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John B. King Jr. is Interviewed about the Education Department; RFK Jr. Wants to Eliminate FDA's Food Additive Program; Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) is Interviewed about Ukraine and the Funding Bill. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired March 12, 2025 - 06:30   ET

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We had the greatest economy in history. This economy, in my opinion, is going to blow it away.

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: Big promises from President Trump. But are the American people on board?

Good morning, everyone. It's Audie - I'm Audie Cornish. And it's 6:30 here on the East Coast. I want to thank you for joining me this morning. And here's what's happening right now.

Americans - many Americans giving a thumbs down to President Trump's handling of the economy. In a CNN poll out just this morning, 56 percent say they disapprove of how he's handling it. That negative review is higher than at any point during his first four years in office.

Today, U.S. and Mexican trade officials will meet to discuss Trump's new tariffs on aluminum and steel. Overnight, President Trump's 25 percent tariff on those particular imports from all nations actually went into effect. And that's threatening the price hikes for Americans.

And the dismantling of the Department of Education underway this morning. Hundreds of workers got layoff notices last night, with nearly half of the workforce expected to get the axe. President Trump calling for the elimination of the Education Department altogether.

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CROWD (chanting): Save our schools! Save our schools! Save our schools! Save our schools!

(END VIDEO CLIP) CORNISH: That's not sitting too well with many parents and teachers, but the Trump administration is moving quickly. The doors at the department headquarters in D.C. were locked yesterday.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's another day that a student fails a big exam because they are being denied proper accommodations for their learning disorder. These students and their families are waiting and hoping for justice and assistance that may never come.

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CORNISH: Just over 4,000 people work at the department, not for long, according to Education Secretary Linda McMahon.

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LINDA MCMAHON, EDUCATION SECRETARY: What we did today was to take the first step of eliminating what I think is bureaucratic bloat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this the first step on the road to a total shutdown?

MCMAHON: Yes.

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CORNISH: I want to bring in John B. King Jr. He's the former education secretary under President Obama.

Now, John, I want to talk to you about this because right now I think something like 10 percent of federal dollars go to public schools. So, how big a difference does this actually make in the long run since states control education?

JOHN B. KING JR. CHANCELLOR OF THE STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK (SUNY): States certainly do control education. But the federal role is critical. The federal government provides funding for schools that serve very low-income students. Without that funding, we can expect teacher layoffs, class sizes to grow. The federal government provides funding that supports students with disabilities, ensures that they get the services they need in order to succeed in school. Without the Education Department, that funding may not be there for students. And the federal government plays a crucial role through the federal Pell Grant program that makes higher education possible for low-income Americans, and through the student loan program that helps low and middle income Americans access the American dream through pursuing an undergraduate or graduate degree.

So, if you take away those functions, you are harming students. The Education Department also is responsible for civil rights protections, making sure that schools serve all of their students. And the history of -

CORNISH: John, I want to interrupt for a second because I think that for a long time - I also heard from liberals who said, look, the - the department is too interested in standardized tests, for example. The department is not getting the equity outcomes in terms of student achievement that it sets forth as a standard for states.

Do you think it was vulnerable to this moment that conservatives have long called for?

KING: There are certainly things that the department could do better. And at this moment we should have national leadership around the fact that our students are behind where they were before Covid. We still haven't fully recovered from that period. And the federal government should be leading on that. We should be doing research on what are the best interventions to help students succeed. But those are exactly the kinds of activities that the Trump administration is planning to eliminate.

CORNISH: I want to ask you about who will be affected by this. You mentioned special programs for like special needs, et cetera. Are there constituents of parents who are going to be affected, who are going to feel that or feel the unintended consequences of this?

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KING: Sure. Look, there are 26 million students who are in schools that are served by the Title One program, the program for low-income students. Those schools, without these funds, would have to eliminate advanced placement classes for students. Extracurricular activities. That is something folks are going to feel right away.

The department also protects civil rights. So that means that if your child isn't getting the services they're entitled to, you're an English learner and your child - your child isn't getting the support to learn English, you won't have someone to - to take that complaint to. The department received over 20,000 complaints around civil rights issues last year, and they're investigating them. Without the department, who will do that work?

CORNISH: John B. King Jr., I want to thank you so much for your time, former Education Secretary.

I want to turn back to the group chat because, as I mentioned, Kristen, this is one of those things like forever people have been like, get rid of the Education Department on the right.

Elliot, did you hear anything there that struck you?

ELLIOT WILLIAMS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: The word "disabilities." The idea of these, what are called, Section 504 plans, individualized educational plans, that affect millions of people across -

CORNISH: IEP.

WILLIAMS: IEPs.

CORNISH: Anybody who knows a parent who has a kid with special needs, you will know the phrase IEP. WILLIAMS: And across ideology people - this touches lots of families and that program will be affected by the loss of the Department of Education, full stop.

CORNISH: OK. I want to bring in some other topics here because there's a lot more to talk about. But what caught my eye, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. saying that he's going to go after artificial dyes in food. That's according to "The New York Times." He's also trying to close a loophole that allows manufacturers to put new chemicals in food without the oversight of the Food and Drug Administration. These are just some of the latest initiatives he's pursued as head of HHS as he pushes for what he sees as a healthier America.

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ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR., HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY: Ten percent of food stamps, which are federally funded, taxpayer funded program, is going - is going to the poorest neighborhoods, and they're the ones with the worst chronic disease burden. And we are literally poisoning those neighborhoods by paying for 10 percent of their food stamps going to sugary drinks.

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CORNISH: Group chat is back.

Sabrina, I want to start with you because I feel like Michelle Obama must be cheering somewhere, maybe. No, she's at South by Southwest. Shout out to the former first lady.

But it feels like this conversation should feel familiar to those on the left.

SABRINA RODRIGUEZ, NATIONAL POLITICS REPORTER, "THE WASHINGTON POST": One hundred percent. I mean this is actually an area where RFK Jr. can build a little bit of consensus. I think there's going to be, of course, strong pushback from the companies because this is a huge shift for them. But I think also for folks and companies who are looking for some type of oversight, some type of like regulatory shift nationwide, it would be helpful because we're seeing some states moving that direction.

CORNISH: Yes.

RODRIGUEZ: We've already seen Virginia have debates about this, California have debates about this.

CORNISH: Yes.

KRISTEN SOLTIS ANDERSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think - I think the shift in the politics on the right are so interesting -

CORNISH: Yes.

ANDERSON: Because these policies are ones that actually - like California was at the forefront. The idea that there's now a California to Republican administration policy pipeline is really interesting,

CORNISH: There it is.

ANDERSON: And it has a lot to do with the new voters that somebody like an RFK was able to bring to Trump. It may not have been a massive, massive coalition, but the fact is, there are some voters, they're not as interested in a lot of the traditional political battles, but they're really worried about what's in their kids' foods. Those are voters that Trump was able to win by courting RFK and his coalition.

WILLIAMS: Can I - can I be cynical?

CORNISH: Go ahead.

WILLIAMS: Can I - can I - can I be cynical from a moment?

CORNISH: You?

WILLIAMS: Me?

CORNISH: What?

WILLIAMS: No, I - oh, I - how dare you.

But we can all agree, right, left, people don't want red dye in their food or any of the other stuff. Food companies donate to across the political spectrum. And there is money in the political system that comes from these folks. There will be pressure to not implement any number of these changes.

When - when - I don't' want to single anybody out, but PepsiCo has an interest in producing food at a certain cost and so on. People buy it and enjoy it.

CORNISH: Yes.

WILLIAMS: And I just have a hard time believing that we can just wave a wand and get rid of dyes and there won't be political impact in Congress.

RODRIGUEZ: I will add my own cynicism here.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

CORNISH: Guys.

WILLIAMS: Bring it.

RODRIGUEZ: I mean, this is happening in the backdrop - in the backdrop right now there is still the measles outbreak.

CORNISH: Right. RODRIGUEZ: And this is something that can build more consensus. This is something, for example, we've seen Senator Cory Booker talk at length about.

CORNISH: It's easier to talk about, right? Yes.

RODRIGUEZ: Yes. Yes. Who's going to come and say that they absolutely don't want artificial dyes when we've seen that there are certain links with certain diseases and certain disorders and such.

CORNISH: Yes. It's an easier conversation to have with the voter Kristen is referring to the make America healthy again, especially female very online health conscious voter, rather than saying, oh, also measles seems bad, here's what I'm not going to do about it.

I want you guys to stay with me because still ahead on CNN THIS MORNING, we want to talk about Ukraine because they're agreeing to take the first steps towards a truce.

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Will Russia agree? We actually have Congressman Seth Moulton here to talk about that.

And the NTSB making some urgent safety recommendations after that deadly collision over the Potomac.

And more from the group chat after this.

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MARCO RUBIO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The president's objective here is, number one, above everything else, he wants the war to end. And I think today Ukraine has taken a concrete step in that regard. We hope the Russians will reciprocate.

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: Secretary of State Marco Rubio announcing that Ukraine has agreed to a proposal of a 30 day ceasefire with Russia. Under this agreement, the U.S. is also resuming intelligence sharing and military aid for Ukraine. And now Ukraine says it's up to Russia to show that they're serious about peace.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): And today, in the conversation, there was a proposal from the American side to take the first step immediately and try to establish a complete ceasefire for 30 days, not only with regard to missiles, drones and bombs, not only in the Black Sea, but also along the entire front line. Ukraine accepts this proposal. We consider it positive. We are ready to take such a step, and the United States of America must convince Russia to do so.

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CORNISH: New this morning, a Kremlin spokesperson refusing to comment on the ceasefire proposal, saying that they expect a briefing from the U.S. government. But overnight, Russian missile and drone attacks killed 14 people across Ukraine officials there reported.

We're going to discuss that and more now with Democratic Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts. He serves on the House Armed Services Committee. He's also a member of the Congressional Ukrainian Caucus.

Welcome and good morning to you, Congressman.

REP. SETH MOULTON (D-MA): Good morning. Great to be here.

CORNISH: However the path was to get here, Trump did what he promised and got everyone to the table. Now that this conversation -

MOULTON: I mean, through extortion. I mean it's -

CORNISH: Say more.

MOULTON: I mean, look, you don't extort your allies. I mean imagine if, in World War II, whenever we had a disagreement with the Brits, we just cut off intelligence sharing. Imagine if President Roosevelt had started using Hitler's talking points. That's what Trump has done over the last several weeks, literally parroting what the Kremlin is saying.

The bottom line is, you don't sell out your allies, and we cannot forget that that's how Trump got us to this point. It's put Ukraine in a much weaker position.

And although we can all agree that we'd like to see this war end, and I would like to see peace eventually in Ukraine, it's clear that the president's number one priority is stopping the war. It's not what it should be, which is Ukraine winning. That is the message that we need to send to the rest of the world.

CORNISH: Since you brought up allies and message to the rest of the world, the message that Europe has received is, we need to arm ourselves, that we can't rely on the U.S. in a number of areas. And I'm wondering about maybe the ramifications for that here in the U.S. itself. I mean, most of the arms contracts around the world come from U.S. companies.

MOULTON: And U.S. companies are really good at this. And that's why people - that's why countries all around the globe, their troops, they want American arms.

I'm already hearing from U.S. defense contractors that they're worried all this business is going to go to Europe. And so yet, this is yet another way that Trump is hurting the U.S. economy.

CORNISH: We've got new polling out, actually, on the economy. Basically, we're finding that the most important issue to voters is the economy. Forty-two percent say that.

Senator Bernie Sanders says he's also seeing growing anger about this. I want you to take a listen.

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT): People are angry. They're confused. They see the richest guy in the world going around saying, hey, we're going to decimate the Veterans Administration, we're going to decimate Social Security, we're going to be laying off people here and there and everywhere, and people are saying, what is going on?

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CORNISH: Can you give me your response to that? Because people are not just saying, what is going on? They're also saying, what are Democrats doing about it? How do you hear this discussion?

MOULTON: First of all, the first thing that popped out to me was the VA, because I'm a veteran who relies on the VA for my health care. And - and I already know that the waits are too long, that sometimes it takes forever to get an appointment. All of that is going to get worse. We're going to go back to the days of veterans dying on waiting lists just trying to get seen by the VA. So, this has real impacts on people's lives, including people that Republicans claim to care about.

And yes, this is why Republicans, right now, are refusing to even hold town halls. I have a town hall next Saturday. Republicans are refusing to hold town halls because it's not just Democrats who are upset, it's Americans across the board are furious with what Elon Musk is doing and not making government more efficient, but making it non-existent. So, this is really impacting people's lives, and it's making things a lot worse.

CORNISH: I want to ask about this recent vote on the continuing resolution bill, which basically just says, look, we're going to keep spending where it is while we figure out the big questions about the budget. But there was a Democrat from Maine, Jared Golden, who was the only Democrat to vote with Republicans on this bill. And he said, "the CR is not perfect, but a shutdown would be worse." He also called the criticisms that Democrats have around the VA, for example, or money for veterans, as kind of a gimmick. Like the idea that we're sort of drumming up - the idea that Democrats are drumming up fear when really this needs to be taken care of. And a government shutdown would have been bad.

What's your response to that?

MOULTON: Actually, you know, you started this by talking about how people want Democrats to do something. Well, this is one place where we had a little bit of leverage to do something, to say that what Elon Musk is doing to the VA is wrong. And you might disagree with, I mean, just -

CORNISH: Yes, say more.

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MOULTON: There's - there's not much that Democrats can do, but this is one place where we could take a stand. So, I respectfully disagree with Jared Golden, who's a good friend and a fellow Marine. I mean there - there is - you can certainly have different perspectives on this.

You know, one thing you always see is Republicans pretty much voting in line and Democrats actually being more thoughtful about these bills. And there is a legitimate debate to be had.

But I said, no, this is a different time. This is a time when we need to put our foot down and say, we're listening to Americans, not just to Democrats, but to Republicans as well, who don't want this to continue, do not want Elon Musk to continue wrecking the government.

CORNISH: Yes.

MOULTON: And so that's why I'm not going to vote for a continuing resolution.

CORNISH: I have one more question. Public backlash against Elon Musk. The Trump administration is now saying that, like, if you, you know, are attacking Teslas or dealerships, going beyond vandalism, that that could be an act of domestic terrorism. But I do want to ask about this as resistance. Is this what resistance should look like?

MOULTON: So, Trump thinks that if you try to kill cops to overthrow the government and change an election that's not domestic terrorism, but somehow having a protest in front of a Tesla dealership is? The bottom line with Trump is, freedom and liberties belong to people who agree with him, and that's it. That's his view of America. That's not a view that people who believe in our Constitution share.

CORNISH: Congressman Moulton, thank you so much for being with us.

MOULTON: Thanks for having me.

CORNISH: Yes.

All right, time check for you. It's 51 minutes past the hour. Here's your morning roundup. Some of the stories you need to know to get your day going.

Helicopters now barred from flying along a four mile stretch of the Potomac River near Ronald Reagan National Airport. The Transportation Department quickly adopted that recommendation from the NTSB's preliminary report on the deadly collision involving an Army chopper and an American Airlines flight. This was, of course, the deadliest air crash in the U.S. in nearly two decades.

And SpaceX phone home. Today, SpaceX is launching a mission to help bring two American astronauts back from the International Space Station. Their ten-day mission was extended to more than nine months due to severe technical issues with their original spacecraft built by Boeing. And new surveillance video shows a University of Pittsburgh student

who went missing last week in the Dominican Republic while on spring break. It shows the 20-year-old with a group of friends going to the beach after 4:15 a.m. on Thursday. This was right before her disappearance. The FBI says it's now helping in the investigation.

And customers of Southwest are not happy now that the airline is ending its 60 year tradition of free checked bags. Fees kick in May 28th, with a few exceptions for those in the airline's loyalty program, or if you have a Southwest credit card.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't like that at all. This is the first I've heard of it. I fly Southwest because of that.

Everybody has to make money, I get that, but I just hope that they will reconsider.

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CORNISH: Anyone else going to be off Southwest now or - Sabrina's face - Sabrina's face says, no, thank you.

Amtrak posted a message about this, saying, guess we're the only ones doing free baggage now.

The South Lawn of the White House transformed into a Tesla showroom for a day by President Trump. Tesla shares have declined sharply since Elon Musk started slashing the federal workforce. And police across the country are investigating attacks on Tesla showrooms, charging stations, vehicles. So, the president decided to promote Tesla's using a prepared note, including the detail, which is about how Tesla's can be purchased for as low as $299 a month, which is making me feel like I'm reading an ad. He's even claimed that he's buying a red one to support his DOGE buddy.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Wow.

ELON MUSK, CEO AND OWNER, TESLA: I can get in the other side.

TRUMP: (INAUDIBLE). This is a different panel than I've - everything's computer. That's beautiful. Wow.

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CORNISH: Musk took a $29 billion hit to his net worth in a single day on Monday. And the president seems to be taking it personally.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: In the time I've known him, he has never asked me for a favor. He didn't ask me for this. I said, you know, Elon, I don't like what's happening to you. He has never asked me for a thing. And he's built this great company.

And he shouldn't be penalized because he's a patriot.

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CORNISH: OK, group chat is back.

And, Sabrina, I want to ask you something about this. Kara Swisher, kind of Musk-ologist, technology reporter, was saying that Elon Musk has been a heat shield for Trump, right, taking on the sort of incoming from people who are criticizing the reshaping of the federal government. What does it say to you that Trump took this step?

RODRIGUEZ: I mean, I think Trump recognizes that Musk has been taking so much heat. And I think he recognizes that at the end of the day -

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CORNISH: But that he has to protect him?

RODRIGUEZ: That - not necessarily. That's a choice by Trump, no question about it. But I think for Trump right now, I mean, you see the Democratic ads being cut right now and it is video and clips of Elon Musk. And you see Democrats really trying to like prod at Trump by saying that it's president Musk and that they're co-presidents or that really Musk is - is the one that's running the country. There's so many memes that are being made about this. So, I think it is hitting at a sore spot for Trump. And sort of that's part of him coming out in defense.

And I will say, it's exactly the day after there was an interview where Elon Musk did on Fox Business, where he was asked about his company suffering. And there was sort of this moment of him saying, oh, you know, it's with great difficulty that he's navigating this.

So, there's a timeline here.

CORNISH: Yes.

RODRIGUEZ: A clearly we've seen Tesla be affected and Trump being responsive.

CORNISH: Kristen, we were talking during one of the breaks about, like, the weird political horseshoes that happen. And there is a lot of liberals, right, who love Teslas because they were EVs.

ANDERSON: Oh, yes.

CORNISH: And then you had conservatives who were, like, I don't want an EV forced on me. So maybe I'm not - like, it feels like things are getting a little scrambled.

ANDERSON: Completely scrambled.

CORNISH: OK. ANDERSON: There's going to be a lot of Democrats that drive by Tesla dealerships and have protesters, like, yelling at them and they're going to want to have like a, it wasn't me bumper sticker put on their car. I think that's -

CORNISH: Some are selling their cars on TikTok.

ANDERSON: I think that's - that's fascinating. I mean, I don't feel bad for somebody who's extremely wealthy and has chosen to take on another responsibility, and that has led to the politicization of their brand. We have seen over the last couple of years a lot of brands that the more they wade into politics, the more that suddenly they lose a large portion of either their customer base or their potential customer base. Coming from the other direction, you had, you know, Anheuser-Busch, wind up, they lost a bunch of their conservative customers. I mean when you wade into politics, this stuff can happen.

WILLIAMS: I'm also kind of not taking the bait on this story with Elon Musk, where, OK, he's lost money. So have a lot of business owners across America because the Dow and the S&P are down like 9 or 10 percent over the last week or so because the economy is struggling right now. And yes, it's a little odd to see an auto showroom on the grounds -

CORNISH: The White House.

WILLIAMS: South face of the White House. But - but I think we got bigger fish to fry. And I think big - big picture coming (ph).

CORNISH: It's also not weird to see Trump selling something.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

CORNISH: Like, that's his whole deal.

ANDERSON: It felt showcase showdown but in a way that did not feel inauthentic.

RODRIGUEZ: Let's just remember, though, he is the world's richest man. That Elon Musk is -

CORNISH: He is.

RODRIGUEZ: So, $29 billion sounds like an obscene amount of money for us here, but he is the world's richest man.

CORNISH: But it's not, right. "The New York Times" reporting Elon Musk signaled he wants to make $100 billion in donations to the three groups controlled by the Trump political organization. So, while we're sort of talking about that, the America PAC, Trump does really benefit in a lot of ways from this relationship.

ANDERSON: Yes, and I think that Elon Musk's conversion to this more conservative libertarian worldview is genuine. I think that he does want to come in with a sledgehammer and dismantle a lot of agencies. Republicans have wanted that for a long time. So, having Elon Musk and his resources as an ally all of a sudden, as of the last few years, is really, really a big deal for Republicans.

CORNISH: OK, Wednesday, hump day, this is when we're halfway through the week. We're up, we're blessed, and I want to know what you're keeping an eye on.

Sabrina.

RODRIGUEZ: It's - I mean, I think the number one thing, you know, we've talked a lot about tariffs today. And, you know, Trump has previewed and talked repeatedly about how he's going to pursue more. There's one date that should be on a lot of folks minds, and it's April 2nd. He has said that he wants to pursue reciprocal tariffs, that that would mean that he would raise the tariffs on every country to the levels that they tariff us. He talks about how that's like leveling the playing field. But for a lot of people they're bracing -

CORNISH: April 2nd.

RODRIGUEZ: April 2nd.

CORNISH: OK.

RODRIGUEZ: And a lot of people are bracing for how painful that would be for the U.S. economy, how - what a big escalation that would be of the trade war. So, I think that's a big one to be watching.

CORNISH: Elliot.

WILLIAMS: Yes, April 2nd, no fooling. But - I had to.

So, there are 26,000 works of art that the federal government owns. And with government leases being sort of terminated -

CORNISH: Right.

WILLIAMS: And also there's some articles about this, the office at GSA that oversees American art has been gutted. And since the beginning of time, cavemen, to the romans, to, frankly, the paintings on the Berlin Wall, societies are judged by their public art. What happens to American public art and sort of what - what - what are the legs that this story has?

CORNISH: Yes, we've been paying so much attention to the real estate and the things that are shut down.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

CORNISH: But you're saying there are things we own as a collective country.

WILLIAMS: But real quick, you know, at the Justice Department, giant, beautiful murals inside the building, those are all over government buildings. What happens to them? And it's a big deal.

CORNISH: Interesting.

Kristen, last word to you.

ANDERSON: I'm watching what's happening with the domestic politics of countries where Donald Trump is engaged in confrontation.

CORNISH: Same.

ANDERSON: So, it's been fascinating to watch. In a country like Mexico, all of a sudden the job approval of the president there has risen, Claudia Sheinbaum, I believe it's now like 85 percent approved.

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You had the center left party in Canada that had really been suffering as of late, all of a sudden have shot up in the polls as they have a new PM. It's interesting, in countries like Ukraine, Greenland, just watching the domestic politics get affected by Donald Trump's (INAUDIBLE).

CORNISH: Yes, watching that shift in real time.

Thanks to all of you. And I want to thank you for waking up with us.

I'm Audie Cornish. "CNN NEWS CENTRAL" starts right now.