Return to Transcripts main page

CNN Tonight

Hunt for Flight 370; Remembering Boston Marathon Attacks

Aired April 14, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

BILL WEIR, CNN HOST: Good evening from Boston. I'm Bill Weir.

We begin with Breaking News on the never-ending hunt for Flight 370. The Bluefin21, the navy's underwater search vehicle has aborted its mission today, returned to the surface tonight. That's after it exceeding its operating depth of just under three miles deep. A built-in safety feature returned to the surface after only six hours of data gathering. Now, technicians are looking at that data hoping against hope that it might provide some trace of the missing plane after disappointing first search day.

And meanwhile, we have revelations about the co-pilot's cell phone. A US official tells CNN, the phone made contact with a cell tower in Malaysia by the time that plane vanished from radar, what does it mean? Altitude and direction, we'll have much more on that in just a moment.

But here in Boston, we are remembering another moment that shocked so many around the world. One year ago tonight, this town was giddy with the anticipation of another Boston marathon but with no idea that brothers with two pressure cooker bomber's bomb would turn that finish line into a battlefield.

Tonight, begins a special week here, a chance to mourn lives lost and bodies broken. But also a chance to celebrate what makes Boston strong like a man in a cowboy hat, Carlos Arredondo who jumped into the chaos (ph) after the first blast to help the wounded. He'll join me along with John Tlumacki, the photographer, who took this iconic image for the Sports Illustrated cover along with his Boston Globe colleagues just won a Pulitzer Prize for their work.

It is great to be here in Boston. Great to be in across on the old south church about 100 yards from the finish line. So much healing has gone in the last and you're going to meet some fantastic later in the show but let's begin tonight with the latest on the hunt for Flight 370.

CNN's Pamela Brown has a look at some of the missed opportunities in an investigation that has now gone on for more than five weeks with so far no definitive trace of that missing plane.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than five weeks in, the latest strange twist in the investigation. Sources tell CNN, First Officer Fariq Hamid's cell phone was one and searching for service roughly half an hour all of Flight 370s communications mysteriously shut off.

Information CNN has learned that Malaysian authorities first gave to the US a while ago.

DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: It would be very rare in my opinion to have someone with a cell phone on in the cockpit. It's never supposed to be on at all. It's part of every checklist of every airline I'm familiar with.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The sources say, Malaysian authorities have told the US that a cell tower near Penang, Malaysia, roughly 250 miles from the where the plane turned around, picked up a signal from Hamid's cell phone suggesting his was the only phone turned on after the flight's transponder turned off.

The US officials caution, there is no evidence that first officer nor anyone else on the plane tried to make a call. The twist and turn started early in the investigation. First, fears of terrorism with two passengers using stolen passports.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The more information we get, the more we're inclined to conclude that it was not a terrorist incident.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then after days of searching the South China Sea along the route, the plane should have been the bombshell, the plane had turned around, heading back over the Malaysian Peninsula.

And after weeks of insisting the last words from the cockpit were "All right, goodnight", Malaysian authorities suddenly changing the wording to "Goodnight, Malaysian 370", and now they say those words came from the captain, not the co-pilot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: And just last week, conflicting information from Malaysian officials not long after the police chief said all the plane's passengers have been cleared, the transport minister declared that everyone on board remained under suspicion with the investigation being ongoing.

Also the transport minister talked about how some of the confusion along the way is due to the information getting lost in translation due to the language barrier. And Bill, I have to say there had been complications from a reporting standpoint because you have so many different agencies involved with this investigation.

WEIR: It seems like a five week exercise in lost in translation. Pamela, why do we think we're getting the cell phone information now? Is that the excuse?

BROWN: I'm talking to sources that Malaysians have shared this data with US investigators awhile ago. I can't tell you exactly when but we know it was awhile ago.

And also, I think that US investigators are being cautious with the information they're being given because it's not their data, it's not firsthand information and of course from the reporting standpoint we're also being careful before we report it. And as we keep reiterating, Bill, this is Malaysian's information, hand it over to us.

WEIR: OK. Pamela Brown, thank you very much.

Let's bring in CNN's other reporters live in the search zone tonight. Michael Holmes is in Perth, Joe Johns in Kuala Lumpur.

Michael, let's start with you. Talk to me about the Bluefin21. This thing is pretty slow on a good day, why did it come back to the surface so soon today?

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, you know, Bill, it really speaks to how little we know about the ocean floor there. The best guess by those who are operating the Bluefin was that the ocean depth was around 4,400 meters down. Also, well, it's a bit deeper than that it would appear.

The Bluefin went down -- it takes about two hours to get down there and then it was meant to be on the ocean floor or above the ocean floor for about 16 hours. Well, after about six hours, it hit about 4,500 meters. Now, it has a built-in mechanism that tells it if you're getting too low, getting too close to the ocean floor, go back up. So that's what happened. That kicked in and went back up to the surface.

You know, I was talking to one of the people who's been operating this whole operation and he said, you know, these things happen, it's not a big deal. It slows it down a little bit. I mean, they lost probably, you know, 10 hours of being on the ocean floor. But it's not a big deal. It is back up at the surface now. What they're doing is they're downloading the data there, putting in a new tasked program and then they're going to send it out in a few hours when weather -- conditions permit.

But of course, it is a very laborious task. This thing goes at walking pace. In one day it does only about 15 square miles to cover the search area. It could take anywhere from six weeks to two months. Bill.

WEIR: And somebody used the analogy if fathers and mothers out there will remember ultrasounds when you go and they get the doctor to tell you that is a foot or whatever. When they get the data of the bottom of the sea floor, how long will it take to interpret that? It's not as clear cut as a photograph of a plane down in silt I'm sure.

HOLMES: Yeah. I've heard that same analogy a bit like an ultrasound by being taken. But it does give a pretty detailed sort of image of the ocean floor if they sent out this, what's it called, side-scan sonar and it picks up really in effect a 3D image of the ocean floor. What it does then is if there is something on the ocean floor that looks had been out of place, well then that warrants (ph) further investigation.

One of the problems down there on the bottom is that there is thought to be a lot of silt and that's going to create a problem when they're looking for the black boxes, if those boxes detached from the plane wreckage. If indeed the plane is down there that those black boxes could have been buried in silt which is going to make them very difficult to find now of course the pings have stopped.

So the idea is that it's there, it's going to look -- if there are any big pieces of wreckage, it'll give them a sense of what is there on the ocean floor, they remain optimistic or confident might be a strong a word, they remained optimistic that they could find something down there. This is their best guess area. Bill.

WEIR: OK, Michael, we appreciate the information. Let's go to Joe Johns in Kuala Lumpur since the Aussies really took the lead here, Joe, we haven't heard a lot out of Malaysia, what are they saying? How are the families there?

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: No, we haven't. No, the acting transport minister and defense minister Hishammuddin who's saying -- continues to give occasional briefings but not daily. He's also a lawyer, so he tends to answer questions in a way that leaves open all the possibilities including nothing which is a bit maddening to some. Also, I think that impart has created a problem here in this country.

A recent poll shows that among Malaysians, a majority of the respondents think the government has a transparency problem right now. So he is not answering all the questions that are put to him frankly because he doesn't have all the answers, I think I would say.

Now, the one thing he has done again and again is underscored the difficulty of the search and that is with a variety of country that I don't think that's anything, anyone could disagree with.

As far as the families go, there is still deep concerns and a reluctance to go public full on simply because they don't have all the answers either. They'd like very much to see some evidence of what happened to this plane before they start talking.

Here and there, we do get some comments from a range of people and most of that is about frustration. Bill.

WEIR: Are any of those families holding out hope that somebody is coming back? I mean, this is psychological case study in grieving I'm sure. But I saw a report earlier today that you said some of them in order to cope have to think that the one they love is just on a very long trip.

JOHNS: Right. It is very difficult for people to sort of put their heads around the idea that their family member is gone simply because they don't know what happened. We've heard that again and again and again. So yes, the wife of one of the crew members who spoke to CNN said that's how she's dealing with it. She and her family as well, they are both simply imagining that their family member went on a trip and hasn't returned yet. And it may just very well stay that way until there are some conclusive facts or evidence to indicate that this plane crashed or whatever happened to it. Bill.

WEIR: OK. Joe Johns in Kuala Lumpur, thanks to you.

And let's turn now to Mary Schiavo, former Inspector General of the Department of Transportation and currently an attorney for victims of transportation accidents. Also, Rob McCallum joins us tonight. He's an ocean search specialist.

So, Mary, talk to me about the cell phone being on and then it getting a ping there whether or not he was trying to make a call, we don't have any indication. But what does that indicate to you about altitude, about course direction?

MARY SCHIAVO, FMR. INSPECTOR GENERAL, U.S. DOT: Well, it can indicate a lot of things, or it can just pose a lot more questions and the first questions of course what other information is out there because we had hear unequivocally that no one tried to make a cell phone call and there were no pings.

But there are so many possibilities on this but it does say that at some point that whether the plane -- after the plane had made the turn that if it was down low enough for that plane and the cell phone on the plane to make contact with a cell phone tower, it poses many possibilities.

Not the least of which is that they descended to try intentionally to get a cell phone tower signal because something was wrong. That's one of the possibilities that comes up again, you know, in that scenario you could think of nefarious scenarios too. The trouble is that we don't have anymore information once again from the Malaysian authorities.

WEIR: Rob, do you think it was a good idea to shift so much to the underwater search? I know they're still looking (inaudible) looking, they found an oil slick which could may or may not be anything. What do you think about the wisdom of using the Bluefin at this stage like this?

ROB MCCALLUM, CNN ANALYST: I think it was timely to move into the underwater phase. I mean it's clear that the ping is at the very edge of its life. So it was time to put sonar in the water.

Today, I highlighted that we do have all our (inaudible) in one basket, you know, we have one vehicle, a one AUV operating at the very edge of its depth range, maybe it's time to consider using deep towed sonar and having more than one asset in the water.

WEIR: Mary and Rob, thank you.

When we come back, who better to talk about the challenges of this deep sear search for Flight 370 than the diver who has been down to the wreck of the Titanic more than anyone else alive?

And later, the man behind the most iconic image of the Boston marathon bombings. That's Sports Illustrated cover, the photographer and his colleagues just won a Pulitzer. We'll talk about the year since and the healing he's captured as well.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANGUS HOUSTON, JOINT AGENCY COORDINATION CENTRE CHIEF: We haven't had a single detection in six days. So I guess it's time to go underwater.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WEIR: We've told you about the disappointing first underwater search day and the navy's Bluefin21 aborting its mission and returning to the surface after exceeding its operating depth. If it gets down around three miles, that's too much pressure it has to bob back up and this is a clear illustration of just how difficult the deep sea search can be.

And joining me now, a man who knows that better than just about anybody breathing, P.H. Nargeolet, the Director of Underwater Research for Premier Exhibitions. He has been down to the Titanic wreck more than 30 times and it's interesting that storage ship sank 102 years ago.

Tonight, P.H., good to talk to you from Boston, school us a little bit about just the conditions. Pitch black, incredible pressure, how does this search compares to the work you did on the Titanic?

PAUL-HENRY NARGEOLET, DIRECTOR OF UNDERWATER RESEARCH, PREMIER EXHIBITION, INC.: Well, interesting kind of search because we are looking for a debris fill. In the Titanic, you have two big parts of the Titanic, there is a huge debris fill where you can find a lot of things like things from China to a piece over the Iraq and anything like that. And it's the same condition of course is totally dark and you have to use some light and to see anything, you will -- we are also using a sonar. We can detect some equipment. We were using also pinger on this debris fill, you know, because we went to mark some special place, you know, and we retrieve (ph) that but it was very hard with this pinger anyway.

WEIR: What do you make of this Bluefin as a search tool?

NARGEOLET: Well, it's, you know, the AUV engine (inaudible) are very good tool because they are close to the bottom, they follow the bottom exactly. The only problem is the battery. You don't have a return of the data immediately. You have to download when the (inaudible) to dive and you don't know -- you have some information from the AUV telling you if it's well, where it is, you know, the position and stuff like that.

But you don't see what the AUV see, even if it's a sonar. You have some AUV that can give you some information but they are not very high resolution. For a question of using the batteries, that's a big problem.

WEIR: Yeah. You just got to set it down, let it work, pull it up, and then see what it ...

NARGEOLET: Exactly.

WEIR: ... found. Do you ...

NARGEOLET: Yeah.

WEIR: ... think that this plane is intact in anyway? I mean what do you think is the biggest piece it would be looking for?

NARGEOLET: You know, imagine that plane is trying to land on the sea with the swell, like maybe the swell is between 10 to 20 feet high. And just at the instant of the plane touch the water frozen everything. You will have a bumpy, you know, landing pad. And do you think that 777 can land on something like that with no damage is -- of course, I'm 100 percent sure the plane explode in little pieces, it was possible on -- it's an river like we know a few years ago in New York, but it was absolutely flat.

But at sea even a sea plane can not, you know, land any -- right land or on the sea if there is a little bit of swell or anything like that.

WEIR: But where's the debris then? Why in 39 days have we not seen even a cushion, nothing?

NARGEOLET: Yeah. From my point of view, if we don't see any debris, the plane is not there. It's so simple, I know. Because we should find something.

WEIR: So we're looking in the wrong place...

NARGEOLET: Yeah. That -- I'm afraid, you know. Even with the pinger, are we sure it's the pinger of the black box? No. There is no way to understand it really is a good pinger or not. There is no -- they are all the same. All the pinger, they are the same frequency or the same signal. There is no distinction possible with this pinger. Until we find something, a piece of anything from the plan or anything from the passenger, we cannot be sure that the plane was there.

WEIR: Mary Schiavo, Rob McCallum, jump back in and comment on P.H. there.

NARGEOLET: We know each other.

MCCALLUM: We know each other. Hello P.H.

NARGEOLET: Hi Rob.

MCCALLUM: I mean that there is no physical evidence in terms of debris. And I was interested of this afternoon for the first time coming to us from Perth was the captain explaining that they weren't really sure if the pinger that they'd heard was linked to MH370. So this is the first time that's been sort of any aspersions of doubt.

WEIR: But 39 days Mary, a typhoon in that 49 days even if there was debris, hasn't it been blown and swirled to having gone? SCHIAVO: Well, that would be my assumption. And especially since in other accidents, that's exactly what happened. There is one Adam Air in the Java Sea in 2007. That plane was missing for three weeks. They found no debris. They actually have to put out rewards. They offered rewards for people to turn in pieces of the plane so they can figure out where it was. They got the crash in January. They got the black boxes in August.

And they turned in after all, this was said and done, I think there 194 pieces and it was just small pieces that had washed up. So it's possible that there was wreckage, it's been widely dispersed and they're just looking in the wrong places. It's, you know, it's a long time for wreckage to stay in one place ...

NARGEOLET: Yeah.

SCHIAVO: ... floating wreckage.

WEIR: Go ahead P.H., jump in.

NARGEOLET: Yeah, I know I totally agree with that, because, you know, we saw that, you know, I was on Adams flight too. You know, I (inaudible), but when you look at the debris, at the beginning there were all together and step by step it's like a big funnel and they were going to far away from each other. But, you know, as all the plane now looking for -- event they start late to look at this area, because the ship from one place very south, to the north and, you know, because they were jumping from one place to another one.

Even I don't understand very well where -- why they were jumping so far, because, you know, one box was either one place and another (ph) ship like 500 miles north and after almost 1,000 miles north. Why they were shifting such a big distance? It's not one box after a one box, you know, close to each other? No, because there was a big hole in between. And of course during the this time, if the plane was in this area every -- all the debris they were drifting in a different direction, because, you know, because of the wind, because of the current, because of anything, you know, that they all disperse.

But I think with all the plane like when we are like 10 plane or 12 plane looking in a big area, they should find something, you know.

WEIR: You'd think so? P.H. Nargeolet, thank you. Mary, Rob, please stick around. Coming up, let's bring in a veteran pilot to talk about those reports of the co-pilots cell phone contacting a cell tower in Malaysia right about the time that plane disappeared from radar. What does that mean? Could it provide any kind of information? Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WEIR: Welcome back. Another intriguing development in the search for flight 370. We learn today that the co-pilots phone was on and made contact with the cell tower in Malaysia about the time the plane disappeared from radar. The U.S. official who gave that information to CNN says, there's no evidence that they co-pilot tried to make a call. So what does it mean really?

Joining me now Jim Tilmon, a retired American Airlines pilot. Mary Schiavo, Rob McCallum back as well. So Jim, what was your reaction when you heard this new nugget?

JIM TILMON, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: I didn't know what to make of it. I still don't. I don't know that it meant anything except he forgot to turn it off. If there was some transmission, if he had a record that he tried to say something to someone or have signaled somehow, it would have meant a lot more.

WEIR: But you've been -- you were a commercial pilot for 30 years, did you have your phone on as a matter of course?

TILMON: No I did not. As a matter of fact, that would have been one of the last things I would wanted to do. I still bought into the fact that we shouldn't have the cell phones operating while the airplane is flying.

WEIR: Mary, do you think the reason FAA or -- yeah, I guess it's FTCN (ph), the FAA said it's cool to leave your electronic devices on in the airplane mode. Could that explain the pilot's actions or like Jim do most, just leave them off?

SCHIAVO: Well, you know, I think it depends -- it goes nation by nation. In United States, it's kind of a bit of the forefront of that. So, I think that on any aircraft where it's banned and I don't know if they were still banned on Malaysia Air or not, but, you know, it's pretty, you know, as the flight attendants make their round as pretty obvious who isn't using them and given the number of TSA calls and local police arrest for people with cell phone incidence in the U.S., it seems to be something that draw us attention.

So, you know, more than likely, if they told them to turn off the cell phones, they turned off their cell phones. And if there wasn't some alert to turn them back on and it's late at night, people are sleeping, but you'd still expect some to go through. And when we worked on the 9/11 cases, you know, it was remarkable out of 243 people on the airplanes, there were, you know, there were probably a dozen of cell phone calls at least at a minimum.

Now, some of them came on air phones, but, people if they know there's something wrong, forget the rules about cell phones, they tried and they tried madly (ph) to get calls through. And that was back in 2001. So, you know, the absence of cell phone except from the co- pilot, I'm suspicious. I think there might be more of it. Who knows what news will come tomorrow from Malaysia.

WEIR: You're telling me Mary. But Jim, just play it out, if it was on, how low, what altitude would that flight have to -- that 777 have to be in order for it that co-pilot's cell phone to register in that tower.

TILMON: A lot of that have to do with the airplane itself, how well it shield it, and that sort of thing. But I think, generally, let's assume that anything above, say 4,000 or 5,000 feet, it would be pretty unusual for a cell phone communication to take place. I just -- I've been on airplanes when there have been passengers who wanted to make a phone call to their driver, but I don't know about the land, I found it very irritating, and frankly, I considered it to be a breach of protocol.

But, you know, I just -- I can't make a great deal of -- out of that because there was no transmission. There was not even press of the touch (ph) button and nothing came across. To me, it's (inaudible) of being just one of those fact toys (ph) that happens to be there makes it less a little bit strange, but, how many times do people forget and leave this so far and on.

WEIR: Yeah. Exactly. Well, Jim, Mary, thank you so much. When we come back ...

SCHIAVO: Thank you.

WEIR: We'll bring you back here to Boston where we are remembering in advance that absolutely stunned the planet a year ago tomorrow, the marathon bombing. And this is an image that a lot of us have it on minds when we remember that terrible day.

We come back. I'll talk with the man who took that photograph, the Sports Illustrated, and just won Pulitzer Prize today. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WEIR: Welcome back to Boston. I'm Bill Weir. And the finish line is fresh in more ways than one. You know, if you want to regain faith in humanity, go watch a marathon in person sometime. Go watch people stand and cheer and offer to hydrate an endless parade of sweaty amateurs they've never even met. You can see it in any race in any town. But if you ever see one in this town, on patriot's day, and that is the stuff (ph). It's nothing about the best stuff (ph) America has to offer which is why the bombing of a year ago tomorrow was such an aberration, such a violent attack on everything that's great about this country.

And one guy who captured the horrors of that day, and the come back in all the day since is this man, John Tlumacki. He took that cover photo for Sports Illustrated. He is a staff photographer for the Boston Globe and a new Pulitzer Prize winner. Congratulations.

JOHN TLUMACKI, BOSTON GLOBE PHOTOGRAPHER: Thank you so much.

WEIR: And it's great to meet you.

TLUMACKI: Thanks, thanks.

WEIR: You know, it's hard to give congratulations. I'm sure your editor said nobody wanted to cover that story that day.

TLUMACKI: Right. He did say that, but, you know, there was a special moment at the Globe today when we found out that the staff won the Pulitzer Prize and we're just surprised. We had a moment of remembering. We just kind of stood still and thought about the whole year, and thought about the survivors, the victims, and everybody who was affected by the marathon bombings.

WEIR: This is a week of not only resilience and Boston Strong on display, but a time tomorrow in those who are lost. So take us back first and what images do you remember in your mind, I mean, so many of yours are seared into ours. Are they still there? Do they still (inaudible)?

TLUMACKI: You know, I can look across the street and I still have a vision of where everybody was that day that I photographed. I mean, there was Celeste Corcoran who lost both her legs and her husband who takes his belt off and put them around one of the legs and gets another belt and puts around the leg. She lost both her legs. And her daughter Sydney, 18 years old, is 15 feet away from her and she has a tear to her femoral artery and two heroes just saved her life and put pressure on her leg and stopped the bleeding.

You know, I have those -- I have the image of Carlos jumping over the fence and he is holding the American flag. And the first thing he does is he sees Jeff Bauman and who's still smoldering and goes over and tries to save his life which he did.

WEIR: Right. I want to go back to the Corcorans you said. You've been following them. They call you Uncle John.

TLUMACKI: That's right. You know, actually, I just texted Sydney a photo I took at the finish line. I said, you know, I got to do this interview tonight, and she said "good luck." You know, we have a friendship. She calls me Uncle John. I've been with them the whole year and it's just a healing process for me to be with them to be able to hug them. And the day that it happens, when, you know, Sydney's picture ends up on the front page of the Boston Globe the next day. I was so grateful to know that she was alive. I didn't know when I left her that whether her mother and her had lived.

WEIR: Right.

TLUMACKI: But our friendship is just -- it's just one of those precious things that, you know, I can text her, I can call the Corcorans, ask them how they're doing, and I know for the marathon, they're going to be right in the spot right here and I'm going to be right at the finish line. So ...

WEIR: Right.

TLUMACKI: ... you know, I'm going to be -- in a way, I'd be with them.

WEIR: I watch this event. I didn't cover like so many people on television and just be here and see the perspective of the first bomb went off right over here. The second one just at the street (inaudible) ...

TLUMACKI: Yeah, right.

WEIR: ... about two blocks, but I understand that while you are going to work and capturing photographs and officers said what to you? The cop.

TLUMACKI: His -- well, the cop, there was two cops. The first cop within eight seconds of the first bombing, he stops, I mean, he looks at me right in the eye and he says, you shouldn't be here, there could be another bomb going off. And I said, thank you. And we both look at each other. He went his way and I went my way and then a another police officer said he saw me taking pictures and he said, please, please, use dignity value taking photos.

And then always, you know, stayed in my head and, you know, I tried to do the dignified thing. I kind of realize at that point I was the only photographer here and I think my photographs help people heal. I think people were aware of the horror that went on that day whether they contributed money to the One Fund or just set a prayer. I mean, I think those photos hit home and people will always remember them.

WEIR: And One Fund got something like $70 million of donations for the 200 plus ...

TLUMACKI: Yes. It's still going on. The donation is still coming in. And I got so many e-mails from people saying thank you for taking those pictures and even Celeste said to me, after it was over and we met, she said, thank you for taking those pictures because people needed to understand what terrorism does to a person.

WEIR: But what does terrorism do to you? I mean, you saw some photos that the world will never see, the really grim stuff and you were there when it happened.

TLUMACKI: Right.

WEIR: Did that -- did you have PTSD?

TLUMACKI: Probably, I might have some form a bit (ph). I mean, I still -- I'm affected by coming here and looking at the barricades the same way they were set up a year ago. I have images of Krystle Campbell who passed away at the first bomb site. And that image will always stay in my head. Nobody would love to see it and I just hold it dear to me and I just have, you know, very sad feelings sometimes when I come down Boylston Street because I think of her and everybody else who, you know, were affected by that.

WEIR: And I understand you did a little bit of photographic therapy, right? You went and took some picture of nature.

TLUMACKI: I actually -- yeah. My wife and I, we went to Sedona, Arizona in November 4, our anniversary. And the thought process was to replace all those horrific images with something beautiful. So we did absolutely nothing. We were tourists. We went to the vortexes. We saw the sunrises and the sunsets. And I just did a book for my self, for my wife of all these beautiful photos and it actually worked. I mean, there were nights there that I just dreamt of these beautiful scenes and got the marathon out of my head.

And I think it really helped me. But I'd tell you, what help me the most was just, you know, being friends with the Corcorans. That was ...

WEIR: Yeah.

TLUMACKI: ... a gift.

WEIR: And finally, a new security protocols I'm sure in place. A lot of people will be thinking in various thoughts.

TLUMACKI: Right.

WEIR: How has Boston changed in the last year?

TLUMACKI: You know ...

WEIR: What's the result of this?

TLUMACKI: I think Boston has changed like no other city. I think, you know, when you think of Boston Strong now, you think of the marathon, you think of the whole community, not just Boston, but everywhere coming together to support the survived (inaudible) to help them out. And I'm not even worried about the security. I mean, I know the police, you know, even in that photo, the three police officers running towards the fallen runner. You can see that this -- the Boston police did their job and they're doing their job this year. So there's nothing to worry about, you know, I'm not worried. I'm going to be here and, you know, the world's going to be watching.

WEIR: Three fatalities including that beautiful little boy, but could have been so many more if those folks hadn't rushed in ...

TLUMACKI: Right.

WEIR: ... and helped. Like Carlos, the man in the hat, hopefully, we can put up that picture because when we come back, Carlos is here.

TLUMACKI: Right.

WEIR: We'll reunite you guys.

TLUMACKI: Great.

WEIR: And share a few more memories of this on a really significant anniversary. And stay with this everybody. We'll have a little bit more about what makes Boston Strong.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WEIR: Welcome back to the finish line on Boylston Street. A week from now, tens of thousands of feet, exhausted feet will be crossing this historic strip right here for the first time since last year's bombing tragedy. And it was a time when obviously we're so shocked by such evil that could be borne out in a place like this. But it was also a time when you saw neighbors, community members going from cheering each other on to triaging one another in these very streets.

And one image that is so iconic is that of the man in the cowboy hat, Carlos Arredondo. He ran across the streets, started pulling the barricades away from those bleeding folks, and his picture was captured by John Tlumacki and both of them are back with us tonight.

It is great to meet you sir.

CARLOS ARREDONDO, AIDED VICTIMS AFTER BOSTON BOMBING: Nice to be here. Thank you very much. It's good to be here.

WEIR: And you're waving that bloody flag which you actually have with you. That belongs in a museum.

ARREDONDO: Of course it does and when the right time comes, thus would be launched (ph).

WEIR: Taking back a year. You were here -- you lost a son to war, another son to suicide after war, you were here handing out American flags as a sign of support, yes?

ARREDONDO: That's correct. We was giving for how (ph) American flags to this (inaudible) to cheer the national guard who started walking the morning for (inaudible) to get to the finish line at around 2 p.m. So I want to make -- we want to make sure that the banner is up and we was ready to cheer them when they come in.

WEIR: And what do you remember about the bomb?

ARREDONDO: Well, I was in these three level and I had no doubt (ph) when the first bomb went off. It was very serious, as you know, and I know people was hurt.

WEIR: And your instinct was to help.

ARREDONDO: Of course, you know, I didn't hesitate to go across the street and help out. The only thing made me stopped before running across the street were when the second bomb went off and I'm pretty much (inaudible) that really was bomb going on.

WEIR: Right. Now, you help. There was the photograph of you with the man in the wheelchair, Jeff.

ARREDONDO: Jeff Bauman.

WEIR: Bauman. You keep in touch. I know you went to the State of the Union together. Does he credit you as saving his life?

ARREDONDO: Well, you know, he's very appreciative for all the help that I give him. We got to remember it was others who've been helping him out especially his family and his friends.

WEIR: Right. And John, what did that image that you captured of Carlos with the flag, what do that signify for you?

TLUMACKI: I think that's the courage that Carlos had. I mean, that's the spirit of Boston. That's what Boston Strong is all about. He didn't hesitate. He jumped over the fence. He was telling me early when we're talking, he knew that barricade was in the way. He was stomping on the fence to get it down. And then he instinctively goes and helps people. I mean, he -- I think Jeff was the first person you saw there who needed help and you helped.

I mean, he, you know, look at that flag. I mean, that is so symbolic. I think in a way, I think he carries a lot of emotion in that flag, I mean, especially for his sons and everything that went on that day. You know, it's not the easiest things for both of us to be here and to see what, you know, have these images on what happened on that day and we're talking about that. But, you know, it's just -- his courage is the most amazing thing.

WEIR: How has that (inaudible) change you? You have a lot of loss in your life with your sons.

ARREDONDO: You know, before that Boston marathon, (inaudible) participating many events, you know, suicide prevention with (inaudible) and also we worked with (inaudible) and other organization and ...

(OFF-MIKE)

WEIR: Right. OK. It's great to meet you Carlos.

ARREDONDO: Thank you very much.

WEIR: (Inaudible). John, I appreciate it as well. We have a camera (inaudible) we'll be back in Boston momentarily.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WEIR: Of course, our eye is keeping one eye on the search for missing Flight 370's new developments today and Don Lemon has the latest for them now. Don.

DON LEMON: Hey, how are you. The new developments do keep coming in, Bill. We're going to talk about, coming up in just a few minutes, about the co-pilot's cell phone being picked or at least the tower trying to pick up the cell phone. Out of a flight of 239 people, why was he's the only one working? We're going to talk about that. Also, is it possible -- is it possibly debris from Flight 370? They found an oil slick. They collected some samples. We're waiting for the information on that and the results on that.

And also, that Bluefin-21, Bill, maybe the lastest (ph) effort in finding this plane very quickly had some issues today. It only went down for a very short time, a lot shorter than it was supposed to. We're going to talk to our panel of experts about that. What went wrong? All of that coming up at the top of the hour.

WEIR: Don, you've had your finger on the pulse of public mood on the story. You've been answering questions for all of these many weeks. So, what kind of questions are you getting these days and tonight?

LEMON: You know it's interesting. A lot of the questions really are the same because many people, Bill, are not exactly sure that the plane is even in the bottom of the Indian Ocean where this one expert from Inmarsat says it is. It is only a mathematical probability, but so far with no evidence, people are still finding it hard to believe that the plane is actually where they predict it is. So a lot of people are asking about that cell phone especially that was the first questions -- the first round of questions that came in, were about that cell phone. And now, with this new information, the questions about the cell phone comes back once again and they come back even stronger.

WEIR: And if history is in the indication time, that will probably change tomorrow as we heard from the family at the top of the show. Is this little crumbs of information, they come from the Malaysians, sometimes lost in translation released by Americans and then we got to do it all over again.

LEMON: Absolutely. And you know what, we have to be mindful. We have to be mindful of, you know, we're doing a deep sea search now. But, you know, it was the Titanic. This is the anniversary of the Titanic back in 1912 that hit an ice berg. And tomorrow will be the anniversary of its sinking. So, you know, there's a lot to discuss today.

WEIR: Thank you Don. I look forward to your show at the top of the hour. And some for anniversary here as well, of course, tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombings.

I met a woman today, Sabrina Dello Russo who is standing a literally four feet away from one of her best friends, Roseann Sdoia. She walked away on escape, Roseann lost a leg. And I got a little taste of what survivor's guilt means like. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WEIR: Is it a sense that you wish you were suffering as badly as she?

SABRINA DELLO RUSSO, BOSTON MARATHON BOMBINGS SURVIVOR: Yes.

WEIR: It is, really? So you ...

DELLO RUSSO: I feel guilty that I was right next to her and nothing happened. Nothing happened to me.

WEIR: Well, nothing you can see, but obviously, the wound is ...

DELLO RUSSO: Yeah.

WEIR: ... emotional.

DELLO RUSSO: It's emotional. It's internal. It's taken months, and months, a year to realize that I'm extremely lucky to be alive and I am extremely lucky to still have my friends here with me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WEIR: That was an emotional moment, but tomorrow night, I can't wait to show you how she rallies, how positive and strong she really is as she prepares to run her first marathon. We'll have you there tomorrow. Until then, I'm Bill Weir. Let's turn now to CNN special report with Don Lemon starting now.