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Coney Barrett Emerges as Swing Vote; Trump Says Domestic Violence Shouldn't Count as a Crime; Rep. Stephen Lynch is Interviewed about the Immigration Crackdown; Murdoch Family Resolves Succession Drama; Award Canceled for Tom Hanks. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired September 09, 2025 - 06:30   ET

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: Agents to resume controversial roving patrols in southern California. The justices sided with the Trump administration, reversing lower court rulings that said the stops violated constitutional protections.

And Justice Amy Coney Barrett has emerged as the swing vote to watch on a solidly conservative Supreme Court, from blocking the president's attempt to freeze nearly $2 billion in foreign aid, to siding with the court's liberals in denying a request for delayed sentencing in Trump's new -- in Trump's New York hush money case.

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JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT, SUPREME COURT: I received criticism from both sides. I don't even want to be tempted to making decisions based on whether I think they will make people elicit praise or elicit criticism.

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CORNISH: And when critics say she was supposed to be a reliable vote for President Trump on the high court, she told "USA Today," "I'm nobody's justice." Barrett's out with a new book called "Listening to the Law: Reflections on the Court and Constitution."

And here in the group chat, Susan, now's your time to shine. OK, I feel like -- well, I'm not even going to do feelings. A majority of Americans believe that political views influence the decisions of Supreme Court justices. The numbers from Pew Research tell the story, 56 percent say that the -- they're doing a fair or poor job of keeping politics out of their decision making. And yet, Amy Coney Barrett tries to basically counter that, as many justices have, to say, no, that's not the case.

SUSAN PAGE, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, "USA TODAY": Yes. Yes. Takes offense. We ask her, what would she do if Trump called her, presumably, to try to influence her voice. And she said she would ask if he had the wrong number.

But this erosion in faith in the high court is new. I mean there's always been some suspicion about the court among some. But there used to be kind of a majority feeling that the court was a -- was a legal -- it was not just another political arm of our government. And that's been lost. And you now see the court with three very reliable liberal votes and three very reliable conservative votes.

One thing that has been a little surprising about Amy Coney Barrett, in her five years on the high court, is that she has not been as reliable a conservative vote as the White House thought she would be.

CORNISH: But wouldn't we know that? I mean the Supreme Court has had something like 20 shadow docket or emergency rulings in the past several months. That means they're handing something down without us really understanding what their thinking or reasoning is.

PAGE: And that's why Justice Jackson said the answer to this court is always Trump wins. And Trump has won a lot in this court, especially the expansion of presidential authority to do things that previous presidents hadn't tried to do.

But, in fairness, the case that Justice Barrett is trying to make in her book is that that reflects forces -- larger forces in the United States. It reflects the fair judgment of the justices who have been put there. But it is a time, just as institutions like the news media under fire are no longer trusted like they were, that is also a phenomenon that the court faces.

CORNISH: But media is such a vague term, right? Whereas the justices, we're just talking about nine black robes, right? And I know, like, people campaign on whether or not Trump campaigned on, I'm going to bring x justices to the court. Democrats have been fighting about whether the court should be expanded.

Chuck, can I start with you about kind of, like, what do you hear in how she's trying to combat what is, in a way, kind of an established public perception?

CHUCK ROCHA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think she's combating the numbers that you brought up, was that there's -- they're highly unpopular, and there's more people suspect than have ever been. Let's be clear, people like me are just normal folks who are like, when they hear something they agree with, they think they're great. And when they hear things they think are a little crazy, they think they're bad. They're just seeing more of it now.

And Donald Trump's hand on this court cannot be denied. They get their jobs by being appointed by a politician. Whether they think they're political or not or they're holier than thou because they're going to interpret the law the way that they think.

CORNISH: It doesn't help that lawmakers campaign on that. Go around saying, look -- Ashley, sorry.

ASHLEY DAVIS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Well, no, I was just going to say, over the last 30 years that I've been involved in politics, every president has run on the fact that they can appoint Supreme Court justices. I don't think that's just Trump. I know we did major, major efforts to do it under the Bush White House. So, I mean, I -- remember, he got Alito and Roberts. And Roberts was supposed to be very conservative, and he's made some, you know, controversial rulings in regards to the conservatives feel that way.

The best quote I think she had, because I think she's a much stronger, more independent justice than anybody, which I think, in regards to the conservatives on the court, besides Roberts. But her -- what she said yesterday when someone was trying to talk to her about a constitutional crisis at the Supreme Court, and she was like, the Constitution looks just fine to me. And I don't know what a constitutional crisis would look like. And I just thought that she's taking the drama and the talking points --

CORNISH: They're trying --

DAVIS: Trying to --

CORNISH: Yes.

DAVIS: Talking points of what's wrong with the courts and just making it about what she feels is legally right.

And on Dobbs, and you'll probably agree with this, the reason she was so big on Dobbs is she says, I put it back in the states.

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CORNISH: Yes.

DAVIS: Not that I agreed on one way or the other on Roe versus Wade.

CORNISH: We should actually play that for people just so they can hear it in her own words, because she was asked to explain her decision. It was in a CBS interview.

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JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT, SUPREME COURT: Dobbs did not render abortion illegal. Dobbs did not say anything about whether abortion is immoral. Dobbs said that these are questions that are left to the states. All of these kinds of questions, decisions that you mentioned that require medical judgments are not ones that are -- that the Constitution commits to the court.

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PAGE: And, of course, it raises the question also, what would come after Dobbs? Would other things that -- like same sex marriage, the right to contraception, would these things also be open to a reinterpretation of what is guaranteed by the Constitution (inaudible).

CORNISH: Right, which is clear from a justice like a Clarence Thomas. You're saying that it's maybe not as clear from a Barrett?

PAGE: Well, it's not as clear with Barrett. CORNISH: Yes.

PAGE: But it opens the Dobbs decision opens the door to other reconsideration of things that people thought -- that most Americans thought were finished business, as most Americans thought abortion, as a federal -- as a constitutionally protected right, was considered and done and turned out to be incorrect. And we saw that sea change in -- in the courts.

CORNISH: Well, I think that a lot of people are going to be interested in the book. I think that the courts freshmen have been very much center stage compared to past young justices. So, stick around for that.

I want to bring up something else. This actually came up in that event at the Bible Museum. President Trump says he doesn't believe domestic violence should count as a crime. So again, he was at that Religious Liberty Commission. And the president was saying that he feels domestic violence cases are negatively impacting his D.C. crime fighting statistics.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There's no crime. They said crime's down 87 percent. I said no, no, no, it's more than 87 percent. Virtually nothing. And much lesser things. Things that take place in the home they call crime. You know, they'll do anything they can to find something. If a man has a little fight with the wife, they say this was a crime, see? So, now I can't claim 100 percent.

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CORNISH: So, President Trump insists there is zero crime in the capital since his D.C. takeover three weeks ago. According to police, there was a homicide, six stolen motor vehicles and two assault with a deadly weapon, four robberies and more than 30 thefts. That was actually on Sunday.

So, the group chat is back.

I did not expect to be talking about this out of a Bible event where you're talking in front of a bunch of faith leaders. Can I just get some initial reaction? Because we played a good chunk of it so people could hear it in his context.

ROCHA: I'd like to connect the two, talking about the Dobbs decision, Democrats saying, how does that politically use the Dobbs decision and what that court did to win a bunch of elections because women were really mad. This will also make women very mad. And don't think that Democrats, this one in particular, will make ads saying that this is the way he thinks about women, wives or your rights at home every day. His words, not mine. His words.

CORNISH: The president of the National Organization for Women has actually responded. Kim Villanueva says that the president is, quote, "blind to the domestic violence crisis in America," and that he has "showed us again what's in his heart when he called domestic violence a lesser crime."

I wanted to talk about this because, for the start of the year, there was a big fight with domestic violence groups over Justice Department cuts to grants that help their community. So, they are already nervous that he doesn't take it seriously.

DAVIS: Yes, absolutely.

I mean, listen, this is where I'm sure the staff in the room were, like, please stop talking. Obviously, this was in a different context in regards to crime and D.C. However, as Chuck said, that's going to be the talking point out of it.

PAGE: And the wording is so denigrating of the crime, right, a little fight with the wife. I think none of us, surely in our -- among our friends and among our family, we have -- we know people who have been the victims of domestic violence, and we know how devastating it can be. And we know how long the fight has been to have the legal system take it seriously.

BOLDUAN: Yes, the fights since women, in particular, were trying to stop it from being characterized in that way.

ROCHA: And it's not a step too far to then connect that as a -- as a politician or policy to what's going on with Epstein and the victims.

CORNISH: Yes.

ROCHA: Folks don't talk about the Epstein victims enough. And they were on Capitol Hill last week and made Republicans cry. So, I think that all of this around violence and women all play into a narrative that's there. When you use their own words, politicians, and not just some voiceover adds, its way more powerful.

CORNISH: All right, so according to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, an average of 24 people per minute are victims of rape, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner. And that this impacts more than 12 million women and men over the course of a year.

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I want you guys to stick with us. There's a lot to discuss.

But in the meantime, I have to say, if you are a victim of domestic violence and need help, you can call the number on the screen. It's 1- 800-799-SAFE. Again, that's 1-800-799-SAFE.

Next on CNN THIS MORNING, warnings of immigration crackdowns in Boston. We're talking live to a Massachusetts state lawmaker about these threats from the Trump administration.

Plus, West Point cancels an award for Tom Hanks. Trump calls him a woke celebrity. So, how is patriotism being redefined?

And we want to know what's in your group chat. Send it to us now on X. We're going to be talking about ours after this. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CORNISH: Boston at the -- is at the center of a new wave of immigration enforcement as ICE targets what it calls the worst of the worst.

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But it's not alone. Just yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security announced Operation Midway Blitz. It's aimed at so-called criminal undocumented migrants in Chicago. This also follows a Supreme Court decision greenlighting continued ICE arrests in L.A. without probable cause.

Now, that ruling is raising questions about how immigration enforcement could unfold in other big cities.

I'm joined now by Democratic Massachusetts Congressman Stephen Lynch.

Welcome to the program.

REP. STEPHEN LYNCH (D-MA): Good morning, Audie. Good to join you.

CORNISH: So, one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you is because you're a Democrat, I believe, who actually voted for the Laken Riley bill. Is that correct?

LYNCH: I'm sorry, say that once again.

CORNISH: You're a Democrat who's voted for the Laken Riley Act?

LYNCH: That's correct. That's correct. Yes.

CORNISH: So, how are you feeling about these ICE efforts that are supposed to go after the worst of the worst?

LYNCH: Well, that -- that's what the Laken Riley Act was as well, going after people who had committed armed robbery or caused serious harm or death to a police officer. So, this -- this whole effort is not doing any of that. As a matter of fact, last week, our congressional office in Boston, we had to come to the aid of a young woman who was mistakenly taken off a plane at Logan Airport and then found herself in Portland, Maine, at an ICE detention facility. So, attorneys in my office had to get involved to persuade ICE that she should be released. And together with her attorney, we were able to do that.

But there's been a number of these cases where people who are here legally, have rights to be here legally, who are permanent resident citizens here legally, and they've been snatched and taken to ICE facilities, you know, down in Louisiana, 1,700 miles away, you know, contrary to law.

CORNISH: So do you think, across the board, this ICE effort has gone too far? Because, obviously, Boston's going to be getting another wave. LYNCH: I do. I do. It was one thing -- you know, in the first three or

four days they targeted people with, you know, considerable records, gang members, people who had outstanding warrants, things like that. But now they're going after students. And, you know, they're changing the law, you know, overnight. So, people who, yesterday, had temporary protective, you know, status, find themselves the next day without that protective status and they're ordered to leave the country. So, this is a -- this is a far different immigration policy than we've ever had.

CORNISH: What's your response to the police unions out there? We've heard from different unions across the country who are saying, look, we need the help. We want the federal collaboration. And they are supportive, in many ways, of what the president is doing.

LYNCH: Well, we've got a very highly professional police force in Boston that we're very proud of. We've got -- we've got a collaboration ongoing with, you know, fentanyl -- anti-fentanyl trafficking. It's a -- it's a -- it's a cooperative effort between the Boston police, some of our local police forces in the towns in my district, as well as the state police and the DEA, you know, from the federal side. And that's worked very well.

But this is -- this is far different. You know, what I worry about with the deployment of National Guard to -- to these cities is, at some point we're going to have a situation like Kent State where they brought in the National Guard. We ended up with four kids dead, nine others wounded, and there was great reputational damage as well to the military because of the overuse and the misuse of military personnel in domestic situations.

CORNISH: I also wanted to talk to you because you're running for re- election. There's a nationwide conversation among Democrats about generational change in their party and questioning whether lawmakers like yourself, who have more seniority, are still effective.

I know you were passed over for the House Oversight Committee. What do you think about this conversation? Do you think you can still have the influence, et cetera, in an era where younger Democrats are starting to demand more?

LYNCH: That's always been the case, right? So, look, I think the best situation is that you have -- you have -- you don't want everybody to be new and not -- not have experience, right? You want a mix of legislators, some who have long experience, some who are brand new, but -- and may not be experienced but have high energy. I think you really need a balance of both.

In terms of my own effectiveness, you know, I'm really proud to say that I probably have more affordable housing being constructed in my district right now than any other congressional district in the country.

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So, those are some of the issues that I've been -- I've been working on.

This is a really complex job. It's not something you're going to pick up even as someone who served in the state legislature first. It's -- and it's deeply consequential to the country that we have some people with experience that actually, you know, know what's going on and have that -- that -- that experience, that knowledge of the rules, being able to get things done. So, I think you really do need a mix, yes.

CORNISH: All right, Congressman Stephen Lynch, thank you.

LYNCH: Thank you, Audie. Good speaking with you.

CORNISH: OK, the real succession drama around Rupert Murdoch's media empire has come to an end.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't even make any sense. I'm the eldest boy. I am the eldest boy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And, you know, it -- this -- it mattered to him. He wanted this to go on.

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CORNISH: In HBO's "Succession," billionaire siblings bicker over the future of their father's right wing media empire. And now it's been announced that Lachlan Murdoch, Rupert's oldest boy, will remain in charge of the family business. Three of his siblings are now exiting entirely with shares worth about $1 billion each. The announcement ends the legal battle, which pitted Rupert and Lachlan against the other siblings over the future direction of the company.

Sara Fischer is back in the group chat because she knows all about this, senior media reporter at "Axios."

OK, so, it's funny to watch it in "Succession." And it was sort of bemusing to think about people doing this in real life. But how difficult was this battle these last couple months?

SARA FISCHER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA ANALYST: Very difficult, Audie.

So, essentially, Rupert Murdoch quietly tried to remove an irrevocable family trust. Those three siblings that are being pushed out of the company, paid about $1 billion each to leave, waged war in that Nevada court. And it got very messy. You can imagine. There's probably no greater family battle than one that plays out in front of a judge. They lost that battle, Rupert and Lachlan in court.

CORNISH: How interesting.

FISCHER: And I think that's what forced them to come to this sort of settlement agreement.

But, let me tell you, this has massive consequences.

CORNISH: Oh, say more.

FISCHER: Because Fox Corp, which is the parent company not just to Fox News, but Fox Sports, Fox Entertainment, they own the most visible, highly rated cable news network in the country, one could argue --

CORNISH: Yes, so much so, I think they're being sued, right? Is Newsmax accusing them of having a monopoly?

FISCHER: They have been sued. They have -- well, that -- a judge actually tossed that suit.

CORNISH: Oh, OK.

FISCHER: But they have been, you know, in many defamation lawsuits around 2020 election lies. One could argue they've been a massively important platform for Donald Trump and other Republicans. And the reason it matters that they pushed out some of those other siblings is because they don't necessarily all share the same conservative values that Lachlan and his father do.

Famously, James Murdoch, one of Lachlan's brothers, exited "The Wall Street Journal" board in 2020 essentially over politics. So, the fact that Rupert's conservative son has the keys to the kingdom now means that these two companies will continue the same legacy that they've been doing. And that's a big deal in American media.

CORNISH: Yes.

PAGE: Are they -- are they just in lockstep, this father and this -- and this son?

FISCHER: They are.

PAGE: Are there any changes at all anywhere in this empire with Lachlan taking over everything (ph)?

FISCHER: Yes, so, politically, they're in lockstep. From an innovation perspective, Lachlan Murdoch is sharp. I've covered him. I've interviewed him. He has really transitioned Fox from a cable news behemoth to a digital first platform, especially for lifestyle programing. He's acquired podcast companies. So, Lachlan is a really smart heir apparent for the business. If you're somebody who disagrees with the politics of the company, you're not going to like that he continues to, you know, control everything.

CORNISH: Yes.

FISCHER: But he has been a very effective corporate leader for Fox.

CORNISH: OK. So, no big changes. But we've got a path for the future it sounds like.

FISCHER: Yes. Yes, absolutely. And by the way I should note, the boards of directors of both Fox and News Corp welcome this with open arms. They were very excited about this.

DAVIS: Well, he grew the company 68 percent since he took over in 2019. So, I mean, if you're a stockholder, I would be very happy that he's in (ph).

CORNISH: And we have to remember, their consolation prize is billions of dollars.

OK, so, I want to turn to something else. Actor Tom Hanks. He's not going to be honored by West Point Academy after all. The alumni association had planned to give the veterans advocate an award for outstanding citizenship. And Hanks is a big supporter of veterans causes. He's portrayed service members in movies, like "Saving Private Ryan" and "Forrest Gump."

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TOM HANKS, ACTOR: Keep those actions clear. And I'll see you on the beach.

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CORNISH: So, the West Point Association of Graduates canceled the ceremony without explanation. And under the current administration, U.S. service academies have rolled back DEI programs, canceled certain classes, and disbanded numerous affinity groups for cadets.

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For example, the National Society of Black Engineers. And President Trump, of course, praised the move. He says, "we don't need destructive woke recipients getting our cherished American awards!!!"

The group chat is back.

I think -- oh, go ahead. Look at you. You didn't even wait.

DAVIS: (inaudible).

ROCHA: Look, all of this other thing about succession. Let's talk about politics and talk about this thing. People like Forrest Gump. Let me just say that first.

CORNISH: People like Tom Hanks. Like you can ask people about Covid and say --

ROCHA: Right. They like Forrest Gump more than they like Tom Hanks, I want to argue.

CORNISH: I don't think so.

ROCHA: And I would also argue, as the common man in the Democratic Party --

CORNISH: Oh, boy.

ROCHA: Here we go. Hang on.

CORNISH: Yes.

ROCHA: Is that we may not -- voters may not understand what DE&I is, but they understand Tom Hanks and Bubba Gump and all the things and they're, like, look, this is a little petty.

CORNISH: They care about Tom Hanks.

ROCHA: Even I, Joe blow in a trailer house in east Texas, understand Tom Hanks ain't some woke freaking (ph) crazy person, right? But this is why I think this is a kickback.

DAVIS: But have you seen the comment? I mean, I -- listen, I don't really care one way or the other. And he is still getting the award, they're just canceled the ceremony is what they --

CORNISH: Oh, so you just can't talk to cadets or in public or be honored in public.

DAVIS: Yes, I think. But he has murdered Trump in regards to what he said about him over the last eight years. So, I mean, I --

CORNISH: Is it that, or is it that he also participated in Biden connected events?

DAVIS: Oh, he -- I -- I looked it up last night when I -- and he has like very much said very negative things about the president.

CORNISH: But I think the thing that would not --

ROCHA: I didn't have to look it up. I can tell you that --

CORNISH: What -- I think the question being asked is, should that matter here? If you told me Tom Hanks had a track record of being disparaging to the U.S. military and its leadership, I would have a conversation with you about that. That is actually not what's being suggested here.

FISCHER: Yes, but what you have to understand is that in the Trump world, it doesn't matter. If you take a --

CORNISH: So, you helped build a museum.

FISCHER: It doesn't matter.

CORNISH: You, like, promote countless films about the topic.

FISCHER: Think about -- think about what's happening at the Kennedy Center, right? When Donald Trump targets an institution and wants to make sure it's reflective of his values, he's going to make sure that awards are going to recipients that endorse him and his policies. That's what we've seen for the most part across the board. Doesn't matter if it's the military or arts.

CORNISH: But the value here is the military itself. FISCHER: It doesn't matter.

PAGE: And the definition of patriotism. What is the definition of patriotism? And you can go with a very narrow definition, like do you support the current occupant of the White House? But you can go with a broad one, which I think what -- is Americans have kind of traditionally aspired to do.

CORNISH: Yes. It's interesting because I think all of this conversation, you're right, ends up being about patriotism. What does it mean to be in service to the country? And when you add extra checkboxes to that, people, I think, might start to have questions. I'll be interested to see if Hanks actually responds.

DAVIS: Takes -- oh yes.

CORNISH: Yes, actually responds publicly.

DAVIS: He probably shouldn't.

CORNISH: Oh, really? You don't think Tom Hanks --

DAVIS: Then you get into like a public back and forth.

CORNISH: Yes, nobody wins.

DAVIS: And that just cheapens Tom Hanks, in my opinion.

CORNISH: All right, then let me talk about what's in your group chat. This is what was in mine.

Ashley.

DAVIS: Oh, oh, I'm first. Woohoo!

I am watching the nuclear option that Senator Thune is starting today to get 48 non-controversial bipartisan approved confirmations in the Senate. So, they should be --

CORNISH: Are these judicial confirmation?

DAVIS: No.

CORNISH: OK.

DAVIS: They won't do judicial this way. This is just 100 percent assistant secretary of HUD, or, you know, just lower level --

ROCHA: You're a nerd. You're just a nerd.

CORNISH: Actually filling out the administration. No, this matters, right?

DAVIS: No, it's a big deal. The nuclear option is --

CORNISH: Because you got to figure out who's in those jobs. DAVIS: Yes.

CORNISH: I learned this week that personnel is policy. That's what I was told in the group chat this week.

DAVIS: Oh.

CORNISH: What's your group chat?

DAVIS: Yes.

ROCHA: Oh, my gosh.

Here we go. So, on Tuesday -- on Tuesday, I've been gone so long. It's good to be back, by the way. On Sunday there was a "Washington Post" that said, the return of the rugged candidate, and it caught my attention, not because there was a brilliant quote from your favorite Mexican redneck, but because they talk about a rugged candidate. Democrats now are saying, we should run rugged guys for Congress so we can combat these bros on the right.

CORNISH: Is that just like lifting weights, or what's the deal with that?

ROCHA: Roll up your sleeves halfway, where a little gruff, be a union member.

But look, here's my message to you, because it's in my group chat, is just be you. You know more about common folks than those consultants you hired ever will. Do not try to be a Democrat, just be you for God's sakes. It's time to win some elections.

CORNISH: All right, Chuck, I'll bring you back --

DAVIS: Maybe you ought to run.

CORNISH: I know. Exactly.

ROCHA: Stop it.

CORNISH: Bring you back for a performative male segment.

OK, this side of the table, group chat.

FISCHER: OpenAI, the biggest A.I. company --

CORNISH: Oh, yes.

FISCHER: Is considering reportedly moving out of California as they face political resistance in their effort to move to a for-profit company.

CORNISH: To Texas or just --

FISCHER: Unclear. But it follows a similar path as Tesla and other companies and moving into right wing states where they think they'll have more favorable corporate policies.

CORNISH: OK, Susan, yes.

PAGE: You know, we started the show by talking about the Epstein cartoon and birthday book.

CORNISH: Yes.

PAGE: And I'm struck by, how do you know what to believe? Trump says he didn't draw it. It looks like his signature. But in a world of A.I. and with -- with memes and some of them are outrageous, like the "Apocalypse Now" one with Chicago. But some of them are very subtle. And you -- how do you figure out who you trust, what you believe, even when you see it with your own eyes?

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CORNISH: OK. And that is, obviously, a question for all of our group chats, right? That's part of our jobs.

ROCHA: We'll see it (inaudible) campaigns.

CORNISH: Exactly.

ROCHA: Is it a real candidate?

CORNISH: You guys, thank you so much. We talked about so much today.

I want to thank you for joining us today. We know you have a lot of choices of where to spend your time, and I'm glad you're here with us.

I'm Audie Cornish. And "CNN NEWS CENTRAL" starts right now.