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Roben Farzad is Interviewed about the Battle with Canada on Tariffs; Rubio Meets with Ukrainian Counterparts; Rep. Ryan Zinke (R- MT) is Interviewed about Tariffs. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired March 11, 2025 - 06:30 ET
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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: New overnight, Russia says it has downed hundreds of Ukrainian drones, some targeting Moscow. This was just hours before crucial talks started between the U.S. and Ukraine.
Good morning, everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. I want to thank you for waking up with us here on CNN THIS MORNING. Here's what's happening right now.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio meeting with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia. He wants to hear what they might be willing to concede to end the war with Russia. U.S. officials will be meeting with Russian counterparts later this week.
And Vice President J.D. Vance will meet with House Republicans in just a few hours. That's according to a source. The meeting comes ahead of an expected vote this afternoon on the House's GOP funding plan.
And in just a few hours we're going to see how the stock market responds to the dive that stocks took yesterday. The Nasdaq had its biggest single day loss since 2022.
Those market selloffs, just part of a broader economic picture worrying some economists. The on again, off again tariffs are also fueling uncertainty with one of America's largest trading partners. Some Canadian provinces firing back by pulling U.S. alcohol products from liquor stores. Canadian politicians also taking a stand against the threats of tariffs from the Trump administration.
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DAVID EBY, PREMIER OF BRITISH COLUMBIA: If the president is so interested in Canadian water, then we're going to help him out by letting him keep his watery beer.
The feeling that many British Columbians have now, when we look at American products, we don't even want to see them on the shelf anymore.
(END VIDEO CLIP) CORNISH: Joining me now to talk about this is Roben Farzad, host of "Full Disclosure" podcast on NPR One.
And we just heard the premier of British Columbia saying, Canadians don't even want to see U.S. products on the shelves. So, this is escalating. And I recall Warren Buffett saying that tariffs are kind of a war, you know, tool. Can you talk about what it means to see it escalate abroad?
ROBEN FARZAD, HOST OF NPR'S "FULL DISCLOSURE" AND BUSINESS JOURNALIST: You play funky new games, you win funky new prizes, I guess is the lesson here.
CORNISH: That's not how the quote goes. Yes. Yes.
FARZAD: No, but, you know, its -
CORNISH: Yes.
FARZAD: We're an NC-17 program.
But I got to tell you, that's the thing. Markets, if - if - put all this stuff aside, earnings, price to earnings ratio, inflation, the Fed, that's a headache unto itself. And then you throw in this kind of, you know, by choice, we try to slap our allies in these borders with massive tariffs. And you see the back and forth back and forth. The retrenchment. Every day Wall Street and mom and pop and small and medium businesses and liquor stores even have to calculate the repercussions.
You're going to sell stocks. You're not going to want to be in that uncertainty. I mean the world was far less uncertain before this tariffs regime.
CORNISH: Another Canadian premier, outspoken, saying that - I think it's Doug Ford, saying on Monday, this about the U.S.
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DOUG FORD, PREMIER OF ONTARIO: If necessary, if the United States escalates, I will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely. Believe me when I say, I do not want to do this. I feel terrible for the American people because it's not the American people who started this trade war. It's one person who's responsible. That's President Trump.
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CORNISH: I want to play one more quote for you because I did not expect to put these two things together. Senator John Kennedy, a Republican, from Louisiana.
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SEN. JOHN KENNEDY (R-LA): I think the real reason that the market had such an ugly day, and it was ugly, was - was concern about President Trump's tariffs. And I'll be glad to talk about that. But I wouldn't trade the American economy for any other economy in the world right now.
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CORNISH: Can you give me the reaction to talking about Trump specifically, right? From every direction people are saying, it's not like broader risks, other things. It's like one person.
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FARZAD: You have to show fealty here in the United States. I mean, you have very - back in the day, you have old Chamber of Commerce Republicans who are, in private, kind of voicing concerns about this. But overwhelmingly my sources in the GOP on The Hill are saying that this is medicine that the U.S. economy has to take to inoculate itself from foreign raids, the likes of which Mexico - and, you know, Trump was talking about Japan in the 1980s this way. So, even the friendliest, I mean, you talk about taking for granted the fact that we have electricity fungible across the border. You do not have to irritate that. But the Republicans, and especially the White House, are saying, we have to set these things into place to make a level playing field for the new global trade order. And the markets and their political capital can take the hit for the time being. He's still above water.
CORNISH: Roben Farzad, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
FARZAD: My pleasure. Thank you, Audie.
CORNISH: Back to Secretary of State Marco Rubio's talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia. That meeting got underway about an hour ago.
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MARCO RUBIO, SECRETARY OF STATE: Right now we're really in listening mode. We may have suggestions if they ask, but we really want to sort of ascertain where they stand on this and what they're willing to do in order to achieve peace. It may be incompatible with what the Russians are willing to do. That's what we need to find out.
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CORNISH: Rubio also says this meeting will be key to ending the U.S. pause on military aid to Ukraine. I got the group chat back.
Ashley, from the Bush era, Bush administration, when people talked about democracy being in of itself a good in which the U.S. had to pursue, promote, sometimes using military support, can you talk to me about what it is you see as trying to be done here in terms of bringing Russia to the table?
ASHLEY DAVIS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL, PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Yes. Well, first of all, and you have to remember, under Bush, he always made a very big effort to get along with Putin as well. Remember, he looked in - through his eyes at his soul. I don't know if you guys remember that.
CORNISH: Yes, you're taking it back.
DAVIS: Yes, yes, yes, I'm showing how old I am, right?
CORNISH: No, no, no, it's a good quote.
DAVIS: But I do think that there has to be some sort of engagement. Listen, I'm a hawk. However, and I support the Ukrainian war and what we did. However, there needs to become an end to this conflict in some way, and I think -
CORNISH: But can I ask - and I don't mean to interrupt.
DAVIS: Yes.
CORNISH: But there is something I think you're uniquely positioned to talk about. The concern is, if you don't stop Russia in a meaningful way and make them feel as though, oh, there's a boundary here, they will be back. That is the argument from Ukraine. That is the argument from Baltic states. That is the argument from NATO.
DAVIS: And the - and the same thing with China. And I agree with that 100 percent.
I think what Trump's trying to do is make sure that other countries are stepping up as well. The U.S. is always the one that comes in as the biggest economy and the best military in the world. However, I think that there were several frustrations, from my understand, that Biden had, as well as President Trump has in regards to how Zelenskyy was selling - using our money, using our - using our military things.
CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: So, I think that there's a big difference. But we have to come to some conclusion.
CHUCK ROCHA, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO BERNIE SANDERS' 2016 AND 2020 CAMPAIGN: I was thinking about this as you were talking. All Donald Trump cares about is ending the war. He wants to be able to say at all costs -
CORNISH: That's not a bad aim, Chuck.
ROCHA: I know that. And I love that. But he cares at all costs. No matter what it costs the Ukrainian people, no matter what it looks like if Russia can beat their chest and say, now that we're a global leader, world, whatever, he just wants to be able to - listen to a political consultant. He just wants to be able to look in the camera and say, I fixed this. I told you I can. Just like I'll fix that stock market if you give me a couple of years.
CORNISH: A couple of years.
Jackie, I want to ask you, I don't know what your reporters are hearing from lawmakers or even out of the White House about, like, how do you talk about this? You know, is - are sanctions done? Is funding over for Ukraine? Like, where's the action behind Trump's rhetoric?
JACKIE KUCINICH, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think, in the Trump era, you get very used to lawmakers who don't want to talk about it, saying, you know, I haven't seen that.
CORNISH: Fair. Fair.
KUCINICH: But - but I do think, I mean, there is still, among some Republicans, support for Ukraine. And you saw that after that disastrous White House meeting, the - kind of the cringe from that side. But I think there's a reason that Marco rubio had so many votes in the Senate. And I think a lot of them are putting -
CORNISH: Yes, they did trust him.
KUCINICH: I think - I think there's still a lot of trust in the fact that he is, you know, has been empowered as far as we know.
CORNISH: So, in a way, are people looking at Marco Rubio's performance in the State Department, or is it just driven by Trump, and he's kind of a side person to that?
DAVIS: Yes, I mean, listen, this is still run by the president, and it always will be. The personality is just too big. But I do think that - that Senator Rubio, now Secretary Rubio, is a good person and good representative of our country.
CORNISH: Yes, because Trump's been through a lot of state - you know, secretaries of state, right?
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DAVIS: Absolutely.
CORNISH: When you think back to the first term.
DAVIS: Can I hit on something real quick that I've heard over and over again from this administration, off the record, and that this is one move in a chess game of a - of a bigger chess - this is one move in a bigger chess game, there's my quote.
CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: Because - and the end game is China. Having Putin more of our ally helps us at the end of the day fight China. And so, I'm not saying right or wrong. I do understand that that's what Bush did. And I think that there is a bigger play here.
ROCHA: Poor Rubio. I heard all I needed to hear at the - at the speech at the joint session is when he said, look, we love our Marco, but if anything goes wrong, it's his fault.
CORNISH: Oh, OK.
ROCHA: Remember that. CORNISH: And in the meantime, playing chess with Putin, I don't know, like a question mark there. And I think that's what a lot of European allies are asking.
DAVIS: And you bring your enemies close. I don't know, I mean, we'll see how this plays out.
CORNISH: Yes. OK, you guys stay with me. We have more to discuss.
Coming up after the break, concerns mounting that the U.S. might be on the brink of a recession. We're going to talk to a Republican congressman, Ryan Zinke, live about that and more.
Plus, what Elon Musk says about juggling his multiple businesses with everything that he's doing in D.C.
And more from the group chat after this.
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CORNISH: OK, right now we're all waiting to see how the markets respond to stocks taking a nosedive yesterday. Here's what President Trump had to say about the economy over the weekend.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What I have to do is build a strong country. You can't really watch the stock market. If you look at China, they have a 100 year perspective. We have a quarter. We go by quarters.
MARIA BARTIROMO, FOX NEWS HOST: That's true.
TRUMP: And you can't go by that. You have to do what's right.
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CORNISH: Joining me now to discuss, Montana's Republican Congressman Ryan Zinke.
Welcome to the program. Good morning.
REP. RYAN ZINKE (R-MT): Great to be with you.
CORNISH: OK, can your constituents afford to do the long - the long game or quarter by quarter? Are they going to start feeling this?
ZINKE: Well, quarter by quarter is not really a great way to run a railroad. And what Trump is saying is, look, we have some fundamental changes that we need to be done in our economy. We can't be reliant on foreign entities for energy. We can't be reliant on foreign entities for critical minerals. And the trade between Canada and the United States is important, although we have to make sure that trade is a fair trade. CORNISH: Yes.
ZINKE: What we're seeing in the market is some uncertainty on tariffs. And the market likes, you know, steady as they go.
CORNISH: Me too.
ZINKE: No - no changes. And President Trump enjoys the tariffs because of their personal power to negotiate. And - and -
CORNISH: Yes, meaning he is in control of them.
ZINKE: Absolutely, 100 percent he's in control of them.
CORNISH: Yes. And we were talking off the break about - I mean my thesis is that if you think tariffs are a negotiating tool, when you negotiate with a country, as they claim about drug - the drug war, you want uncertainty. You want the other people on the other side of the table to not be sure what you're going to do. The collateral damage of this right now, arguably, are voters' wallets.
ZINKE: Well, in short term, you're looking at the - the tariffs, for instance, on Mexico. There wouldn't be 10,000 troops patrolling our southern border had there not been tariffs. It wasn't policy. It took a president.
Similarly on the northern border, which I think will work out. You know, Canadas been a long friend. We'll work it out with -
CORNISH: Yes, I should say, Montana exported $869 million in goods - we looked that up - to Canada in 2024.
ZINKE: Number one, by the way, in the country, 86 percent, and mostly it's - it's - it's petroleum stock (ph).
CORNISH: Yes. That's 37 percent of your states total good exports. Did you feel like you were in an unfair exchange with Canada? Like, is this working for you?
ZINKE: Well, Canada and the United States has had a long relationship.
CORNISH: Yes.
ZINKE: Even the first special forces service, the Green Berets -
CORNISH: But now it feels hostile. I don't know if you've seen how many maple leaf flags are going up. It's actually sort of driven a nationalist fervor in Canada against the U.S.
ZINKE: Yes, we - we see that. But - but also I think everyone understands that how important Canada and the U.S. is. But they've got to - they've got to tighten up on their drugs coming across the - the northern border.
Ten times - ten times more people on the terrorist watch list come from the northern border than they do in the southern border. So, let's seal the border off, make sure that we work together, and I think the tariffs will relax.
CORNISH: I want to talk a little bit more about the sort of leading the charge, I think. The president has been talking about the CR, sort of how the House is going to govern its spending next. That's the continuing resolution. And he was talking about your fellow congressman, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who has been pretty consistent in general about -
ZINKE: Dr. No.
CORNISH: Yes. Well, Dr. No, but someone concerned about budgets. He is talking about him being primaried. But I get the sense he might not be the only one who will vote no against this. What's your sense? Will other Republicans divert, and will you be able to bring over any Democrats?
ZINKE: Well, first of all, a continuing resolution. What it is, is it continues the same bill that was put in place, signed by President Biden, negotiated by President -
CORNISH: It's basically everyone holding pattern until we figure out our spending.
ZINKE: Yes, same thing.
CORNISH: Yes.
ZINKE: But there's some anomalies. They call them anomalies. There are some additions on it. Obviously, defense needed some flexibility because when you put a CR, no new programs and you can't be playing around -
CORNISH: But you're arguing me. You've got to argue some -
ZINKE: Right. Right. Well, no, but there are - there are some changes in it.
CORNISH: Some Democrats, right? Like, what are - do you think there's going to be some people who cross over in either direction?
ZINKE: I think there are. I think there are. I think we'll get through it. There are some good things in it. There's some increase in military pay, which is - which is needed. Overall spending is about the same. Defense goes up slightly.
CORNISH: Yes.
ZINKE: Domestic spending goes down slightly. But more or less it's the same picture extended.
CORNISH: Something that can be overcome.
ZINKE: Yes. But - but this is not the right way to run a railroad or a country.
[06:50:02] Typically, you do what's called appropriations. And on the House side we got all 12 appropriations through. That's the way -
CORNISH: Literally the way Congress says this is how you should spend, although we're in an era where -
ZINKE: Absolutely. It's in the Constitution.
CORNISH: But when you think about right now the way the Trump administration is, for instance, halting funding for various things, right? What's the point of Congress if the purse strings are actually held by IT in the White House?
ZINKE: Well, when you look at the abuse. I mean we can - you and I can debate.
CORNISH: No, there's abuse.
ZINKE: Absolutely.
CORNISH: But I'm just saying, like, we're talking about your power. Are you guys giving away your power?
ZINKE: No, I don't think so. I think we're in the exposing phase. The amount of fraud was so great. And - well, I've been a former secretary and in Congress.
CORNISH: Yes, that's why I asked.
ZINKE: I've asked the questions. I couldn't read the files. You know, I could - I could look at - I know that there's something that's not right inside the files, but I couldn't read the lines. Mr. Musk and his people were able, which are - which are employees of the U.S. government. They are - they have Treasury.
CORNISH: Yes.
ZINKE: They've been the whole thing. They were able to go through and look at individual files and find the abuse. And that's the problem is the scale of fraud, waste and abuse that's -
CORNISH: So, you think that's why, Congressmen, other lawmakers are OK with this. Republican lawmakers are like, sure. And halt what you want, impound what you want, as long as you find abuse.
ZINKE: Well, there's - I think there's branches of government. Now, we have our responsibility too. We're not a rubber stamp. So, we - we look at it. But we were unable, the Congress was, and - and the secretary previous to this, was unable to disclose how much fraud, waste and abuse. There might be a trillion with a "t" of fraud, waste -
CORNISH: You said might, might.
ZINKE: Right. But now we're in the exposing phase, right?
CORNISH: OK.
ZINKE: Let's expose it. Then you've got to confirm it. And you've got to confirm that there actually is fraud. When you say that person has a Social Security Number who is 130 years old, is he getting a check?
CORNISH: And if there is not, how much damage can be done in the meantime?
ZINKE: Well, I think it's good to look. But again, you have to confirm. And once you confirm, then you can take action in the Congress on the budget. But I don't think we should take action over - over exposure without - without - without looking at confirmation and confirming that there actually is a savings.
CORNISH: Well, looking forward to the outcome of this vote today. Thank you so much for coming in, having some breakfast with us.
ZINKE: Great. It's going to be an exciting day.
CORNISH: Congressman Zinke. Yes, exactly.
It's now 51 minutes past the hour. I want to give you a morning roundup. Some of the stories you need to get your day going.
This image just in to CNN. It's believed to be the last time the University of Pittsburgh student was seen with her friends before she vanished in the Dominican Republic. So, she was actually leaving a lobby - a hotel lobby, heading towards the beach. Police, at this point, they're using dogs and drones to help search for the 20 year old who disappeared last Thursday.
Former Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte detained for alleged crimes against humanity after the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant. The ICC is investigating him for a brutal anti-drug crackdown during his time in office that killed thousands of people.
And Utah plans to ban fluoride in public drinking water. The Associated Press reports the governor says he is going to sign legislation that would prevent cities from deciding whether to add fluoride to the water system. Dentists and health organizations are against the move.
And Elon Musk speaking out about juggling his new job in the White House along with his old jobs at his companies.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you running your other businesses?
ELON MUSK, SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: With great difficulty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You going to go another year?
MUSK: Yes, I think so.
(END VIDEO CLIP) CORNISH: Elon Musk's companies have had some difficulties. On Monday, X, for example, crashed for a period of time because of what he said was a cyberattack. And Tesla's stock plunged amid protests at the automakers' dealerships.
Earlier this morning, President Trump claimed people were, quote, "illegally and collusively boycotting Tesla. Anyone here have a Tesla? Just - I don't just want to expose any biases.
ROCHA: No, a monster truck.
DAVIS: No.
CORNISH: No, a monster truck. OK, well, I'm going to want to see a picture of that.
ROCHA: All right.
CORNISH: I want to talk about one more thing, the Trump administration's attempt to deport a Palestinian activist at Columbia University. It's actually being blocked this morning by a federal judge. Mahmoud Khalil was arrested Saturday night by ICE agents for helping to lead Columbia's student protest movement in support of Palestinians in Gaza. According to his attorney, authorities said they were acting on a State Department order to revoke his green card. There's a court hearing on Wednesday.
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CROWD: Let him go! Let him go! Let him go! Let him go!
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CORNISH: So, hundreds of protesters, they are marching through lower Manhattan demanding authorities immediately release him. But President Trump appears determined to keep this campaign promise.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (May 11, 2024): When I'm president, we will not allow our colleges to be taken over by violent radicals.
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And if you come here from another country and try to bring jihadism or anti-Americanism or anti-Semitism to our campuses, we will immediately deport you. You'll be out of that school.
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CORNISH: All right, so we want to talk about this as a potential free speech issue. What do you guys expect from this hearing? I don't know, Jackie, if your team's reporting on it.
KUCINICH: So, I think, just looking at this from - stepping back and - CORNISH: Yes.
KUCINICH: This is a - this is something that he did talk about on the campaign trail. This was a promise.
CORNISH: Yes, in the heat of the activism of that moment in particular.
KUCINICH: Yes. And I think this is going to be a test case for them. If they can do - if they can - if they can deport this individual, it could definitely have a chilling effect on free speech on college campuses and, frankly, elsewhere.
CORNISH: Yes, I want to bring in to this side of the table because people come to this country, in fact, fleeing regimes where there is not free speech. So, I do wonder about this, having your green card revoked while you're here for exercising this right.
Ashley, you look like you're not sure.
DAVIS: No, no, no, I'm - I'm actually supportive of this. I think the - the rhetoric and the anti-Semitic message that he has is not good. And we have the ability to revoke the green card. I understand the free speech issue.
CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: But -
CORNISH: Because it's an executive order. Like, free speech is a thing, I thought, with the Trump administration.
DAVIS: I agree. I just think that this is of - I think that - I'm like 100 percent comfortable with this, to be honest.
CORNISH: Well -
ROCHA: I think that we have a - I think we have a problem of the test case because I think there's - this individual thing to its side, I don't put it to the side, like it's not important. But what bothered me about it is that the repercussions of other folks coming here who lawfully have a green card, who may or may not, somebody could say they did something that they didn't do and all of a sudden it gets taken away from them.
CORNISH: Yes. Yes.
ROCHA: As somebody who works heavily in the immigrant community, both my business partners at my firm are immigrants, went through the process, DACA recipients, TPS recipients. There's a lot of anxiety out there of folks who are playing by the rules every day, and that this could happen to them.
CORNISH: Yes, it will be interesting to see. There's lots of concerns about free speech going forward because, again, if you haven't committed a crime, what is allowed? That's why this test case is important.
I want you guys to stay with me for just a moment because we're going to be talking about what we're keeping an eye on. And I'd like to turn to this because, you know, I don't have my arms around everything that's happening, and you guys do.
So, Jackie, let me start with you. What's something that you're watching this week that the rest of us should be?
KUCINICH: So, the CDC directors' confirmation hearing, Dave Weldon, is this week. Given everything that's going on in the health sphere, you would imagine -
CORNISH: You just talked about the pandemic.
KUCINICH: Yes. Exactly.
CORNISH: I can't think of an institution more damaged in the legacy of the pandemic than the CDC.
KUCINICH: And you have to imagine he's going to get some pretty pointed questions from the likes of Bill Cassidy, given, you know, some of the other things that are going on with HHS and NIH. Should be a hearing to watch on Thursday.
CORNISH: Just going to ask one more question. Where is he on some of these issues? Vaccines? Public health? Do you have a sense of his point of view?
KUCINICH: So, he is a - so, he has been - he has - in terms of Covid, he's had some skepticism there. But I haven't delved into his entire catalog, so I will be watching the hearing.
CORNISH: No, that's why we're going to listen to the hearing. That's why want to listen to the hearing.
Chuck, what about you? What are you keeping an eye on?
ROCHA: In the next hour I'm looking at the stock market futures. In the next 24 hours I'm looking at, does the Congress actually shut down this government by Friday? And in the next week or two, I just noticed that AOC is going to join Bernie Sanders out on his road show going around the country. Keep your eye on that.
DAVIS: Oh.
CORNISH: And we were talking about that because that, quote/unquote, "road show," Senator Sanders has been going around the country and drawing pretty large crowds, talking about, I think, speaking out against the Trump administration and oligarchs, right?
ROCHA: I think you're going to see more people join that, what I call jolly parade around the country, exposing Trump and other things.
CORNISH: OK.
Ashley, what about you?
DAVIS: That's actually a good combo.
CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: Mine is this new app that - which was an old app that was announced yesterday. The former CBP One app that people were -
CORNISH: Oh, yes.
DAVIS: A million people came over in regards to when they were seeking asylum and here temporarily. The Trump administration did the CBP Home app yesterday, which means that you can lawfully leave the country now through this app. If you're here illegally -
CORNISH: Yes. So, the app is supposed to be like a digital application for asylum. And they're like, tap, tap, tap. Now it's a -
DAVIS: To go home.
CORNISH: I can tell you if I'm going home through this app instead.
DAVIS: And so we'll - I just want to see if it actually works. How many people take advantage of it. Because what they're saying is, go, use this and go back and have no consequences. But if you stay, there will be consequences.
CORNISH: Oh, underscore that, no consequences if you do that?
DAVIS: If you use it, yes.
CORNISH: Interesting.
DAVIS: That was the big -
CORNISH: Interesting.
DAVIS: So, is this - do ten people use this app? I mean this is more of a six month -
CORNISH: Yes. But even the concept of self-deportation often was used in air quotes or scare quotes, depending on your politics, about whether that was something people would do or, yes.
DAVIS: Exactly.
ROCHA: I can't get pizza to show up at my house one time with my apps. I don't know how this is actually going to work.
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CORNISH: Yes. OK, we are - we're in the app economy, all right. Yet another legacy of the pandemic, right, another legacy, us all doing everything on our phones.
ROCHA: I'm an old man. I'm an old man. DAVIS: So, here's my thing, markets up, no shutdown. I don't know about AOC and Sanders is good.
ROCHA: We will see. We will see. Give it time.
CORNISH: I will never bet on markets. Ashley, you are braver than me. You are braver than me.
DAVIS: Oh, I'll get blown up.
CORNISH: I'll just be checking my 401(k), like, OK.
I want to thank you guys for waking up with me for this chat. We talked a lot today. We talked about a lot of things.
I'm Audie Cornish. I want you to stay with us because "CNN NEWS CENTRAL" starts right now.
