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Colorectal Cancer Cases Rise; Utah Enacts Social Media Restrictions; Audie Cornish is Interviewed about her Podcast; Companies Rolling out Sleep-Friendly Foods. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired March 24, 2023 - 06:30   ET



JEAN CASAREZ, CNN ANCHOR: And several weeks later this happened.

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: I wonder what this does for, you know, parents around the country? What they're --

CASAREZ: It's precedent setting because I listened to the appellate arguments, and one of the justices asked the prosecutor, have you found any other case in this country that is like this one? And the prosecutor said, no, your honor, I have not. And the justice -- the appellate court knew the decision they had to make would be precedent setting. I could tell it as I watched those arguments. But they decided that this case was warranted.

And they said that normally this wouldn't be warranted, but there were just such a commingling of the facts that they had to believe that this should proceed to trial.

LEMON: Wow. Wow. Wow.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Hugely significant.


HARLOW: Jean, thank you.


LEMON: Every parent with kids -- underage kids at home should be watching.



LEMON: Yes. Thank you, Jean. Appreciate it.

Gwyneth Paltrow set to take the stand today in a Utah lawsuit alleging that she injured a man on a ski slope back in 2016. Retired Dr. Terry Sanderson is suing the actress for $300,000, accusing her of recklessly crashing into him, breaking his ribs, and causing a brain injury, before skiing away. Said that she skied away, right. The doctor who treated Sanderson testified earlier this week.



DR. WENDELL GIBBY, NEURORADIOLOGY SPECIALIST: After his accident, he deteriorated abruptly. And many of the activities that he used to do, he stopped doing.


LEMON: So, Gwyneth Paltrow is claiming that Sanderson was actually the one who crashed into her, and she filed a lawsuit over own against him, suing him for $1.

HARLOW: There's been an alarming increase in colorectal cancer among young adults. Scientists are racing to try to figure out why. Earlier this month, the American Cancer Society revealed about 20 percent of all new colorectal cancer diagnoses are in people younger than 55.

CNN health reporter Jacqueline Howard is with us.

I was just thinking about this and the age -- I think it's 50, right, when you're supposed to get colonoscopies. Why is this happening in younger people?

JACQUELINE HOWARD, CNN HEALTH REPORTER: That's right. And it remains a mystery, Poppy, as to why we're seeing more cases among younger people. But when you think about it, anecdotally, it's no longer rare to hear of someone in their 30s or 40s being diagnosed with advanced colorectal cancer. But yet scientists and oncologists I've talked to say that there's no genetic or hereditary increase in risk factors or cause. They say that some people they've diagnosed at a young age were fit and otherwise healthy.

So, why are we seeing this increase in cases among younger ages? And I asked Dr. William Dahut, he's the chief scientific officer at the American Cancer Society. Here's what he had to say.


DR. WILLIAM DAHUT, CHIEF SCIENTIFIC OFFICER, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: It's hard to know exactly what it is. Although, in general, based on sort of the time interval, which is not that long, it's probably something external to the patient.

Some broadly described, you know, change in the environment, you know, change in diet, change in behavioral aspects.


HOWARD: So we heard there, Poppy, the investigation is looking into changes in the environment, external factors, diet. And the American Cancer Society is calling for more research into what could be driving this increase, and they're calling for more research into new treatments as well, Poppy.

LEMON: Interesting. So, I'm wondering, Poppy and I were discussing as you were talking.

HARLOW: We were discussing.

LEMON: We were listening.

HARLOW: After we said you look gorgeous in that pink. Sorry, just had to say it.

HOWARD: Well, thank you.

HARLOW: But we were discussing this.

LEMON: Are they recommending earlier -- because I think -- people are getting colonoscopies earlier now. Is that going -- you think that's going to become the recommendation, instead of 50, that folks are going to get it earlier?

HOWARD: I definitely think so. And, you know, it's already recommended that if you have a family history or any other risk factors to start screening as early as 40, some people age 45. But I do think that as we see these more cases, that we will see a shift in what's recommended.

And as you see here, the proportion of cases among people younger than 55 has doubled in the past few years. From 1995, 11 percent, to 20 percent in 2019. So, this is a growing concern, Don and Poppy, and I'm sure we'll see shifts in recommendations as well.

HARLOW: That is really scary.



HARLOW: Go for screenings early.

Jacqueline Howard, thank you.


LEMON: Thanks, Jacqueline.

Utah, the first state to try limiting how children can use social media. What parents will now be required to do, straight ahead.

Also, this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nowell (ph) sets it up. Going for the (INAUDIBLE).


HARLOW: Did Kansas State pull off a crazy fake argument (ph) trick play, or was the team just lucky? You decide, ahead.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) number 18 from Nowell. None bigger. Kansas -




LEMON: Listen up here. Utah cracking down on how kids use -- can use social media. The governor has signed laws that ban anyone under the age of 18 from using social media unless their parents give them permission. Now the laws also require that parents have access to their children's posts, messages and responses, and they imposed a curfew on minors accounts from 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m. Interesting. So, supporters say that the measures will protect children from dangerous and addictive content. Social media companies are expected to file legal challenges, of course.

And, of course, this comes as lawmakers ripped into TikTok's CEO yesterday on Capitol Hill. The hearing focused on national security fears. But concerns about the apps impact on kids mental health also came up.

So, let's bring in now CNN correspondent the host of the podcasts "The Assignment with Audie Cornish," of course, Audie Cornish joins us.

Good morning.


LEMON: Utah is the first to enact this type of -- these types of law -- laws. The impact, you think, in the - in the -- of these restrictions?

CORNISH: I would think of it as part of a broader movement at first.


I think even on this program we were talking about an effort to ban TikTok off government devices, right? And now we're talking about a state passing something to apply to regular citizens. I would note that there's not clear what the enforcement mechanism is for that or the monitoring or policing. So, it's not clear what that means. So, it's really more about sending a message.

And this comes alongside several social media lawsuits filed by school systems in Seattle and California who say that social media companies are harming the health of teens. And this all dovetails into the kind of Republican-led interest in cracking down on China. And that is how TikTok ended up at the center of the public eye yesterday. LEMON: You said broader. You think it's going to mean -- meaning more and more to come. I mean there's a big focus on it now.

CORNISH: Definitely. Between the lawsuits, so there's lawsuits on the state and local level. The Supreme Court is hearing a case called Google v. Gonzales, which approaches Section 230, which is the part of the federal law that allows these companies to flourish without dealing with liability by their users content. And, on top of that, you have a legislative prong that's happening as well, right? You have these federal proposals in Congress. And, as you're pointing out, the Utah law.

So, it's an interesting moment after the pandemic when everybody was home, we were all using, you know, materials online and like our whole lives were online and now here we are kind of out of that phase. Quarantines are over. And people are really scrutinizing the impact that social media has had, especially on young people.

HARLOW: I think it's interesting because Utah did this, but then it's been considered in Arkansas , Texas, Ohio and Louisiana.


HARLOW: I had this - I want to ask you as a mom, because you're a mom. How old are your kids?

CORNISH: Yes, under five, both of them. So, just the (INAUDIBLE).

HARLOW: Yes. OK. So, we're right in the, like, they don't know what TikTok is yet, my kids.

CORNISH: Yes. But they know how to use a phone. And they know how to swipe and, yes.

HARLOW: Well, that's the thing. I walked into their room the other day when I had demanded they nap, and they were -- both had stolen these little Amazon iPad things and were on it.

LEMON: I wish someone would demand that I nap.

HARLOW: And I just had this flash of, like, oh, my gosh, when your teenagers, this is going to be a fight about you on social media, which I'm terrified about the impact.

So, can you just speak to this moment for parents and states intervening here to protect our children. I just think it's fascinating.

CORNISH: Well, I think, actually, for parents and legislators, they're having a very loud voice right now, right? They're voicing their concerns. And those concerns are being heard when you look at how lawmakers were speaking to the CEO of TikTok. They were very upset. You know, I'm currently doing some reporting where I'm speaking to an attorney who represents 1,700 clients that are parents whose kids were harmed or worse, they believe, by their use of social media.

HARLOW: Fascinating.

CORNISH: So that movement is kind of going forward. And the goal is to put pressure, I think, on the social media companies. Utah, there is already a law that says you're - there's already rules from the social media companies that say you're not supposed to be using this app under a certain age. Kids plug in any age they want because there's no age verification. So, these kinds of laws are designed to pressure the companies into putting in place provisions that they could have had all this time, such as age verification.

LEMON: Am I wrong in this? I was - we were just talking to Jean Casarez. I mean this - that's to the extreme about the parents, you know, knowing about the mental health of their kids. But is this a moment of accountability for parents?

HARLOW: I was just thinking - I was just thinking that.

CORNISH: For parents.

LEMON: For parents.

CORNISH: Yes, you know, I would think of it a little differently. You know, it's one thing to try and police bullying at your school where there's one bully in the hallway pushing you up against a locker. It's another thing where, through your phone, hundreds of bullies might be speaking to your kid at any given time.

HARLOW: It's terrible.

CORNISH: And an algorithm might be serving up other kinds of predatory figures, right, as people you may know, as recommend to watch this video. So, the incoming from it is pretty intense. And I don't think parents are as equipped as the social media companies to deal with it. It's an uneven battle right now. And I think what we're watching culturally is that battle start to even out.

HARLOW: I would just -

LEMON: It's -

HARLOW: Go ahead.

LEMON: No, it's just crazy how social media - like, we still have not caught up to social media with the laws and everything. I mean -

HARLOW: Our laws certainly haven't.


HARLOW: Audie, stay with us. I will just note that it's a real privacy concern here in terms of the tech side of this. Their view is this is unconstitutional to do things like this because of infringement of privacy and First Amendment rights. So, of course, they'll have a big stay.

Stay with us. We have a lot ahead because, as you've always said - LEMON: I've been saying, we don't have the tools to measure the economy after Covid.

HARLOW: It's confusing.

LEMON: It's confusing.

HARLOW: It's weird. Audie's all over it. We're going to talk about inflation, bank fears, uncertainty, all ahead.


And, incredible video showing a Border Patrol agent rescuing a child abandoned by a smuggler.


We're going to show you what happened. That's next.



HARLOW: All right, yikes, look at the market. Stock futures down sharply this morning over renewed concerns about the banks, particularly in Europe, where shares of Deutsche Bank is slayed (ph) more than 13 percent this morning. The recent banking turmoil continued battle on inflation leaving everyone from Wall Street, to main street, to this table, wondering what the heck is going on with this economy.

Audie Cornish is back with us, host of "The Assignment" podcast.

The newest episode, I love it. Yes, this economy is confusing.

LEMON: She agrees with me. How long have I been saying -- I hate to say I told you so.

HARLOW: Are you -

CORNISH: I can imagine. Also, for a news anchor, the narrative whiplash, right, because you're getting these stories and trying to describe what's going on.



LEMON: But, Audie, I have been saying, and I think about - look, I don't think it's anything novel, unique, right, I'm some brainiac for saying it, that at -- especially after Covid that the metrics or whatever that we - whatever metrics we used to measure the economy, it's all off and screwy and wacky and we really don't know how at this point.

[06:50:01] I think this is a fantastic thing to do.

CORNISH: Yes, I mean, I would -- I would think of it this way, and in the course of our reporting I was reading a speech from one of the Fed governors who said, look, usually history is a model, but there are real limitations to looking back for this particular situation. And the economists we spoke to said, yes, it's sort of interesting because the pandemic quarantines, they aren't your typical disaster, right? After a natural disaster, maybe the government comes in. There's a surge of money. It's sort of a finite recovery period. But with this, you had these quarantines that sort of shut down large parts of the economy.

LEMON: Right.

CORNISH: But, more importantly, it's shaped the economy in ways that we didn't anticipate. Some we overestimated. You can see that happening in Silicon Valley, which is why they're having layoffs. They thought that we need more of their services then we actually now do. Now they've got a right size or drop back. And, meanwhile, inflation is high because of our own spending, our own demand.

HARLOW: Can we - I want to listen to a little bit of your pod on this because the Fed didn't forecast that the bank collapse -- that we would see these bank collapses, right?


HARLOW: It took everyone largely by surprise. Can you play a little bit? Let's listen to a little bit and get your thoughts from the podcast on this Fed predictions.

CORNISH: Yes. Sure.


GARY HOOVER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE MURPHY INSTITUTE AT TULANE UNIVERSITY: I often tell my students, you know, think about trying to steer an ocean liner, right? If you wait until you get to the dock and then think about hitting the brakes, well, you're way too late. You should have been thinking about that two miles out and slowing down then. That's the - the lever that the Fed has in that they're not thinking about contemporaneous changes, they're thinking about, I'm going to make decisions today that are going to impact the economy in some point in the future. And I have to hold everything else constant.


CORNISH: It's a tricky note at the end, everything else constant, meaning, the Fed has this major lever to pull, interest rates. They can put interest rates kind of up so that everyone can slow down their spending, maybe slow down their hiring, which, by the way, businesses have not been doing, which is another befuddling piece of data. But they can also bring interest rates down, right, so that we all can spend a little bit more, which they don't want. The problem is the unknown unknowns, right? So, a bank collapse, some

other kind of jitters, the debt ceiling fight, these are the kinds of things that start to muddy the water as they try and forecast and make a decision about interest rates. And in the meantime, inflation inequality means that some of us are feeling these high prices more than other people.

LEMON: Right.

CORNISH: And it really squeezes people, especially in the middle class.

LEMON: Right on. Great. I can't wait -- I haven't listened, but I can't wait to -

CORNISH: Yes, listen to economists say they're wrong. It's - it's always nice to hear people admit they're wrong in public.

HARLOW: It's humbling for that - for everyone.

CORNISH: Yes, exactly.

HARLOW: But he was right.


HARLOW: he's been saying this for months.

CORNISH: You go it. This one's for Don.

HARLOW: Audie.

LEMON: And, listen, I'm not - not just that, but we all lived through, right, the pandemic, so we're all feeling like, wait, what is it? We don't even know. Even mental health wise.

HARLOW: Totally.

CORNISH: Totally.

LEMON: The full effects of the pandemic.

Thank you, Audie. Good to see you. Have a great weekend.

CORNISH: Thanks for having me.

LEMON: So, be sure to listen to the podcast. I will be listening to it on my drive home today. "The Assignment with Audie Cornish." Make sure you listen to it every Thursday, not just today, Thursday on CNN.

And we're following the news out of Syria that we have to tell you about. A U.S. contractor killed in a drone attack. The Pentagon retaliated with airstrikes. Stay close with us.

HARLOW: This just in, Donald Trump is escalating his rhetoric against Manhattan's district attorney, Alvin Bragg. What he says would possibly happen if he's indicted.



HARLOW: We could all use a little extra help, especially us, falling sleep at night.

LEMON: Oh, yes.

HARLOW: When counting sheep just isn't enough. How about something to eat? Food companies rolling out new sleep friendly snacks aimed at cornering that market.

Nathaniel Meyersohn is here to explain with some cereal that we're going to try in a little bit .

LEMON: Oh, I'm sorry.

HARLOW: I just think about turkey.


HARLOW: Tryptophan.

LEMON: Tryptophan.


LEMON: Tryptophan.

MEYERSOHN: So, this is a little bit more expensive than turkey or counting sheep, but it's a part of this growing trend of big food companies and even soft drink companies making foods that are supposed to -- that are designed to help you fall asleep.

So, this is a new cereal from Post. Now, Post is known for Fruity Pebbles, which is not a healthy cereal. But Sweet Dreams, blue -- it comes in blueberry. I tried it last night before bed. It was -- it had a lot of sugar, so it kind of defeated the purpose of - of -- so I ate too much and it defeated the purpose.

HARLOW: So, it didn't work, you're saying? Did not work?

MEYERSOHN: It did not work.


MEYERSOHN: It did not work.




MEYERSOHN: It's really good, though. It tastes really good.

HARLOW: Do you want some?

LEMON: No, I can't.

HARLOW: I'm going to -

LEMON: Remember, I do my fast. I can't eat until, like, noon or one o'clock.

HARLOW: Oh, my gosh. This is why he looks so good.

MEYERSOHN: Tell me how sugary it is.

HARLOW: Hold on. Yes, it's good, but this is what a mom looks at.

LEMON: Well, Poppy, you've got to read that in the prompter. I'm kidding, because you're chewing.

MEYERSOHN: It has lavender.

HARLOW: There's 16 grams of sugar.

MEYERSOHN: Right. Right. Exactly. It completely defeats the purpose. But there's lavender and chamomile -

LEMON: Yes, so I was going to say, what is in there that makes it -- supposed to make it sleep inducing?

MEYERSOHN: Lavender, chamomile. It has a little bit of zinc. It's supposed to naturally produce melatonin. We also see Pepsi, they have a new drink called Drift Well.


MEYERSOHN: That's also supposed to help you fall asleep.

LEMON: But our very own - Wolf has a - I think Wolf has like a cookie every night before bed or something like that. It helps him sleep.

HARLOW: Does he really?

LEMON: Yes, does anyone know that story?

HARLOW: Does he want you announcing that to the world?

LEMON: No, I think he's fine. I think he said it on the air. But, Wolf, I don't know, text me.

But I think Wolf has like a cookie or something, a chocolate chip cookie.

MEYERSOHN: Well, we'll have to get him Sweet Dreams.