken to a small market in a Shia neighborhood. In the now ethnically divided town.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE THROUGH TRANSLATOR: The Shiites are forced to live here, without doctors, he complains. Is this the security, the U.S. forces brought us? Where is the rebuilding they promised. Look at our streets. ROBERTSON: The mayor tries to interrupt him. Why can I not speak? I'm a citizen. I have the right to speak, he says. Then the crowd joins in, angrily shouting, this is not security or stability, we are told to stop filming.

Back at the youth club, anger is being channeled, not turned on the U.S. and that, it would seem, has been a good news day, or be it a brief one. Ambassador Khalilzad has been one of the most active U.S. ambassadors here so far. But even an important trip like this one has to be kept fairly short for security. Nic Robertson, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: And Nic being so intrepid has stayed up late for us, it's about 1:15 now in Baghdad in the morning. Nic, it was so unusual to see the ambassador and you as a journalist just walking through the street. How dangerous was it? How often do these ambassadors get a chance to go out of the green zone?

ROBERTSON: Well I think it's fair to say for Ambassador Khalilzad not as often as he would like, it's clearly something he enjoyed and it's something he really excels at. He really does connect very well with the people, he gets a very warm reception from what I saw. But the amount of security that has to go into a trip like that, and the amount of security that you don't see and we wouldn't give away the details of how his security is managed for obvious reasons.

But there's a huge amount of security and a lot of planning goes into it. A lot of planning to get him there. To get him there safely. To schedule everything that he has to do there and to get him back safely as well. So it doesn't happen as much as he would like and obviously as he said, a lot of it, the rest of his time is really spent on big issues, like getting the government up and running. Like talking to the politicians, like dealing with some of the big, big security issues, Carol.

LIN: In taking a look at that boy's club, you mentioned in your piece it cost half a million dollars, U.S. tax dollars. What would you say taxpayers are getting for their money? You see these boys in a nice clean club but you see the conditions out on the streets.

ROBERTSON: You know, if you could get, let's say, two, three, four dozen of these clubs across Baghdad, you would really reach into the sort of hears and minds of people in Baghdad. And you would certainly, if people realized that these were American funded clubs, but oftentimes a lot of projects can't be sign boarded as U.S. because they would attract insurgents attack. Carol?

LIN: Yes, indeed. Nic Robertson, thank you so much.

The former Soviet Republic of Belarus, more unrest over the country's disputed presidential election. For more on that, we're going to turn to Shanon Cook, Shanon?

SHANON COOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey Carol, thanks very much. As you say, more unrest in Belarus today and more arrests. Riot police used clubs to beat back hundreds of demonstrators. This has become a familiar scene on the streets at the capitol mint. Around the clock protests have been going on for days now. Demonstrators are outraged of the re-election of President Alexander Lukashenko. He's been called Europe's last dictator. And the opposition claims last week's election was rigged. And an opposition leader was among scores detained during today's clashes with police. Carol, the opposition just refusing to be silenced here and demanding a new election.

LIN: So, how has the international community, specifically the United States, responded?

COOK: Well, the west has been very critical of how the election was handled last weekend. And the U.S. and the European Union have called for an end to this harsh government crack down that's taking place and they've also said that they will impose sanctions on Lukashenko. But, you know, to be honest, Lukashenko is not likely to pay much attention to that because he's not a big fan of the west and he seems to have the full support of his close ally Russia.

LIN: All right. Hey Shanon, getting you back to North America, there is the annual seal hunt up in Canada. What's that story about this year?

COOK: Right. Well, today hunters began their annual hunt for young seals off Canada's east coast. They basically shoot and club hop seal pups. And the animals' skins are sold to make coats. It's expected that about 325 thousand baby seals will be killed in the coming weeks. Now every year the controversial call draws strong criticism from animal rights groups but Canada says that the hunt is carried out humanely and that it's vital for the local economy. Carol, they also say that it's essential to keep the population of these seals in control.

LIN: Yes, and taking a look at the video, I mean, we've seen that clubbing video. It's awfully violent. Interesting that they say that there are humane ways of going about it. There are celebrities actually stepping out on this issue.

COOK: Yes, this year we've seen Bridgette Bardot also Sir Paul McCartney and his wife Heather being very vocal about putting an end to the cub call. In fact, the McCartney's made a last minute appeal to the Canadian government to please make sure that this is the last time this ever happens.

LIN: All right. Shanon, thank you so much, so interesting.

COOK: Thank you.

LIN: Well she'd love to be one of the few and the proud, except the 78-year-old woman says she is too old to be a marine. How they tried to recruit her, next.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing is as tough as surviving a rocket propelled grenade blowing up in your lap. That's what I tell myself.

LIN: From the front lines to the campaign trail, a profile of one Iraqi vet determined to make a difference at the polls.

And later, urban fatherhood. I'm going to talk with two dads calling attention to the struggles men are facing when raising kids in the inner city. You're watching "CNN Live Saturday." Stay right there.

This video just in, you're looking at a Coast Guard rescue. Two men were in a capsized tug boat. They spent four hours in the frigid waters of Lake Okeechobee off the coast of Michigan. When their commercial tug boat capsized, these authorities actually responded to an alert that the men managed to send out before going into the water, around 3:00 in the morning. They were spotted by a rescue helicopter. They're reported to be in fair condition. They're a little dehydrated, suffering some hypothermia. So far, so good. They're darn lucky to be rescued. Much more straight ahead right here on CNN.

Leads in the case of two missing Milwaukee boys have police and FBI agents believing someone has information on the pair but is withholding it. The 11 and 12-year-olds have been missing since going to play basketball last weekend. Now if you know something about either or both of the missing boys from Milwaukee, Quadrevion Henny or Purvis Parker, please call this hot line, it's 877-628-3804.

Deputies are bringing Mary Winkler back to Tennessee. She is now charged with killing her husband, Matthew, a pastor. The church pastor was found shot dead Wednesday. Police say that Mary Winkler was in Alabama the next day with three of their children.

And America's armed forces are constantly trying to meet their recruiting goals, finding young people willing to serve. One of those recent efforts was a little off the mark. Rick Chambers of CNN affiliate KCAL has the story of a 78-year-old woman who almost became one of the few and the proud.

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RICK CHAMBERS: The United States Marines are always looking for a few good men and women and with the Iraq war underway, Arabic speaking recruits are critical. So the general in charge of recruiting for the corps, has sent out this letter, mailed it to thousands of Americans, encouraging them to join the warrior elite. In fact, the woman in this house got one. It reads, Dear Sonia Goldstein, The United States Military is in need of your service.

SONIA GOLDSTEIN, POTENTIAL RECRUIT: I couldn't believe it. My girls were sitting here, we had just come back from the convalescent home. We were in hysterics, we laughed so hard.

CHAMBERS: The letter also claims that Sonia's physical and mental limits will be pushed beyond anything she's ever known, which is easy to believe for a 78-year-old who needs assistance just leaving the front porch.

GOLDSTEIN: That was good, there I am with my walker. I can't maneuver from here to there without it. And whatever I can do, I'll help. CHAMBERS: For some reason Uncle Sam wanted Sonia for her nonexistent language skills. Now she considered a visit to the recruiting center. After all, it's just next door to her Weight Watchers office.

GOLDSTEIN: And bring my walker in, take me, here I am. Uncle Sam wants me, I'm generous. What the heck, I just don't want KT duty.

CHAMBERS: Well, as it turns out, Sonia isn't exactly what the corps is looking for.

SGT. CHRIS CASTANEDA, U.S. MARINE CORPS: Actually we're looking for highly qualified young men and women between the ages of 17 and 24. We're looking for quality, not quantity now.

CHAMBERS: 78 wouldn't qualify for that then?

CASTANEDA: Oh no.

CHAMBERS: She'd be a little too old?

CASTANEDA: She'd be a little too old.

CHAMBERS: But Sunny, as she's called, is willing to do her part.

GOLDSTEIN: Oh, I'd do whatever I could for this wonderful country we live in, you know. But this is kind of stretching it a bit.

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LIN: That's an understatement. That was Rick Chambers of KCAL reporting. Now Rick tells us that the Marines told him that Ms. Goldstein got the recruiting letter because of a paperwork error.

All right, but in the meantime, keeping up the fight for Iraq on the campaign trail, up next, the incredible story of one vet who lost both her legs but is still fighting to make a difference.

NAT SOT: It's not fun. I mean, especially with like studying that night and just with extracurriculars, it's hard.

LIN: Could your child be facing a health crisis because they're not getting enough sleep? Doctors think so. So you're going to find out why. You're watching "CNN Live Saturday."

We bring you personal stories from the front lines each week and this week Candy Crowley has a story from the front lines of a political campaign. A war veteran who's doing anything but slowing down on the campaign trail.

TAMMY DUCKWORTH, (D) CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: Well, thank you. Good to meet you.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: She is the Polaris in a galaxy of democratic hopes this election year, running in the once solidly republican, now evolving west suburbs of Chicago, for a seat long held by retiring republican Henry Hyde.

DUCKWORTH: Vote the issues, that's all I'm going to say.

CROWLEY: Oh I know.

DUCKWORTH: Vote the issues and we'll probably find that we share a lot more in common.

CROWLEY: Tammy Duckworth is a natural, a newcomer, young, female, an Iraq war veteran who says she opposed the war and proudly served.

DUCKWORTH: When I came home and I had all that time to think, I started thinking more and more about different ways that you can serve and the changes that needed to be made.

CROWLEY: Duckworth won her primary bid fueled by national democratic dollars and power endorsements, Kerry, Clinton, Cleland. Max Cleland campaigned for her recently. They hadn't seen each other for about a year, since the day he visited Walter Reed Hospital.

MAX CLELAND, FORMER U.S. SENATOR: You are taller than I am now.

DUCKWORTH: I know. I don't think you've seen me walk before.

CLELAND: No, I have not.

CROWLEY: She was A Blackhawk pilot with the Illinois National Guard, flying at treetop level near Baghdad when a rocket-propelled grenade landed in the chopper.

DUCKWORTH: Listen, my legs are gone, they're never going to grow back, and if this gives me a platform to talk about those issues that are important to people of this district, to talk about education, to talk about health care, that's fine.

CROWLEY: Cleland is the ex-senator from Georgia, proof that war hero credentials are not a political guarantee, but he gets why she has to try.

CLELAND: You lose so much. You get back in terms of your own healing what you give out to others.

CROWLEY: It will be a brass knuckles race with lots of national attention and a tough opponent. Duckworth is up for the run.

DUCKWORTH: Nothing is as tough as surviving a rocket-propelled grenade blowing up in your lap. That's what I tell myself.

CROWLEY: Like most of the veterans running, Duckworth says her race is not about her service or her injuries, but that's what makes voters sit up and notice. So be it.

Candy Crowley, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: Taking a stand against legislation targeting illegal immigrants. You've seen the pictures out of Los Angeles today. Now the city's Hispanic mayor is going to weigh in. He is my guest next. You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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LIN: This is what's happening right now in the news. Freed, British hostage Norman Kember is back home in London. Iraqi militants held the 74-year-old peace activists captive for four months. On Thursday, U.S. and British forces rescued Kember and two other hostages in a house near Baghdad.

Famed country music star Buck Owens has died. A family spokesman says the 76 year old singer passed away this morning at his home in Bakersfield, California. Owens may be best remembered for his work on the popular TV show "Hee-Haw."

Taking a swing against crime. This week, members of a church in West Palm Beach, Florida, overpowered a suspected burglar. They began sleeping in the church in shifts armed with baseball bats after it had been broken into several times.

Immigration rallies. Look at this one out of Los Angeles. Thousands of people rallied in Los Angeles and elsewhere against immigration reforms before Congress. The legislation would crack down on illegal immigration and tighten border security.

We have seen the people by the thousands, tens of thousands gathered in Los Angeles and in other cities around the country today. Many of them protesting bills that are before the Congress on Monday and Tuesday. Joining me from Los Angeles is mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

Mr. Mayor, I have to say when we saw you earlier you were on fire. You were speaking from your heart. What do you see out there? What do you see out there? Is it fear or is it anger?

MAYOR ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA, LOS ANGELES: Fear, anger, a sense of trepidation. There were 500,000 people there today, according to the chief of police Bill Bratton. Not one arrest, no incidents of unruly or illegal activity. These were people who peaceably marched down the streets of Los Angeles in opposition to the Sensenbrenner legislation. Let me just say something about this legislation, by the way --

LIN: This is the one that makes it a felony to be here in the United States illegally?

VILLARAIGOSA: It would criminalize 11 million people. And potentially incarcerate 11 million people. It's a bill that goes against the grain of our tradition in America of being humane and embracing of immigrants. This was a country founded on immigrants, as you know.

I'm the son of an immigrant. Many -- 46 percent of Los Angeles is foreign born. These people work hard, they play by the rules. As you can see by this demonstration, they care passionately this great country.

LIN: I'm the daughter of immigrants. Immigrant who came here by applying for visas and applying legally. The argument seems to be in my last debate in the last hour is that the problem is not with immigration. It's illegal immigration and people who are not going through health checks, who aren't cleared for criminal background. And in the post-9/11 era there is also fear and anger on the other side and they're hearing it on Capitol Hill.

VILLARAIGOSA: They are hearing it on Capitol Hill, but let me tell you, anybody who saw today's demonstration and the demonstrations across the country, there's a great deal of anger on this end as well. Let me just say this, there's a bipartisan initiative to address this issue of immigration. It's supported by and authored by Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy. It's sensible, it's humane. It addresses this issue, border security, and enforcing our immigration laws.

LIN: Beef up the border but provide a way for immigrants who are here illegally to register and continue to work?

VILLARAIGOSA: I beg your pardon?

LIN: The guest worker program, to allow the people who are here to register and continue to work for a period of time.

VILLARAIGOSA: That's right. But it also gives these 11 million people, in addition to enforcing our immigration laws and securing our border, it gives them, if they've worked here, played by the rules, paid their taxes an avenue for earned legalization. It's a kind of smart, comprehensive way to issue of immigration form that doesn't, you know, engage in the kind of, I think, very divisive and wrong- headed public policy that the Sensenbrenner legislation represents.

LIN: Later on I'm going to be talking with an author of a book who talks about the fear in America against Mexican immigration and yet he makes the point that 42 million Americans in the United States, people who are here in United States, have family in Mexico and that even after building walls, that illegal immigration has increased, so is there any way to actually control the flow, or is it always going to be inevitable, Mr. Mayor, that there is going to be a cross border connection?

VILLARAIGOSA: Well, there's always going to be a cross border connection. But let me just say this, every country in the world has a right to enforce immigration laws. We live in a nation founded on the rule of law and, of course, when you break the law there are consequences for that.

Nobody is saying at this point that these people should automatically become citizen in any way. What they are saying is that we need to provide an avenue for earned legalization, that we need to enforce our borders, but do it in collaboration with our neighbors in Canada, and Mexico.

By the way, illegal immigration is not just -- has at its source Mexican immigration to the United States. There are illegal immigrants from all over the world. Canada, Ireland, many other countries. Yes, the biggest population is from Mexico, but this is an issue that we have to deal with collaboratively. We've got to invest in the center countries, so that they are not sending people to the country.

LIN: And I would have to say also that the president going to Mexico this week is going to make that point with President Fox, and he's going to say, listen, you've got to give your people incentive to stay. So I think the president is also looking for Mexico to do its share in this bargain.

Mr. Mayor, I want to say it's a pleasure having you. Appreciate your time. What a turnout today. Half a million people.

VILLARAIGOSA: Take care, Carol.

LIN: All right, so is your child getting enough sleep? Chances are they are not and it could have a dramatic effect on their health. So you're going to get some expert advice coming up.

And later, two fathers on a mission to help urban dads. Straight ahead, the magazine they started for men of color.

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LIN: If you're teens say they need to sleep late, let them. Does that surprise you. Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta tells us that you and your teens will be happier and healthier if you just let them snooze just a little bit longer.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, kiddo. Do you want anything for breakfast?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): It's not even 6:00 a.m., but for this 15-year-old Christina Petrick, it's already time to get up. She needs to make it to class on time. The high school sophomore usually gets to bed by 11:00 p.m., so getting up at the crack of dawn isn't always easy.

CHRISTINA PETRICK, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: It's not fun. I mean, especially with, like, studying that night and just with extra curriculars, it's hard.

GUPTA: Sleep specialists say more and more children, especially teenagers, are suffering from sleep deprivation.

DR. DANNY LEWIN, CHILDREN'S NATIONAL MEDICAL CENTER: We're looking at potentially a real health crisis, both in terms of creating problems with behavior, having negative, long-term health outcomes, and an impact on children's ability to learn and function well in school.

GUPTA: And for teens there's actually a biological shift in the time of day that they sleep that's different from the rest of us. LEWIN: Around the time of puberty, adolescents' clocks starts to run a little bit more slowly. That means that they don't get tired until later and they want to sleep later.

GUPTA: The National Sleep Foundation says on average kids age five to 12 need 10 to 11 hours of sleep each night. Adolescents need nine hours or more, but are getting only seven and a half or less. And there are serious repercussions when they don't get it.

LEWIN: Insufficient sleep, too little sleep on a nightly basis, can cause inattention, can cause hyperactivity and impulsivity and other problems in decision-making.

GUPTA: So parents, watch for signs of inadequate sleep, difficulty waking up in the morning, unplanned naps during the day, irritability and snoring. They could all be signs that your child is sleep-deprived.

Lewin says parents of younger children should set earlier bedtime routines and regular bedtimes. Also, eliminate caffeinated beverages. And for teens, help prioritize their activities and don't let them stay up too late into the night.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, New York.

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LIN: So let's give you tips that hopefully will help you sleep better tonight. Michael Breus joins me now. He's a sleep expert and is the senior vice president of American Sleep Diagnostics. Michael, good to have you. I love guests with props because it gives us something to really be specific about. This, obviously, everybody's got a pillow. What is so special about this one?

MICHAEL BREUS, SLEEP EXPERT: It's kind of interesting. I've been sort of learning more about pillows. This is a product called the ambient comfort pillow. It's created with a fiber called hullow (ph) fiber, which has little lenses woven into the yarn and it's kind of like a solar cell. It actually takes that energy and actually helps you increase your oxygenation in your skin.

LIN: That's supposed to help you get better sleep?

BREUS: It can not only help you get better night sleep but helps with healing, muscle repair, things of that nature.

LIN: You've got these night shades sleep shades. One for women, a cooling gel, comfort for older women who might be going through menopause?

BREUS: For people who are having hot flashes or even people who wake up with night sweats. What we find is they can place this, put it in the refrigerator and actually get a little bit cooler in the evening.

LIN: And what about music? Do you think that's something? I do that for a child but not necessarily for an adult.

BREUS: It's interesting. There's been certain studies looking at the types of sounds that people listen to. Ocean sounds, believe it or not, help people fall asleep. Next comes white noise. After that, it's kind of a little bit of a catcher's catch can. One of the things I warn people about is you probably don't want to have running water because it will make you have to go to bathroom.

LIN: Having lived by the ocean at one point in my life it sounds an awfully lot like a highway. It can keep you awake. What is the one thing, if you could pick one thing that people can do to get a good night's sleep on a regular basis, what would it be?

BREUS: People need to regularize their schedule. If possible, try to go to bed and wake up at the same time. If you can't go to bed at the same time, make sure you wake up at the same time so if you're out late until, you know, 12:30, 1:00 in the morning and you usually get up around 7:00, I would go ahead and get up at 7:00. I know. Even though you get --

LIN: Do you have any fun?

BREUS: Absolutely. Absolutely. You can catch up on sleep, which is the thing that most people don't realize.

LIN: I didn't think you could.

BREUS: Absolutely, you can. One of the things I tell people to do all the time is if you only got five hours of sleep, take a nap. A short nap during the day can be extremely effective. Help people revitalize themselves and I wouldn't want people driving to and from work.

LIN: I'll mention that to management at CNN first thing Monday morning after a good night's sleep. Thank you. Good to have you.

Up next, they started a magazine to help fathers raising kids in the inner city. Their story straight ahead.

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LIN: It sounds like good news. The economy's improving. More students are going to college and more people are buying homes. But there's one segment of the population that's literally fading away.

We're talking about young Black men. Several recent reports show uneducated Black men are disconnecting from society. For instance, by their mid 30s, six out of ten African-American men who dropped out of high school had spent time in prison. And half of all black men in their 20s and 30s who did not go to college are noncustodial fathers.

That's where one new magazine hopes to help Black fathers refocus. Joining us now is the publisher of "Fatherhood", Anwan Wesley and his older brother Ahmad who is the focus, the cover guy of the first issue. Good to have both of you. By the way, you make a great cover guy, OK? What a great story you guys have. Let me begin with you, why do you think that there's going to be interest in this magazine?

ANWAN WESLEY, "FATHERHOOD": For one, the statistics you just spoke about, you know, we're trying to change that in our community.

LIN: Right. But those are the guys who need to read your magazine, right, and are they going to.

WESLEY: Absolutely, because we are young and because we have different situations, like they may be facing. So I believe that what we're bringing forth is relatable to our target audience.

LIN: What do you talk about, what to do when you get up in the middle of the night and your daughter is sleepless? I'm trying to manage an urban dad tackling the issue. That's your story there with your three year old little girl.

AHMAD WESLEY, "FATHERHOOD": Yes. I mean, we work on all aspects of the story. Waking up with your kid in the middle of the night, sickness, how to deal with them in school, how to deal with them when they're out, how they can relate socially, mentally, physically. I mean, just all aspects of raising a child. That's what we do.

LIN: A lot of it is mental and physical. So I think what really attracted us to this story is the fact that it just busts so many stereotypes, don't you think?

There are fathers out there like you guys, right?

And they're not making the headlines which is so unfair. I'm just wondering, Anwan, your father's story, was that the tipping point for you to start this magazine?

Say that again?

Your father's story. Was that the tipping point for you?

ANWAN WESLEY: My father's story? Well, as far as me starting a magazine, it came about because of my own situation, yes. My father, he was there more than a lot of the fathers aren't there.

LIN: Are we losing you in can you guys hear me?

Ahmad, if you can get one thing across, to not only urban dads but to parents everywhere. What do you want them to understand about the urban dad?

AHMAD WESLEY: About the urban dad, that we're out here that we do take care of our children and the way that it starts is consistency. You have to have a consistent relationship with your child no matter what.

LIN: Because for the dad who wants to step away, for the dad who wants to step away, what's he missing? AHMAD WESLEY: He's missing a lot. Hess missing a beautiful child grow up to have a beautiful life. I mean, you're missing a part of you grow up.

ANWAN WESLEY: The child is going to be what you put in it. If you're not around to help raise the child and instill values and things into a child, you really can't expect the child to grow up and be wholesome. So the fathers are missing out on being that leader because fathers are leaders. So, you know, they're missing out on life and growing and being a part of something that is -- that's meaningful.

LIN: Amazingly hard and you're right, it is just a miracle when you look at these kids. The Wesley brothers, thank you so much. Good luck with the magazine "Fatherhood."

Lots more ahead on CNN tonight. Up next at 7:00 eastern, "WELCOME TO THE FUTURE," a look at new technology. At 8:00, "CNN PRESENTS: 26 Hours of Terror." At 9:00, Larry's guest tonight is Liza Minelli. I'll be back at 10:00 eastern.

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