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Ranchers Angry about Tariffs Pause on Meat; Writer E.J. Dickson is Interviewed about the Clancy Trial; Rep. Hakeem Jeffries Defends Meeting with Jared Kushner; No Politics in Remembering Dolly Parton. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired August 26, 2026 - 06:30   ET

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: OK, so cattle ranchers and some top Republicans have a beef with President Trump. They're angry about his decision to temporarily pause his tariffs on imported beef in an attempt to lower grocery prices.

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JUSTIN TUPPER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL CATTLEMEN'S BEEF ASSOCIATION: We don't think bringing in a bunch of foreign beef that their cost of production, how they do things in their country way different than us will lower the price. It'll just help the big four packers, which happen to be three of the four majors are foreign owned, it'll help them and their bottom line, but it'll do nothing but hurt American ranchers.

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CORNISH: The U.S. is facing a 75 year low in cattle inventory. The White House insists that the pause in beef tariffs is only a short- term fix.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We want to get the beef prices down. So, we'll get them down a little bit. And that's what people want. That's what the voters want. And that's what I want. The ranchers are great. They're my people. I love the ranchers. They've done a fantastic job, but they admit that we need a little help.

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CORNISH: Antjuan, I see you just licking your chops as it's said, excited to talk about this one.

ANTJUAN SEAWRIGHT, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, so much for the America first agenda. That's number one.

Number two, farmers are getting the finger. The middle finger. American farmers are getting the middle finger thanks to this administration. Farmers are experiencing their worst financial crisis since the 1980s.

Now you have the president saying we're going to import beef. We've seen this movie before, 30,000 pounds of Argentina beef recalled in April of 2025. The FDA fired most of the staff doing the inspection. So, as a result, we've had over 200 recalls on foods that everyday Americans are experiencing. Trump lies and people die. We've had people die because of their lack of action at that level. And so that's very serious.

CORNISH: OK, Terry, let me let you answer to that. It's pretty specific.

TERRY SCHILLING, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN PRINCIPLES PROJECT: Well, what -- look, the thing that's dying here is our cattle. We've had a drought, a severe drought in America.

CORNISH: Yes. We're going to put up some of the reasons on the screen while you're talking.

SEAWRIGHT: So, you mean climate change is a real issue?

SCHILLING: No, I -- I (INAUDIBLE).

CORNISH: High operating costs, disease restrictions, high selling prices, but to you point, severe drought.

SCHILLING: I think he's being practical here. And look, he's put forward plans to keep more money at home, rebuild our industries. But were have a 75-year cattle shortage. And here's where it gets home for me is, I'm from the quad cities. There's a meatpacking plant, a beef packing plant in -- jobs in Illinois, Tyson's factory. They just shut down and they said it was because of the cattle shortage. They didn't say it was Trump's tariffs. We're short on cattle. We need to bring in cattle. We need to be practical. And if we don't bring in cattle, then you're really going to see prices skyrocket and (INAUDIBLE).

SEAWRIGHT: So, let's be practical for a second. Do you think this 90 day pause as we get closer to the election, ironically, is going to change the fact that we have a cattle shortage in this country? And how do we know what we're importing is beef? And how do we know people are not going to die as a result? They fired staff doing the inspections.

SCHILLING: We've done these things before. We've done these things before. We can do hard things, Antjuan. I think you know that. And we have to solve this. I -- what's the solution then to solve the beef shortage?

CORNISH: All right, then let me jump in, because that is a question being asked by Iowa Rep., this is Ashley Hinson. She was asked on Sunday about this plan, because keep in mind, beef prices since 2021 are up 57 percent.

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REP. ASHLEY HINSON (R), IOWA SENATE CANDIDATE: I actually spent the last week at the Iowa State Fair and was with our cattlemen when that news came out on Friday. So, as you can imagine, got some pretty swift feedback here in Iowa from our producers.

I definitely want to see those prices come down, because I do think it is a consumer issue. We need to focus on affordability. But I think this isn't the way to do that. I think we need to focus on helping our cattlemen grow their herd.

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CORNISH: So, she's Republican and she's saying --

TAMARA KEITH, SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, NPR POLITICS: Yes. Oh, she's a Republican.

CORNISH: I mean, she -- in a way, she's asking the same thing as you, well, what are you going to do? But what it means is, if you're literally standing next to the butter cow and you have to look at the cattle ranchers and say, sorry, not -- terrorists (ph), but not -- like it seems hard.

KEITH: She is not just a Republican. She is a Republican running for office in 2026. And the --

CORNISH: You've taken one more thing from her.

KEITH: The response from Republicans and from the cattle industry, but the response from Republicans on this is the very rare thing that the president has done that has gotten incredible pushback, so much pushback that they're not just like, oh, you got bad advice. They're like, we told you not to do this, and you did it anyway, and we think it's a bad idea. There's just so few things in politics right now in this country where Republicans push back on the president like this.

CORNISH: Well, one thing for me is, you've told people for months and months and months that tariffs don't cause prices to go up, and then you come out and you say, I want to lower prices, so, I'm going to pause these tariffs.

SCHILLING: Right.

CORNISH: Like, it feels as though you've just told everyone the quiet part very loudly.

SCHILLING: Well, so I -- again, no one has argued that tariffs don't increase prices.

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What we argue is that --

SEAWRIGHT: Was that a lot of Republicans --

KEITH: Except the president --

SCHILLING: Yes, hold on, hold on, hold on. SEAWRIGHT: That -- no, the president is making that same argument

every day.

SCHILLING: Long term -- long term it -- there will be adjustments. But here's the thing.

SEAWRIGHT: Oh, now it's adjustments.

SCHILLING: OK, so here's the thing. This is about keeping more money here, more of our industries here. It's about rebuilding America.

But here's the thing. I find it rich. I still remember when the new leader of the Democratic Party, AOC, was pushing the Green New Deal, which was going after red meat and basically making it illegal and jacking up -- the thing is, the Democrats can attack Trump on all these side effects for increases in these prices, but the design of the Democratic Party is to increase gas prices, increase electricity rates, and increase the cost of beef.

SEAWRIGHT: Well --

SCHILLING: That's the reality.

SEAWRIGHT: Well --

SCHILLING: And that's your actual platform. That's the feature of your platform as the Democrats and not a bug (ph).

CORNISH: But if Republican consultants are going to start making ads about the economy, what are they going to say?

SEAWRIGHT: Terry, it's the --

KEITH: I mean, I know what they're going to say.

CORNISH: Oh, tell me.

KEITH: They are going to say that Democrats wanted to raise your prices. They wanted to raise your taxes because they voted against the president's one big beautiful bill.

CORNISH: Yes. Yes.

KEITH: That is the economic focus.

CORNISH: So, the -- you won't be like, those prices are up anyway. Yes.

KEITH: It is -- they are not -- they are -- yes, they are not going to talk about grocery prices coming down unless you talk about eggs. They're not going to talk about wages needing to go up. They're going to focus on the things that the president and Republicans did with this one big, beautiful tax bill, which is deeply unpopular when you look at the polls. They never sold it.

SEAWRIGHT: Well, it's the -- it's the big ugly bill and Americans are feeling the --

CORNISH: I don't know if that caught on, but, yes, it did.

SEAWRIGHT: Americans are feeling the (INAUDIBLE).

But I want to -- I want to push back on two things too. I think it's lazy for you to say that we've done hard things before and it has not caused harm. Thirty thousand of beef, 30,000 pounds of beef have been recalled twice in this country because of Donald Trump's action. The president promised on day one he was going to lower prices. He was going to take care of these working-class people, like farmers, et cetera. And that's backfired. That's why you have so many farming communities pissed off with this president because of his lack of action, lack of attention. And then you want to argue about the drought, and we don't agree, but you're the same party who does not agree that the climate crisis is real in this country. So, you can't -- you can't have it both ways, Terry.

SCHILLING: We agree (ph). And you know who don't agree that the climate crisis is a big deal is American people. The American voters, only three percent of them in -- even the Democratic primaries are saying that climate change is a top issue for them. So even Americans, even the left has lost the argument around why we need to increase taxes on our energy use.

SEAWRIGHT: So, the droughts -- so the drought is happening for no reason?

SCHILLING: The drought is not happening because of climate change. And by the way, the climate is always changing. It's just not going to be solved --

SEAWRIGHT: So, the climate is changing.

SCHILLING: The climate is always changing. It's been -- it's been changing since before you --

CORNISH: OK. Since we are literally fighting over the cost of beef, which, by the way, still up for you at home, whether this policy discussion improves it or not. And I want to talk about something we can all actually agree on, right? I want to talk about the legacy of Dolly Parton, because she was a little bit country, a little bit pop, a little bit rock and roll. Most of all, she was American. So, we're going to talk about how she became someone who united us.

But first, we've got this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am having a wonderful time with all of the demonstrations of you connecting the dots and putting the whole pieces to the puzzle together, but none of it matters, guys.

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CORNISH: The amateur sleuths have descended on the murder trial with viral conspiracies. We're going to talk about the culture writer about why she says those theories are taking off.

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CORNISH: Let me give you this update. The final rebuttal witnesses are expected in the trial of Massachusetts mother Lindsay Clancy, who was accused of murdering her three children. The defense does not argue that -- against her killing her kids, but that she suffered from severe postpartum psychosis and should not be held responsible for the deaths. The internet has a whole different take.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have to blame the adults around her because she said that she feels she wants to harm the children. She said it multiple times to her husband and her mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know a good 99.9 percent of the internet believes that her husband, Patrick, actually did all of this. Even if you're right, it doesn't even matter. Her own attorney, in his opening statement, told the jury, she killed her kids. She did it. We're not here to argue that.

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CORNISH: As one culture writer puts it, "the Patrick Clancy conspiracy theories are rooted in the harsh realities of motherhood."

Joining me now, the author of that article is E.J. Dickson, senior culture writer at "Wired" and also the author of, quote, "One Bad Mother: In Praise of Psycho Housewives, Stage Parents, Momfluencers and Other Women We Love to Hate."

I wanted to talk to you because, despite the viciousness, the scariness of this crime, she's not necessarily turning into someone that people hate, right? Like, instead, we're seeing this online movement and dialog around her. And why do you think that is?

E.J. DICKSON, SENIOR CULTURE WRITER, "WIRED": I think a lot of women who have had children have tremendous empathy for Lindsay Clancy. You saw that in the courtroom a couple of weeks ago when there were hundreds of women flooding out in pink t-shirts showing support for her outside of the courtroom.

I think a lot of women feel a lot of frustration with being -- feeling abandoned postpartum by health care systems, by their partners, by their social support nets as a whole. And I think that's sort of where this outpouring of sympathy for Lindsay Clancy is coming from.

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CORNISH: Why the focus on the husband?

DICKSON: I think it's easy for people to focus on the husband, in part because men do commit the majority of violent crimes against children. So, there is sort of this script in true crime that that scenario is following.

I think that a lot of it has to do with Patrick's behavior on the stand. You know, he doesn't necessarily come off -- he comes off a little bit aloof, a little bit detached. So I think that kind of serves as a canvas for people who -- especially people who have watched a lot of true crime to kind of project their own conspiracy theories onto him.

But I think overall really what it comes from is a great deal of frustration with -- that women have with their male partners postpartum. I have seen so many women speak out on social media saying they felt abandoned postpartum. They had these horror stories about being emotionally or physically abused or being left by their partners in the months after having a child. I think a lot of this has nothing to do with Patrick at all. I think it really has to do with a lot of misplaced frustration that women have toward their partners.

CORNISH: One last thing. I want to bring up this. I'm seeing some -- especially kind of in conservative circles, people talking about this dialog online. You had Sean Davis from "The Federalist" saying, "I don't want psychopaths who defend a child murder on my side. I want them institutionalized." Matt Walsh saying, "I've gone deep in the rabbit hole of psychotic women on the internet who are rallying to Clancy's defense and, in some cases, outright exalting and celebrating her. This case is like the female equivalent of black activists defending Karmelo Anthony. Really dark stuff. This is a sickness in our culture."

DICKSON: I think it is reflective of a sickness in our culture. I think it's reflective of a different type of sickness that Matt Walsh is -- than the one that Matt Walsh is referring to, though. I think that it's reflective of a sickness in our culture where mothers feel so unsupported and so completely isolated and alone that they can empathize with a woman who has committed one of -- you know, the greatest atrocity of all, who felt that she had no other choice because she felt so failed by the medical establishment and by her family and by her support system every step of the way. I think it reflects an inherent perversity in the condition of what it means to be a postpartum mother in the United States that so many women are flooding out in support of her and empathizing with her and sharing their own stories. And I think it highlights a really deep structural problem that we're not talking about.

CORNISH: That's E.J. Dickson. You can find her writing in "Wired." And encourage you to check out her book. It's called "One Bad Mother."

Thank you so much for being with us.

I'm going to turn to this political story. Remember House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries meeting in a closed door session with Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner? Well, "The New York Times" first reported this meeting, and then it kicked off this massive outcry from people in Jeffries' party.

On CNN Tuesday, the New York Democrat was asked if anything was actually accomplished in those talks. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES (D-NY): No, it was just a high-level, topical conversation, particularly focused on affordability, as well as the housing bill that was recently passed and enacted into law as a foundation for the type of thing that perhaps can be built upon moving forward.

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CORNISH: OK, group chat is back.

I know, Antjuan, that you are -- you are going to defend this. You're very upset. But let's give people a sense of how frustrated folks are online. What are you seeing? Why, to you politically, did this strike a nerve?

KEITH: Jared Kushner is not even an employee of the White House or of the government. He is this outside advisor. He is the president's son- in-law, who has a lot of business interests.

CORNISH: Who's negotiating in the Middle East.

KEITH: And -- yes. And is better known, this term at least, for his work negotiating the Middle East.

You know, I think that what Democrats -- angry Democrats want is for there to be investigations into people like Jared Kushner if Democrats take control of the House.

CORNISH: Let me give you an example. James Carville, we love -- we just wheel it out. We wheel it out at the time. "Politics War Room" podcast. This was his take. Antjuan, you speak coming right -- right after, OK.

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JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: These are a pack of crooks and a pack of people that don't give a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) about the United States of America. And we don't want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with them. They want to meet with them. Don't meet with them. Don't have anything to do with them. Say any business we have, it's going to be conducted with you under oath subject to aggressive discovery.

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SEAWRIGHT: I think it's stupid that we even having this discussion.

First of all, Hakeem Jeffries is the minority leader. We have no power in Washington. So, for the folks online who think that somehow or another we can rein these people in and make these people testify and cause all these things to happen today, they're stupid and out of touch. How you govern and how you campaign are two different things. And that's very important to note. No one gave two flying kites about who Nancy Pelosi met with when she was leader. No one knew who she met with. So, I think it's unfair to try to criticize Hakeem.

I'm old enough to remember, and you are too, Vernon Jordan, who was the man who ran the Clinton White House. Most people met with Vernon Jordan before they met with anyone officially in the White House. This is not some new phenomenon. That's like, other thing.

The fact of the matter is, Jared Kushner and Hakeem worked together on the First Step Act in the first iteration of the Trump White House. They had a relationship. And Hakeem Jeffries does not owe white progressives online any explanation for who he meets with. This is Washington. There will be a split.

CORNISH: Can I just jump in with one thing?

SEAWRIGHT: But can I make one quick point.

CORNISH: No, hold on. James Carville is not a white progressive online, OK? That man is rocking his chair from the moderate wing of the party.

SEAWRIGHT: He is. He --

CORNISH: No, he has very much been very critical of the way left activists demand things. So, when he comes out and says, look, if you're going to have the House soon, get ready for your gavel. Get ready. This is not getting ready. Why is that not a fair criticism?

SEAWRIGHT: But when I'm saying he's one of them because he's taking their approach. That does not mean that Jamie Raskin and Robert Garcia cannot investigate Jared Kushner because there was a meeting. Like, I think that's silly. And no one is saying anything about the fact that we're going to have a split Washington, D.C., when Democrats take over. Jeffries is going to have to meet with the president and the White House and people like Jared Kushner to get things done.

CORNISH: OK, Terry looks ready.

SCHILLING: Well, I find it interesting, because I don't think the Democrats are going to be able to say that the Trump administration isn't taking affordability seriously anymore because that's what they were meeting about partially. And that's what Hakeem Jeffries is saying. So, now the Democrats are in a position where they have to keep attacking, unfairly, the Trump administration, when Trump is obviously opening up bipartisan doors to work with Hakeem Jeffries on affordability.

SEAWRIGHT: Well, that's not true because Trump did not sign the bipartisan --

SCHILLING: Hakeem Jeffries just said that.

SEAWRIGHT: He also said that Trump did not sign the bipartisan housing bill. He let it go into law. The other thing is they met about affordability. Did not mean that Jared Kushner and the White House agreed to work on affordability issues.

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CORNISH: We're not at the -- hold on, guys, we're not at the midterms yet, but it feels like this is the prolog to the midterm conversation. Meaning, what does it mean for Democrats to hold any gavel? OK, it might still be split, but will you have power? And what do you do with that power?

KEITH: Yes. And in talking to Democrats, they are trying to figure out how to message on what they want to do without overpromising because, again, there will be divided government.

SEAWRIGHT: A split Washington.

KEITH: If Democrats take control of either house, either chamber of commerce -- Congress, they are still not going to have the White House. And the thing about this Jared Kushner meeting is, he's going out there. He's the one who has shown an interest and a willingness to do some bipartisan work.

CORNISH: Kushner.

KEITH: Kushner.

CORNISH: Yes.

KEITH: I haven't seen President Trump show much interest in any sort of bipartisan work. I mean --

CORNISH: Yes, but is it the act of sending -- I feel like anytime he wants something, he sends the son-in-law. And if he can sit down with the Board of Peace --

KEITH: I mean, why can't the president sit down with the minority leader?

CORNISH: Fair.

SEAWRIGHT: He can't because Donald Trump has to uphold a certain image and attack Hakeem Jeffries, but he can send a signal that I know we're going to lose, so let me try to find a way to create a relationship. That meeting would not have happened if Republicans did not have a sense they're going to lose the midterms, period, point blank.

SCHILLING: No. No, no, no. No, look, this is how it works. This is -- this is the world we live in. Democrats do the same thing. And look, President Trump wants to get to work any way he can. And if he can send Jared Kushner, who is a great ambassador to the Democratic Party. His dad was a major Democrat in New York. And he's the best person to go and build a bridge to the other side.

SEAWRIGHT: So, you would acknowledge the fact that people like Kushner play an outsized role in what happens in the White House. So, it's common sense for Kushner to perhaps meet with Jeffries because they have a relationship. You would -- you acknowledge that. SCHILLING: Oh, I don't disagree with the meeting. I think Jared

Kushner was firmly in his right. And it's not a bad thing.

CORNISH: Also, the world of Terry is not complaining about this. Like, I mean, ye, like, we're not fighting you on this. We're just wondering why it struck a nerve.

SEAWRIGHT: No, but I'm -- no, I just want to say, I'm -- no, I'm making a broader point that these things happen on a regular. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez meets with Republicans on a regular and find common ground on things that they care about. This is not -- this is not some new phenomenon to watch.

CORNISH: OK.

SEAWRIGHT: And I think -- I think Jeffries gets unfair criticism is the point I'm making by certain segments of the Democratic population.

CORNISH: Well, then, you're going to like this because I finally found somebody that there is no segment that has criticism, OK. I'm talking about Dolly Parton. Not only was she a cultural icon, she was one of the greats.

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She is somebody who, there was a unified response to her and her work.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If there's anything that America can agree on, it's Dolly Parton, you know. And one of the greatest rags to riches story ever in the history of music.

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CORNISH: There's no politics today, right, in remembering her. You've got people across the political spectrum saying that she was "one of a kind," "the best of America." And the president announcing that flags will be lowered to half-staff to honor her. For Parton, she was political, she was not partizan, noting she had fans on both sides of the aisle.

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DOLLY PARTON: I think everybody should be treated with respect. I don't judge people. I try not to get too caught up in the controversy of things. I hope that everybody gets a chance to be who and what they are.

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CORNISH: Group chat is back.

I wanted to talk about the way she moved in the world. She did not accept, I think, Presidential Medal of Honor of Arts from Biden or Trump, right? And she also was willing to take stands, especially in Nashville, I think, are difficult to defend given the constituency and given how the record industry there responds to people when it comes to politics. Why do you think, or how do you think she navigated these conversations?

KEITH: She was kind of above it all. She was -- she was also very controlled in how she put herself out there.

CORNISH: She did.

KEITH: While both making everybody feel seen and seeing her as deeply authentic to herself, but also was very controlled about what she put out and the decisions that she made. And, you know, being above politics is good for business and she was a smart business woman.

CORNISH: Yes. But not everyone takes that road. So, of course, when she had her -- she had a Civil War-themed dinner attraction in 2018 at Dollywood. It was called -- it had Dixie in the name, the stampede, and she just dropped the Dixie. She was like, I don't care. It's fine. Lots of people go. Later on she gave direct support to the Black Lives Matter movement. This was in 2020. And I just want to play for you how she articulated that at the time.

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DOLLY PARTON: And I'm not out here to tell you what to do. I don't want you to tell me what to do. But I just do what my heart tells me to do. I ask God to direct me and lead me. And if I've got his direction, I don't have to worry too much about any -- anything else. But I do understand people having to make themselves known and felt and seen. And of course black lives matter. Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? No. Everybody matters.

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CORNISH: One more thing I want to play for you. This was her when asked by the late Larry King -- asked by Larry King why gays are bullied. This is important because she never backed down from her sort of support and openness to the LGBTQ community.

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LARRY KING: Why are gays bullied?

DOLLY PARTON: Well, I'm not sure about all of the reasons that people act the way they do about other people. I just think we need to dig down a little deeper and try to be a little kinder to one another and accept one another for, you know, for who we are.

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CORNISH: How come she never had backlash from the right?

SCHILLING: I think she had this authenticity and sincerity about her. I will say that, you know, I'm Catholic, if the eight kids -- if eight kids didn't give it away. And Catholics have this philosophy or this charism called memento mori. And it's to think about your death because life is fleeting. And all the headlines about this being such a short cancer, she lived her life to the fullest. And she -- that woman is someone that felt very much at peace with God and was constantly, I think, probably thinking about her life and what it meant and how to live. And I think this is all the memories and people coming to her support in the -- in these final days, it really is a reflection of who she was.

SEAWRIGHT: Dolly was nonpartisan, but political as hell. And I think the authenticity of her is the one thing that connects the American tissue together. And she lived that. She used her platform for good. And she learned how to -- that familiarity breeds contentment. So, when she poked her head up on an issue, it was because it was really passion driven. And I appreciate that.

I said on Laura Coates last night, and I really believe this, issues divide us but our values unite us. She was a --

CORNISH: Yes, and she talked about her values a lot.

SEAWRIGHT: She was a value-center woman and person. And that's why she will be an American hero. And that's why, like fine wine, she got better with time. Her music and her voice.

CORNISH: She was definitely someone who also -- she was informed by her upbringing, Appalachian upbringing, her upbringing in poverty. And I think somebody who, again, when we talk about being working class or growing up, she -- that informed how she interacted with the world.

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KEITH: Yes. And she understood that she had a gift. That she was given a gift that she rose to this level and she wasn't going to waste it.

CORNISH: So, normally I do group chats, but, honestly, this is the only thing in the group chats, OK. I got the pussy bow on. People are sending me little lipstick emoji. We are all thinking about Dolly Parton. I have a lot of friends in Nashville, and I know that you all are remembering her today.

So, thank you for being with us. And stick around, there's more headlines coming up next on CNN.