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Israel Launches Strikes in Gaza; Liz Graznak is Interviewed about Farmers in Limbo after Funding Cuts; Schumer Postpones Book Tour; Order Blocking Deportations Ignored; Harvard Offers Free Tuition; Federal Workers Getting Paid to Not Work. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired March 18, 2025 - 06:30 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And undocking confirmed. Freedom is free of its moorings. Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore begin their belated trip home.
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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: It's the mission back to earth. After nearly nine months on the International Space Station, two NASA astronauts are on their way home.
Good morning, everyone. I'm Audie Cornish. Thank you for joining us here on CNN THIS MORNING. Here's what's happening right now.
The SpaceX Dragon capsule is returning to earth. On board, Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams. They left in June for about a week-long stay at the ISS. Of course, that lasted a lot longer after a problem with their spacecraft. They're expected to splash down off Florida's coast later today.
And soon, President Donald Trump will speak with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The call is expected to happen before 11:00 a.m. Eastern. Top of mind, a 30-day ceasefire proposal to end the war in Ukraine. Ukraine has already accepted it. Now it's up to Moscow.
And meanwhile, the Gaza ceasefire, that's shattered. Israel launched deadly airstrikes against Hamas, insisting there will be no mercy until all the remaining hostages are freed. The Israeli strikes killed more than 320 people, wounded hundreds more. That's according to the Palestinian Health Ministry.
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SALAH ABU JAMOUS, WITNESSED ISRAELI STRIKE (through translator): I woke up to the sounds of explosions and fire. So, we went out and came here after the ambulances to see that everything was charred and four bodies were burned.
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CORNISH: Hamas calls the attacks a death sentence for the hostages that they are still holding.
CNN global affairs analyst Kim Dozier is here.
And, Kim, I just want to start simply, why now?
KIM DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, Benjamin Netanyahu is facing a lot of political turmoil at home. He just tried to fire the head of his Shin Bet, his national security agency, and there are protests across the country. He often returns to these kind of actions to take pressure off of things like that.
CORNISH: But hostage families are upset about this. They're protesting.
DOZIER: Absolutely. But the hostage families have had more luck with the White House than they have had pressuring him. So, right now, he's got a White House that has endorsed his attacks, has always signaled that it would. And they've also had strikes in Syria as well. So, you've got this simultaneous attack on their enemies, which leads to just another spiral of violence. And, you know, Hamas, the last time Israeli rescue teams approached a group of hostages, Hamas executed all of them when they were almost about ready to be - to escape.
CORNISH: So, the stakes are extremely high here.
DOZIER: Absolutely.
CORNISH: We were hearing at first this was going to be a phase one ceasefire, phase two ceasefire, this would happen, that would happen. Is that all completely over? And what are you going to be listening for in the coming days?
DOZIER: Well, the Israeli defense forces are saying that they're going after high value targets. There can't be that many left.
CORNISH: Meaning the high value leadership in Hamas.
DOZIER: In Hamas. The people who continue to organize and make things happen. Because you can take the skilled people off the board and leave the rest less able to attack Israelis. But the problem is, Hamas keeps replenishing its ranks. Meanwhile, the Arab world had an alternate peace proposal for Gaza that it put forward that Netanyahu and the White House have rejected. There still will be pressure from Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia -
CORNISH: Yes, to say, if your plan isn't working, why won't you consider the Arab nations plan?
DOZIER: We've got to go back to the fighting.
CORNISH: Kim Dozier, thank you so much for joining us on CNN THIS MORNING. I appreciate it.
DOZIER: Thank you.
CORNISH: Now, with spring just two days away, farmers across the country are preparing their fields for planting. Many are dealing with a new set of challenges. There's a trade war, funding cuts and canceled government contracts.
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KELSEY RICHARDS, FARMER: It's just undermining the strength of our food system, and it's undermining small businesses. It's - it's frustrating and - yes, it's - it's just frustrating.
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CORNISH: So, the Trump administration ended two programs that provided money for schools and food banks to buy food from local and regional farmers. The move froze $1 billion in funding. Our next guest, Liz Graznak, operates Happy Hollow Farm. That's in Missouri. Some of her annual revenue came from these programs that have been shut down.
Liz, welcome to CNN THIS MORNING. Thank you for being with us.
LIZ GRAZNAK, OWNER, HAPPY HOLLOW FARM: Thank you.
CORNISH: I just want to start with all of these different programs being cut, food banks, even USAID. These are all places that farmers put their produce, right? So, what has all this meant for your business?
GRAZNAK: Well, it's been pretty devastating, the thought of losing, for me personally, about a quarter of my annual sales. It's going to be - there's pretty much no way to make that up. And - and it's not just me. There are farmers all over the country that I know, small scale, organic vegetable farmers, like me, that were raising produce, took out loans to expand our production, add more equipment, build more facilities, to be able to meet this demand, to meet these programs, to fill food boxes that were going to schools and that were going to low income communities. So, it's going to be really devastating, you know, not just for me, but for so many small scale farmers across the country that I know, because we've been - we've been talking and trying to figure out what we're going to do.
CORNISH: Some people listening might think, well, maybe that means we're going to get cheaper prices at the grocery store because now there's going to be all this supply. What does that mean for you guys?
GRAZNAK: I - I don't think so, because what it means for most of us is that we're going to have to shrink our production, we're going to have to lay off employees. You know, we've already bought seeds. We've already started the planting. For some of us, you know, like for me in Missouri, we've already planned out our production for this season. But if we can't depend on the fact that those sales are going to exist, we can't afford to take that risk. So, that means we're going to have to shrink our production. It doesn't mean that there's going to be more food and that it will be less expensive. You know, if anything, I still have the same bills to pay. So, it - it's probably going to mean that that my prices are going to have to go up, but it certainly means that my production is going to be less and I'll have to lay off some employees.
CORNISH: One more very quick question. We've heard from the president, Republicans saying that this trade war, et cetera, these decisions, they are better for the long run, to - that it's just a disturbance. What's your response to them who are basically asking for patience?
GRAZNAK: You know, this money wasn't a handout. This money wasn't - our government subsidizes agriculture in a huge way. And most of that subsidy money goes to commodity crops, like corn and soybeans. It's not going to food that's actually feeding people. And feeding people shouldn't be political.
You know, this food was going to schools, to kids, to, like I said, to low income, you know, elderly folks in low income communities. And its high nutrient dense produce, dairy, protein. It was food that was feeding people. And like I said, I mean, this shouldn't be political.
A bunch of farmer friends that I know, I mean, we're small farmers. We are small scale farmers. We can't afford, you know, thousands of dollars to just, poof, go away. It's not like we can find other markets where we can sell the product that we're growing.
We're resilient. You know, I've set up a Give Butter (ph) campaign because I don't want to, like, make this production stop. I also don't want to stop or not be able to provide the food that I was growing to the -
CORNISH: Yes.
GRAZNAK: To organizations locally. So, I'm trying to do what I can. And I know a number of other local, small, small farms that are sort of doing the same thing to try to figure out how we're going to make up this difference. But it's really - it's really difficult.
And like I said, feeding people shouldn't - shouldn't be political.
CORNISH: Yes.
GRAZNAK: You know, this money was - yes.
CORNISH: Well, Liz Graznak, first of all, thank you for feeding your community.
GRAZNAK: Yes.
CORNISH: I'm sorry you're going through this. Thank you for joining CNN THIS MORNING.
GRAZNAK: Thank you for having me. And thank you for bringing this topic up. It's really very, very important.
CORNISH: Chuck Rocha, you don't just wear this hat. CHUCK ROCHA, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO BERNIE SANDERS' 2016 AND 2020
CAMPAIGNS AND DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Right.
CORNISH: We often talk about you having grown up on a farm. What do you hear in her voice?
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ROCHA: You hear desperation. You also hear heartbreak. You know, as somebody who grew up on a working farm, getting up at 5:00 in the morning, as we've talked about, is not unnormal for me. Schedules matter in farming. Knowing down the road when you can plant, when you can seed, when you turn over your crops -
CORNISH: Because your debt is tied to it.
ROCHA: Right. And then you go out and you get a loan, usually they make sure that that seed and those crops can be productive for a time. And you hope, God, you pray that the yield from that takes care of that loan and maybe you could make a little money.
CORNISH: OK, group chat, I want to bring up another topic.
Senator Chuck Schumer facing major backlash. So much so that it's led him to postpone his book tour. So, yesterday, his team announced that they would be delaying events due to, quote, "security concerns."
It comes as many inside the Democratic Party are angry with the Senate minority leader after he voted with Republicans to pass a spending bill and argued that Democrats need to keep reaching across the aisle.
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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): I talk to them. One of the places (INAUDIBLE) go in the gym. You know, when you're on that bike in your shots, panting away next to a Republican, a lot of the inhibitions come off.
JON STEWART, HOST, "COMEDY CENTRAL": They're only being agreeable with you because they want you to leave them alone.
Pedaling really hard and not going anywhere, it's a great metaphor for the Democratic Party right now. Really. Also (INAUDIBLE).
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CORNISH: OK, Jackie, when you lose Jon Stewart, I think, as a Democrat, you have a problem.
JACKIE KUCINICH, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, right. Well, I think one of the striking things about the current anger at Schumer is that it really is an ideological within the Democratic Party.
CORNISH: It is. And the book is about anti-Semitism. And when you think about how they suffered with the protests, right, in terms of every time having an event, and in the end that's not the thing that is the problem for this book tour, it's anger about their actions in Congress.
KUCINICH: Absolutely. And I'm - I'm not saying, you know, the bulk of the Democratic Party was going to be out there protesting Schumer.
CORNISH: Yes.
KUCINICH: But I think both, you know, internally, there's a lot of anger and frustration, both among progressives and middle of the road Democrats. It's generational, but it isn't ideological within the party in terms of this.
CORNISH: Oh, interesting.
Ashley said - actually, Chuck, I can see your mouth open, go ahead.
ROCHA: I was thinking about -
CORNISH: When she said it's generational, I was intrigued.
ROCHA: Right. Exactly right. And the CNN poll that was released this weekend that showed Democrats had only - and I'm the Democrat here, saying that we were only at 29 percent is because Democrats want Democrats to do more. It's not because they hate their party. They hate what their party is doing. And I think that's the frustration you see out there right now.
CORNISH: Yes, Ashley.
ASHLEY DAVIS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL UNDER GEORGE W. BUSH: I think he canceled his book tour because, just like House Republicans were told to cancel their town halls. I mean, there was obviously going to be organizational protests around everywhere he was going to go, which would have just continued to fuel the fire. But I think the biggest issue for Chuck Schumer is the fact that he's one of the best Democrat fundraisers. And so he's probably not going to be able to raise as much money, at least right now, for the Democratic Party, because he's very unpopular.
CORNISH: Yes.
ROCHA: I just want to say about Chuck Schumer is that we wouldn't have the senators we have - he's also a great politician.
CORNISH: He has said that himself.
ROCHA: He has elected a lot, a lot.
CORNISH: Yes.
ROCHA: The interview this weekend was not a lie.
CORNISH: He's a good candidate recruiter, as well as raising money, but -
ROCHA: Right. Funding Dem - the Senate majority PAC is a behemoth, and they're there for Chuck Schumer. CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: It's always bad when Republicans are sticking up for you, though, and that's what's happening right now.
CORNISH: Right, Ashley.
ROCHA: (INAUDIBLE) on Chuck Schumer.
CORNISH: OK, group chat, stay with me.
Still ahead on CNN THIS MORNING, we're going to talk about the Trump administration being accused of defying orders from federal judges. What can the judiciary do? We're going to take a look at the powers that courts have to make sure their decisions get enforced.
And a major university is making it free for more students to attend. Does your family qualify? More from the group chat after this.
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KAROLINE LEVETT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: There's actually questions about whether a verbal order carries the same weight as a legal order, as a written order, and our lawyers are determined to ask and answer those questions in court.
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CORNISH: The White House now casting doubts on whether a federal judge has any say over the use of the Alien Enemies Act. Several deportation flights took off over the weekend for El Salvador, despite a federal judge telling them to turn around. Now, the judge is investigating whether his orders were intentionally ignored by the White House. He wants answers by this afternoon. But it looks like the border czar, Tom Homan, isn't slowing down.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're going against the judges now. What's next?
TOM HOMAN, BORDER CZAR: Another flight. Another flight every day. I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the left thinks. We're coming.
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CORNISH: Joining me now to talk about this, thank goodness, is Elie Honig, CNN's senior legal analyst, former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.
Elie, you just heard it there from Tom Homan, saying, I don't care what judges think. Can you talk about what the DOJ will have to, or could say in today's
hearing to get this back in the good graces of this court?
ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: So, Audie, we'll learn a lot more important information, as you said, later today. What the judge said yesterday is, I need the tick tock. I need chapter and verse so I can take the time when I gave the order on Saturday afternoon at about 6:47 p.m., when the judge said, from the bench, you are not to have any flights leave, any flights that are in the air or to turn around, and I need to know where each of those flights was. Was it - we're they on the ground? Were they in flight? If they were in flight, where were they? Had they landed?
And I have to notice - note about the comment that Tom Homan just made. That's rhetoric that you've heard from some administration spokespeople, to heck with the judge, we'll do what we want.
But I will say yesterday, with respect to the official position taken by DOJ on behalf of the administration, thankfully it was not, to heck with it, we'll do whatever we want. It was much more along the lines of, no, your honor, we did not intentionally defy.
So, we'll see when we get those details today.
CORNISH: That's interesting. And I'm glad you're making this distinction between kind of what you got to say in court versus the rhetoric on TV.
HONIG: Right.
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CORNISH: You know, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller actually was out there arguing that, look, like, this isn't even reviewable.
HONIG: Yes, I saw that in the interview that he did with Kasie Hunt.
Oh, here we have it.
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STEPHEN MILLER, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE ADVISER: This is not justiciable. In other words, this is not subject to judicial remedy. When the president is exercising his Article Two powers to defend the country against an invasion, or to repel a foreign terrorist that is unlawfully in the country, he's exercising his core Article Two powers as commander in chief.
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HONIG: So, yes, Audie, I saw that interview.
And now Stephen Miller uses this big, legal word, "justiciable." Meaning, can judges even review it? But the problem with Stephen Miller's argument is he's saying, no, they can't, end of story. The problem is, that's not up to Stephen Miller. That's not up to the White House. That's not up to DOJ. That's up to the courts. The courts can and do sometimes make that ruling. No, we cannot review this exercise of executive power. But Stephen Miller doesn't get to decide that. The courts get to decide that.
CORNISH: The other person we're hearing from is the attorney general, Pam Bondi. She was making this argument about the bigger question here using the Alien Enemies Act.
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PAM BONDI, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing, and it applies to a situation just like this. Tren de Aragua, they are a foreign arm of the Venezuelan government. They are organized. They have a command structure. And they have invaded our country.
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CORNISH: Elie, the reason why I'm bringing this up is because this is the legal question that is ahead. That's not what we're talking about today. Today it's just like, can you put these guys on the plane when the judge said not to? But the bigger question is, can you actually use this particular law when, you know, Venezuela itself is not backing the gang members that are here. They won't even, I think, take them back. You're holding them in another country. So, what should we be listening for as people start to address this question?
HONIG: You're exactly right. So, this is the argument on the merits of the issue. And the administration's position here, I think, is a stretch. What they have to show is really two things. One, that there's an invasion. They have to argue that the presence in the United States of these gang members constitutes a foreign invasion feels to me like a stretch. But look, they'll have their moment in court. They can make that argument.
And second, and I think even more tricky for the government, they have to show that this invasion was state sponsored. That is essentially the same as a government or a nation invading us. And now this is a street gang. And so, if you look at the president's proclamation, he says, well, they're acting in alignment with and on behalf of the Maduro-controlled regime in Venezuela. Both of those arguments, Audie, feel like long shots to me. But I guess I've seen bigger long shots come home in court. So, don't place your bets on either side. Let's see how this plays out.
CORNISH: Elie Honig, thank you so much for explaining it. Appreciate your time.
HONIG: All right, thanks, Audie.
CORNISH: It's 52 minutes past the hour. I want to give you your morning roundup, some of the stories you need to know to get going.
The family of a missing University of Pittsburgh student now requesting she be declared dead. That's according to a source. She's been missing in the Dominican Republic for nearly two weeks. This was after traveling there for spring break. Her parents say investigators believe she may have drowned and, quote, "no evidence of foul play has been found."
Also today, the Federal Reserve kicks off a two-day meeting with one big topic, interest rates. With so much uncertainty over President Trump's tariffs and trade wars, most economists expect the Fed to keep its key interest rate unchanged for now.
And as we all know, college ain't cheap. So, one Ivy League school is now offering free tuition for some undergrads. Starting next fall, Harvard will give a break to students whose families make $200,000 or less. Average tuition there is more than $56,000 a year.
I actually think that's not bad.
ROCHA: I think that's amazing. You know, as one of the only people who do this who never went to college because I couldn't afford to, right?
CORNISH: Yes, we've talked about that.
ROCHA: Like, I grew up on that farm we were just talking about.
But I think about my eight-year-old grandsons and my son, who's a union steamfitter in Pittsburgh, he's raising those two boys by himself. He probably makes $60,000 or $70,000 a year on a good year. This is perfect for somebody like that, a single father with two little boys trying to figure out how he's going to send them to college.
CORNISH: Though, arguably, that kind of student getting into college probably would have gotten a scholarship, no?
ROCHA: Yes, I would think (ph) so.
DAVIS: Two - two things. One, the $53 billion money that they have in their endowment, this is exactly how it should be used.
CORNISH: Yes, their endowment is massive.
DAVIS: And also, MIT and Penn, the University of Pennsylvania, have been doing this already. So, I think it's probably a trend for some of these.
CORNISH: Yes, but they also haven't had the media relations disaster and fight with Congress that Harvard has had.
DAVIS: True. True, true, true.
KUCINICH: Truly. But I think if this helps, you know, these college students going in not accrue student debt, that's great.
CORNISH: Yes.
KUCINICH: As someone who paid off hers in her 40s, I - I really -
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CORNISH: That's true. That's true.
KUCINICH: I - that - that is a - that is a good thing with middle class parents.
CORNISH: Yes. And with the end of the U.S. Education Department, we will be hearing more about student loans.
I want to move on to something in this vein, because obviously that's a department where there are fired workers. We're also hearing about fired probationary workers in the government who actually are getting their jobs back, at least on paper. Recent court rulings are reinstating workers across a handful of agencies. Now, some are being put on administrative leave.
So, there was one USDA worker who got their job back, and they told CNN, "the whole fraud, waste and abuse thing, it's kind of hilarious now because they're wasting money by paying us all not to work."
But while a lot of people do have their jobs back, the threat of more layoffs remains. One veteran talked about what a roller coaster it's been for his wife, who works at the VA.
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SEAN SPENCE, MARRIED TO VA MEDICAL WORKER: First of all, it's a lot of psychological stress on her.
CROWD: Yes.
SPENCE: So, the first round of layoffs, she was exempted. At the last minute, the exempt - the clinical people, whatever, so she was exempted. But there's still another round coming that she knows about.
Part of me is like, stay in the fight. But the other part of me is like, you get - you get calls from recruiters every single day.
CROWD: Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
SPENCE: So, why - why give your skills and your - to - to these people who don't necessarily care about you, right?
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CORNISH: Group chat is back.
Ashley, I want to start with you.
That there was an Iraq veteran talking about the stress on his family. But when I think back many decades, it was the fantasy for some Republicans to reduce the size of federal government. And now that dog has caught the car. And what is that like actually talking about that.
DAVIS: Not just Republicans, but also going back to Bill Clinton.
CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: I mean this was one of his big issues of cutting the federal government.
Listen, there are - is so much waste in our government. We cannot afford, as a country, to -
CORNISH: But is this what people meant, do you think, like, when they talked about throttling the baby and the federal government and the bathtub? It's like it - is this what they wanted?
DAVIS: I mean, I think that there has been people that have not really been back at work since Covid and not working a full-time job.
However, I do want to say, I think there needs to be an overhaul of the federal government and the workforce. There's too much fat in regards to that.
However, you have a human side that cares about who that's actually impacted. It's easy for me to sit here and say that as a broad stroke, because I do believe in a smaller government. However, people's lives need to be taken into account. And now them coming back to work part - you know, on administrative leave, which is why they're getting paid for free, I mean, the one person said it's hilarious because they're paying for it. It's not really hilarious because we have a major problem in this country.
CORNISH: Well, they want to be working. That person is not - yes, they're not speaking to CNN because they don't want to be working.
DAVIS: Or they -
CORNISH: It's because they do.
ROCHA: You know, we keep talking about this waste, fraud and abuse thing. And I'm all in for all - any waste, fraud and abuse. I'm still looking for that $10,000 mythical toilet at the Pentagon we've talked about since I was a young man.
And that's my point about, where's the real spending? The real spending is in military contracts, in our defense system, and we're not really seeing any of that being talked about. It's always USAID, the VA. You just had a story about the USDA. When all the real money is with Republican contractors at the Pentagon.
CORNISH: Or people are talking about entitlements. So, you kind of go in circles.
ROCHA: Yes.
CORNISH: One of the things Ashley said was broad, right? And that has been the thing people are wrestling with, right? Like, how does the White House say it's waste, fraud and abuse, but we won't answer any FOIAs to show what that is.
KUCINICH: Right. CORNISH: It's not a scalpel. It's a hammer. Like -
KUCINICH: It has been a hammer. I think the - how indiscriminate this has been I think is one of the - it's not like they're saying, OK, this - this - this - this is duplicative. This is not. It's sort of been across the board, which is why they've had to bring people back who do really critical jobs in addition -
CORNISH: Or people who don't, but you just - now you've got to pay them.
KUCINICH: Well, right.
CORNISH: Yes.
KUCINICH: And so, I think that the fact that this hasn't been surgical and this hasn't been research based, it's just sort of been, you know, OK, we're going to turn off everyone's email -
CORNISH: Yes.
KUCINICH: That - that is where the problem lies. And I think that's where a lot of the confusion is and the uncertainty that a lot of American families are going through who have a family member who's working for the federal government.
CORNISH: Yes, uncertainty has been the buzzword.
I want to ask you guys about what you are keeping an eye on this week with our last minute.
Chuck, you're smiling. What are you watching for?
ROCHA: Who's having town halls and not having town halls when they're back home on recess, a. But the real answer everybody knows is, I'm watching my NCAA bracket that I filled out last night. It starts this week. And all my money's going out the window on the NCAA.
CORNISH: OK.
Ashley?
DAVIS: All right, I thought you said TikTok. That you were on TikTok.
ROCHA: I did, but I don't think have time. I didn't want to take you time.
DAVIS: I think it was a very big announcement yesterday with Secretary Burgum, Secretary Turner -
CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: In regards to saying that we're going to use underutilized land to build public housing.
CORNISH: Oh, yes, we referred to this, this week. DAVIS: Obviously, there is a lot of devil in the details there, but we have a lot of land that can be used for something that is a serious problem in this country, which is (INAUDIBLE).
CORNISH: Yes, federal lands now an asset.
Jackie Kucinich?
KUCINICH: I mean, we mentioned it earlier, those JFK papers that are set to be released this afternoon. What's going to -
CORNISH: Really, Jackie Faith Kucinich?
KUCINICH: I know. I know. I was - I was - Camelot-afiles (ph) raised me and named me.
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But, yes, these - but, more importantly, the, what could be in these? What could - what will either settle or not settle these - this conspiracy - these conspiracy theories?
CORNISH: Yes.
KUCINICH: It's important. And we'll see what form they take. We don't - we don't know what we're gong to be looking at.
CORNISH: It is. It's a story running through the veins of our country (INAUDIBLE).
ROCHA: And I did join TikTok yesterday. That was the big news in my family.
CORNISH: OK, Chuck's - thank you for waking up for us. Thank you for checking on Chuck's TikTok.
I'm Audie Cornish. "CNN NEWS CENTRAL" is going to start right now.
