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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Hello and welcome. I'm Hala Gorani. Ahead this hour, a new CNN poll uncovers major racial divisions in the UK.
We'll look closer while so many black Britain's feel let down by their own country.
Also ahead record setting numbers of Coronavirus cases around the world and it is infecting more young people. Plus less than two weeks after NASCAR
banned the confederate flag at races, news was found hanging in the garage stall of the only full-time African-American driver, Bubba Wallace.
We begin this hour with exclusive CNN polling that paints a disturbing picture of racism in Britain. We worked with Savanta ComRes and spoke to
people in England, Scotland in Whales. The poll shows that majority of black people in the UK believe that the governing conservative party is
institutionally racist. And it finds the black people are twice as likely as white people to say that there is discrimination and policing, media and
politics.
We're seeing these types of trends everywhere around the world. The polls comes amid a global resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement, sparked
by the death of George Floyd who pleaded for his life, while pinned down under the knee of a Minneapolis Police Officer.
The poll comes on Windrush Day, which honors the 1948 rival of Caribbean immigrants on the Empire Windrush that is the ship that carried the first
large group of common wealth citizens from the Caribbean to Britain to help rebuild the country after World War II. But many in the Windrush
generations say they continue to suffer under institutional racism. Nima Elbagir has more.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're not saying our black lives matter more than you we're saying our black lives matter, too. The arrival of modern 400
Jamaicans, they have come to help the motherland along the road to prosperity.
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NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A way from the Rolex of Empire and the longer abandoned vestiges of colonial grandeur, what does
it really mean to be black and British today? This - appears the pilot, a spoken world artist struggling to make sense of it all through poems like
this one.
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PIERS HARRISON-REID, PIERS THE POET: And if we aren't heard with the knee or a raised fist, how else can we resist? I think the greatest trick race
has ever played was convincing England that doesn't exist.
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ELBAGIR: For decades, Britain has been having its own race reckoning. In the past, the spark has been police brutality, social injustice or income
inequality. But underpinning it all, a sense, many say, that to be black and to be British is to feel unwelcome in your own home. The black lives
matter movement has crossed the Atlantic and awakened uncomfortable conversations.
Now an exclusive CNN/Savanta Res Poll has found how sharply the nation is divided along race lines policing, representation, and history? It's clear
that to be black in Britain is almost to live in a different country.
Five black British friends gained global fame after a picture of them carrying a white man to safety from the middle of the crush of a violent
London protest went viral hailed as heroes, but the truth is more complicated.
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CHRIS OTOKITO, BUSINESSMAN: We, as brothers, as sons, as fathers, have that little trust in the police on Saturday that we had to typically call on to
do their job for them.
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ELBAGIR: Our poll fan black people are twice as likely as white people to say they have not been treated with respect by police.
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PIERRE NOAH, BUSINESSMAN: Those were protected by the police, not at all.
PATRICK HUTCHINSON, PERSONAL TRAINER: The police institutionally racist, there may be individuals within the system, they're trying to do a good
job, but have a collective, they're racist.
ELBAGIR: What do you think a police officer thinks when he looks at you?
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HUTCHINSON: Color, race, color. First thing they notice, and that should be the last thing they notice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unfortunately, threat.
ELBAGIR: You think the first thing a police officer sees, when they look at you, a black man, is a threat?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they see us as the majority of society sees us as a threat, and it's a fear.
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ELBAGIR: And it's not just the police. When it comes to other institutions of power, the racial divide is just as stark. Black people are
significantly more likely than white people to say the party in power, the conservatives, is institutionally racist.
The final moments of the toppling of the statue of slave trader Edward Colston for over a century, he presided over the Central Square in British
City of Bristol. Then protesters took matters into their own hands.
You can see the hugely emotional moment when the crowd, white and black, rolled Colston statue to the docks where the human beings he traded were
auctioned off, which a local musician was there that day. He grew up in the shadow of Colston's statue, and he watched it.
This is embedded deep in the roots, in education systems, in the public sectors, and everything - Things have got to change!
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WISH, MUSICIAN: We don't have a statue of Hitler, so why would you have a statue of him? Do you know what I mean? I mean, it's just kind of like when
people were say, they don't want to take away the culture and the roots, but it's like - that what you got books for.
That's what the libraries are there for; the internet is there for you. You don't need a statue for the system to change, the institutions has got
changed really. We know they're broken and don't work.
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ELBAGIR: Lead by Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, who in his former job as a journalist, he used a colonial era racial slur to mark Africans. The
British government is now threatening to bring in up to ten-year jail sentences for what it calls desecration of history but whose history?
Our polling found black people were more than twice as likely to support the removal of those statues by protesters as white people. And almost
three times as likely to say that the British Empire as a whole was a bad thing.
World War II era British Prime Minister Winston Churchill's history, like much of Britain's, is complicated by the legacy of his role in Britain's
empire. Under his now heavily guided statue, we spoke to Aima. Because it's not just Britain's past. This struggle is also about its present.
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AIMA, ALL BLACKLIVES UK ACTIVIST: I thought why can't a young black woman use her voice to spread the word, because until these protests, I never
knew I had a voice?
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ELBAGIR: Eighteen-year-old Aima is one of the two organizers of the British black lives matter protest. She says she has faced sustained harassment for
that role and asked us not to use her surname. Originally from Nigeria moving to Britain, she says, has been difficult.
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AIMA: When I first moved to this country, I did get racist, anonymous messages from people around my area, and I think that was the first
realization that racism is very prominent in this country, and covert racism, ignorance, going on the tube and seeing women and men clutch their
handbags and their briefcases. Our lives matter and we're not going to stop until the government makes an effort to promote that.
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ELBAGIR: And she's not alone in feeling that way. Black people are nearly twice as likely as white people to say the UK has not done enough to
address historic racial injustice. So what do our findings mean for this nation divided?
What is clear is that there is a divide between what many black Britain's experience and what many white Britain believes that experience to be.
Which means that what so many black leaders, black activists and even just every day, ordinary black Brits have been saying for years is true, that
when they speak about racism, so many of their white countrymen don't believe them.
And that is something that is going to have to be reckoned with if there is any hope for this country to move together towards a united future. Nima
Elbagir, CNN, London.
GORANI: Well, I want to talk more about this CNN poll. I'm joined now by Diane Abbott. She is a labor of party, Member of Parliament and Former
Shadow Home Secretary. And she joins me via Skype. Can I get your reaction to some of this exclusive polling conducted by CNN? More than 50 percent of
black people say there is still very much discrimination in policing, in education and in employment, twice the number of white people.
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How do you react to that big disparity between blacks and whites and how they perceive the same country and the same system?
DIANE ABBOTT, BRITISH LABOUR MP, FORMER BRITISH SHADOW HOME SECRETARY: I'm afraid I'm not surprised. The issues about institutional racism and
policing are very longstanding. We have had riots since 1985. In 2011, they were about police activity and the deaths of black people at the hands of
the police.
Education, particularly interested in the black children who underachieve in the British educational system because they're not given the school they
should get. I'm afraid it doesn't surprise me.
GORANI: Yes. But it's - there is a big disparity between how whites perceive the system and how blacks do. You tweeted out a picture of your
mother, your parents from the Windrush generation. You tweeted suffered blatant discrimination in housing and unemployment. What more needs to be
done today now, now that there seems to be a higher level of awareness among whites of the systemic racism issues?
ABBOTT: Well, we need to look at the way policing operates. There are people saying that British police should be - they are not armed. But
people are saying there should be - chasers, that shouldn't happen. We have to look at improving police and these relations, it's not further arming
police officers.
On the question of employment, we need to set target for recruitment. We know what has to be done in order to get justice for black people, whether
it's in relation to law and order or to employment or education. The political will has not existed. And I hope now we're going to see some
political will to do what needs to be done.
GORANI: Yes. I mean, the conservative government of Boris Johnson, do you think that they are starting to show that they understand some of the
frustrations that people of color have in Britain?
ABBOTT: The conservative government is paying lip service, but they're not really taking action. I think Boris Johnson says he's going to have some
commission to race inequality, but we've had so many commissions and enquiries, and it's not actually implementing those decisions. And they
sounded this is more concerned about damaging the statue in Bristol - than that they were over hundreds of thousands of African heritage people that
died during slavery.
GORANI: Yes. And I'm going to be speaking to the Conservative Mayoral Candidate, Shaun Bailey, who himself is black. And I'm going to be putting
to him one of the results of the CNN poll that 58 percent of black Britain's believe the conservative party is institutionally racist versus
39 percent of white Britain's.
What would you say to Shaun Bailey who is running for Mayor regarding results like that and polling like that, that they believe that the
conservative party is racist?
ABBOTT: He needs to be reminded that people were very disappointed with the inquiry into black deaths from Coronavirus, that it didn't come up with any
practical recommendations and people certainly don't care. He needs to be reminded that black people are very concerned about the disproportionate
levels of stop and search.
And he needs to be reminded that year on year, very large numbers of black and Asian people continue to vote for the labor party, because the tourist
have long been seen a - racist to not to care about black Britain.
GORANI: Diane Abbott, thank you so much, Labor Member of Parliament, for joining us. Really appreciate it on CNN. Coming up, the United States is
still in its first wave of Coronavirus infections, and for almost half the states, cases are still climbing.
Plus, the U.K.s Prime Minister says new social distancing guidelines could be revised soon. Those details next.
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GORANI: Well, if you're getting tired of the corona virus, it's not getting tired of us. This weekend the World Health Organization announced new
milestones in the Coronavirus pandemic. There were 183,000 cases worldwide Sunday alone. That is the highest number of new reported cases ever.
The jump is linked to a surge in the Americas which had more than 116,000 new cases, many of those in Brazil, and in the U.S., nearly half of the
states are reporting a rise as well in cases. Some are even reaching new highs.
On Saturday Florida recorded more than 4,000 new cases, the most reported in a single day. But the CDC said to expect a lower death rate for this
surge as officials in several states reported a rise in cases for people in their 20s and 30s.
And usually, and we've seen this in the past, when younger people contract COVID, a smaller percentage of them die versus older people. CNN
Correspondent Rosa Flores joins me now from Miami, Florida. How are authorities explaining this spike in cases in Florida?
ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Hala. Here in Florida the Governor is saying that it is due to young people not social distancing, not wearing
masks. But, you know, we're seeing that across the country. As you mentioned, 23 U.S. States are seeing upward trends in the past two weeks 11
of those of more than 50 percent.
With all that said, the White House continues to send mixed messages about the pandemic as the United States is about to hit a grim milestone, 120,000
American fatalities. The Trump Administration says it's preparing for a possible second wave of the Coronavirus after a week of downplaying the
recent surge sweeping across nearly half the nation.
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PETER NAVARRO, WHITE HOUSE TRADE ADVISER: We are filling the stockpile in anticipation of a possible problem in the fall. We are doing everything we
can beneath the surface, working as hard as we possibly can.
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FLORES: Last week Vice President, Mike Pence said in a "Wall Street Journal" op-ed that panics over a second wave was overblown. And on
Saturday, President Trump said this to supporters about Coronavirus testing.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: So I said to my people, slow the testing down, please. They test and they test. We have tests of
people who don't know what's going on.
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FLORES: His staff leader said he was joking, but the increase in cases with an at least 23 states is very serious for many state leaders.
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KEISHA LANCE BOTTOMS, ATLANTA MAYOR: Do you think the 120,000 families out there who are missing their loved ones thought it was funny?
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FLORES: With focus on Florida as a possible epicenter of corona virus, Governor Ron DeSantis is now admitting the recent spike in cases isn't only
due to testing, while highlighting a shift in just who is receiving positive results.
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RON DESANTIS, FLORIDA GOVERNOR: Increasing are being flat, the number of people testing positive is accelerating faster than that.
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DESANTIS: And so, that's evidence that there is transmission within those communities, particularly the 20s and 30s.
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FLORES: While some officials say more young people are being diagnosed due to widespread testing, others suggest it's because they fail to follow
social distancing measures either way, health experts sending this warning.
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DR. WILLIAM SCHAFFNER, PROF, DIV. OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES, VANDERBILT UNIV. SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: These people tend to be less symptomatic, they get less
ill and they tend, therefore, to be spreaders. They can spread it among their fellow workers, their family members.
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FLORES: There is also a surge in Arizona where Trump is scheduled to hold a campaign rally tomorrow cases nearly doubling there over the past two weeks
and passing the 50,000 mark. Still, Republican Governor Doug Ducey says, he has no plans to slow the reopening of the state.
In Phoenix City Council voting to make masks mandatory and pubic for its residents with a county also issuing an order Phoenix Democratic Mayor
says, she hopes the President will comply during his visit, despite repeatedly avoiding masks and other events during the pandemic.
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KATE GALLEGO, PHOENIX, ARIZONA MAYOR: One of the reasons we have this growth in Arizona is complacency. We've had elected officials say the worst
was over a month ago. That was not the case and we're seeing records of the type we don't want to break.
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FLORES: Now, Florida just crossed 100,000 cases in the past half hour. Now another important metric are hospitalizations. Here locally in Miami-Dade
County, leaders say that hospitalizations are up.
The State of Florida, Hala, does not release those numbers, the number of COVID-19 patients in the state, but we are getting a sense of what those
numbers are looking like. Jackson Health, one of the largest health systems here in the state of Florida, released their numbers, and in the past two
weeks, they've seen an uptick of 75 percent, Hala?
GORANI: Wow. All right, Rosa Flores, thank you very much. Well, Beijing has locked down two construction sites after three workers tested positive for
COVID-19. The city has seen more than 230 new cases since June 11, and has been testing those who either went to or had close ties with a market where
the resurgence is start to have begun.
David Culver joins me now live from Beijing with more. Authorities are not taking any chances. They're shutting down areas where cases are being
reported, but at the same time, we're seeing cases kind of being reported and registered and observed in various parts of the capital, and that has
to be a concern here.
DAVID CULVER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's incredibly alarming, Hala, and that's why they have taken this response that has been, in some parts of the
capital city, rather extreme. You have Wuhan-style lockdowns going on in certain neighborhoods.
So, it's very compartmentalized, and obviously it will has to do with those regions closest to that Wuhan market, that initial outbreak, that cluster
outbreak as they're describing it here. They are still seeing new cases added each day.
The most recent was nine, so it doesn't seem like a very large number when you compare it certainly internationally to what other places are dealing
with, particularly the U.S. However, it's concerning here because they have been touting the successes and control over this virus.
What they are now looking at is some of the impact of certain businesses, for example. You mentioned that construction site, two of them, in fact,
that were shut down. We know 400 of them were tested because they're looking at places where people are in close quarters, working shoulder to
shoulder. They've also shut down a factory that belongs to PepsiCo, so they make potato chips there. That has been shuttered.
And then even internationally, they're concerned with what might be coming into the country. Because a lot of focus has been on the imported cases,
and they even say that this market cluster outbreak was a European strain of the virus.
That's how they are investigating this right now until they say, potentially, initially they thought one of two theories. Maybe it came in
on salmon and came in to the seafood and then was transferred that way.
The more likely of the two scenarios, though, is that it was an infected individual who then was shoulder-to-shoulder in that market and the human-
to-human transmission happened. However, they're not taking any chances with certain imports, including from Tyson's food out of the U.S after a
plant there had to close because of a virus outbreak, the Coronavirus outbreak amongst employees.
And so, those imports on certain meats from Tyson, Hala, have likewise been halted here. So they are extreme in certain responses, but you have to
remember, this is the capital city. Beijing was a fortress through much of the outbreak over the past five months or so.
It was - even difficult to travel into if you were in other parts of China. And so, for this outbreak to have happened, it was initially rather
frustrating, embarrassing and so, they reacted what seems to be pretty quickly.
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GORANI: Alright. Thanks very much, David Culver in Beijing. So, while some countries are watched a rise in cases in the United Kingdom, people are
waiting to hear new social distancing guidelines, currently its two meters. Prime Minister, Boris Johnson hinted about plans to ease restrictions even
more.
The Health Secretaries says that will include new protective measures that will allow more social interactions. What does that mean, exactly? Salma
Abdelaziz joins me live in London with more on that, Salma?
SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN PRODUCER: Hi, Hala. We've just gotten an update that U.K. has recorded its lowest daily death toll increase. That's of course as
the government says that it is on track to ease restrictions on July 4th. Prime Minister Boris Johnson made a statement yesterday and he told the
public, watch this face, you won't be waiting much longer, we will have updates for you this week.
Now July 4th is of course that crucial date when we expect that bars, restaurants, possibly hotels, hair salons will reopen in this country.
Another matter that's under urgent review by the government is the social distancing measures, those rules that require you to remain two meters
apart.
Those might be eased up to allow businesses to take in more customers and make more money. But the Prime Minister was, of course cautious. He said
that the country has to maintain its vice-like grip on the virus. But there have been, of course, optimistic signs. The alert level for corona virus
was lowered from level 4 to level 3 recently, and everyone here is very eager and anxious to see these bars and restaurants and pubs all around me
here reopen, Hala.
GORANI: All right, Salma Abdelaziz thanks very much. Coming up, new CNN polling reveals major racial divisions in the United Kingdom. We'll look
back at Britain centuries of deeply rooted inequality. Plus the White House response contradicting earlier reports that Donald Trump was upset over his
disappointing rally in Tulsa, we're live at the White House with that.
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GORANI: The killing of American George Floyd was a catalyst for protests around the world. Black lives matter protests in Britain as well demanding
an end to racial injustice. But as author Afua Hirsch explains, the black experience has been shaped by centuries of deeply rooted inequality.
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AFUA HIRSCH, AUTHOR, "BRITISH: ON RACE, IDENTITY AND BELONGING": There is a real tendency in Britain to believe that racism, and especially anti-black
racism that originates my history slavery colonialism is an American problem. We often sit in complacency and talk about how terrible things are
in America.
The irony is this was a form of racism and ideology that was invented here in Britain and for that British people we have been living at ground zero
this ideology without any recognition of the ways in which it is safe I lived experience.
It is really fascinating how statues spontaneously became senses for protests during this movement because no one was really asking for them to
be taken down as a specific response to the murder of George Floyd.
But for so many of us they represent all of the onset and it raised thoughts about history. The reality is that we glorify people who are
hustling and institutionally complicit even enthusiastic about the mud of the genocide the appropriation of land and the incitement of black people.
Many of the figures that we elevate on statues were involved military expeditions people like Admiral Nelson who's remembered for defeating the
French in a critically important role for the British. But let's not remember to say he passed me supported the slave trade.
He used his political privilege to advocate against the abolition of the slave trade. Winston Churchill rightly remembered for his role in enabling
the allies when the second World War but it's not mutually exclusive to acknowledge that and remember that he also was obsessed with racist ideas
about Africans about Indians so much so that even his conservative even educated cabinet colleagues were concerned that his racism with clouding
his judgment.
Until we can look at the statues in an honest way and have a conversation which has not been happening I don't think it's acceptable to leave them in
these positions where they glorified in public spaces and all the messages that the British people about what we stand for as a nation.
Black people in the U. K. a living everyday legacy system of race was great too many black people in Britain all the descendants of immigrants who were
specific people to this country live in substandard housing that children receive education are we still see the results of that black children also
are much more likely to be excluded from school black people are more likely to live in inadequate housing and impoverished areas.
Black people are more likely to work on unfair labor terms. This is my last time to really hone in on the black experience and to stop tiptoeing around
it as the society has always done.
GORANI: Afua Hirsch returning now to CNN's exclusive polling that shows major racial divides in the UK including when it comes to Britain's
political parties. Black people are significantly more likely to say the country's conservative foreign party is institutionally racist although a
sizeable minority of white people agrees you see it there 39 percent.
A Conservative Party spokesperson says "We're proud to be a party that champions and supports opportunity for all of all races, religions and
backgrounds" So that's the response from the Conservative Party.
Prejudice and discrimination have no place in the Conservative Party and we will never stand by when it comes to abuse of any kind. Shaun Bailey is the
conservative London Mayoral Candidate for 2021 his grandparents were part of the Windrush generation who came to Britain from Jamaica and the years
following World War II.
And Bailey joins me now live from Romford, England. Thanks for joining us what do you make of 1 of the findings of this exclusive CNN polling that
suggests that a vast majority of black Britons believe your party the Conservative Party is institutionally racist what would you say to them?
SHAUN BAILEY, CONSERVATIVE LONDON MAYORAL CANDIDATE 2021: And good afternoon to you and all your listeners. The first thing I'd say is this
for me doesn't cover much new ground. It's a conversation that has been had in England for - in Britain sorry for many, many years about which party is
more racist or not.
And you control for history both parties history and find that. The point I'd make is what's the impact going to be going forward? What is the change
we're looking for? If I go back to a particular point when you look at the Windrush scandal for instance the Conservative Party is meant only because
we all the government.
But the point is that's a scandal that's been brewing for probably 18 years and more. Some people say 50 years and in that time we've had plenty
neighbor government but it didn't focus on it and it's a shame for all people in the political class not just the conservative party.
GORANI: Right, but you're saying it's not new. You know it's not new and black people would be the first to tell you this.
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GORANI: And I'm sure you've heard it many, many times before people of color have complained. But it's disproportionately the view among black and
people of color that it's the Conservative Party that is more institutionally racist. We have another finding the Labor Party has
institutionally races 31 percent of blacks agree 34 percent of whites agree. So it's really your party that most people perceive as having an
issue with race?
BAILEY: I guess and I don't argue with your stats, but what I would say it's because the Conservative Party is more connected to being government
actually delivering for the country to being the government and I think that's where it happens.
I think the real question to answer is, what is the whole political class doing? How did black people view that colossal people? That's my major
concern because changing Britain will come when it moves away from politics.
If one person owns it for political party or not you don't get any change. It becomes a political mind feelings it is a battle. What we're talking
about now is to start to change and that needs to change of hearts and minds of political parties don't own that space they cannot deliver in that
arena.
GORANI: Yes, and do - you have - you yourself have also been the victim and the target of racist attacks in your political career right?
BAILEY: Well sure, I've had attacks from people from all political backgrounds. I've received one just the other day. I was sitting in what in
the chamber virtually and someone sent me an email saying go back to my house and that brings me to the real point of the black lives matter
campaign as it signs in Britain as far as I can see.
Yes, people keep talking about the law. Yes people keep talking about Conservative Party, Labor Party politics but that actually this is a battle
for hearts and minds. Institutions are not racist it's the people within them who enact those systems in that institution.
And if we cannot bring the country with us then we'll make no progress. So the idea that you can just point fingers and calls everyone a racist and
feels that that's going to get anywhere. I can guarantee you will not make any change. We need to bring people with us. If we learned nothing from Dr.
Martin Luther King that should be detained this is a challenge for all people' not just black people white people.
GORANI: But when you say institutions kick aren't racist people are raised, so fundamentally institutions that don't represent that aren't an accurate
and fair reflection of the population of the country are certainly racially unjust and unequal? Did you agree with that I mean the representation in
education in the board rooms in politics your field is very inadequate is known for people of color?
BAILEY: I think that's a very simplistic look at a problem. What you've affected be said is that someone who's not of my race cannot represent me.
I push back on that slightly because this is actually not at all--
GORANI: That's actually not at all what I said. I'm not talking about quotas and I'm not saying that people who are white can't represent black
people. I'm just saying that if you do not have a reflection of your country's population in boardrooms in the political class in education and
employment that that is not necessarily just reflection of society in a just a division of political power that you don't agree with that?
BAILEY: What I'm saying is what would be a justification is our children succeed in school. What be a justification is us not struggling financially
in ways being at that point in a pile socially. What that means is many people both black and white in power out of power to respect us just as a
group of people.
My personal taken only season I don't want extra. I want the same as everybody else. I believe in the talent in the in the black community. I
believe when we are giving the same opportunities we will succeed as well.
But what I don't want is to be keep pointing fingers at people and accusing them of being racist because what they'll do they'll put they'll pull
together. And they'll make sure that black people don't succeed. This is about bringing people along together.
GORANI: And when you were chosen as the Conservative Mayoral Candidate you came under criticism yourself for something you wrote when you were much
younger in 2005 for the Center for Policy Studies. You said essentially if Muslims and Hindus are accommodated in Britain that you rob the country of
its community and without community you slip into a crime riddled cesspool.
You have apologized for that but do you now regret writing those words? I mean have you come to a different understanding of multi-culturalism in
Britain just since you've entered politics?
BAILEY: You know what I wrote was talking about how we build community? I grew up in a very big Muslim community, I happen to be a practicing
Christian. And how we got along is because we allowed our families to raise our children in the traditions that we were born.
And what I say to people was if what I've written has caused you some confusion some paint more than happy to apologize. Politicians who won't
apologized to my mind it was what I was really focusing on is what it used to be British.
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BAILEY: We want to have a society we can and you can follow your own God and your children have no impediment on their future and that means a
shared society, a shared community, a shared idea of what it means to be successful and that's what I was focusing on.
Because on a day to day basis I was faced with poor children and their parents who were saying why can't we get forward? And I was trying to
explain to people these are some of the challenges we face as non white people in this country as plan to get out and faced them together.
But make sure we include our white counterparts in this because this isn't about them versus us. It's about coming together and moving forward
together which for us was reading point because of course in our own community and we had many poor white people as well.
GORANI: Right. And a quick last one on your campaign I mean you're obviously hoping to be the next Mayor of London. Are you imagining yourself
already replacing Sadik Khan next year?
BAILEY: I tend not to do things. What I tend to do is go around and speak to people. You were talking about London, who was born and bred, I've been
homeless. I've been a - for 20 years. I've done so much coming to work across London what I want to do is represent the people in London who are
fighting to pay their bills every day.
The people in London who just want a break to get ahead of what that means is, I don't wake up in the morning imagining I'm a Mayor. I wake up in the
morning with three things on my mind what can I learn today to support the poor people in my community and the people are trying to get ahead and the
weak and the vulnerable? That's what I'm about imagining being a Mayor. So I do want to talk.
GORANI: All right, Shaun Bailey thank you very much the Tory Candidate for Mayor of London. It tends to block John Bolton's scathing new book about
the Trump Presidency have failed. Hear what Donald Trump and his advisers say ahead of the book's release. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Donald Trump's aides are reconsidering what the U. S. President's upcoming political events will look like after a very underwhelming turnout
at his campaign rally on Saturday in Tulsa, Oklahoma? Meanwhile Mr. Trump is lashing out at his Former National Security Adviser John Bolton his
scathing book is due to be released after a judge refused to block its publication.
Joe Johns joins me now live from the White House with more. A word on the rally in Tulsa because this is this was really a big embarrassment for the
campaign. They spent days before this event you know bragging about more than a million ticket requests and then they ended up with a little over
6000 people in the arena with a capacity of 19000. How are they explaining this disappointing number?
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are a lot of factors as you know multiple factors that might have contributed to the
situation out there in Tulsa.
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JOHNS: But overall I think the 30000 foot view how is 30000 foot view Hala is that the Trump Campaign as well as the President himself maybe
discovering the harsh reality of trying to run a campaign in the midst of COVID-19?
Because there is clearly reluctance out there among people who know about this illness to gather together in the same place. Breathe on each other
sit or stand shoulder to shoulder because there is the potential for risk that we heard again and again and again last week.
So what we're being told is that the administration I should say the campaign may have to consider some other ways to do this including open air
structures like maybe an aircraft warehouse or what have you someplace where people have more room to breathe and more room to spread out?
Anyway the other half of this story John Bolton, a lot of people have forgotten the fact that he was probably the longest serving National
Security Adviser for the President and now he is lashing out.
A federal judge is allowing tomorrow's release of Bolton's book "The Room Where it Happened" to proceed despite the White House's repeated attempts
to stop its publication claiming it contains classified information.
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NAVARRO: He is done something that is very, very serious in terms of American National Security and he's got to pay a price for that.
JOHN BOLTON, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I am confident that there's no national security information, no classified information in the book.
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JOHNS: Bolton highlighting the President's relationship with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un.
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BOLTON: The idea that just this only oddness layer of compliments to this brutal dictator would convince him that you could make a deal with Donald
Trump. I thought it was both strikingly naive and dangerous. He told Kim Jong-Un we would give up what he called the war games on the Korean
Peninsula.
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JOHNS: And we're calling his reservations about the now infamous Summit in Helsinki with Vladimir Putin.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You were worried about leaving him alone in a room with Vladimir Putin why?
BOLTON: Because I didn't know what he would say?
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JOHNS: Bolton also confirming what the President has repeatedly denied that Trump wanted dirt on his political rival Joe Biden in exchange for military
aid to Ukraine?
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BOLTON: He said to me directly but that's what he had in mind and I say again. I think it was widely understood at senior levels in the government
that that's exactly what is objective was?
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JOHNS: Rating it was no surprise to anyone that the President of the United States was said to been very angry about the turnout in Tulsa after that
rally though his Press Secretary this morning here in Washington D.C. told reporters and a rival network the President wasn't angry at all, Hala.
GORANI: All right. Joe Johns thanks very much. Well NASCAR is preparing for a big race today in the Southern U. S. State of Alabama but that's being
overshadowed by a hideous symbol of racism that was left in Bubba Wallace's garage. He's the only black driver in NASCAR's top circuit and someone left
news for his team to find Sunday.
Wallace had recently called on the racing route to ban the Confederate flag as anti racist protests nationwide spread following the death of George
Floyd. NASCAR banned the flag nearly 2 weeks ago. Nick Valencia's live Philando with more. What more do we know? I mean obviously NASCAR is
looking into who might have left that news? Are they any closer to finding out?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they are reportedly working with local law enforcement Hala. And this is of course it goes without saying
very troubling especially when you consider the details.
Bubba Wallace as you mentioned the only African-American driver, a top tier driver I should say in NASCAR. It was just recently that he drove the black
lives matter unity car in a race. He's been very vocal about the BLM movement and as well as you mentioned about removing the Confederate flag
which she was able to lobby for successfully removing that flag from NASCAR.
And this is what NASCAR said in a statement about their investigation. We have launched an immediate investigation and we'll do everything we can to
identify the person responsible and eliminate them from the sport. They went on to say that they were outraged and cannot state strongly enough
just how seriously they take this issue, Hala.
And we should mention that just very quickly here that NASCAR should be able to do so relatively easily who is behind this? This happened in a
restricted area where only essential personnel are allowed that includes NASCAR teams, medical staff as well as security teams.
And you would think as well their surveillance footage we have not seen that yet, but you would think they would be very easy for them to figure
out who is behind this and they're working on getting to the bottom of it? Hala.
GORANI: All right, Nick Valencia in Atlanta. Thanks very much. Next we'll look at what other athletes like Lewis Hamilton are doing to address racism
around the world? Some of them are protesting with demonstrators in the streets of London and other cities will be right back.
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GORANI: Well prominent athletes are playing a bigger role in the black lives matter movement globally and few you have a bigger reaching the
Formula1 star Lewis Hamilton. Don Riddell can tell us more about that, Don?
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORTS: Yes Hala, thanks very much. Here the Mercedes drivers has won 6 world titles and will be remembered as one of
the greatest races in the history of the sport if not the greatest.
But he says that he doesn't want to be remembered just for his victories and for his titles in recent weeks Hamilton has become increasingly
outspoken about this moment of racial awakening. He is criticized his own sport for not being more inclusive.
As you can see here he marched in London over the weekend and he's also partnered up with the Royal Academy of Engineering to create the Hamilton
Commission whose mission is to break down the institutional barriers that have kept Formula1 so exclusive.
Lewis Hamilton, Bubba Wallace in NASCAR, Raheem Sterling and many other footballers in Europe and now joining the protest movement began by Collin
Kaepernick, Lebron James and other in the United States a few years ago.
And the power of their voices really cannot be underestimated. Let's continue this conversation with our contributor Darren Lewis with more
perspective on this. Darren you and I've been in this business about the same amount of time you. You've been a reporter covering soccer mainly in
sport throughout Europe for the last quarter of a century. How have you felt covering this movement in the last 3, 4 weeks?
DARREN LEWIS, CNN WORLD SPORT CONTRIBUTOR: This is a good question Don because in the initial 3 weeks or so I thought a huge amount of - I felt a
huge feeling that maybe we were telling a cooling off to a number of storms.
I felt a huge feeling that finally plays were using their commercial power to speak and to make clear the many obstacles highlighted by CNN's survey
which has highlighted the institutional barriers, the invisible barriers, the difficulties that sportsmen and women have faced for so long.
But you know when I hear about the push back, the incident involving over one sorry - the NASCAR new suits. I say to myself, this is the inevitable
backlash. This is the inevitable pushback and this is what we're going to see how strong a lot because I have seen as you say and I've said before
many full stores and I worry that this many brighten sportsmen into coming forward into speaking out.
I spoke before earlier today about the bullets that have been received by the English football - around 10 years ago after he spoke out about the
racial abuse that he has received. Now we've got this situation involving Bubba Wallace and maybe it might just frightening other sportsmen from
being as bold as he has been.
I hope not, I hope we can all show the unity that was shown thus far to be able to get through this period because it does have real signs of positive
change. I'm hoping that we can push through.
RIDDELL: Yes. I mean, we hope that these athletes can continue leading from the front with such dignity that they're showing in the last few weeks. You
know previously lot of athletes professionally were reluctant I think to speak out because they felt as though stepping out of line could have
impacted their employment potential.
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RIDDELL: But the consequences now or perhaps a lot more serious as you're saying with Bubba Wallace. Let's talk quickly about Lewis Hamilton.
Phenomenal racing driver, he's been one of the most dominant guys of his era if not the most with 6 world titles so many records to his name.
And he is really getting vocal now. He has got the microphone. He has got his social media followers on this platform and he's not letting this
moment go. How big of an impact do you think Hamilton can make?
LEWIS: What he has already made a seismic impact, Lewis when he spoke initially laid off to the George Floyd killing - I'm speaking out where's
my sport? Where are the competitors within my sport? Why are people not speaking and that's we have all said in and outside of sport.
In this historic moment silence is complicity. You cannot stay silent in a moment like this when you see what we saw in that video with that knee on
his neck. You cannot stay silent in a moment like this and suddenly after he spoke other competitors in his support began to show their solidarity.
And that's where we are with this moment. It is a seismic moment, one that we must seize on and one that is there for this season.
RIDDELL: And we're seeing in other sports especially football too. Liverpool might win the Premier League title this week. Their player Trent
Alexander Ronald wearing black lives matter boots over the weekend and saying we have to use our profile, the platforms we have in the spotlight
that shines on us to say it is time for meaningful change.
Racism is fire that is now burned out. Profound words there from Trent Alexander Arnold, hugely important actions too. Very well said Darren Lewis
thanks for being with us again and we will continue this conversation in the days and weeks ahead. That's what we got time for just now. Hala, back
to you in London.
GORANI: All right, Don yes, we're really seeing a change in so many areas including sports, entertainment and politics as well. We're having
important conversations. Thanks so much. I'm Hala Gorani, thanks to all of you. I'll see you same time same place tomorrow on CNN.
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