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Jamie Brown is Interviewed about Jamaica Recovery; Trump and Greene Trade Jabs; Harvey Scolnick is Interviewed about Flight Delays and Cancellations; Trump Floats 50-year Mortgages. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired November 11, 2025 - 06:30   ET

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JIMMY FALLON, HOST, "THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JIMMY FALLON": Senators finally agreed on a deal to end the longest government shutdown in history. Yes. And besides every airport turning into a real life "Squid Game," no harm done.

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: So, the Senate voted on that bill to reopen the government with the help of eight Democrats. But it's not a done deal yet. The House now has to pass the same funding measure.

Good morning, everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. I want to thank you for joining me on CNN THIS MORNING.

It's half past the hour. And here's what's happening right now.

As we honor our veterans today, we want to tell the story of the troops who have been impacted by the shutdown. Families in every branch have felt the effects. Some forced to line up at food banks for groceries and diapers. The Military Family Advisory Network says they have gotten more than 50,000 requests for help.

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REP. JIM MCGOVERN (D-MA): The people who come here, you know, some of them are working, some of them are retired.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. Yes.

MCGOVERN: I mean, it runs the gamut.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And more so now we're seeing more that are currently serving.

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CORNISH: The warning from nonprofits today, even when the government reopens, the impact on military families could be felt for months.

And intense lake effect snow and the shutdown are creating a travel headache for people flying in and out of Chicago.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their text message says, it's weather disturbance. And I'm like, that's crap because no -- no flights are grounded.

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CORNISH: Nearly a foot of snow fell south of Chicago. And another spots, the totals topped ten inches.

And a father-daughter duo headed to bring aid supplies to Jamaica. They've actually died after their plane crashed. Surveillance video shows the plane going down just feet from this home. It happened shortly after takeoff. And the plane had made other trips to and from the island in the past week.

Now, Jamaica is still reeling from that devastating Hurricane Melissa. On this Veterans Day, dozens of former military vets have traveled to the island to support relief efforts. That includes relief teams like Team Rubicon, a volunteer organization made up of military veterans, first responders and civilian volunteers. They've been addressing needs in the nations hardest hit region, the Westmoreland Parish. And nearly two weeks after the storm, the needs are urgent.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, for right now the most important thing that I need right now, I need clothing. I have no clothes at all to change, me and my son. And we need food stuff for now. I can't even change my clothes from yesterday. So, I'm badly in need of clothes.

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CORNISH: OK, joining me now to discuss, Jamie Brown, and Army Gulf War veteran and public information officer at Team Rubicon.

Good morning. Thank you for being with us.

JAMIE BROWN, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, TEAM RUBICON: Good morning. Thank you for having us.

CORNISH: So, I understand you've got around 21 volunteers right now, the majority of them U.S. veterans. Can you talk about what you guys were seeing when you first got to the parish? I'm not even sure how you got there, how you were able to push your way through.

BROWN: Yes, it was a long road. We had to go around the north side of the island to get here. The southern route was completely blocked off when we got here. And today it's still somewhat closed off. They are making progress on clearing the routes on the southern route. But it's a -- it's a difficult go. So, that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a lot of power lines, power poles, trees, debris in the roadways and all over the place. And that's creating a lot of hazards. And it's creating difficulties with travel.

CORNISH: I know that Team Rubicon has been to other places after disasters, even other islands. Can you talk about what the skills are that former military officers bring in these moments?

BROWN: So, primarily what we bring to the table is our ability to work in austere environments under uncertain circumstances, and to be able to execute and get things done in those types of environments. And, of course, the teams that we're bringing down are highly skilled in what they do. For instance, I'm with a mobile medical team today and it's populated with doctors, nurses, paramedics, all trained in emergency and trauma care. We also have chainsaw teams out here on the -- on the -- on the western side of the island who are doing route clearance and clearing landing pads so that the government, other NGOs and such can get into the areas that have been restricted access since the storm came through.

So, these are highly skilled people and they bring a lot of environmental knowledge in these types of circumstances.

CORNISH: The U.S. has provided, I think, upwards of 12 million to Jamaica. Can you talk about, based on what you're seeing, what are the issues that need to be addressed? We heard someone mention clothing, but is it road clearing?

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Is it infrastructure? Where are you seeing need?

BROWN: It's all of that. So, Jamaica was not prepared for a category five hurricane. I don't think any place in the world is prepared for a direct hit from a category five hurricane. So, right now, yes, we're seeing the roads need to be cleared. We need to get rid of the debris. We need to open those up and get access in.

Second to that, it comes down to food, water, shelter. Just getting these folks fed, getting them clean water to drink and then shelter. Many, many people lost their homes. And with their homes, they lost all of their belongings. The staff at the hospital that we're augmenting in Savanna-la-Mar, for instance, many of them are sleeping in their cars at night and then coming in and working long, long days to help the local communities there.

So, those are kind of the primary things that we're seeing. Of course, there are myriad other issues that go along with that, that we have to deal with. But primarily that's the core of what we're seeing.

CORNISH: Jamie, you've given to your country. Can you talk about why you continue to do this work.

BROWN: For me personally, this type of work, it's about purpose. It's about meaning. It's about being able to go out into the world and take the skills that I learned in the military and apply them in a way that has positive impact out there. Whether it's domestic in the U.S. or it's out here in Jamaica or it's the other side of the planet, being able to have a positive impact on the world that we live in is really what this is about, and taking those skills out there into the field.

CORNISH: Well, Jamie, thank you so much for your support and for your work in Jamaica. And thank you on this Veterans Day.

BROWN: Thank you for having us.

CORNISH: In the meantime, there appears to be trouble in paradise between President Trump and one of his biggest supporters. Marjorie Taylor Greene has been spoken -- outspoken in her criticism of her own party in Congress of late. And now she's turning up the heat on the president, saying that he needs to focus less on foreign policy and more on the homefront.

And this comes after Trump met with the president of Syria in a closed-door Oval Office meeting yesterday. Greene posted on X, "I would really like to see nonstop meetings at the White House on domestic policy, not foreign policy and foreign country's leaders."

Trump actually responded.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't know what happened to Marjorie. She's a nice woman, but I don't know what happened. She's lost her way, I think.

So, when somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's now catering to the other side, I don't know what, you know, I guess she's, you know, got some kind of an act going, but I'm surprised at her. But when somebody like Marjorie goes over and starts making statements like that, it shows she doesn't know.

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CORNISH: So, in a statement to CNN, Greene says, "I haven't lost my way. I'm 100 percent America first and only."

Group chat is back.

Penny, help me understand what's going on in your world.

PENNY NANCE, CEO AND PRESIDENT, CONCERNED WOMEN FOR AMERICA: Oh, my gosh, so much.

CORNISH: Why -- I've heard -- obviously, there's been this conversation that perhaps she is disappointed that the president didn't back her effort to go statewide in Georgia. But at a certain point, it feels like there's a tiny bit of a split here. Why do you think that is?

NANCE: I think she's working actively to undermine the president. I think she didn't -- perhaps she didn't get what she wants. I don't really know what's at the bottom of it. But I do know that she's chosen to become anti-Israel, to become anti-Semitic, to align herself more with someone like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, and to join a part of the right that are -- there's a lot of -- of discord within. There's -- within the Republican Party there's a lot of conversation about the future of our party and, frankly, a cancer that is growing on our party. And the anti --

CORNISH: We've -- yes, we've been talking about that on this show.

NANCE: Thank you. You did.

CORNISH: And I think one of the things that's interesting is she -- she hasn't talked as much, I think, about Israel the way the people are talking about it the way you mentioned. I'm not excusing her in any way. But she has specifically undermined the president on inflation and prices. And you keep hearing posts from Democrats where they're like, I guess I agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene today. Like they're sort of taking advantage of it.

CHUCK ROCHA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Good God almighty. I was writing my notes, coming over here, going, am I really going to say something nice about Marjorie Taylor Greene tonight -- this morning? But -- but --

CORNISH: You guys can switch seats.

ROCHA: Exactly right.

So, the bottom line of this, in my opinion, politically, it's always the politics for me, is what I talked about. Like, Marjorie is -- give her all of the things. She ain't stupid. But she understands what people across America said on Tuesday, and what they keep saying. Whether they're Republicans or Democrats, voting one way or the other is, stuff is too high. And she's feeding into that for fundraising, for political. And your point was the most important to me was, he didn't back her to run statewide in Georgia. And I think that still sits with her.

CORNISH: OK. When the president finally says, hey, I don't know what's going on with this person, what is that a signal of? Are -- is there actual irritation in the White House?

ZOLAN KANNO-YOUNGS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: It's frustration.

CORNISH: OK.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Yes, yes, it's frustration with that.

CORNISH: Yes.

KANNO-YOUNGS: He gave a long -- I was in the Oval Office yesterday when this was asked, and he gave a long answer.

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Yes, there was that response to Marjorie Taylor Greene. But what I also thought was fascinating is, you then had him essentially defending a globalist view of the administration. He essentially said, look, if you're going to be a U.S. president, you actually have to respond to the worlds conflicts. Square that with some of what you heard from the president during the campaign. Square that with what you hear from many of his supporters talking about America first as well.

CORNISH: Yes. On foreign policy, that's --

KANNO-YOUNGS: I do think this is a source of tension, the focus on foreign policy compared to responding to domestic issues.

CORNISH: Yes. We saw it with the Iran strikes.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Yes.

CORNISH: We see it with -- in a couple of areas. Whenever the president goes further into international issues, so to speak, there is this rumbling of, like, why is he there? Why isn't he focused on the U.S.?

NANCE: Well, I mean, I think most people recognize he is president of the United States, and foreign policy is a big part of his job. We expect him to do that job well. And you can be America -- in fact, you have to be America first when you're dealing with other nations. And I think whether it's tariffs or whether it's any other foreign policy, he's done a great job with that.

CORNISH: But I think their argument is basically, you're shooting people in Venezuela. We don't know who they are, and there's no evidence.

NANCE: That are bringing drugs -- trying to bring drugs into our country.

CORNISH: But we don't have evidence and you haven't presented it in any kind of court or anything. Even meeting with the Syrian president, who used to be a jihadist, it's sort of surprising to see him move in these ways.

ROCHA: Because he's fed this base so much during the primaries. To Zolan's point, like, this is how he got elected is he went to the folks and said, we're hungry at home. Why are we spending this money overseas, in all these different places.

CORNISH: And we wouldn't talk to these people.

ROCHA: Right.

CORNISH: We wouldn't talk to these people. We wouldn't talk to these people.

ROCHA: Right. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying, that's what he said. Now he's just saying something different. So, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene are like, hang on just a second.

KANNO-YOUNGS: He also wants a Nobel Peace Prize, too. And a lot of these meetings about this are about sort of building his case for that last sort of accolade that he is hoping to get in terms of legacy right now (ph).

CORNISH: Yes.

ROCHA: (INAUDIBLE).

CORNISH: He also, I remember, said America first is what I say it is. Do I -- do I remember that during one of the other international crises. So --

KANNO-YOUNGS: Maybe a more official --

NANCE: Let's recognize that peace in the Middle East is good for the world and the United States. So, what he's doing to try to secure that, whether its bringing more Abraham Accords together, actually having -- settling the war with Gaza and Israel, bringing the hostages home, that he -- like he just did. Omer Neutra, an American hostage, just came home to his parents and was buried two days ago. Itay Chen was just brought home to his family. I mean, all of this is important to Americans. And he has both jobs to do certainly.

CORNISH: Yes, it will be interesting to see, yes, how people judge him on both of those things.

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And next on CNN THIS MORNING, President Trump wants to help Americans secure the dream of owning a home. The math ain't nothing on his 50- year mortgage proposal.

Plus, this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's an inconvenience altogether. It's just a -- it's a domino effect, right?

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CORNISH: More flights will be cut today at the busiest airports in the U.S., but is this actually helping ease the burden on air traffic controllers?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's frustrating and just hoping our politicians can come together and not act like children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't even get a text message to let me know that my flight was canceled. So, yes, it's very frustrating.

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CORNISH: So, the travel misery continues for millions of fliers as the shutdown's impact ripples through the skies. And we're already seeing hundreds of delays. It's not even 7:00 a.m. There could be more cancellations coming today as airlines are expected to increase cuts by 6 percent at 40 of the nation's busiest airports.

So, just yesterday, more than 9,000 delays and some 2,400 cancellations. That's the FAA cancellations. That's the weather. But either way, it was one of the worst days for air traffic control since the shutdown began.

All right, I want to talk more now with -- about the president, who's been threatening to dock air traffic controller pay if they don't show up for work. And then he also wants a $10,000 bonus for controllers who worked through the shutdown.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't know. I'll get it from someplace. I'll get it from -- I always get the money from someplace, regardless. It doesn't matter.

Some of them showed up early because they knew there was going to be a problem. Those people should be rewarded.

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CORNISH: Joining me now to discuss, Harvey Scolnick, a retired FAA air traffic controller.

Good morning, Harvey. Thanks for being with us.

HARVEY SCOLNICK, RETIRED FAA AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER: Good morning. Great to be here with you again.

CORNISH: I want to get your reaction to the president's comments. And there's two things to unpack there. One, he says that he should reward, that they want to reward the people who stuck it out and who showed up. But they also want to dock the pay of the people who didn't or who called in sick.

What do you think when you hear that?

SCOLNICK: Well, it's pretty sad. First of all, docking people, I'm not sure how he could even do that. Rewarding people -- what happens to the people who couldn't come to work one day because their child was sick or something and so they -- they couldn't -- they had to call in sick. So, they're not going to get the $10,000. But the other people who are fortunate enough to be able to show up every day, they're going to get it. So, that could cause friction in the -- in the workplace.

And one thing about air traffic control, in towers and trade coms (ph) and centers is that it is a teamwork operation. It is one that maybe the individual techniques in getting the job done are little -- a little different and a little unique for each person.

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But in the end, it's kind of like a, like a jazz combo. It comes together and fits.

CORNISH: I'm hearing you --

SCOLNICK: You don't want that to be destroyed.

CORNISH: Yes, it sounds like you're saying, this is divisive in a moment when I think Sean Duffy was saying you had multiples of people retiring and just kind of leaving the business altogether.

SCOLNICK: So, he said -- I think he said 15 a day. Well, you know, you don't replace that person in another day. That person doesn't get replaced for three years maybe. And so, it -- this -- all of this, unless something is done really to somehow encourage people to come back to work instead of admonishing them, you really could have an effect on the air traffic system for years to come.

CORNISH: So, with a deal on the table, that could end the shutdown. And if everything goes well, what would the new normal be? Do you think the system is ready for a busy holiday travel season?

SCOLNICK: Well, it's going to be the same as last year's holiday travel season. They're going to be delays because most of the facilities are short staffed and they're still working six days a week, ten hours a day. So, yes, the -- I think if everybody would come back to work after the -- after the shutdown ends, I think the delays will be fewer but there will still be massive delays. And I think controllers, by and large, in the -- around the country, from what I'm hearing, are very unhappy.

CORNISH: I think back to the '80s, where air traffic controllers faced kind of a backlash when the -- when they went on strike. That was a different moment politically. But do you think there's a worry that the public could start to feel like this is somehow the fault of air traffic control or that as this drags out it will become a problem for that already kind of beleaguered community of workers?

SCOLNICK: Well, you know, the air traffic controllers job is scrutinized every day more than it ever has. In the '80s, it wasn't. No one really knew what was going on, on a controller's scope or at the control -- or at -- on the runway. So, you know, when there were issues like this before where people had to come to work under -- under shortage or crisis conditions, they didn't call in sick the way people seem to be calling in today. I'm not sure what the reason for that is. Just a -- I don't want to make this political, but as an observation, it's not the same employee. It's not the same FAA.

CORNISH: What's your message to Sean Duffy? How -- about how he's handled this or what you'd like to see happen next to help -- help out this pipeline of workers? SCOLNICK: So -- so here -- here's my message. Number one, pay

everybody very quickly. I mean, the president said he can find the money. I -- you know, there's a -- there's an aviation trust fund. There's money there. You could pay them.

The second thing I would do to encourage controllers to come back to work immediately is, let's say, when the shutdown ends, and it's about to end very soon, it looks like, let's get back to the bargaining table with (INAUDIBLE) and perhaps discuss a new CBA, perhaps which would include a raise. And then maybe do something about finding people who have retired in the past three years because of the 56- year-old requirement, and see if we can't encourage them to come back to work.

I did an unscientific survey of -- on Facebook, and it seems about 25 percent of them might want to come back to work. Under the conditions today, under this administration, maybe not so much.

And the other thing is to wave the salary cap. There's a salary cap for federal employees. And it appears monthly. It's a yearly cap, but there's also a monthly cap. Wave that for the people who go over that each month. That's my --

CORNISH: All right, Harvey, a lot of suggestions there. Thank you.

SCOLNICK: A lot of suggestions.

CORNISH: All right. And, Harvey Scolnick, thanks so much for talking with us.

SCOLNICK: Thanks for having me.

CORNISH: OK, this one's for those of you at home who are maybe struggling to buy a house. President Trump has a new plan for you.

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KEVIN HASSETT, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL: Fifty year fixed is often a great way to build early equity. But don't forget that you get the equity if the price goes up. And, on average, prices have tended to increase.

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CORNISH: So, the plan is to offer 50 year mortgages, something President Trump promoted over the weekend by comparing himself to FDR. The plan stretches your mortgage over five decades, giving you lower monthly payments. Here's the catch. You're going to pay roughly double in total interest.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's not even a big deal. I mean, you know, you go from 40 to 50 years, and what it means is you pay --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, 30 to 50, yes.

TRUMP: You pay something less. From 30 -- some people had a 40, and then the -- now they have a 50. All it means is you pay less per month. You pay it over a longer period of time. It's not like a big factor.

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CORNISH: Group chat is back.

KANNO-YOUNGS: I mean you've seen real estate developers happy about this proposal. You have seen -- many Republicans that are reacting with some mixed emotion here. I've seen a lot of anger towards Bill Pulte as well, who leads the Housing Finance Agency and apparently spearheaded this proposal. I thought it was very interesting that when the president was asked about this on Fox News, he almost played it down and was like, look, it's not a big deal here as well, which seems like --

CORNISH: Yes. I mean to a real estate developer, maybe not, right? Like, to him, he's like, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. I was like, oh, yes.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Right. If you're paying it. Right. Right.

CORNISH: Maybe when you're in your 80s that seems not that bad.

ROCHA: Remember that time when they had mortgages that you didn't have to pay much up front, but you had to pay it all at the end, and it blew up the entire market. This is something kind of like that. Your graph showing that you'd pay twice what it was over 50 years. Folks should just have access to affordable houses. In the last ten years I've had to help two people buy houses. One was my mama, and the second was my son, because they couldn't do it by themselves. I have the privilege now. I make a little bit of money. So, with my help with them, with my income and theirs, they could own a home. It shouldn't be that hard in America to own a home.

CORNISH: OK. There's two things to unpack there. But first I want to start with reaction.

Here's James Fishbach. He's the CEO of Azoria Investments. I wanted to play this because this is one of the more sort of fiery reactions to this idea and what it would mean for people to take on these kinds of terms, where they'd end up just paying so much more in interest payments.

Here he is.

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JAMES FISHBACK, CEO, AZORIA INVESTMENTS: We are Americans. We are not slaves. We are not slaves to the plantation owner. We are not slaves to China. And we are not slaves to Wall Street. This 50-year mortgage idea is a spit in the face.

When my dad was growing up in the 1960s, half of 30-year-olds, half of them, were married and owned their home. Today, only 15 percent of 30- year-olds are married and own their home. If you can't own your home, you can't get married. If you can't get married, you can't have kids.

This is an insult. This is a genocide against the gen z generation.

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CORNISH: I don't love the word genocide thrown around randomly, but I also think coming off of this affordability election, there's something here where people immediately can sense if something is not going to be in their economic favor.

NANCE: Yes, well, most young people can't afford to buy a house, and most parents can't afford to help them buy a house. So, I think what the president is trying to do, I think he was just trying to come up with ideas to help young people get into the market, start to build equity. He's talked a lot about lowering interest rates, which would go a long way further than increasing the interest they're going to have to pay over 50 years for the loan.

But also, you know, let's take into mind that, you know, your house grows in equity and is worth more over time. Sometimes a lot, like when my first house, it doubled in about three years. That's not normal.

CORNISH: Yes. Would that matter, though, if your interest rate -- like, how long it's stretched out.

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NANCE: No, but when you sell it, you know, you can -- you can, you know, perhaps go down, whatever.

CORNISH: I think this is a hard sell.

NANCE: But I'm just saying, I think that -- I don't love the idea, don't get me wrong.

CORNISH: OK.

NANCE: But I'm not saying the idea is a great one necessarily. But what I'm saying is, I think his heart is in the right place.

CORNISH: Yes.

NANCE: Because young people are struggling. Let's recognize that. And lower interest rates would be extremely helpful. And also not having to put so much down. Twenty percent? That's too much.

CORNISH: OK. We'll see what people say on social media. That's where everyone is going to tell us how they're feeling.

I want to talk about what is in your group chats, folks. And can I start with you, Zolan?

KANNO-YOUNGS: Sure. I was at the Commanders' game on Sunday, and was there when Air Force One did the flyover as well. Everyone around me was asking, is he actually in the plane? Of course he's in the plane. It just flew over.

But there's a story behind this too, that ESPN broke, where apparently the White House has been pushing to get the president's name on the new stadium that would be built in D.C. That would probably require approval, or it would require approval from D.C. city council and park service. Whether it happens, we'll see. But I think it speaks to just the legacy building he's trying to do, put his name everywhere, not just the ballroom, not just gold in the Oval Office, but trying to also, you know --

CORNISH: Put his stamp on the city itself.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Put a stamp on the city itself.

CORNISH: OK, Penny, how about you?

NANCE: This morning I was encouraging my family with a message of faith and encouragement. So, Proverbs 3:5 and 6. "trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not into your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your path."

CORNISH: I think you and my mom are in the same text message group because she sends me, like --

NANCE: oh, yes. Yes, similar -- similar message.

CORNISH: Yes, scriptures.

NANCE: Yes.

CORNISH: OK, Chuck, what about you?

ROCHA: I'm going to make a hard turn and talk about "Landman" two coming out this weekend. Y'all need to get some "Landman." This is my girl, Demi Moore. And for --

CORNISH: Your girl? Do you know each other?

ROCHA: That's right. Can you see how good we'd be together? "Landman" three, Chuck Rocha on the TV. That's what America would like in "Landman" Three.

CORNISH: You know, it's not just about the hat, right? There's an actual --

ROCHA: Have you heard me talk? Have you heard -- I can't tie a tie. Have we talked about this? Like, this would be for me. "Landman" is the greatest American novel ever told in west Texas. Look at this. You --

[07:00:00] CORNISH: I can tell from the images here. It is giving literary --

ROCHA: All the things. This is where higher learning happens is on the "Landman."

KANNO-YOUNGS: This was what Jerry Jones was in?

ROCHA: Yes. Yes.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Yes, Jerry Jones, making --

ROCHA: Plus, he is the original "Landman," yes.

CORNISH: OK, what, everybody knows about "Landman" but me?

ROCHA: See. That's what I'm saying, I'm (ph) connected with the kids.

CORNISH: What is happening here?

ROCHA: Come on now.

CORNISH: The kids. It's Billy Bob Thornton.

ROCHA: Billy -- oh, well, he's a little old. My bad.

CORNISH: OK, guys, thank you for this group chat. Thank you for waking up with us. I'm Audie Cornish, and the headlines start now.