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Trump Disputes Netanyahu's Claims; NYC Shooter Had Grievances with NFL; Anne Applebaum is Interviewed about the Russian Deadline; Trump Denies WSJ Report. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired July 29, 2025 - 06:30   ET

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CHIEF CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Of some displeasure with the NFL. He thought he had CTE, which is, you know, a brain disorder that comes from heavy blows to the head apparently during his days of playing high school football. But it's still not really 100 percent clear. And we don't know why he went to the 33rd floor, which had nothing to do with the NFL. So, there are still a lot of outstanding questions.

But clearly, he was very motivated. I mean he drove all the way from Las Vegas to New York in order to do this. You can see from the photographs of him walking into the building, he seemed to be very calm, very committed to whatever it was that he was going to plan to do. And I think he knew he wasn't going to come out. So, he'd already made his mind out -- up.

You know, one of the things I find kind of interesting, though, because of this whole connection with CTE, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest. You know, oftentimes something like this occurs, they shoot themselves in the head or what have you. But if he claimed he was suffering from CTE, perhaps he did not want to cause any damage to the brain so that during an autopsy it could be determined whether or not he did, in fact, suffer from that.

But again, it's just a senseless killing. Sometimes you never find the complete motive. However, with search warrants, going through his social media, going through other documents and so forth, they start to better understand his thinking at the time, which could narrow it down.

AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: Yes.

RAMSEY: But the 33rd floor is a bit of a mystery.

CORNISH: And we should say, to kind of connect the dots for people here, there were a number of corporate offices in that building. So, for a while, there was a lot of question about what the target was because there were so many different companies.

RAMSEY: Right.

CORNISH: And this idea of the NFL came, reportedly, I think CNN's reporting some of our sources, from a note. Right now this is a live image of the building. And that note made reference to CTE. And that's all we know so far. There isn't a full connection. And CTE cannot be diagnosed while a person is alive. So again, you pointing to him with a self-inflicted wound to the chest.

Can you talk about what's next for investigators? We're talking about this note. We're talking about where he's from. Do they connect with Las Vegas? Are they pursuing, you know, his route across the country? How would this work?

RAMSEY: Also, families and friends being interviewed. Certainly, that's a big part of it. I already mentioned going through his social media and other documents that they may have found during the course of executing search warrants. They've got to debrief and interview all those that were present in the building at the time he entered. Any information that they may have regarding this. Again, trying to find out what -- what was the rationale for going to the 33rd floor of this building? Did he work there at some point? Did he have a particular grievance? Was that just a random act? They're trying to nail all these things down right now.

So, this is still actually less than 24 hours into the investigation. And even though, you know, we all want answers now, that's not how real investigations work. There's a lot of behind the scenes work that has to go on.

And sometimes you never really find the true motive. He is deceased. So, it's not as if he can be interviewed. But I do believe that they'll narrow it down pretty well. In fact, they probably have a lot more information than we know about right now.

CORNISH: That's Chief Charles Ramsey, CNN's senior law enforcement analyst.

Thank you for speaking with us.

RAMSEY: Thank you.

CORNISH: We're going to talk about now that global pressure that is mounting on Israel as food crisis experts say the worst case scenario of famine is currently playing out in Gaza. President Trump is publicly splitting from the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: There is no policy of starvation in Gaza, and there is no starvation in Gaza.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Some of those kids are -- that's real starvation stuff. I see it. And you can't fake that. So, we're going to be even more involved.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CORNISH: Until now, Trump has mostly put the blame on Hamas for the crisis. And this comes as Netanyahu is facing pressure from inside Israel. For the first time, two Israeli rights groups say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, citing a major report that came to that, quote, "unequivocal conclusion."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YULI NOVAK, ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

The people of Gaza have been displaced, bombed and starved, left completely stripped of their humanity and rights.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CORNISH: Israel has denied those claims.

I'm going to bring back the group chat to talk about this.

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One of the things that was happening on social media, I think, ahead of this conversation, was the Israeli government saying, look, those images are propaganda, that starvation is Hamas' fault. And so, what's significant about the way Trump intervened or at least spoke publicly about it?

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN ANCHOR AND CHIEF DOMESTIC CORRESPONDENT: That he did. I mean, not to be simplistic about things.

CORNISH: But could he have played golf and not mentioned it? I mean, that would be weird.

MATTINGLY: I don't necessarily -- I think what -- the thing that I've always kind of stuck to when it comes to understanding how the president works with world leaders, is the thing that will make him turn or get him angry is when he's told something and then sees something that seems to contradict it almost entirely. And I think you're seeing it with -- with Russia and President Putin as well.

CORNISH: Yes.

MATTINGLY: We've seen it kind of consistently, that makes him feel or look like he was wrong or said things. You know, he came into this trip, to Scotland, talking about his kind of annoyance that people weren't thanking him for providing aid.

CORNISH: Right.

MATTINGLY: And part of that was based on the fact that his relationship with -- with Prime Minister Netanyahu, particularly in their last conversations, made him believe that that was actually a substantive solution, and it wasn't nearly as bad as what people were saying.

CORNISH: And also, Starmer had planned to bring it up. So, it's not going to -- MATTINGLY: And other European leaders.

CORNISH: Yes.

MATTINGLY: Ursula von der Leyen did as well. And so, I think it's been brought to the forefront. And again, we talked earlier about the visual nature of things. And I think that -- he's -- he's, pissed, to be blunt, about feeling like he's misled on some level.

CORNISH: Yes.

I think, obviously, during the Biden era, using the word genocide so early, kind of in the war, was very problematic and problematic for Democrats. Now that this is happening, I feel like the door is opening more for people to talk in this way.

Angus King is a Democratic senator from Maine. He's calling on the U.S. to end support for Israel while the hunger crisis continues.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. ANGUS KING (I-ME): To me, Israel has the resolution of this problem in their hands. They should be sponsoring and encouraging and supporting a massive humanitarian program in Gaza. They have not done that.

I'm through voting for support for Israel as long as there are starving children in Gaza that have been caused by Israel's action or inaction with regard to humanitarian relief. But I'm glad that the president has recognized the problem.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CHUCK ROCHA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think you're going to see a lot more of this on Capitol Hill. I go back to my initial statement about the images that are just horrific coming out of there. Folks should say, who's been following this very intently, that this has been going on for some time. But now the American people, regular folks, are seeing it. Even though they feel disconnected from this part of the world, they may not confine this area on a map. When they see kids struggling like this, I think that is something that even the president, to Phil's point, once he sees it, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, even this is a little too far for me. And I think that's why we're seeing what we're seeing.

CORNISH: Yes, I found it significant also because the president was supporting the Israeli backed humanitarian distribution effort, which has, frankly, led to a lot of deaths.

Jonah, how are you seeing this?

JONAH GOLDBERG, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I'm just going to be a skunk at the garden party on all of this.

I am deeply skeptical of pretty much every actor, mainstream media, including some people at this network. The U.N. is a hotbed of deceit and deception and self-dealing. UNRWA and Hamas are deeply in bed with each other. It's not in -- it's not entirely the fact that UNRWA is entirely run by Hamas, but it is deeply infiltrated by Hamas.

Hamas is the government of Gaza. And if you read closely the coverage of this, if you read the U.N. statements about this, all of the responsibilities are on Israel to feed everybody. And I think Israel should do more. Some of these images are legitimately terrible. But we, who spend our time in TV, should have some more acknowledgment of how badly things can go awry when public policy and foreign policy are governed by images.

CORNISH: Can I ask a quick question then, to your point, because Israel does not trust international aid organizations for the reasons you described --

GOLDBERG: Sure.

CORNISH: Their belief that Hamas takes food and resources, which we have seen in the past. Do they bear responsibility for the way the humanitarian food distribution has happened, which has been by an organization that they backed?

GOLDBERG: Yes. They -- they, obviously, bear some responsibility. I don't think Israel is a perfect actor in this situation at all.

CORNISH: And I hear you saying everybody is a bad actor.

GOLDBERG: Yes.

CORNISH: But you're bringing in the news. You're bringing in all these people.

GOLDBERG: But --

CORNISH: I mean, is there a tipping point where a famine becomes something to be addressed on its own through moral questions of its own value?

GOLDBERG: Yes, I mean, just to -- on the question of famine, as you had in the setup piece, it says, the worst case scenario for famine is proceeding. The same report said there's not, in fact, famine right now. They felt -- they came up short of saying that. They're saying that if this scenario continues to play out.

We saw a news cycle where I had to comment on stuff about how if -- if in 48 hours Israel didn't do something, 14,000 babies would be killed, would die.

CORNISH: Yes.

GOLDBERG: Turned out that was a complete social media driven hoax. I think a lot of people in the media, a lot of people like Donald Trump, are following these stories based upon the steady stream of images they get on social media and on -- get on TV.

[06:40:06] It doesn't mean all the images are fake by any stretch of the imagination. It doesn't mean there isn't profound suffering in Gaza that Israel should figure out a way to do more about. But it also puts much more of an onus than you hear from anybody on the fact that Hamas, the only thing the international community ever asked of Hamas is, release the hostages, not let food out of your own warehouses, not stop working and sometimes with UNRWA to sort of undermine the aid delivery process.

And so I just -- I have -- I've never been in a situation in a story where I have such complete distrust for almost every actor, including Israel's people, on this stuff. I just don't trust anything. And I -- I don't want to be -- I don't want to win the race to be wrong first on any of this stuff. And that's terrible, because there are definitely people suffering.

CORNISH: Yes, it is -- it is hard to know what would be the winner in that conversation, which I see playing out online.

You guys, stay with me. We're going to talk a lot more about this and other things.

Here on CNN, we're going to talk next about President Trump, who wants to make a deal with Ukraine in the next 12 days. But will Russia listen?

And the defense rests. Today, the murder trial for the man accused of poisoning his wife's protein shakes goes to the jury.

Stay with us.

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CORNISH: It's 45 minutes past the hour. And here is your morning roundup.

A new higher education target for the Trump administration. The Education Department is looking into claims that Duke University and the "Duke Law Journal" violated the Civil Rights Act. Trump administration officials say there are concerns they used, quote, "race preferences" in hiring, admissions and scholarship decisions.

Today, jury deliberations are expected to begin in the trial of the Colorado dentist accused of fatally poisoning his wife's protein shake. James Craig has pleaded not guilty to all charges. Now, if convicted, he faces life in prison without the possibility of parole.

And pro-football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders is now cancer free. Coach Prime shared a video on social media Monday, saying he was diagnosed with bladder cancer and underwent surgery to have his bladder removed. In a press conference yesterday, he said it was never going to stop him from getting back on the sidelines with his University of Colorado-Boulder team.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DEION SANDERS, HEAD FOOTBALL COACH, UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO-BOULDER: I was always going to coach. It was never in my spirit, in my heart that God wouldn't allow me to coach again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CORNISH: He says no one knew about his diagnosis, not even the team.

And the NFL now responding to the shooting at a Manhattan skyscraper which killed four people, including a New York police officer. That building is home to the corporate offices of the NFL. A law enforcement source tells CNN the shooter had grievances with the league. One league employee was seriously injured in the attack.

In a memo to employees, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said in part, "we are deeply grateful to the law enforcement officers who responded to this threat quickly and decisively and to Officer Islam, who gave his life to protect others."

For more on how the league is responding, I'm going to bring in CNN's Coy Wire.

Coy, thank you for being here. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances. And I understand you're even familiar with that building.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Yes, Audie. It is good to see you, too, but I do hate that it is because of this story that is gut-wrenching, especially for those who got news that one of their family members or friends is a part of it. NFL employees got a memo from Commissioner Roger Goodell last night saying that one of their own, an employee, has been seriously injured in the attack. He said in part, quote, "as has been widely reported, a gunman committed an unspeakable act of violence in our building at 345 Park Avenue. One of our employees was seriously injured in this attack. He is currently in the hospital and in stable condition. NFL staff are at the hospital and we are supporting his family. We believe that all of our employees are otherwise safe and accounted for," unquote.

Audie, NFL employees based in New York have been told to work remotely today. And, if they need it, they're able to take the day off and do what they need to do to get their hearts and minds right and wrap -- wrap their brains around what all just occurred there at the place they work.

CORNISH: As a former NFL player, can you tell us more about this -- this building and its headquarters?

WIRE: Yes, I've been to the NFL offices for meetings on several occasions, Audie. It is a massive building. One of the most highly secured that I've ever been in. Just to get to the multiple sets of elevator corridors, there is a lengthy check in process with turnstile gates that remain locked until cleared. I have several friends that work in that building. Several NFL employees that I know as well. I reached out to them yesterday, was texting with them, making sure they were OK. They were scared. They were shocked. And this was before they'd learned that someone they knew had been shot.

We know the shooter was found deceased on the 33rd floor. Audie. The NFL offices are on the fifth floor. We don't know where the NFL employee was at the time he was shot. Commissioner Goodell added in his memo that they are deeply grateful to the law enforcement officers who responded to this threat quickly and decisively, and to Officer Islam, who gave his life to protect others.

CORNISH: CNN's Coy Wire. Coy, thank you. Appreciate it.

Now, Russia says it has taken note of President Trump's announcement that he is moving up the deadline for Moscow to end its war on Ukraine. But a spokesman for President Vladimir Putin says Russia's special military operation against Ukraine continues as before.

Two weeks ago, Trump gave Putin 50 days to agree to a ceasefire or face harsh new sanctions.

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On Monday, he reduced that timeframe to 10 or 12 days.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm disappointed in President Putin. Very disappointed in him. So, we're going to have to look -- and I'm going to reduce that 50 days that I gave him to a lesser number, because I think I already know the answer, what's going to happen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CORNISH: President Trump is threatening a 100 percent tariff on Moscow if it fails to meet his deadline. A bipartisan bill in the Senate goes even further.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MANU RAJU, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: One hundred percent. Is that not sufficient?

SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL (D-CT): It has to be stronger than 100 percent.

RAJU: Because Trump is talking about 100 percent.

BLUMENTHAL: One hundred percent is the president's number. Five hundred percent is our number.

RAJU: Has the president waited too long to act on sanctions against Russia?

BLUMENTHAL: Better late than never. I would have preferred weeks or months ago.

(END VIDEO CLIP) CORNISH: Here to discuss this with us, Anne Applebaum, staff writer at "The Atlantic."

Anne, thank you for being with us. Good morning.

I want to start with just the president's moving of this deadline, because in the past he's been, frankly, reluctant to kind of punish Russia and speak in this way. What are you seeing in this moment?

ANNE APPLEBAUM, STAFF WRITER, "THE ATLANTIC": So, I'm not sure that the Russians are going to take a deadline seriously that's been changed so often. Trump has talked about two weeks. He talked about 50 days. Now he's talking about ten days, maybe 12 days. That's not the kind of language that worries Russia.

And, frankly, I don't even think that the -- the way that the president is talking about sanctions worries Russia very much either. They've -- they've been working on developing an economy that's resilient to sanctions. They have close relations with -- with -- with China, with North Korea, with other countries that are giving them weapons and giving them components.

The -- the one thing that would worry Russia would be arming Ukraine. Giving the impression that the U.S. is committed to the victory of Ukraine and that it's not going to stop until the war ends, until Russia understands that it cannot conquer the whole country. And so far we aren't hearing that kind of language from the president. He did talk about giving Ukraine some more defensive weapons to defend its cities against these very now regular large attacks. But we haven't heard any conversation about -- about armaments.

CORNISH: You were writing in "The Atlantic" that Putin isn't looking for another ceasefire, and that he doesn't really want to negotiate. So, is your sense that he can wait Trump out? And at a certain point, is this an embarrassment to the U.S. president?

APPLEBAUM: Oh, Putin certainly thinks that he can wait Trump out. And he's -- he intends it to be an embarrassment to the U.S. president. And so his -- he still believes that he will conquer all of Ukraine. He still believes that after that the Russian army will pose a threat to all of Europe and all of NATO. He's -- you know, he's still -- he's still assuming that -- that the plan that he made, I mean it was a -- it was a -- hasn't exactly worked out the way he thought it would, more than three years ago would -- would -- would bring him this ultimate victory. And he is expecting to wait it out.

So, it's really now incumbent upon the White House, on the administration, together with allies, and allies are doing pretty well, to show that the United States will not drop out, that we will not stop, that we will not refuse to help Ukraine. And that's really the only thing we can do now. If you really want peace, if you really want to end the war, you need to show the Russians that you aren't going to leave Ukraine alone.

CORNISH: But briefly, wouldn't more sanctions do that? And are these figures that we're hearing, 100 percent or whatever, to you, is that an inflection point to -- to know?

APPLEBAUM: Sanctions would be useful. You know, the -- the sanctions that we've done so far have been useful. But they will not compensate for steady military support for Ukrainian victory.

CORNISH: All right, that's Anne Applebaum. You can read her writing in "The Atlantic."

Thank you.

Now I want to turn to President Trump's legal team, because they're actually pushing ahead with a lawsuit against "The Wall Street Journal." They want to depose owner Rupert Murdoch within the next 15 days. Trump's lawyer asked a judge Monday to let them depose the 94- year-old media mogul because of his advanced age. They argue he would likely be unavailable for a trial.

Trump is suing Murdoch and "The Wall Street Journal's" parent company for a recent report dealing with a birthday card Trump allegedly sent Jeffrey Epstein featuring Trump's name and an outline of a naked woman. Trump has denied ever sending such a note or even doing such a drawing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't do drawings. Sometimes people say, would you draw a building, and I'll draw four lines and a little roof, you know, for a charity and stuff. But -- but I don't -- I'm not a drawing person. I don't do drawings of women, that I can tell you. They say there's a drawing of a woman, and I don't do drawings of women.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CORNISH: OK, group chat is back.

Sorry, I couldn't let you escape without talking about this story somehow.

Two things are going on here. One is him going up against Murdoch. Just because you're in that world of media, Jonah, is that notable?

GOLDBERG: Rupert Murdoch and Donald Trump have always had a frenemy kind of relationship.

CORNISH: OK.

GOLDBERG: And I think this is one of these examples of Trump just being profoundly pissed off by something.

CORNISH: Well, he's had a good run against news organizations.

GOLDBERG: And that's the thing. It's like -- I think it's a profoundly stupid lawsuit. I mean, on a really fundamental level. But so was the CBS one, and they paid out, right? So, like, if -- if people are going to cave, why not keep going? And also, it sends a signal to other media organizations, don't join the feeding frenzy on the Epstein thing or you could get a lawsuit too.

MATTINGLY: Can I just say --

CORNISH: Yes, go ahead.

MATTINGLY: I think -- I agree on all that. I think the fascinating element of this is, Rupert Murdoch doesn't have any license that he needs right now that's up for debate. He's not trying -- he's not in the middle of an M&A or in an acquisition or trying to sell off anything. So, that's one component of this.

Also, particularly in the wake of some of the things, after the Smartmatic issues that they were dealing with after January 6th, and the president, if you think this story was posted with the president making direct threats to Emma Tucker, making direct threats to Rupert Murdoch, making direct threats across, up and down the legal department of "The Wall Street Journal," without being completely locked up on the back end, I mean, most people don't understand journalism. That's a problem in some level about the lawyers and how this actually all works.

CORNISH: I was about to say, I have to translate for you, which they wouldn't have gone to publish unless they thought they had the goods.

MATTINGLY: Exactly.

CORNISH: OK.

And also I want to say, do we even need the Murdochs of the world for this story? If you look at someone like Joe Rogan, you know, huge audience, who's out there saying, why should we let this go? You're gaslighting us.

ROCHA: Huger audience. Like, that's where most eyeballs are at these days. And I go to Jonah's point. This is personal for him. Like, he's just mad and he's just lashing out. That's why, on top of all of that, going, oh, and by the way, America, he's really -- oh, we should do it right now before he dies, his words, not mine, because he's just angry. But the news media piece of this is the biggest point.

CORNISH: Yes, let me -- I actually think we have this clip. I want to show it just because he has a massive, you know, audience of independent voters.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE ROGAN, PODCAST HOST: When we thought Trump was going to come in and a lot of things were going to be resolved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

ROGAN: They were going to drain the swamp. They were going to figure everything out. And when you have this one, hardcore line in the sand that everybody had been talking about forever, and then they're trying to gaslight you on that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CORNISH: This was part of an extensive discussion, but you can hear a lot in there. The one hard line in the sand, this is the drain the swamp, a lot wrapped up in that comment.

ROCHA: This -- these -- Theo Von, Andrew Schultz, all these boys have millions of people. This is his problem with the Epstein thing. It's not us talking about it. It's not even Rupert Murdoch. It's his base. And folks that the Republicans need to motivate to show up in an off year election, which is the real problem.

CORNISH: OK. Do you have one more?

MATTINGLY: No

CORNISH: OK. Well, I'll start with you then because we're going to talk about what's in your group chat.

MATTINGLY: I just nod when Chuck says things.

ROCHA: Here we go.

MATTINGLY: (INAUDIBLE).

CORNISH: Oh, good. That's fair. He likes that.

Because we don't all just talk about serious things. But maybe you do. What are people in your world talking about, Phil?

MATTINGLY: This is going to really kind of unveil how big of a nerd I am. We're talking about appropriations, naturally, because that's what I talked about. That and Ohio State football.

Susan Collins, the chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Russell Vought, the budget director for the Trump administration, they are trying to figure out spending bills, which have to be bipartisan, unlike the big, beautiful bill. And Russell Vought, over at OMB, is doing everything in his power to undercut Susan Collins, the Republican Senate Appropriations Committee chairman. There are legal issues. It will likely end up in front of the Supreme Court. There are shutdown issues, which are going to come to a head at the end of September. This is a huge issue happening now, and it's something people should be watching and certainly we're talking about it.

ROCHA: Nerd alert.

CORNISH: Yes.

MATTINGLY: Nerds.

CORNISH: Yes. Yes. That's quite the group.

Jonah, you. GOLDBERG: Yes, I shouldn't be so mirthful. I actually knew -- I know

someone in the building where the NFL shooter was. And what's remarkable -- so, a lot of my --

CORNISH: Yes.

GOLDBERG: Me and my friends who also knew the person are texting about it. And what's sort of remarkable to me is it dawned on me that if I didn't have -- if I didn't know someone, I wouldn't be texting about it at all because these things are so common. And that's kind of creepy when you think about it.

CORNISH: Yes.

Chuck.

ROCHA: In my group chat, all -- all the best to Coach Prime. I was just thinking about him and how he wears a nice cowboy hat when he's on camera. To all the folks at CNN, he also was wearing overalls. I think we should allow that here. But that's just a side note.

CORNISH: You are not banned from overalls. You can do that.

ROCHA: I can -- that's -- oh, you heard it here first. All right.

CORNISH: Yes, you can do that. I mean, I'm going to say something. I'm going to say something, but --

GOLDBERG: You do you.

ROCHA: In my group -- in my group chat this morning, because I'm from Texas, we're talking about, they're in special session in Texas.

CORNISH: Yes.

ROCHA: They have come together. And you would think they maybe came together to work on funding emergency response systems for flooding. But, no, we were talking about redrawing congressional lines in the middle of a redistricting session so that the Republicans have more power in Congress.

CORNISH: I'm interested to see how they'll fight it.

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For me, it's -- every time there's a story about coffee -- coffee prices going up, I send it to my husband. So, that is most definitely in our group chat. So, I can induce his panic.

I want to thank you to all of you for being with us. I want to thank you for being with us. A lot of news today. Please stay with us because "CNN NEWS CENTRAL" starts right now.