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At Least 5 Killed in Shooting Attack in Jerusalem; Sanctuary Cities Brace for New Wave of ICE Raids; Could A.I. Save More Lives Than Human Docs? Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired September 08, 2025 - 06:00   ET

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: President Trump threatens war against an American city. So, what does he mean? CNN THIS MORNING starts right now.

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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: We're going to clean up our cities. We're going to clean them up, so they don't kill five people every weekend.

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CORNISH: The White House warns sanctuary cities like Chicago to expect action this week.

And breaking news from Israel. At least five people killed when two attackers opened fire on a bus stop.

A top South Korean diplomat rushes to the U.S. after a massive immigration raid on a Hyundai factory in Georgia.

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TRUMP: Look, you have vaccines that work. They just pure and simple work.

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CORNISH: So, did President Trump just break with RFK Jr. on vaccines.

And paging Dr. Bot. Could A.I. save more lives than human doctors?

It's 6 a.m. here on the East Coast. Here is a live look at the Capitol. Good morning, everybody. It is Monday, September 8, 2025. Thank you for waking up with me. I'm Audie Cornish, and here's where we begin.

Breaking news in Jerusalem. At least five people are dead after a shooting attack. Right now, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is on the scene.

And CNN international correspondent Jeremy Diamond is live from Jerusalem, just nearby where that attack happened. And, Jeremy, can you tell us more about what you've learned?

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, Audie, this is where this attack happened this morning, very shortly after rush hour.

The Israeli police says that two terrorists opened fire on individuals who were waiting at this bus stop right behind me.

You can see on the scene you have city crews, as well as rescue workers who are here cleaning up the debris from this attack. There were, you know, a number of shards of broken glass on the floor here. Still pools of blood fresh from this attack that happened just a few hours ago.

A lot of that has already been cleaned up here, following the visit of the Israeli prime minister to this area, we are learning that at least five people were killed in this attack. More than a dozen people were wounded.

Of those people who were wounded, several are listed in serious condition, others with moderate to light wounds. And they were all taken to area hospitals.

This appears to have been the deadliest terrorist attack here since October of 2024, when we saw Palestinian gunmen open fire in Jaffa in Tel Aviv, killing seven people then.

As I said right now, the death toll here is five people. But we have seen that rise since this morning.

We also understand that Israeli security forces, who have responded not only here to the scene, but are also now encircling several Palestinian villages in the occupied West Bank, where we are seeing Israeli security forces close in near Ramallah, where the shooters in this attack are believed to have originated from near that Palestinian city in the West Bank.

Now, in terms of what happened here on the scene, we understand that these two gunmen opened fire on a crowd that was waiting at this bus stop. And they were engaged by an off duty Israeli soldier, as well as several Israeli civilians who were armed and were able to kill those two assailants.

We don't know of the involvement of any other individuals. We know that Hamas has issued a statement praising this attack, but they have not claimed responsibility -- Audie.

CORNISH: That's Jeremy Diamond reporting from Jerusalem. We'll be hearing more from him today.

And here in the U.S., they're known as sanctuary cities, but the White House is calling them a problem. The Trump administration is promising more immigration crackdowns this week. Chicago and Boston are a focal point.

On Sunday, the White House announced Patriot 2.0, claiming that it's aimed at what they call, quote, "the worst of the worst criminal aliens in Massachusetts."

But the governor says that is not who is being targeted.

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GOV. MAURA HEALEY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: We've seen construction workers, nannies, landscapers, you know, health care aides. These are the people who are being taken in these huge numbers, taken away from their families.

And it is not the kind of effort that Donald Trump said it was about. But again, this is about show. It's about a show of force. It's about political theater.

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CORNISH: The new operations in Boston come as the president threatens war on Chicago. President Trump shared this "Apocalypse Now"-inspired meme on social media over the weekend, with a caption promising Chicago was going to, quote, "find out why it's called the Department of War."

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SEN. TAMMY DUCKWORTH (D-IL): The president of the United States essentially just declared war on a major city in his own nation. This is not normal, Margaret. This is not acceptable behavior.

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CORNISH: ICE operations in Chicago seem to already be underway. The White House tells CNN immigration and Border Patrol agents are now trickling into the city to make arrests. The president says there's more to come.

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TRUMP: Chicago is a very dangerous place, and we have a governor that doesn't care about crime, I guess. We could solve Chicago very quickly, but we're going to make a decision as to where we go over the next day or two.

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CORNISH: Joining me now in the group chat, Sara Fischer, CNN senior media analyst and senior media reporter at Axios; Stephen Collinson, CNN politics senior reporter; and Francesca Chambers, White House correspondent for "USA Today."

Francesca, can we start with you? Over the weekend, we had Tom Homan, the border czar, who was asked about this language and asked about the post specifically on Chicago. Right? Using that meme.

And he said, I think it's words being taken out of context, saying that we're going to war. We're going to war with criminal cartels. We're going to war with illegal aliens.

FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, "USA TODAY": Well, the White House has said all along that, if you are a person who is in the country, who is not here legally, who is here undocumented, that you could be caught up in these raids that they're planning to do.

CORNISH: Caught up or are, by definition, criminal?

CHAMBERS: Well, the White House has said that they are targeting people who have committed some other crime beyond entering the country illegally.

However, they -- that you can be caught up in these. And if you are in the country illegally, you are going to be deported, too. And I think that's where a lot of the concern is coming from both the immigrant community and otherwise.

Because when you look at polling, Americans have said consistently that they don't support these kind of mass deportations, including some of the president's supporters.

And there's been some back and forth about this, even with the White House over the last couple months, about whether or not they should be going and targeting farmers and agricultural workers and other people who are seen as very important to making the economy turn.

CORNISH: Right. We should mention in Georgia that Hyundai plant, where there was a raid that took several South Korean workers, right, as the U.S. is in the middle of its kind of tariff discussions with South Korea.

Stephen, I thought it was interesting that you were saying the way Trump is behaving online, his threats and the language he's using, are kind of masking something else; potential other concerns. What do you mean by that? STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Right. This is

classic Trump. He does something calculated to stir outrage. Democrats get very upset. The media gives this great coverage.

But there is an undertone of deep menace because of the draconian nature of some of this immigration enforcement.

But let's not forget, this also came after Friday's jobs numbers, which were terrible. Signs that Trump's policies on tariffs are having a real impact, not just on the prices people pay for goods, but also on jobs numbers, manufacturing.

So, the president needs to shore up himself politically.

CORNISH: Now we're talking about this instead of that.

COLLINSON: But we always have this discussion. Well, it's a distraction. But at the same time, Trump's distractions are becoming more extreme and hardline. So, when do you get a distraction from a distraction from a distraction? So, everything kind of pulls together.

CORNISH: The snake is officially eating its tail.

COLLINSON: Yes.

CORNISH: Our newest poll shows that the president's approval rating now sits at 43 percent; 55 percent disapprove of his job as president.

And then a new CBS poll out this weekend finds his job approval rating -- and I always look for this -- among independents is at 37 percent.

So, help me understand how all this messaging, which is effective, right, like, we -- we start covering these things. How you think that is starting to paint a picture of this term?

SARA FISCHER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA ANALYST: There's two different things. There's the messaging. And there's the actual outcome, Audie.

And when you take a look at what people said they wanted Donald Trump to do when he got into office, it was to crack down on illegal immigration, to close the borders.

However, it wasn't to put the economy in jeopardy by going after, to Francesca's point, agricultural workers, people within communities, nannies. That type of outcome is very different from the message.

And I think that's why you're seeing people, particularly independents, pull back in their support from the president, because it's one thing to say, Oh, we're going to crack down on illegal immigration. We're going to crack down on crime.

Of course, everyone in theory wants that.

When you feel it in your communities, when you feel the lack of workers in restaurants, we have in D.C., empty restaurants at brunch time. People feel that, and they don't like that, Audie. [06:10:04]

CORNISH: You know, it's interesting. I would think that, for the Trump administration, going as they campaigned, they would often say, Oh, you just want these workers for X amount of reason, right?

Like, it became an argument against the elites that they wanted an underclass of workers. But you're saying the reality of people missing from the economy is starting to be felt?

FISCHER: Very much so, and --

CORNISH: Not as -- as an elite problem?

FISCHER: No. It's a -- these are people who help to make sure critical industries in the United States continue to flourish.

Remember, when you pull out, for example, nannies and childcare, those people can't go to work. When you pull out restaurant workers, people are not going to bring business lunches to those places.

And so suddenly, cities especially are feeling this jolt. I think that's also why you have Tammy Duckworth and others complaining about these raids coming to their own cities. They're watching the economic impact of what's happening in downtown D.C. They don't want that in their town.

CORNISH: OK. We're going to talk about this more. In fact, we're going to talk a lot about jobs today. So, you guys stay with us.

Coming up on CNN THIS MORNING, South Korea's former -- foreign minister set to arrive in the U.S. What's next for the hundreds of Korean workers detained at that Georgia Hyundai plant?

And would you put the trust of your medical care in the hands of artificial intelligence?

Plus, Florida's surgeon general stands firm on his call to do away with vaccine mandates.

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JOSEPH LADAPO, FLORIDA SURGEON GENERAL: We're not taking vaccines away. They have the ability to consider those things when they make decisions about their child. But they -- their ability to consider those things cannot be usurped by someone else.

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CORNISH: It's now 15 minutes past the hour. And here is your morning roundup.

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CORNISH: President Trump was met with mostly boos when he showed up at the U.S. Open on Sunday. There were some cheers. He even signed an autograph.

The men's final was delayed almost an hour due to the heavy security.

The U.S. Tennis Association asked broadcasters from ESPN not to show any disruptions or reactions to President Trump being there.

And Florida's plan to drop vaccine mandates won't start for at least 90 days. The state surgeon general facing backlash about the decision.

He admitted to CNN's Jake Tapper on "STATE OF THE UNION" that he didn't study impact before calling to lift the vaccine mandate.

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: You're trying to lift the vaccine mandate in Florida. And your department, and you, did not even do a projection as to how this could impact public health?

LADAPO: It's an issue of right and wrong in terms of whether parents should be able to control, have ultimate authority over what happens to their kids' bodies.

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CORNISH: Florida would be the first state to end a vaccine mandate.

And the Baltimore Ravens quarterback, Lamar Jackson, says he let his emotions get to him after he was seen shoving a Buffalo Bills fan during last night's game. Jackson says it won't happen again.

The Ravens lost to the Bills on a game-winning field goal.

And after the break on CNN THIS MORNING, they diagnose faster, never sleep, and learn from every life saved. But if A.I. can heal, do we still need humans to do the job?

And requests for strippers and a putting green? A man accused of trying to assassinate President Trump represents himself in court today.

And good morning. This is a live look in New York City. We'll be right back.

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CORNISH: Paging Dr. Bot. Artificial intelligence has infiltrated every aspect of our lives, so why not healthcare, too?

We expect doctors to always be right. They often work long hours under intense pressure, with limited resources. And that leads to medical mistakes.

According to our next guest, each of us will face at least one diagnostic error in our lifetimes. And in the U.S., diagnostic errors cause death or permanent injury to almost 800,000 people a year.

So, while the human touch may always be part of the healing process, many physicians agree that A.I. could help.

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KEVIN JUBBAI, M.D., PHYSICIAN ENTREPRENEUR: Medicine is far more algorithmic than doctors are willing to admit. And if your job has an algorithm, even one buried under years of training and nuance, A.I. is coming for it.

That means every specialty is on the table. And I'm not saying this to scare you. I'm saying it, because most doctors are still walking around like A.I. is some far-off sci-fi threat, but it's not. It's already here.

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CORNISH: OK. Joining me now to discuss is Charlotte Blease. She's an associate professor at Sweden's Uppsala University, and she's the author of a new book, "Dr. Bot: Why Doctors Can Fail Us and How A.I. Could Save Lives."

So, we were just talking about the pressure on doctors and the fact that there are still a lot of errors and a lot of misdiagnoses. Lots of women talk about that, as well.

CHARLOTTE BLEASE, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, UPPSALA UNIVERSITY: yes.

CORNISH: What are the -- the ways A.I. could deal with that diagnosis issue?

BLEASE: So, thinking first about the problems. A.I. could be -- help solve some of the problems here. And there are very human problems with -- with medicine.

For example, keeping up to date with information. I made a calculation a couple of years ago. There's a new biomedical article published every 39 seconds. If doctors were to read 2 percent of these, it would take them 22 hours per day.

CORNISH: So, doctors would have to read 22 hours a day of medical research just to be up to date.

BLEASE: Absolutely.

CORNISH: Never mind just basic knowledge.

BLEASE: Yes, and this is where A.I. could help, because it can crunch through information at breakneck speed.

That doesn't mean to say that A.I. is without problems. But the key issue here is who or what could do a better job of delivering health care?

And when we think about that question, we need to think about it in terms of different tasks. Diagnosis is one. Gathering information from patients is another one. Patients pour their hearts out to machines, and that can be a good thing. because they give more information away that might -- but it could --

CORNISH: Yes. But you were talking that we, since we self-censor with human doctors sometimes. Right? We're embarrassed to explain certain things. And that that would be different, or people at least, we know, speak differently to chatbots.

BLEASE: We've known this since the 1960s. Sort of as early as I was putting a patient in front of a computer, there's been recognition that patients say more. They don't save face.

Eighty-five percent of Americans admit to lying or massaging the truth with their doctor. Why? Because they're sitting in front of a comparatively high-status individual, and they're worried about embarrassment. They don't want to be judged.

And also, they don't want to ask too many questions of their doctor, because they don't want to appear stupid.

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CORNISH: Yes, they're intimidated.

BLEASE: Yes.

CORNISH: This leads me to the flip side. Already we have heard of people falling into real trouble, mental health-wise, with chatbots.

Some of it has to do with the fact that, like, it kind of confirms the thing you're already saying. And it feels like, in the diagnosis space, there's a -- there would be danger of that.

BLEASE: I think there's real challenges here. I mean, my book isn't a love letter to technology either. We've got to consider the fact that A.I. can be people-pleasing. It can be obsequious. There's a whole cluster of biases that can persist.

And the opportunity here, however, is to see if we can. It's very hard to de-bias people, particularly in frenetic environments. And it's also hard to spot bias, for example, in yourself.

CORNISH: Yes.

BLEASE: We're always better at spotting it in other people. This is where there could be an opportunity with technology to -- but we have to work hard at that to see if we can find ways to de-bias these tools, to reduce inequality in healthcare. But that's a very big concern. And it's going to be a big demand.

CORNISH: So, before I consult Dr. A.I. instead of Dr. Google, which I can tell my doctor really loves that I do, what has been the response from physicians as they're hearing about your book?

BLEASE: So far, they have been positive, because what I'm doing in this book is to recognize the challenges that doctors face. Of all experts, I think they have the most colossal knowledge demands placed on their shoulders. And the -- my research shows they're already using tools like ChatGPT in staggering numbers.

CORNISH: And so, they're already using the technology? You're just saying there should be, what, guardrails and formalize the process?

BLEASE: Absolutely. And I think we need more civic conversation. We need more conversations like this.

Because ultimately, if we want to use these tools, we have to decide who do we want our healthcare providers to be? Do we want it to be Google or Meta or Amazon? These are societal and political issues that we need to confront.

And I argue it's unforgivable to delay those sorts of conversations. We need to be having them now.

CORNISH: Well, thank you so much for bringing them to us, Charlotte Blease.

You can read her book now. It's called "Dr. Bot: Why Doctors Can Fail Us and How A.I. Could Save Lives."

OK, straight ahead on CNN THIS MORNING, the high court could rule on Trump's decision to issue tariffs. Why the U.S. may be forced to hand out refunds.

Plus, South Korean leaders landing in the U.S. to help ICE detainees after a massive raid on a manufacturing plant in Georgia.

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