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ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN Abu Dhabi. This is CONNECT THE WORLD with Becky Anderson.
BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Yes, it is. In this hour we are closer than ever to the impeachment of Donald Trump. In Hong Kong a record
number of voters are hitting the polls after months of violent revolt. Now I get my Zen on with one of the greatest minds of our time, Yuval Noah
Harari. It's your world and we all connect together. After two weeks of testimony, U.S. Democrats are now moving forward now in their impeachment
inquiry of President Donald Trump.
House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff tells CNN there could be more hearings, but he won't go to court to force testimony by witnesses
like former National Security Advisor John Bolton. Schiff says he doesn't want to waste time.
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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): There is a sense of urgency when you have a president who's threatening the integrity of our elections. That we need
to act now if we're going to act and we can't allow this obstruction to succeed.
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ANDERSON: Well, that issue is whether the President tied military aid to Ukraine to an investigation into the Biden's. It's that simple. A
Republican Congressman told CNN's Jake Tapper, no such link was proven during the testimony.
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REP. LEE ZELDIN (R-NY): It's not until after they read it in Politico on August 29th that President Zelensky and his team received confirmation that
there's a hold on aid. The aid -- the hold on aid got lifted shortly thereafter, Ukraine didn't have to do anything to get the hold on aid
lifted.
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ANDERSON: Hmm, OK. Well, the Democrats hope to have the protest wrapped up in the coming weeks with a vote. We are told by Christmas they hope.
CNN's Suzanne Malveaux has more.
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: House Democrats moving one step closer to impeaching President Trump. Building their case that he
orchestrated a plan to withhold military aid and dangled a White House meeting in exchange for Ukraine announcing investigations into his
political rivals. Multiple democratic sources telling CNN, they're hoping to wrap up by Christmas, including holding proceedings before the House
Judiciary Committee. Drawing up articles of impeachment against Trump and holding a vote on them.
REP. VAL DEMINGS (D-FL): We'll regroup next weekend and talk about the steps moving forward.
MALVEAUX: But their investigation has hit some roadblocks. But the White House and State Department both stonewalling Democrats from accessing
important documents and having access to top administration officials allegedly involved in this scheme.
REP. DENNY HECK (D-WA): What I would like to see happen next is that Ambassador Bolton and Secretary of State Pompeo do exactly what the very
brave and courageous people who work for them dead which is to step forward and put patriotism of -- for their country ahead of their own personal
interest.
MALVEAUX: Still, Speaker Nancy Pelosi says they have enough evidence to press forward.
NANCY PELOSI, SPEAKER OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: No, we're not going to wait until the courts decide. We can't wait for that
because again, it's a technique. It's obstruction of justice, obstruction of Congress.
MALVEAUX: House Republicans disagree.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we've had enough. I think it's time to shut it down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God.
MALVEAUX: In the last hearing of the week, former White House national security official Fiona Hill described Ambassador Gordon Sondland's role in
Trump's actions towards Ukraine.
FIONA HILL, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S FORMER TOP RUSSIA ADVISER: He was being involved in a domestic political errand. And we were being involved
in national security foreign policy. And those two things had just diverged.
MALVEAUX: The White House's former top Russia adviser also dismantling Trump's debunked conspiracy theory that it was Ukraine, not Russia that
interfered in the 2016 elections.
HILL: I refuse to be part of an effort to legitimize an alternative narrative. These fictions are harmful, even if they're deployed for purely
domestic political purposes.
MALVEAUX: David Holmes, an aid at the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine detailing the phone conversation he overheard between Sondland and President Trump,
just one day after the President's now famous call with Ukraine's leader.
DAVID HOLMES, U.S. EMBASSY OFFICIAL IN UKRAINE: The President's voice was loud and recognizable. I then heard President Trump asked so he's going to
do the investigation, Ambassador Sondland replied that he's going to do it.
MALVEAUX: Holmes quoting Sondland as saying the President did not care about Ukraine. Instead, he only cared about.
HOLMES: Big stuff that benefits the president.
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HOLMES: Like the Biden investigation that the Mr. Giuliani was pushing.
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ANDERSON: Hmm. Well, CNN's Kristen Holmes joining us from the White House. And our political analyst and Washington Post reporter Karoun
Demirjian is in our D.C. Bureau. Kristen, let me start with you. We now know the Democratic House aides are spending this thanksgiving week,
preparing a report that will spell out a case for impeachment. And we are told there are likely to be any big surprises. Almost all of the evidence,
of course, is public already. So what's the view at the White House at this point?
KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it depends on who you talk to, right? Particular here in Washington, you're going to hear
everyone try to spend their side of the story. For people at the White House, a lot of them are saying that they don't believe that Nancy Pelosi
is actually going to go through with actually drafting these articles of impeachment and having that vote.
But that is not what we're hearing from Democrats behind the scene. They are all in on this. And we just heard Adam Schiff who wouldn't commit to
the impeachment vote, he -- but he would say that he would talk to colleagues and other constituents when he went home over break to see what
they thought. But he also said that they had all the evidence that they needed, as you said, they didn't have to go to court for the former
National Security Advisor, John Bolton because they already had a what really spelled out some misdeeds here.
So two separate sides of the story here, and then I kind of want to talk about a third group, you have Republicans that are Trump allies, the Trump
White House, and you have Democrats then there's this third middle group, which are usually conservatives, but they don't really line with Trump on
every - on everything on everything. And so I spoke to a lot of them in the weeks of these public hearings, and a lot of them are really confused
right now.
They say that they don't like President Trump. They don't like what he did. They think what he did was wrong, but they really aren't sure if it
rises to the level of impeachment. And so, that's kind of what we're going to be watching in the next couple of weeks, and as you said, you know,
they're preparing this report. They go through all of this evidence, everything that they learned, and then they pass it off to the Judiciary
Committee.
The Judiciary Committee will use this as the basis of articles of impeachment should they choose to draft them. But during this process,
Democrats are expecting behind the scenes a very busy December. They are talking about public hearings, depositions, more evidence being brought in,
because as you said they want to have this vote before Christmas. Now, it's not clear whether or not that can possibly happen.
We also heard Adam Schiff leaving the door open during that interview two more depositions. Too more hearings, gathering of more evidence by the
Intelligence Committee saying the investigation wasn't over. So this process could be drawn out. But as you said they want to keep this as
quick as possible. That's why they've decided not to take these White House aides to court.
ANDERSON: Karen, should Pelosi then bring these charges? Is it clear what articles of impeachment we are talking about here? What is it the
Democrats are likely to charge the President with at this point?
KAROUN DEMIRJIAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: But we know they're certainly going to charge him with an obstruction of Congress charge because that has
been the crux of their dispute with him since even before this impeachment specific Ukraine inquiry was on the table. It also sounds like they're
going to be trying to push towards some sort of bribery charge or abuse of office in that regard to -- because they are -- they are hindering this on
the quid pro quo of leveraging the promised military aid to Ukraine in order for the President to be able to get something of benefit to him that
the politically charged investigations into the Biden's of 2016 elections.
And so it seems like they are trying to shape up some sort of charge on those grounds of attempted bribery or something like that. I think what
will -- what remains to be seen is do they stick just to the confines of the Ukraine probe or do brought in this little bit. Half of the reason I
believe that the chairman of Intelligence committees hedging on whether they are going to be pivoting towards the judiciary committee or opening
this up to further depositions is because really a lot hinges on waiting for Monday we're going to hear a decision in the court case of whether Don
McGahn, if you remember from the previous chapter when we really talked about the restaurant probe.
He's the former White House Counsel, he was a star witness in Muller's probe. There's supposed to be a decision and whether he has to actually
obey the congressional summons to come forward. If he does, that could suggest that people like Bolton's deputy who currently has a pending
subpoena. Bolton does not but his decisions of whether to come forward probably rests on that case too. What happens there?
So that could open the floodgates to more witnesses, which means there could be more to pack in. But at this juncture, if they stick to what they
have there, then it seems like some form of attempted burglary, certainly obstruction of Congress, and we'll see if the Judiciary Committee wins out
in trying to push forward to have some other charges to that go back more towards what we were looking at when the Mueller report and the Russia
investigation was the focus.
But right now it seems like they are going to try to keep this as clean as possible. So that they can sell this message to the American people once
this gets the senate trial.
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ANDERSON: Yes. Because we are of course less than a year out from this 2020 election. Karoun, finally one figure in all of this, of course, is
the President's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani who's being investigated for his role in Ukraine. There is speculation his relationship with Mr. Trump
has been somewhat strained of late. I just want our viewers to have a listen to what Giuliani had to say about that.
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RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S PERSONAL LAWYER: You can assume that I talked to him early and often.
ED HENRY, FOX NEWS HOST: Yes.
GIULIANI: And have a very, very good relationship with him. And all of these comments, which are totally insulting.
HENRY: Yes.
GIULIANI: I mean, I've seen -- I've seen things written like, he's gonna throw me under the bus.
HENRY: Right.
GIULIANI: When they say that, I say he isn't but I have insurance.
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ANDERSON: Well, Giuliani says he was being sarcastic. Not when he said he was totally insulted by some of these comments, but he said he had
insurance. And we told these jokes about this before. That is not the question. This is the question, Karoun, what chance he will be thrown
under the bus? I don't know -- I don't know the guy is going to be a very difficult defense for the U.S. president on this one, isn't it?
DEMIRJIAN: Well, look, I mean, even before we got to the stage of looking towards the senate trial, when it will be Trump's lawyers deciding what the
defense is, there was discussion among members of the House GOP of -- well, look, if we think that most of the witnesses or hearsay witnesses who were
getting their information secondhand, who was talking directly to the president who could have mistranslated or freelanced or gone rogue or
something like that.
And that list is very short. It's Rudy Giuliani. It's Gordon Sondland. It's Mick Mulvaney, it's occasionally Kurt Volker. But now that Gordon
Sondland has come forward and give them testimony that's fairly incriminating against the president. It would appear that, you know, that
the person who's kind of in the middle of everything, Sondland said he got most of his information about what Trump was saying through Giuliani and so
there's this question mark around Giuliani.
He is a fairly capricious character who's known for going on television and speaking his mind and then changing it and not always seeming like he's in
lockstep with whatever the planned -- the plan message is supposed to be. That presents a potential target to deflect away from the president if this
starts to look really bad for the president, there's a dual strategy going here of deflection and also absolving of what the President did, making it
seem like his intentions were completely pure and unjust so that he was going after corruption in Ukraine.
So, both of these tracks are being pursued. At the same time, we'll see which one the President's own team decides to assume as their own once we
get to the point where they are defending themselves which will be the next stage of this affair.
ANDERSON: Uh-hmm. Fascinating. Fascinating. Karoun, thank you, Kristen, do stay with us. We are all over this, staying on top of this story,
including of course at the website CNN.com where you can find live updates and all of these developing elements to this story as they come plus other
features like a breakdown of what comes next in the impeachment process. You can also sign up for our impeachment watch newsletter. You know how to
find that.
Right. Secretary for the U.S. Navy denies he is planning to resign over a military disputes with President Donald Trump. Now this, after the Navy
decided to conduct a review of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher's fitness to serve. Just days earlier the president restored his rank. Navy demoted
Gallagher after he was found guilty of posing for a photo with an ISIS fighter's dead body. Gallagher told Fox News what he thinks is behind this
whole controversy.
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EDDIE GALLAGHER, U.S. NAVY SEAL: This is all about ego and retaliation, that says nothing thing to do with good order and discipline. I don't know
how many times I think the president he keeps, you know, stepping in doing the right thing. With the utmost doing showing complete insubordination is
not the good example of good order and discipline.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you -
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ANDERSON: Kristen Holmes with us again from Washington. What more do we know about this, Kristen?
HOLMES: Well, Becky, I want to kind of take us back here to earlier in the month, because that's really where these tensions begin between the
Pentagon and the White House. President Trump against the advice of the Pentagon intervening in three war crimes cases and one of them being of
this special operations chief Eddie Gallagher who was part of the Navy SEALs.
He was the only one who was brought back into the ranks and shortly after that, the head of the Navy SEALs, a man by the name of Rear Admiral Collin
Green decided to conduct a review of Gallagher's fitness to serve as a Navy SEAL. That of course is separate from just being in the Navy. We know the
SEALs as an elite unit.
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HOLMES: They have special training and they conduct very special top secret missions including the team that took down Osama bin Laden. So a
very big honor to be part of that. Now, the president after this review has been launched, really causing major concern within the military as a
whole. When he tweeted the following, I'm going to read it to you, it says, the Navy will not be taking away warfighter and Navy SEAL Eddie
Gallagher's trident pin.
This case it was handled very badly from the beginning, get back to business. Tried and pin there is what represents what makes him as part of
the Navy SEALs. So, military leaders, they came to the White House, they talked to President Trump saying that essentially they were concerned about
this apparent attempt to block the Navy. Meanwhile, we are hearing reports that the Secretary of the Navy, Richard Spencer was threatening to resign
if in fact, Trump did block them from conducting this review. But this is how he responded to those reports.
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RICHARD SPENCER, U.S. NAVY SECRETARY: Contrary to popular belief, I'm still here. I did not threaten to resign. But let us just say that we're
here to talk about external threats and Eddie Gallagher is not one of them.
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HOLMES: And we also heard that Admiral Green had threatened to resign over the same issue now. When it comes to those reports, one source tells us
that it's not about resignation, but that Admiral Green knew that launching this report might make him open to being fired by President Trump for what
this source said was insubordination. Becky?
ANDERSON: Hmm. Amazing. Kristen, thank you for that. Kristen has been with us through the first quarter of the show on two extremely important
stories. Up next. It's part two of my interview with Yuval Noah Harari.
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YUVAL NOAH HARARI, ISRAELI HISTORIAN: Politicians will soon get into their hands that technology to create heaven or hell.
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ANDERSON: Is it time to answer some of life's great analysis questions? Well, Yuval certainly think so. Plus -
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ANDERSON: Well, it's a site we have brought to you often in what has been a season of discontent. Global protests connecting the world with little
sign of calming down as we will take down towards a new decade. The end point of these movements, quite frankly is unknown, but when looking into a
crystal ball, at least in the mind of my next guest, one thing is clear, this is just the start of what is to come.
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People feeling irrelevant against power, fighting to have their voices heard before it is too late. Author, you've all know Harari is one of the
greatest minds of our time. Past hour, he told me that will be no return if we go down the path of a digital dictatorship now. And part two of our
conversation he reflects on the skills we need or we certainly will need to survive this 21st century.
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HARARI: What we've seen over the last few years is people losing faith in the story of liberal democracy. And it's not absolutely clear why because
actually the last 20 or 30 years under the protection of the global liberal, liberal older, were the best times in history for humankind. In
the 20th century, we had the big battle between three stories, the communist story, the fascist story and the liberal story.
And the fascist story was knocked out in the Second World War. And for something like 30 years, we had just one story to explain the past and to
guide us to the future. And now this story is collapsing. We are left with a vacuum, zero stories, which is the most frightening situation to be
in. The vacuum is tentatively filled by all kinds of nostalgic fantasies, nationalist fantasies, religious fantasies, but what is common to all these
fantasies, they don't offer any viable vision for the world as a whole, and they don't offer any viable vision for the future.
The only thing we know for certain is that by 2015, the world will be completely different from today. It's really the first time in history
that we have no idea what the job market would look like in 30 years, what skills people will need in 30 years, there will be jobs, some jobs will
disappear, but new jobs will emerge and other jobs will be transformed. And we just don't know how and what skills will be needed, which is really
frightening because this is a question we need to answer now. Not in 20 or 30 years. We need to know what to teach kids today in school or in
college.
ANDERSON: What do we teach children today?
HARARI: The most important skill is how to keep learning and keep reinventing yourself throughout your life. Which means you need above all
else, a lot of emotional intelligence and a lot of mental flexibility. How to keep reinventing yourself repeatedly throughout your life because the
big struggle in the 21st century will not be against exploitation, like in the 20th century, it will be against irrelevance. How do I stay relevant
to this fast moving world?
ANDERSON: Yuval, what happened in 2016? You talk about a useless class sort of looking back through the prism of nostalgia and the rise of sort of
populism and nationalism, there was that. What happened?
HARARI: So I think part of what happened in 2016 in many parts of the world is that, you know, even people who don't follow the latest
developments in A.I. or bioengineering and all these big words, machine learning and big data, and all these things, they are correctly sensing
that they are in danger of becoming irrelevant and they are revolting against that and saying, hey, we still have a lot of power.
At least the power of Mayhem and they have succeeded in capturing the attention of everybody. I think that the real problem is that to deal with
any of the major issues we are facing, we need to do it on a global level. And we are running on -- in the opposite direction.
ANDERSON: Yuval, what keeps you up at night?
HARARI: I tried to sleep well. I don't like to stay awake at night if I don't have to.
Yes. I think that my main worries are more like these cost (INAUDIBLE) philosophical worries, I think that we are really facing a philosophical
bankruptcy, that we don't have them.
That the ideas of the outlook to really deal with the powers that we are acquiring. You know, the basic deal between philosophers and politicians
has always been that philosophers have these fancy ideas how to change the world, change humanity.
And the politicians come and say, well, we don't have the means to realize your idea. Sorry very much.
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HARARI: But now it's the opposite situation. The politicians will soon get into their hands that technology to create heaven or hell, but the
philosophers don't -- are having difficulty conceptualizing the new heaven and the new hell fast enough. These questions are now migrating from the
Department of Philosophy to the Department of Engineering. And whereas philosophers are very, very patient people, they can discuss an issue for
thousands of years and not agree with an answer and be OK with it.
Engineers are impatient and the people who pay the engineers are even more impatient. If you want to put a self-driving vehicle on the road, you need
to solve all kinds of ethical dilemmas and issues about free will and that has been argued about for thousands of years, but you want to do it next
year or in five years. So I think now if the philosophers don't do their job, the engineers will do that job too. And that's very dangerous.
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ANDERSON: Yuval Harari warning that now is the time to answer some of life's great unanswered questions. If you missed the first part of that
conversation, the full interview will be available online @CNN.com/connect soon. Well, meanwhile, on the topic of the tyranny of technology, the
comedian actor Sacha Baron Cohen blasting the leaders of YouTube, Google and Twitter and Alphabet, the Silicon Six as he put it as a Robber barons
of the digital age.
He saved his most blistery attacks in a nearly half hour speech for perhaps the most powerful of all, Facebook and for its power leader, Mark
Zuckerberg. Have a listen to this.
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SACHA BARON COHEN, ACTOR: Zuckerberg tried to portray this whole issue as choices around free expression, that is ludicrous. This is not about
limiting anyone's free speech. This is about giving people including some of the most reprehensible people on earth, the biggest platform in history
to reach a third of the planet. Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. Sadly, there will always be racist, misogynist, anti-Semites and child
abuses.
But I think we can all agree that we should not be giving bigots and pedophiles a free platform to amplify their views and target their victims.
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ANDERSON: Well, Facebook has responded saying Mr. Cohen, "Misrepresented Facebook's policies." Thoughts won't get in touch with us, where else but
on the communications podiums. Those ubiquitous podiums of our lives, those same places we just heard being torn apart.
So that is facebook.com/CNNConnect and also on Twitter @CNNConnect. Feed for thought. Well, ahead on the program, a Hong Kong protester lost a
kidney after police opened fire. What he says he will never forgive the officer who shot him.
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ANDERSON: Well, the man leading U.S. impeachment hearings Adam Schiff says evidence shows and I quote, "Serious misconduct by President Donald Trump
and his dealings with Ukraine." But that is an impeachable offense will be determined in the weeks ahead. However, a House Republican told CNN's Jake
Tapper that no link between aid to Ukraine and an investigation into the Biden's was proven during those hearings.
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ZELDIN: It's not until after they read it and Politico on August 29th, that President Zelensky and his team received confirmation that there's a
hold-on aid. The aid -- the hold-on a got lifted shortly thereafter, Ukraine didn't have to do anything to get the hold on aid lifted.
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ANDERSON: Uh-hmm. After two weeks of testimony the Intelligence Committee now writing up its report, the Democrats hope to hold a final vote on
impeachment by Christmas. More on than of course as we get it. Right now, Hong Kong awaiting results of a record-breaking local election. Voting for
district council wrapped up just a couple of hours ago. Calls for full democracy remains strong after six months.
So protests there and unrest as of the last count, 2.8 million people voted. That beats the record said in 2015 by nearly a million and a half
voters. This election is clearly seen as a referendum for the city's chief executive Carrie Lam who is backed by Beijing.
Joining me now, our international security editor, Nick Paton Walsh. So Nick, this record high turnout. We are told in impart driven by hundreds
of thousands of first-time voters which perhaps is no surprise given what we've seen on the streets in the last six months.
Youngsters out demonstrating. Simple question it seems, this time around, whose side are you on? Prodemocracy or pro establishment? Correct?
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR: Yes, and we've seen most likely this turnout go over 70 percent which is remarkable given just
a matter of years ago. It was in the high 40s. Behind me you're seeing counting getting underway in one of the main central polling stations.
There were about 5000 votes.
We cast about 64 percent or so turnout here. Now, brief moment of tension here where voters asked those observing here, the counting process asked
why two ballot boxes have been brought in or those for people who weren't able to actually attend the station themselves.
But it shows really the sense of tension here as they await the results were for five or six hours or so at least away until we start seeing some
kind of tally of that. But you're right.
This is a referendum, not necessarily on the chief executive Carrie Lam but simply the direction of Hong Kong after months of protests on the streets
which are frankly pushed Hong Kong into recession given the disruption they've caused, many who are pro-Beijing hope perhaps a silent majority
here may step forward and say they want to see an end to this chaos and greater government control or those who back democracy here want to see
this as a resounding show of support for greater universal suffrage across Hong Kong here.
But that really is the issue that will have to be resolved in the hours ahead. The broader concern being that this isn't actually a massively
consequential election. These are small district seats they decide trash collection.
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WALSH: They have eventually influence perhaps on who becomes the next chief executive. But that election isn't due until 2022. So there is
possibly more expectation on the results of this election. There may be deliverable bias results. Certainly tomorrow that isn't going to change
the political makeup of Hong Kong suddenly, overnight. What people have seen though, is remarkably peaceful weekend.
Perhaps the most peaceful is seen in months no tear gas deployed. That's a rarity, frankly, but then it'd be preceded by intense violence. Some of it
sparked by the injury of some protesters, one of whom we spoke to ourselves.
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WALSH: These wounds were felt across Hong Kong.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the most pain area.
WALSH: Patrick Chow is one of a handful of protesters to be shot by police and this unrest. Get his injuries swamp the last 10 days of extreme
violence. A student aged 21, Chow voices husky from the hospital breathing shows. So you're missing a kidney?
PATRICK CHOW, INJURED PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTER: Yes. I'm missing a kidney.
WALSH: Chow is out on bail faces possible court charges and is legally advised to not discuss how he came to be here. In this graphic video that
captures the shooting. Chow is in black. What did you think when you saw the pistol?
CHOW: It's ridiculous. We'd done nothing and he take out his gun and pointed -- not point at me, pointed at a white guy, the white jacket guy.
And I said, why, why point at him? He done nothing and we have done nothing. He point at me. And bang. And I
fall -- and I sit on the ground.
WALSH: His father sits behind in support. Are you proud of what he did? The police officer has gone on leave but been identified online by
protesters, his children threatened. Police have said the officer had feared his gun would be snatched. What would you say to that policeman who
shot you, if you saw him again?
CHOW: Why did you shoot the people with no weapon?
WALSH: Would you forgive him? If he said to you and he was scared?
CHOW: No, no, no. Never forgive. He took my kidney.
WALSH: Do you worry that the hate is here to stay now in Hong Kong?
CHOW: Hate has become more bigger in Hong Kong now but because it's the government and police. Police is -- they ignore the human rights. It
makes their hate become bigger and bigger. This generation has been chosen, so we have to keep fighting for our demands until we get what we want.
WALSH: Demands and violence that daily drive further and further away from compromise.
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WALSH: Now, Becky, they are double checking some of the counting of behind me here and really the hours ahead could be a source of great
disappointment for many voters here because analysts suggest that a high turnout may well favor the prodemocracy vote but because of how votes are
allocated here, even if a prodemocracy movement here got a large number of the votes that may not suddenly translate into a huge number of local seats
in their favor.
That could cause tension possibly in the days ahead and pro-Beijing voters may also be disappointed too. If they don't feel the protests calm down if
majority of voters for example seem to want to turn their back on the chaotic months ahead. So a lot riding on here and certainly I think it was
fair to say both sides will not likely be satisfied overnight with whatever result we hear in our head, Becky.
ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh, he's in Hong Kong for you. Thank you, Nick. Well, let's get you up to speed on some of the other stories that are on
our radar right now. And in Kenya, more than two dozen people are dead after a landslide in the northwestern part of the country. Official say at
least 37 children were among the fatalities. Heavy rain, swept away roads and bridges making rescue efforts even more difficult.
Authorities urge people to move to safer ground as the heavy rainfall continues. At least 17 people are dead after a plane crash into homes in
the Democratic Republic of Congo on Sunday. Authorities say the plane operated by private airline crashed shortly after it took off from the
airport. Accidents aren't so common in Congo that the country's commercial flights are not allowed to fly into the European Union's airspace.
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ANDERSON: A news just coming in. An attorney for an Egyptian online newspaper says Mada Masr's news editor and three other journalists are free
after being arrested. Shady Zalat was arrested Saturday and the other three were arrested in a raid by security forces today. Thousands of free
historic beasts save the planet. Well, the famous owner of these bison hope so. We'll look at how they could help turn the tide of climate
change. That is after this
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ANDERSON: CNN's new commitment to engage you, our global audience called Call to Earth with the inspirational stories of the people in solutions
turning the tide of climate change. Our first profile is a man whose dream it was to restore prehistoric beasts to the prairies of the American West.
That man just happened to also revolutionize television news. CNN founder, Ted Turner, CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta spent time
on Ted's ranch to learn how the American bison might actually help save the planet.
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DANNY JOHNSON, MANAGER, FLYING D RANCH: What you're looking at here is 30 years of letting nature take its course. And Ted having the vision to make
this happen. My name is Danny Johnson. I manage the Flying D Ranch for Ted Turner. And I've been with him for 25 years. This has always been
historically a cattle ranch and converting it to bison. People were worried about bison and not staying on the property. They were worried
about their own livestock. They're worried about disease transmissions.
TODD WILKINSON, AUTHOR, LAST STAND: We alienated a lot of local people. It was an audacious thing to say I'm going to replace all the cattle with
bison.
JOHNSON: Absolutely crazy, absolutely crazy.
SANJAY GUPTA, CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: When these cattle ranchers and other people came to you and said, Ted, this is cattle land. Why are you
doing bison here?
TED TURNER, CNN FOUNDER: It was Bison land. Bison were here before the cattle. The cattle game over from Europe, bison were already here.
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JOHNSON: Bison use the land differently. Were a cattle on a hot summer day might be loafing in a right (INAUDIBLE) area which would compact the
willows and (INAUDIBLE) bison would prefer to be at a hilltop catching the breeze and seeing the vista up there. They're always on the move. They're
sharp hood animal. So instead of compacting the ground, we're actually slicing the ground with their hose, which allow seats to take root.
GUPTA: They're such majestic creatures and it just feels like the way the earth should be. The natural environment like this actually means that the
grass is going to be different. The way that they graze, the soil is going to be different because of the grass that's growing in it. And as a
result, it's grass like this, it's actually pulling carbon dioxide out of the air. So this bison can actually help save the planet.
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ANDERSON: We will continue highlighting what is this original series or this week? Take a look at tomorrow's episode as we celebrate the launch of
Call to Earth and let us know what you are doing to answer this call. The tweet hashtag is #calltoearth. Back after this.
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ANDERSON: As we come to the end of our show, we want to circle back to our top story this hour. The growing impeachment push against the American
president who must be said may have a little problem with the truth. If you are keeping count at home while you've probably lost track, he's made -
- get this, more than 1200 false claims just since this summer. Coming up this week.
We are taking a deeper look at the impact of all of these lies on Wall Street, Hong Kong grass and on the American psyche and a brand new CNN
special report. Have a look at this.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They defeated ISIS.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all know he does it.
TRUMP: The whistleblower has been very inaccurate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's the Babe Ruth of lies.
TRUMP: Windmill. They say the noise causes cancer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a drug free.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no president that wide as if it were a form of breathing except Donald Trump.
TRUMP: Nobody's been more transparent than me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This isn't a partisan thing. He just empirically says a tremendous number of things that are just completely wrong.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, exactly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In recent months, it's been about 22 a day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump lies about every conceivable topic from the weather. The infamous shark bite. You can't make this stuff up.
TRUMP: Stronger, bigger, cheaper.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To immigration and trade.
TURMP: We're not paying for the tariffs. China is paying for the tariffs for the 100 times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's wrong.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, we wanted to know, what is the impact of all these lies? In the U.S.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Research shows that repetition increases the belief and false news.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On Capitol Hill.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The President was a factor in my decision not to run again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In science.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's at stake?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the world.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The President stands up and basically says.
TRUMP: What a great outcome. Congratulations.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, no, that's not the case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: American credibility has been shredded, most of what he says should probably be presumed to be false until it's proven to be
true.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am a conservative Republican. Never did I imagine I would be pointing out the gross loss of a Republican president.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People say to me all the time, well, what am I supposed to believe?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What should we believe? Who can we trust?
TRUMP: Just remember what you're seeing in what you're reading is not what's happening.
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ANDERSON: Donald Trump for you. Well, the internet in Iran getting back online this weekend after the longest ever outage that all as the
government tried to cut off information about widespread demonstrations getting out or now we are actually seeing inside burned and broken
storefronts, smashed windows and busted petrol pumps. The government sudden decision to massively increase the price of petrol setting off the
violence it seems.
So in tonight's parting shots, returned to the masterful stroke of an artist pen, a powerful tool used to give a voice to the oppressed to sneak
into your brain and force you to think cartoonist manner, Maya Neyestani was exiled from his home country, Iran, he reflects on what it means to
live in Iran today.
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MANA NEYESTANI, IRANIAN CARTOONIST: If you want to be running in Iran, if you know want to consider as Iranian by the government, you should follow
the orders. You should follow the tyranny. The corruption. The main reason of the latest protests in Iran is not only the price of the gas,
it's the spreading poverty, spreading corruption. It's about people not satisfy with the regime function. This is not something new.
In my illustrations, I try to show the recent situation of Iran, the anger toward the regime because of lack of freedom, freedom of speech, lack of
social freedom, political freedom. We know the government almost shut down the internet to kill the people in silence. I think the biggest weakness
of the Iranian regime is the free flow of the informations. I tried to be the voice of part of the people of Iran who has no voice in the official
national media.
I hope to achieve democracy. I know that is a big war, say achieving democracy by drawing cartoons but this is one small step. This is the only
problem, this is the only step I could take.
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ANDERSON: Power of the cartoonist pen. Before we go, have a listen to this.
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ANDERSON: That is a very quick look at one of cold plays concerts in Amman, Jordan on Friday launching their new album from atop the Citadel at
sunrise. The band is one more show in London next week to promote its new album Everyday Life. But after that, they plan to take a break from
touring to focus on producing environmentally friendly concerts. Lead singer Chris Martin says a dream future concert would use mostly solar
power and eliminate single use plastics. What a shot that is. Amazing.
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ANDERSON: I'm Becky Anderson. That was CONNECT THE WORLD. I hope you feel connected. That's for watching.
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