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Porter Goss' Replacement As CIA Chief Chosen; Rumsfeld Under Fire; British Healthier Than Americans

Aired May 06, 2006 - 16:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, and welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield and all that and more after a check of the headlines.
Three workers are dead after a high-rise construction site accident just north of Miami Beach, Florida. They fell after the wooden platform they were working on collapsed. A fourth worker is hospitalized.

More bad weather may be in store for parts of the Lone Star State this afternoon. Overnight storms included hail and a possible tornado touchdown in Waco, Texas. CNN Meteorologist Jacqui Jeras has your weekend forecast coming up.

A British helicopter crash in Basra, Iraq, sparked deadly clashes between responding soldiers and people on the ground. Four Iraqis were killed and 29 were wounded in the melee with British forces. It's unknown how many died aboard the chopper.

In Afghanistan, the U.S. military is investigating the crash of a helicopter last night in the Kunar province. All ten U.S. soldiers aboard were killed. The military says the crash was not the result of enemy attack.

Topping our "Security Watch" this hour, it's no secret, big changes are ahead at the nation's spy agency. CNN has learned that this man, Air Force General Michael Hayden, could be headed for the CIA's top spot. Senior administration officials say he's President Bush's choice to replace Porter Goss, who abruptly resigned as CIA director yesterday. Our Elaine Quijano joins us now from the White House with more.

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon to you, Fredricka. That's right, senior administration officials tell CNN that President Bush has settled on Air Force General Michael Hayden as his choice to be the CIA director.

Now, General Hayden is currently serving as the deputy director of national intelligence. He is the highest-ranking military intelligence officer and he formerly headed up the National Security Agency, or NSA.

As for Porter Goss' resignation, this morning CNN caught up with him outside his home before he left for a commencement address in Ohio. He didn't have much to say and when pressed he said that the reasons behind his decision to leave the CIA would remain, quote, just one of those mysteries.

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QUESTION: Can you tell us why you are quitting?

PORTER GOSS, CIA DIRECTOR: I think that got played pretty well yesterday. Thank you.

QUESTION: No, nobody knows why.

GOSS: Well, it's just one of those mysteries. I've got some things to do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

QUIJANO: Now, the White House is speaking out, trying to knock down a published report that President Bush lost confidence in Porter Goss almost from the beginning. Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino calling those reports, quote, categorically untrue.

As for what happened, intelligence sources have told CNN that Goss had sharp policy differences with the man he reported to, John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence. That it was differences over plans to move staff from the CIA to other intelligence agencies.

In the meantime, senior officials say an announcement on a successor is planned for Monday.

WHITFIELD: And after that announcement, Elaine, of course there would have to be confirmation hearings, might this be an uphill battle for General Michael Hayden or smooth sailing?

QUIJANO: Unclear at this point. Certainly Democrats have already begun to make some noise, because as the head of the NSA he was the man in charge at the NSA when that controversial warrantless wiretap program went into effect. There certainly could be some tough questions in a confirmation process. At the same time if the Democrats do try to filibuster, traditionally national security has been this administration's strong suit, it could end up backfiring on them.

WHITFIELD: Elaine Quijano at the White House. Thank you so much.

CNN is committed to providing you the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security.

He's running a war overseas, but Donald Rumsfeld finds himself on the front lines back home. The defense secretary has faced some of his most heated protests yet over the Iraq war. Here's our senior national correspondent, John Roberts.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOHN ROBERTS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The secretary of defense is used to controversy and attacks on all sides. But this Atlanta, he took more incoming than we've ever seen, a full-on verbal assault by opponents of the Iraq war, who showed up to see him speak.

The first volley came from a woman who brought a banner, accusing Rumsfeld of war crimes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) nuclear war.

ROBERTS: As most protesters are in a roomful of administration- friendly folks, she lost her banner and was quickly led out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't want to hear it.

RUMSFELD: Good for you, Sergeant York.

ROBERTS: The next attack came a short five minutes later, another woman with another banner accusing Rumsfeld of lying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's lied.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out of here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's lied in Iraq and said oil would pay (ph) for the war. You've lied about everything.

ROBERTS: But this one the secretary just couldn't let go.

RUMSFELD: You know what, that charge is frequently leveled against the president for one reason or another, and it is so wrong and so unfair and so destructive of a free system where people need to trust each other and government.

ROBERTS: In truth, Rumsfeld never said Iraq's oil would pay for the war. But his then-deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, did say it would pay for the aftermath.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, FORMER DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.

ROBERTS: Hecklers, like the man who stood with his back toward the secretary during the speech, couldn't rattle a man with Rumsfeld's steel, but in an extraordinary piece of public theater, Ray McGovern, a retired CIA analyst with 27 years experience, took Rumsfeld on mano- a-mano over prewar claims Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

MCGOVERN: You said you knew where they were.

RUMSFELD: I did not. I said I knew where suspect sites were, and we were...

MCGOVERN: You said you knew where they were, near Tikrit near Baghdad and north, east, south and west of there. Those are your words.

RUMSFELD: In my words, my words were that -- no, no, no. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let him stay one second. Just a second.

MCGOVERN: This is America, huh?

ROBERTS: And in America, we fact check, and we found that in an appearance on ABC's "This Week" three years ago, Rumsfeld did say those words.

RUMSFELD: We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

ROBERTS: With what appeared to be the facts on his side, McGovern kept going, an exchange that lasted a full two minutes and 35 seconds.

MCGOVERN: I'd just like an honest answer.

RUMSFELD: I'm giving it to you.

MCGOVERN: We're talking about lies. And your allegation that there was bulletproof evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq. Was that a lie? Or were you misled?

ROBERTS: Hold on, did Rumsfeld ever say bulletproof? According to "The New York Times" he did, September 27, 2002, in Atlanta. And a month later, he admitted saying it.

But a year after that, he told the National Press Club, bulletproof? Not me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You said about a year ago that there was bulletproof evidence that Saddam -- links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

RUMSFELD: I did not say that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. September 23.

RUMSFELD: And whoever said I said it is wrong.

ROBERTS: But back to the action in Atlanta.

RUMSFELD: Zarqawi was in Baghdad during the prewar period. That is a fact.

MCGOVERN: Zarqawi, he was in the north of Iraq in a place where Saddam Hussein had no rule. That's where he was.

RUMSFELD: He was also -- he was also in Baghdad.

MCGOVERN: Yes, when he needed to go to the hospital. Come on, these people aren't idiots. They know the story. RUMSFELD: You are -- let me give you an example. It's easy for you to make a charge, but why do you think that the men and women in uniform every day, when they came out of Kuwait and went into Iraq, put on chemical weapon protective suits? Because they liked the style?

They honestly believed that there were chemical weapons. Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons on his own people previously. He'd used them on his neighbor, the Iranians, and he believed he had those weapons, we believed he had those weapons.

MCGOVERN: That's what we call a non sequitur. It doesn't matter what the troops believe. It matters what you believe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think, Mr. Secretary, the debate is over. We have other questions, in courtesy to the audience.

ROBERTS: And with that, they declared and end to the face-off, but unlike the other opponents of the war, McGovern took his seat and remained quiet through the rest of the speech.

John Roberts, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: A war of words in the U.S., the real thing in Iraq. The southern city of Basra is under an overnight curfew after a deadly clash between British troops and Iraqis. It left four Iraqis dead and 29 wounded. The fighting broke out after a British military helicopter crashed killing an unknown number of people on board. Ground troops who came to the scene got peppered by gunfire and bottle bombs. It is still not clear why the chopper went down.

Rescuers in Australia are just a few feet away from two gold miners who have been trapped underground for the last 11 days. But emergency officials say the rescue effort has reached a dangerous phase. Workers are trying to bore through ten feet of solid rock, using handheld tools inside a cramped tunnel. Rescuers have managed to deliver food, water and other items to the men through a narrow tube.

Coming up, rough weather across Texas. We'll get the latest on the cleanup.

Also, it turns out that the British may be healthier than many Americans. How did that happen?

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WHITFIELD: It was a stormy night in many parts of Texas last night. A Coco- Cola bottling plant was hit in downtown Waco. Officials with the National Weather Service are unsure whether it was a tornado or strong winds that whacked the building and tossed the delivery trucks.

Waco's mayor has declared parts of the city disaster areas. Downed power lines cut power to much of Waco. And in Klondike, which is northeast of Dallas, a funnel cloud was captured on video. And in parts of West Texas, such as Lubbock, large hail was reported there. There could be more nasty weather in Texas and parts of the Gulf coast this weekend.

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WHITFIELD: Americans take on the British in a battle over health. And guess who gets clobbered? Americans, by a long shot. A new study finds middle-aged whites in this country are much sicker than their English counterparts, even though the U.S. spends much more on health care than Britain does. What gives? I talked to one of the study's author's earlier today, who is also a doctor.

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SIR MICHAEL MARMOT, CO-AUTHOR OF STUDY: Well, we found both countries had this dramatic difference in health depending where you are in the social hierarchy, but the British were more healthy at every point in the social hierarchy. The Americans had more illness.

WHITFIELD: And so why is that, do you suppose? Were you able to get to the bottom of that?

MARMOT: We -- we were better at ruling out explanations than we were ruling them in. The first was when people think about health, they usually think about health care. And you spend about two and a half times as much per capita as we do on health care. So it's most unlikely that people at the top of the hierarchy in the U.S. have worse health, because they have worse health care, and, yet, the people at the top in the U.S. had worse health than people at the bottom in England.

WHITFIELD: And when we talk about health, you even broke it down into such factors like, among Americans, higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, stroke, lung disease, and even cancer. And this, despite the fact that Europeans or Britons, more specifically, are much more inclined to smoke. And that being a factor that didn't seem to impact the health of Britons compared to Americans.

WHITFIELD: No. Well, smoking, of course, and the harms health wherever it happens, but it was not the explanation of the country difference. One of the obvious places to look was obesity.

The obesity epidemic has been faster, more rapid, and more advanced in the U.S. compared with England. And particularly the high rates of diabetes in the U.S. compared with England point to obesity as a possible factor. And, yet, when we took account of the differences in obesity and smoking and other risk factors, we still had this dramatically increased risk of illness in the Americans.

So we were there into the realm of speculation. And to ask what is it? We have to look much more fundamentally at the nature of society, at the conditions in which people live and work.

WHITFIELD: Stresses? MARMOT: Stresses, indeed. Take working life. If Americans, for example, are working longer hours, they work more weeks a year than the English do. If, for example, Americans have the work/life balance more rigged towards work than towards the other parts of life, that will be more stressful. It will have an impact on health at all points in this socioeconomic hierarchy.

If you look at the quality of residential neighborhoods, might that be a factor? If there are fears of crime, of disruption in neighborhoods, might that be a factor in accounting for worse health of Americans?

WHITFIELD: And interestingly enough, it seemed like, one of the factors that didn't seem to make much of a difference was alcohol as well. Britons might imbibe more than Americans, but somehow Americans' health is in greater jeopardy.

MARMOT: I've argued strongly in Britain that we drink too much, and it's bad for our health, and yet, that played very little role in the inter country differences. And I think this is an urgent call to both researchers, but also to everybody in the U.S., to ask, what is it about our society that's not actually delivering the level of good health that we would expect from a country as rich as we are.

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WHITFIELD: Sir and Doctor Michael Marmot.

Coming up, greasing the skids for an energy alternative? We'll show you how.

And parenting in the cyberage ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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WHITFIELD: New information we're learning about a suspicious incident on a passenger plane this afternoon, and now the FBI is getting involved. Agents are questioning four passengers from the flight, which was an American Airlines flight, which was heading from Dallas to Newark, New Jersey.

Officials say the passengers were acting suspiciously. No details are being given, however. There was a team of federal marshals on board. The plane did eventually land safely in Newark, and we will bring you all the details as we get them.

No relief at the pump, the price of gas is still hovering around the three dollar mark in the U.S. The national average for a gallon of unleaded regular is $2.92, that's up from yesterday, the highest average price was just over three dollars a gallon. That was last September right after Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf coast.

There are things people can do to fight climbing gas prices, including turning your leftovers into powering your cars and trucks. Christopher King found one man who was saving thousands of dollars by making his truck run on cooking grease. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRISTOPHER KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Jonathan Pratt is burning fat as he drives. He's not using an expensive diet pill, and no, he's not doing aerobics behind the wheel. Pratt is driving a grease truck, powered primarily by vegetable oil, fatty calorie-laden grease, leftover from the kitchens of the three restaurants he owns in New York's northern suburbs.

(on camera): Why would anybody want to own a grease car?

JONATHAN PRATT, GREASE TRUCK OWNER: I was driving a lot, and I was driving a big, comfy, very expensive pickup truck that got about eight to nine miles per gallon. My wife noticed that I was spending about $800 a month on fuel.

KING (voice-over): A business partner at the time gave Pratt a book, "From the Fire to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide on Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel."

Laugh if you want, but Pratt says with gasoline prices skyrocketing, veggie power is helping him save a bushel of money.

PRATT: The first year we saved close to $6,000 and it's been that way since about two years now.

KING: Pratt forked over about $800 for the conversion kit and $1,000 for his friend, auto mechanic, Wally Little, to install it.

WALLY LITTLE, GARAGE OWNER: I thought he was crazy. Naturally, working on cars for most of my life, I didn't think it would work.

KING: Little says he's outfitted as many as 200 vehicles with the dual diesel veggie system and now Little is a convert.

LITTLE: I see that you get more mileage. You can go just as far, and it burns cleaner.

KING: He's powering his own truck with greased lightning. Biofuel supporters say vegetable oil burns more cleanly than gasoline, and so it's better for the environment and it's cheaper. All you have to do is find a restaurant or deli that wants to get rid of its kitchen grease.

(on camera): Believe it or not the same oil used to cook these french fries is the very same oil used to power their cars and truck, of course, minus the salt and the ketchup.

(voice-over): But greased cars and trucks are not for everyone. Veggie oil only works with diesel engines. Then you have to filter the oil. And once you pour it into the fuel tank, you have to heat the vegetable oil so it won't clog. Pratt says the inconvenience is minor compared to the money he's saving and the good he's doing for the environment. Christopher King for CNN, Yorktown Heights, New York.

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WHITFIELD: Coming up, who is this man? General Michael Hayden, the man tapped to become the nation's next spy master.

And do you know what your children chat about online? If their Internet messages look anything like this, it could be a sign that they don't want you to know what they are talking about. We decode the online lingo known as leetspeak (ph).

The winds howl and the rain pours, but in the hurricane there's another major concern for the coastal areas. Details in todays "Hurricane 101."

BONNIE SCHNEIDER, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I'm CNN meteorologist Bonnie Schneider. As we get closer and closer to the start of hurricane season, we're helping you prepare. We're providing you with hurricane 101, or factoids of information to get you ready for the start of the season.

Today we're talking about storm surge, which is actually the piling of water that occurs when a hurricane comes onshore. Now, back last year when Hurricane Dennis struck, as you can see it came on to Navarre Beach at 2:25 central time, July 10th. However, over 100 miles away from the storm we had major storm surge. Over ten feet of water in the town of St. Marks Florida, right on the border of the St. Marks and Wakulla Rivers.

The water piles up high and can create a lot of flooding. And unfortunately storm surge is the leading killer when it comes to hurricanes, due to the flooding and due to the deaths that result from drowning in that water. It's something we'll be watching this hurricane season for sure.

If you'd like more information on Hurricane 101 go to CNN/weather. I'm meteorologist Bonnie Schneider, and CNN is your hurricane headquarters.

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WHITFIELD: A look now at the headlines. In Iraq, Basra is under curfew. Iraqis fought with British troops reponding to helicopter crash. Four Iraqis were killed. An unknown number died in the chopper crash.

Ten American soldiers were killed in another helicopter crash, this one in Afghanistan. The Chinook went down Friday during combat operations in the Afghan mountains.

Three workers were killed in Florida, today. They were pouring concretes on the 26th floor of a construction site when the floor gave way. Another worker was injured.

The outgoing director of the CIA gave the commencement address at a small Ohio university today. Porter Goss didn't say anything at Tiffin University about yesterday's unexpected resignation, however. Nearly everyone knows that when you're online, "lol" means "laugh out loud," but do you recognize these acronyms? "Pos," and its variations are how kids signal to each other online that a grownup is hovering nearby. It may sound harmless, but if you are a parent, you need to know about the potential dangers. This is alphabet soup online lingo is known as leetspeak.

Throughout the day here on CNN we'll tell you which ones are red flags, possible signs of an Internet predator trolling for your child. CNN's Boston bureau chief Dan Lothian explains how some parents are learning some eye-opening lessons.

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KATIE LECLERC, INTERNET EXPERT: Unbelievable the things that these kids are getting into online.

DAN LOTHIAN, CNN BOSTON BUREAU CHIEF (voice-over): Katie Leclerc is an Internet-savvy 23-year-old, holding the hands of parents, as they take an eye-opening excursion through cyberspace.

LECLERC: So you can know what's really going on. I don't take it lightly. I do say I'm not trying to scare you, but it's scary out there. So I'm honest.

LOTHIAN: With the explosion of social networking sites like MySpace and growing concerns over online predators, more and more communities in places like Massachusetts and Florida are finding that parents, not just children, need to be educated.

ERIC WALTON, COMPUTER FORENSIC ANALYST: We want them to be as comfortable as they can be in order to be able to help their kids.

LOTHIAN: Walton is part of a team training parents in Florida. Leclerc works for the Massachusetts attorney general's office.

TOM REILLY, MASS. ATTY. GENERAL: We had some cases and then decided we'd better start some education here.

LOTHIAN: So Leclerc was hired full-time to crisscross the state, offering more than just tips and talking points. She logs onto live chat rooms, poses as a 14-year-old blonde girl with blue eyes and shows these Massachusetts parents how easy it is for chatter to turn dark and potentially dangerous.

LECLERC: See, I just got offered a cyber sex chat.

LOTHIAN: Then comes this offer...

LECLERC: Any sexy, petite blonde or brunette females under 21 want to make a sexy 20-year-old male feel better? I'm really stressed out.

LOTHIAN: Leclerc then goes back and forth, Instant Messaging a 20-year-old male who jokes, he doesn't mind that she's 14.

REILLY: We show them, and they realize what their children have access to.

MARYANNE ELLIS, MOTHER OF TEENAGER: It was wild.

LOTHIAN: Maryanne Ellis, a mom, says she now understands the potential online dangers facing her 17-year-old daughter and others like her.

ELLIS: All her friends have her pictures from a prom on the Internet, and they can be tapped into in various places, and it's out of her control.

LOTHIAN: This effort isn't aimed at pulling the plug on the Internet or MySpace, just a tool to help parents make good decisions and ask their children the right questions.

LECLERC: What are you doing, who are your friends, what are you using, show me how to use it.

LOTHIAN (on-camera): All of the sites have safety guidelines and some have age restrictions, so if your child is too young, those sites should probably be blocked.

Dan Lothian, CNN, Boston.

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WHITFIELD: Coming up, the number of human cases of avian flu worldwide is low. But what happens if such a virus were to get out of control?

Next, some expert tips on how you can prepare for any possible pandemics.

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WHITFIELD: No work, no school no getting out of your house. It's the extreme scenario if a pandemic spreads through the U.S. As the White House outlines its plan of action, we must ask, are you ready for it? Our Tom Forman investigates in a report you may have first seen on "ANDERSON COOPER 360."

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More than wars, more than crime, more than natural disasters, disease is the great killer of humankind. And pandemics are the nuclear explosions of disease. The impact of a pandemic here could be massive, according to infectious disease experts like Dr. Nicole Lurie of the RAND Corporation.

DR. NICOLE LURIE, INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT, RAND CORPORATION: At the height of this, we expect, for example, that, you know, 30 or 40 percent of people may be infected or out of work. And that has pretty big implications for how our society runs.

FOREMAN: The best guesses about worst cases suggest a catastrophic flu outbreak would begin in a few cities and then be spread by travelers in a series of infectious waves over months or even years.

LURIE: It has implications for whether people can get the medical care that they need. It has implications for whether schools stay open, whether there's food in the supermarkets, whether the transportation is running, whether law enforcement is up and active. It has all those kinds of implications.

FOREMAN: In other words, you may not be able to count on all the services you routinely count on now. And if infections and fatalities shot up too quickly, it's possible whole neighborhoods could be quarantined.

(on camera): The most extreme measures are, of course, also the most unlikely, in part because they're difficult. It's hard to corral people in a place where they may not want to be, but also because simpler measures may be more effective.

(voice-over): Officials say, if people will just wash their hands well, give each other some space, stay home if they feel sick, and prepare emergency supplies so they can stay inside for a few days, a pandemic may not wreak such havoc.

DR. GEORGES BENJAMIN, AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION: The big problem here is that, if we don't prepare, that's what will happen. And I think the initiative here is to make sure that we do prepare.

FOREMAN: The lessons of recent disasters, they say, are clear: Don't get scared. Get ready.

Tom Foreman, CNN, Alexandria, Virginia.

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WHITFIELD: And that report first aired on "ANDERSON COOPER 360." For comprehensive, in-depth coverage of the day's news, watch "ANDERSON COOPER 360" each weeknight at 10:00 p.m., 7:00 Pacific right here on CNN.

So how exactly do you prepare for a pandemic like say a global spread of avian flu? Dr. Bill Lloyd joins us to help separate some fact from fiction and get us all already.

All right. Good to see you, Dr. Bill.

BILL LLOYD, UNIV. OF CALIF.-DAVIS MED. CTR.: Hi, Fredicka.

WHITFIELD: All right. So we're talking about a pandemic which means global widespreading (ph) of is something. And in the case of, say, avian flu, while there haven't been any kind of reported cases in the U.S., not to alarm anyone, if there were means of preparing your household or your family, how would you go about that?

LLOYD: Yes, well, as Tom mentioned in his report, this is different than other disasters, and when you think about planning for a pandemic, you think about how will my life be affected if I can't contact other people for three weeks? That is, if I'm trapped in my house with my family and friends for a three-week period, what will my life be like? That means how will you communicate with others? What will activities be like for you and your children? Will you have books for your children to study while they are not at school?

And what about the workplace? Will you be telecommuting? Do you have a plan for being absent from work for so long? How will you take care of your finances? Do you have a reasonable supply of cash on hand if you didn't get to an ATM or if the banks were closed?

What about transportation? You may not be able to operate your car. Gas stations may not be open. It's time to network with your neighbors.

And then special needs. You may have a child with a health problem or a senior citizen who lives with you. How will we take care of those people in the event we have no one else to rely on?

And, Fredicka, in President Bush's report, the implementation plan that came out earlier this week, you can believe it. We cannot count on the federal government, because the plans call for individual family planning to react to a potential pandemic.

WHITFIELD: And so part of that individual family planning also means, you know, getting some family essentials together. You have helped devise a nice list for everybody so that they get an idea of what sort of things to stock up on, beginning with food and water.

LLOYD: Certainly. Yes, going back to thinking about how will I do if I don't have anybody else around to help me. You've already mentioned food and water. Think about those non-perishables, but also get some extra fluids because there's a good chance that someone in that household will come down with the flu and they are going to need fluids with electrolytes.

The Basic First Aid kit, because three weeks of life of hanging around the house without a nearby emergency room needs you have got to have Band-Aids and (INAUDIBLE) and all those other things. Your everyday over-the-counter products that you use, your cough syrups, your allergy products as well, and remedies for things like diarrhea and tummy aches, you're going to want to have a supply of those as well because you may not be able to get over to the drugstore. And then the usual items like a radio, a flashlight and a good supply of batteries.

WHITFIELD: And these are things that you're not, as you're saying, relying on the federal government or any other entity to do, but there are certain measures that the government is taking up on, such as, say, in the case of bird flu, Tamiflu, stocking up on that. You know, what do your families need to be considering when it comes down to medications or remedies, et cetera?

LLOYD: Yes, the question comes up, maybe we should all go out and buy a bunch of Tamiflu, get our doctors to write us a prescription. But the public health officials say, back off, that's one of the key responsibilities of federal and state government. They are already stockpiling the Tamiflu medication, which has to be administered within two days of getting the avian flu, and if everybody else is out buying it, they won't be able to build those stockpiles.

So don't worry about the Tamiflu. Think about an extra 30-day supply of prescription medications that your family members are presently taking. And again, go back to the medicine chest, you may get sick from something else during that three-week the isolation, so do you have cough syrup and allergy medicines and things like that?

It just takes a little bit of preparation to keep yourself safe in the event of a possible pandemic.

WHITFIELD: All right. Thanks so much for underscoring the basics we all need to be aware of. Dr. Bill Lloyd, thanks so much.

LLOYD: We'll be talking about it again and again.

WHITFIELD: I have that feeling. Thanks so much.

Well, Carol Lin is here now, we're talking about what's coming up in the next hour. Good to see you.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: I wish I brought my pen. You know, I was trying take a list of things that I would have to supply.

WHITFIELD: We can help you out.

LIN: OK. I'll check in with you after the show.

WHITFIELD: OK.

LIN: In the next couple of hours, two highlights, of course, we're covering all the day's news, but the next hour, we're going to get in the mystery, as Porter Goss called it today, as to why he resigned. He said it's going to be one of the great mysteries. But a man I'm talking to wrote the book, I mean, literally, about "Inside the CIA." So he's got some really interesting insights.

And then at 6:00 in the next hour, I'm going to be talking to the school principal who really took on this whole sugar issue. She banned sugar from the school cafeteria menu in her school. And she got flak from the parents. You know, are you judging me for the snacks that I give my child? But she said, no sugar. She gave alternatives. She took on the system. And she really feels like she's winning with her kids.

WHITFIELD: All right. Very good. We'll be watching, 5:00 to 6:00, thanks so much.

LIN: You bet.

WHITFIELD: Well, now a story of a man whose next job, that is, could impact the lives of a lot of Americans. Top White House officials tell CNN that Air Force General Michael Hayden is the president's pick to be the next director of the CIA. Hayden is the country's highest-ranking military intelligence officer. He is also an aggressive defender of a controversial surveillance program. CNN's Sumi Das has more on the general.

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SUMI DAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As former director of the National Security Agency and current number two for National Intelligence Director John Negroponte, Air Force General Michael Hayden is no stranger to the CIA.

JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: General Hayden is a down-to-earth guy. He grew up in working class circumstances in Pittsburgh, went to Duquesne University, worked his way up in the military, has held positions at all levels.

DAS: Former interim CIA Director John McLaughlin has known Hayden for six years.

MCLAUGHLIN: One of the CIA's core missions, of course, is supporting our military forces. It's the core mission of any intelligence agency. And General Hayden has vast experience at doing that. And also as an NSA director, he has had plenty of contact with human intelligence as well.

DAS: But the very experience that qualifies Hayden to head the agency could create obstacles during any confirmation process. Hayden has faithfully defended the NSA's domestic wiretapping program conducted without warrants, calling it "successful."

GEN. MICHAEL HAYDEN, DEP. DIR. OF NATL. INTELLIGENCE: Had this program been in effect prior to 9/11, it is my professional judgment that we would have detected some of the 9/11 al Qaeda operatives in the United States, and we would have identified them as such.

DAS: At least one Democratic senator says he would vigorously question the general's endorsement of the intercepts during any confirmation hearings. Senate Intelligence Committee member Russ Feingold says he found Hayden's potential nomination troubling. Quote: "General Hayden directed and subsequently defended the president's illegal wiretapping program. Neither he, nor the rest of the administration, informed the congressional intelligence committees about this program as is required by law."

Also likely to resurface, past intelligence mistakes, such as untranslated intercepts pertaining to 9/11.

HAYDEN: In the hours just prior to the attacks, NSA did obtain two pieces of information suggesting that individuals with terrorist connections believed something significant would happen on September 11th.

DAS: The intercepts were translated September 12th. Hayden said timely translation of all of the information collected by the government was impossible. (on camera): Both parties may be motivated to avoid a drawn-out and contentious confirmation process. Many agree it's a dangerous time for the nation's Central Intelligence Agency to have no leader at its helm.

Sumi Das, CNN, Washington.

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WHITFIELD: Coming up, the story of a man trying to conquer the sport of kings, from a wheelchair.

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WHITFIELD: A sports tradition leaves the starting gate in just over an hour. The 132nd running of the Kentucky Derby takes place at Churchill Downs in Louisville. And everything is in place, the big hats, the mint juleps, and anticipation for the first jewel in horse racing's Triple Crown.

Our Will Selva is there with a look at a man who trained the race's early favorite.

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WILL SELVA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Every morning, Dan Hendricks checks the legs of his prize thoroughbreds. He feels for any problems and judges how much life is in them.

He does no such thing with his own. Hendricks works in a world surrounded by powerful legs making a living off their strength, but he lives in a world powered only by wheels.

DAN HENDRICKS, TRAINER: What I've tried to say from the beginning it's about the horse and a lot of people are going to make it about me and the chair and the situation.

SELVA: Hendricks is the trainer of one of the Kentucky Derby favorites, Brother Derek. The horse is the biggest thing in the trainer's life now, but the colt wasn't even in Hendricks' stable in July of 2004, when he went out to practice his other passion, dirt- bike racing.

HENDRICKS: Went out for a routine practice day on a maintained track and took a jump wrong, landed wrong, and as soon as I rolled over, I realized I had messed up, I had changed my life. And it wasn't going to be the same.

SELVA: Paralyzed from the waist down, Hendricks now lives his life sitting down. His especially-equipped wheelchair allows him to get around the dirt (ph) Santa Anita Park without much problem, navigating his own mind is still the toughest test.

HENDRICKS: I deal with it every day, the part of it -- the personal part of it, and the private part of it is not easy. At first when you get -- something like this happens, you don't want to do anything. You want to go away and hide. Training horses helping cope with dealing with my situation. Of course, it is. It makes me go out and do something every day. And I can't sit and think about what situation I'm in. I just have to go out and deal with it.

SELVA: Hendricks attended the Kentucky Derby just once, 20 years ago. But he knows this time, before everyone watches Brother Derek run, they will be looking at the guy in the wheelchair. He doesn't mind, because he also knows that those looks are as fleeting as having a horse capable of winning the biggest race in the sport.

HENDRICKS: I've already thought about it, and I wish this would have come -- this horse would have come to me before the accident. It would have been a little more enjoyable, and then when it's over, you know, I'm going to regret not doing it more than I have.

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SELVA: There's another twist to this story as well. Just 16 days after Hendricks' accident, his jockey, Alex Solis, who will be on Brother Derek today, broke his back in a race. So Brother Derek certainly is carrying the hopes of both of those men as well as many people here at the track.

Fred, back to you.

WHITFIELD: Wow, incredible, inspirational story. Thanks so much, Will.

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WHITFIELD: And this just in to CNN. A state prison in Sacramento, California is locked down right now because of an ongoing hostage situation. Officials say an inmate took a female staff member hostage this morning. They are now trying to negotiate with the inmate and we'll keep following the story and bring you details as we get them.

I'm Fredricka Whitfield, still much more ahead on CNN. Carol Lin is up next with more of CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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