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Democrat Joe Biden Picks Kamala Harris as Running Mate; Biden and Harris to Appear Together in Delaware Today; Russia's "Sputnik V" Vaccine Enters Phase Three Trials; Doctors Fear Trump May Push for Vaccine by Election Day; Explosion Takes Incalculable Emotional Toll on Survivors; Serious Injuries Reported in Scotland Train Derailment; Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-MI) is Interviewed About Kamala Harris as VP Pick; E.U. Foreign Ministers to Meet As Protests Over Results Continue; U.K. Suffers Deepest Recession of Any Major Economy; Uncertainty Over College Football Amid Coronavirus. Aired 10-11a ET
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DR. DHRUV KHULLAR, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF HEALTH POLICY, WEILL CORNELL UNIVERSITY: -- so we need to make those extra efforts to stay connected
with other healthcare workers, with our friends, and with our families.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Kamala Harris, he has someone who's tough, who's run for president, and who is seen as being ready for the job.
HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: D.C's latest power couple, Kamala Harris making history on the Democratic Party ticket.
Then.
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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASE: I hope that the Russians have actually definitively proven that
the vaccine is safe and effective.
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GORANI: Would you take Vladimir's vaccine. We took a look at the countries who are on board with Russia's fast track vaccine.
Plus this.
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No political reform can reverse emotional damage. Our Arwa Damon reports on the psychological impact of the Beirut blast.
Hello, everybody. Welcome to the program. This is Connect to the World.
The 2020 race for the White House is breaking down. Both racial and historical barriers with Democrat Joe Biden's pick for vice president of
the United States. After months of speculation, Biden announced Tuesday that California Senator Kamala Harris will be by his side when he takes on
Donald Trump come November. Now, Harris is the first woman of color to ever appear on a major party ticket in the U.S. As you may have guessed, it
wasn't long before the president of the United States had something to say about Joe Biden's choice. It took just minutes for Donald Trump to lash out
at Kamala Harris using terms like nasty, meanest, and most horrible.
And take a listen to what he told Fox News.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Other people think it's a dangerous choice. I think, you know, she's the most liberal person
supposedly in the Senate. That's pretty liberal. But she's supposed to be the most. I'm not sure that's what the country wants. I think if it is,
we've got problems. But I would be surprised if it is.
She wants to raise taxes. She wants to get rid of your Second Amendment. No guns for protection, no nothing. She is very strong in the Second Amendment
getting rid of it. And very bad to the military. She wants to cut the military.
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GORANI: All right, the Second Amendment statement that Donald Trump made. There's -- not factually correct. Joe Biden does not stand for removing the
Second Amendment from the constitution.
Harris was apparently told just 90 minutes before the official announcement that she was Biden's pick for vice president. CNN's Arlette Saenz has more
on the political pair now vying for the White House.
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ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER (voice-over): With Election Day 83 days away, the Democratic ticket is now set within a historic pairing. Joe
Biden selecting California Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate, telling her the news during a Zoom call from his Delaware home.
The two faced off last year in the Democratic primary, including this heated debate moment over school busing.
SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: And she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me.
SAENZ (voice-over): But Biden insists he doesn't hold grudges, and chose a former rival who's done battle on the campaign trail.
JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Senator Harris has the capacity to be anything she wants to be. I mean, she's real. She's solid, she is -- she
can be president someday herself.
HARRIS: And Joe Biden is on the ballot in 2020.
SAENZ (voice-over): Campaigning together in Detroit this spring, Biden portrayed himself as a link to the next generation including Harris.
BIDEN: I view myself as a bridge not as anything else. There's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this
country.
SAENZ (voice-over): Harris' early career included a stint as district attorney in San Francisco, before serving as California's attorney general.
In 2016, she was elected to the U.S. Senate where she rose in prominence for her grilling of President Trump's nominees.
HARRIS: Can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body?
SAENZ (voice-over): The 55-year-old Democrat is one of only three women to appear in the VP slot for a major party ticket, following Democrat
Geraldine Ferraro in 1984 and Republican Sarah Palin in 2008.
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But Harris, the daughter of Jamaican and Indian immigrants is making history of her own, becoming the first woman of color as a vice
presidential nominee.
On the campaign trail, parents often brought their young daughters to see a biracial woman vying for the nation's top job.
HARRIS: When I see those little girls in particular, I mean, I see myself, right. And I see the children of my family and I see the children of our
country.
SAENZ (voice-over): Harris also shared a special bond with Biden's late son, Beau. The two becoming close when they each served as attorneys
general in their home states.
HARRIS: I got to know Joe through Beau, because you've never seen -- it's a rare thing to see such a special relationship between a father and his son.
I know Joe and that's why I'm supporting him.
SAENZ (voice-over): Biden telling supporters Tuesday, there is no one's in opinion I valued more than Beau's, and I'm proud to have Kamala standing
with me on this campaign.
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GORANI: Well, Arlette Saenz joins me now from Wilmington, Delaware live where Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will soon appear for the first time
together as running mates.
And how is it going to work logistically with social distancing and COVID? How are they going to campaign?
SAENZ: Well, Hala, this will certainly be a different vice presidential rollouts than years past. Typically, the presidential nominee and his vice
presidential pick, they will hold a big rally with their supporters, thousands of people to try to generate some excitement. This is different
due to the coronavirus pandemic and Biden's events that he's held have been smaller. There's just been just a few people in the room participating in
that. People are always socially distance as they're seated watching. Biden typically walks in wearing a mask and then removes it as he approaches the
podium.
So these are all elements that we're going to be watching very closely as these candidates are having to adapt to the coronavirus pandemic and also
how they are going to campaign. It's unclear how much actual traveling the two will be doing across the country heading into those final months before
the election as we've seen the corona virus pandemic already dramatically change the way that the campaign works as so much has turned to a virtual
format.
GORANI: And what is their strategy? I mean, Kamala Harris was one of the names most often mentioned as a potential VP pick. She got the attention of
Donald Trump in her questioning of Brett Kavanaugh when he was nominated to take a Supreme Court seat. What is their strategy to try to unseat Trump
and Pence?
SAENZ: Well, with this pick, the Biden campaign and Joe Biden sees Kamala Harris' past experience as a major strength pointing to her time as a
district attorney in San Francisco, as a -- as the attorney general in California, and also as a U.S. senator. The fact that they campaigned
against each other, Biden has seen her tested on the campaign trail, he's faced off and been the incoming of some of that fire from her during the
debate. That could be a strength heading into a debate against Vice President Mike Pence.
Also, selecting a woman of color will help invigorate and excite as part of the Democratic base as so many black women were hoping to see a woman of
color on the ticket with Joe Biden, so. But ultimately, Biden is hoping to build that relationship that he -- trying to replicate the relationship he
had with President Obama seeing some long-term potential in Kamala Harris and trying to build that same working relationship himself should he be
elected.
GORANI: OK, Arlette Saenz, thanks very much, in Wilmingtem (ph) -- in Wilmington, Delaware.
The latest on COVID which is changing everything about our lives. It's changing how Joe Biden, Donald Trump, all the politicians running in
November will be campaigning. And we just want one thing, all of us, the whole planet united and that is a vaccine. Well, the U.S. is potentially
one step closer to its goal of deploying a Corona virus vaccine by the end of the year. The government has placed an order for a hundred million doses
of the vaccine that it's developing with drug maker Moderna. The price tag is $1.5 billion.
Moderna began phase three testing late last month. The U.S. has similar deals with six other companies that are developing vaccines as part of the
government's operation warp speed. Moderna is one of two companies that have been in phase three trials for weeks.
Russia's vaccine though just started phase three today. Russia registered Sputnik V for public use on Tuesday, and none of that is sitting very well
with a top infectious disease expert in the United States.
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FAUCI: I hope but I haven't heard any evidence to make me feel that's the case. I hope that the Russians have actually definitively proven that the
vaccine is safe and effective. I seriously doubt that they've done that.
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GORANI: So, Russia is -- despite the fact that it's only now entering phase three, testing the vaccine around the world, among them Brazil, where one
of its states is working out a deal to produce the vaccine for all of its citizens before we know if it is truly effective.
With that story, here's Matthew Chance.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You couldn't accuse the Kremlin of ignoring the propaganda value of its
vaccine. They've even called it Sputnik after the Soviet satellites that shocked the world and launched the space race. Now it's the vaccine race.
The Kremlin says it's one hands down.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): A vaccine against coronavirus has been registered for the first time in the world this
morning. I know that it works quite effectively, it forms a stable immunity.
CHANCE (voice-over): But how does he know? Well, he says one of his own daughters, perhaps the one who's an acrobatic dancer has already been
vaccinated, or his eldest, a medical specialist. Whom Putin says that she had a slight temperature at first but feels much better now. Extraordinary
from a Russian president who rarely mentions his family. We still don't know for sure how many children he has.
Still, it underlines how much confidence the Kremlin wants to show in its new vaccine. Despite concerns no clinical data has been published, soldiers
were used as volunteers in early testing and crucial third phase human trials are not even started worrying shortcuts say critics in the Kremlin
dash across the line.
ALEX AZAR, U.S. HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY: The point is not to be first with a vaccine. The point is to have a vaccine that is safe and
effective for the American people and the people of the world.
CHANCE (voice-over): There's been criticism inside Russia too. A prominent pharmaceutical industry body this week calling on health officials to
postpone the vaccine because it may put lives at risk, not a warning that's been heeded. Officials say frontline health workers and teachers will be
vaccinated first, then the elderly and other vulnerable groups.
In fact, Russian officials say there's a vast global appetite for their vaccine. Applications for more than a billion doses they say have already
been received from more than 20 countries. It may not be safe or even work but Russia can proclaim at least to itself that it is once again, a planet
saving scientific superpower.
Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.
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GORANI: Well, all these vaccine developments sound very promising. But as Matthew pointed out, we want one that's not only effective but also safe to
take. And for that to happen, it may take a bit longer than many of us would want.
Let's bring in Senior Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen. So, tell our viewers, once a drug maker has reached a phase tree -- three of the trials,
typically then how long does it take to figure out if the vaccine is effective? When do you move on to the next phase?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: WELL, Hala, typically, you know, there's nothing typical about this time. Typically, it takes
years to get through these stages, but because this is COVID-19, because we're trying to do this quickly, that the thinking is that it will take
months. And that's what's going on in the U.S. right now. There are two companies that are in phase three clinical trials.
And so, what Mr. Putin is expecting people to believe, and I guess he thinks his own people are stupid and gullible is he's saying, oh, we're
doing the phase threes now. We're doing the studies now, we're going to give it to people, we're going to see how they do, but in the meantime,
we're just going to shoot people up. We're just going to put needles in arms and see what happens.
You know, the former FDA commissioner in this country, the Food and Drug administrator Scott Gottlieb, he put it very succinctly, I wouldn't take
it. Nobody should take a vaccine that has not been proven safe and effective. The Russians haven't published a syllable about the work they've
done. All they've said is that they have not done phase threes. Do not take a vaccine that has not gone through phase three research. You don't know if
it's going to hurt you or not.
Hala?
GORANI: And what about in the United States then? I mean, the president is saying he's hoping for a vaccine before the election. What should -- should
we be hopeful that this is even possible? A vaccine possible this year.
COHEN: You know, I've run that timeline, a vaccine on the market ready by November 3rd by people who have developed that vaccines, by scientists
who've actually done this in the past and they are like there is no way that's going to happen.
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And Hala, to run through that timeline quickly, in the U.S., we are still giving people their first shots in this phase three. You have to get two
spaced about 21 to 28 days apart. We are still doing round one, we haven't gotten to round two.
So we're still vaccinating people for round one, and then you have to wait sort of three or four weeks to do round two. And then you have to wait and
see who gets sick and who doesn't because that's the whole point of a phase three trial is you give half the people the vaccine and half the people a
placebo which is a shot that does nothing. And then you see who get sick. There's no way that's going to happen by November 3rd.
GORANI: All right, Elizabeth Cohen, thanks very much.
COHEN: Thanks.
GORANI: Well, in New Zealand, you'll remember it's such a success story. Well, it's taking no chances with the virus. The emergency measures being
taken after just four new cases were reported for the first time in more than three months. We'll tell you about those.
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LANA CHAMMAS, INJURED MOTHER: My seven-year-old gone from drawing rainbows to trying to understand the process of nitrate combustion.
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GORANI: Well, the emotional toll from the Beirut blast seems to be incalculable. And at the center of the suffering are the children. We'll
bring you that report coming up.
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GORANI: Well, it's been just over a week since the explosion at the Beirut port, destruction is still visible everywhere. And some civilians say the
government has fallen short in the cleanup process. That in fact in many cases, they haven't been there at all. So ordinary people have just taken
the process into their own hands, getting started on repairing an estimated $5 billion worth of damage from the blast.
The death toll now stands at 171 and thousands gathered Tuesday for a vigil for the victims and to read out their names. You see some very emotional
people they're gathered at the port.
Some of the impact of this disaster can be tallied, how many people were killed, how many were wounded, how much it will cost to rebuild a city. You
can put figures on all of that. But what can be calculated is the emotional toll especially on children.
Arwa Damon joins me now live from Beirut with her report from the ground. Arwa?
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Hala. And so many parents who were talking to say that their kids are asking them questions
that they can't answer. Things like, why was this done to us and wondering when the next explosion is going to take place. I mean, what this city has
been through has been so profoundly traumatic that no one is really able even now to wrap their minds around it.
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DAMON (voice-over): She felt the air being sucked out of the house, Lana thought it's a bomb.
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L. CHAMMAS: It's not that it's loud. It's like it's -- it was vicious. It was hurtful. It was like --
DAMON (voice-over): Her daughters had just asked her if they could go over to a friend's place.
L. CHAMMAS: I looked up and Zoey and Lya were like standing here where you can see the clock holding each other screaming.
DAMON (voice-over): Time stood still. She imagined them being blown away decapitated.
L. CHAMMAS: They're -- like it's --
ZOEY CHAMMAS, LANA CHAMMAS' DAUGHTER: We were screaming like crazy!
L. CHAMMAS: So I got them here on the floor, I thought here -- I pulled this.
DAMON (on camera): There's still blood on the mattress.
L. CHAMMAS: Yes, yes, yes. This -- if you try -- try to move it -- try to - - don't ask me, don't ask me how. This was like -- literally here, like I made a turn.
ANDRE CHAMMAS, LANA CHAMMAS' HUSBAND: So I was driving just to reach the children and Lana.
DAMON (voice-over): Andre, her husband was not home.
A. CHAMMAS: And I ran to see them and I see that everything, it was fallen, it was -- there's chaos. And I start shouting where are the kids, where are
the kids. And then --
DAMON (voice-over): Lana's back was shredded. There was a massive gash on her thigh.
Z. CHAMMAS: We were scared when we saw mommy injured. We said, Mommy, you are injured. She said, I didn't feel anything.
L. CHAMMAS: Now she's in complete denial. She's like, oh, you have nothing. It's like scratches. And the other one is like completely -- she's having
PTSD as we say. Like I saw her crying, she told me, it's going to happen. And I told her no, I promise. And she's like, you can make me this promise.
DAMON (voice-over): Lya asked if she could crawl back into her belly.
LYA CHAMMAS, LANA CHAMMAS' DAUGHTER: I said I can sit in there like a frog.
DAMON (voice-over): She also told her mother that Thor would have stopped the explosion with his hammer.
Is mommy a hero? Do you think mommy is a hero?
Z. CHAMMAS: Yes.
DAMON (voice-over): No one knows how to explain this to themselves, never mind to their children. The sheer madness of it, the carnage, the chaos,
seems they can't escape from ingrained in their psyche, threatening to push them over the abyss into hysteria.
L. CHAMMAS: I'm still too angry to understand what's happened. Why are these people were killed, injured, wounded? And like in my head like it
equals the stapling at the hospital and blood (INAUDIBLE).
They're holding our kids physically and mentally hostages. It's this. It's this that I can't go anywhere.
DAMON (on camera): She doesn't like the sounds (INAUDIBLE).
L. CHAMMAS: I'm 36, I'm terrified every time like -- she's seven. They didn't want to sleep here. They don't feel safe -- in their parents' room.
They took this away from many, many kids not just my kids.
My kids went at six months from drawing rainbows and mermaids. Three months later, I was being asked every day, what's the corona, the stone today in
Beirut to what's nitrate. In six months, my seven-year-old went from drawing rainbows to trying to understand the process of nitrate combustion.
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DAMON: And Hala, you know, Lebanon, this city, these people, they know war, they know the targeted explosions, the assassinations, the car bombs, but
they'll tell you that, you know, at least that kind of violence they could rationalize it to a certain degree. You know, you go through it but you
tell yourself, it's war. It's part of, you know, the reality of living in this volatile region.
With this, they're not able to rationalize it to themselves because fundamentally, this did not and should not have happened. And so that adds
on to the trauma, it adds on this, you know, extra level of anger and of complex emotions that are entirely novel. And so everyone here is really
struggling to try to navigate through it and there is not enough support for them.
GORANI: All right. Arwa, thanks very much. Arwa Damon live in Beirut.
Yes, that is an explosion that really had an impact on so many in Beirut in the Lebanese capital, and the kids as well not feeling safe in their own
homes. So it must be very hard on the parents. We'll keep our eye on what's going on in Beirut.
I want to bring you some breaking news out of Scotland. A train there has derailed in Aberdeenshire, Scotland near the town of Stonehaven.
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You can see some of the images there coming into us, that very thick plume of white smoke rising up from the scene. We have received word of serious
injuries and emergency services are responding. Now, there is -- the accident scene seen from the air a little bit closer up. The town council
had warned of flooding in the area, earlier it was raining quite hard.
Max Foster is in Scotland, and he joins me now with the very latest. Talk to us about what our viewers are seeing right now on their screens, Max.
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is the sort of imagery that came to us this morning about two hours after it was initially reported to the
emergency services. And we're also hearing lots of reports locally that this was a train that left Aberdeen sometime between six and seven in the
morning. Lots of questions about exactly what happened when. One of the issues here is that this is quite a hard to reach area. As I say, it's
quite near Aberdeen but they've clearly struggled, the emergency services to get close to the area, they had to bring a helicopter in. And we think
there are some issues with phone signals as well. But clearly a major incident when you consider the plume of smoke there.
Also, Nicola Sturgeon, first minister of Scotland declaring it's a major incident. Prime Minister Boris Johnson down in London also being kept
across this. So they're clearly concerned. The local hospitals are also dealing with major incident. But as I say, there is big question about when
the authorities were alerted to this and why it took possibly up to three hours for them to be alerted. What was actually going on at the scene
there?
GORANI: Max Foster, thanks very much, reporting from Scotland on that train derailment. We're keep -- we'll keep our eye on that.
And when we come back, a history making, vice presidential pick in the United States, Kamala Harris will be Joe Biden's running mate. We'll get
reaction from Debbie Dingell, a U.S. congresswoman in the very important battleground state of Michigan.
And more protests in Belarus after the president there declares election victory. A live update on the disputed results is coming up.
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GORANI: Welcome back.
A major first in U.S. politics will happen just hours from now. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will appear together as running mates, a day after Biden
ended months of speculation and selected Harris as his vice presidential running mate. The California senator is the first woman of color to ever
appear on a major party U.S. presidential ticket. President Donald Trump said he was surprised by the pick.
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He repeatedly called Harris nasty, a term he uses often to describe women he views as opponents. Donald Trump regularly called Hillary Clinton nasty
during the 2016 presidential campaign. She reacted to the Harris pick, tweeting, I'm thrilled to welcome Kamala Harris to a historic Democratic
ticket. She's already proven herself to be an incredible public servant and leader. And I know she will be a strong partner to Joe Biden. Please join
me in having her back and getting her elected.
Former President Barack Obama also heaped praise on Harris saying, her own life story is one that I and so many others can see ourselves in, a story
that says that no matter where you come from, what you look like how you worship, or who you love, there is a place for you here, unquote.
I want to talk more about this VP pick with Debbie Dingell, she's a Democratic congresswoman representing a district in Michigan, a state that
the Biden-Harris ticket may have to win to win the election, and a state that was carried by Donald Trump in 2016. Representative Dingell, thanks so
much for being with us.
You tweeted, this is the team that will win America in November. What makes you so confident?
REP. DEBBIE DINGELL (D-MI): I know both of these people very well. And I know that they are strong, dedicated, smart, savvy, skilled people that
have a heart and soul. And we need somebody who's going to bring the United States back together again. This country has been torn apart. It's been
coming for years, but the last four years have turned America with fear and hatred. And these two people not only are very skilled elected officials
but have empathy and compassion. And that's what our country needs some of right now, people who are going to try to heal us and bring us together.
GORANI: You come -- you represent a district in the very, very important battleground state of Michigan. As I mentioned, it's a state that Donald
Trump carried in 2016. The first time a Republican president carried that state since 1988. Now, just a few weeks ago, you were saying that you
didn't believe some of these poll numbers that are putting Biden way ahead of Trump in your state. The latest polling that we have here at CNN is that
in Michigan, Biden is 12 points ahead. But in 2016, Hillary Clinton was 11 points ahead at the same stage.
So, why do you think this time is different?
DINGELL: Well, quite frankly, I don't believe the polls now. So, I do believe Joe Biden is up in Michigan but it's a long time between now and
November. And none of us can take this election for granted.
I do think that this election is different because I think that many working people didn't -- I love Hillary Clinton, she's my friend, but she
didn't connect with a lot of working men and women. I used to call the vice president's chief of staff and beg him to bring Joe Biden in Michigan four
years ago. Joe Biden knows, you know, in 2008, we had tremendous crisis in the auto industry, that fear, that anxiety that's in workers' hearts and
souls from then in Michigan still there. Joe Biden gets it. He gets it what it's like to be a working person in America, to worry about your job, to
worry about whether you're going to be able to go to a doctor, whether you're going to be able to educate your kids, and whether you're going to
have to save for your retirement.
I think that this ticket will talk to people, will talk directly to people, and also talk about how we bring American back together, not keep pouring
kerosene on the fire to keep dividing us further.
GORANI: And one of the things in 2016, you said was essentially, you know, you were hearing anecdotal evidence in your state of Michigan perhaps that
Hillary Clinton was not connecting with voters. You talked about a connection, about a ticket that will energize Democratic voters. You've
spoken probably at a distance with many people in Michigan in the last 24 hours, do you get the sense that this ticket will energize, will produce
the kind of turnout that the Democrats need in your state to carry it once again and take it from the Republicans?
DINGELL: So, I'm going to give you two points. One, I'm probably out more by the way than I should be. But, you know, I went to eight events over the
weekend -- or on Saturday, just alone and another five in Sunday. But there are people that are still going to be Trump voters. I still hear them out
there. But I do believe that this is going to energize.
Let's start with Detroit. The city of Detroit did not vote in the numbers, people thought that it would in 2016. And I think that this will energize a
lot of people in urban areas.
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But I also think that both Joe and Kamala know what issues really matter to people around the state. That working people are really -- they're just
really worried and cold. It's turned their worlds upside down. They don't know if they can afford to go to the doctor. They don't know how they're
going to keep a roof over their head, they're afraid they can't -- they're going to be evicted or they're not going to make rent payments.
And we have a real hunger issue here. Our food banks, demand has gone up by almost 80 percent. These two understand that. I think that our president
does not understand even the fear of parents and their children returning to school this fall. Or that if I'm really worried about one, could that
get probate, could they die? And two, how they're going to live?
And I think that the combination of -- I think Joe Biden and Kamala separately together will really understand and talk to people about what's
at stake.
GORANI: Is there a risk with the Black Lives Matter protests and this anti- police sentiment that really energize street protests over the last few months, that Kamala Harris' record as attorney general in California will
hurt her way? And if not that, is there anything that you see in her profile, in her resume that could be risky as she joins Joe Biden on this
ticket?
DINGELL: You know, in the world that we live right now, somebody is always going to try to take something and lie about it, take it out of context, et
cetera. I think the issue that you've raised is a very important issue, and that Donald Trump is going to create a wedge issue in it. And I am very
clear, I have many of my local communities where law enforcement are the glue of those communities. They have become social workers. I've worked
with them on calls, we're not been worried that people are thinking about suicide, what we call wellness calls here.
I've worked with them on domestic violence which some of the most dangerous, quite frankly. We lost in my hometown the -- a 26-year-old son
of my hometown that was killed in the Fourth of July that was a policeman in Toledo by answering an intoxicated, drunk person call, and the man ended
up shooting and killing him. We have to thank those law enforcements but we also -- we're at a time and this is where I think Kamala is going to be so
helpful, is that we are at a crossroad. We are having discussions about systematic racism in this country. And if you are a young black man or a
young white man, the reality is you're going to be treated differently, stopped by police.
How do we address that and at the same time, appreciate the important role that law enforcement has played, and say thank you to those officers that
put their lives at Risk every day? I'm not going to let it be a wedge issue. We can do both and we will do both.
GORANI: All right. All right. Representative Debbie Dingell of Michigan, thank you for joining us on CNN.
DINGELL: Thank you.
GORANI: And be sure to watch CNN's coverage of the Democratic and Republican national conventions. They'll be very different this year. The
Democrats will begin their convention next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern Time, 1 a.m. in London. The Republicans start the following Monday at the same
time. Virtually most of it.
Foreign ministers from the European Union planned to meet, Friday to discuss what's happening in Belarus. Protesters hit the streets for third
night, Tuesday. They're angry about the re-election of President Alexander Lukashenko. The vote has been widely criticized as fraudulent. The
opposition candidate who ran against him has fled the country.
Here's what she said about that decision.
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SVETLANA TSIKHANOUSKAYA, BELARUSIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I made a very difficult decision. It's a decision I made absolutely independently.
Neither my friends nor my family nor the campaign staff nor Siarhei could not influence it in any way. And I know that many people will understand
me, but many will blame and hate me. But you know, God forbid that you may face such a choice that I've faced. People, please be careful. No life is a
good price for what is happening now.
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GORANI: Nic Robertson is outside the Belarus Embassy in London. What's next for Belarus, Nic?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, what's next seems to be we're getting an indication of that being tweeted by the Lithuanian
president. He's said that he along with the Latvian president and the Polish president are ready to go and meet with -- ready to go and meet with
Belarus officials to try to bring down the level of violence against protesters there. And then that if they're unsuccessful, and if the E.U.
wants them to do that as well. If they're unsuccessful in that mission, then the next step would be for the E.U. to start discussing the
possibility of sanctions.
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Josep Borrell, the E.U's foreign policy chief has said that the elections over the weekend were neither free nor fair. He's also said that
disproportionate violence has been used by the security forces in the -- inside Belarus against those protesters. A third night of protesting last
night, people being rounded up off the streets thrown into police vans. People nearby said that they could hear the sounds of people crying out for
help inside the vans. And that that does not augur well for their well- being.
And as far as Svetlana Tsikhanouskaya's message that we were just listening to there, there was also another message recorded that her supporters said
appeared to be made under some duress. She appeared to be reading a message, and this was the one that was played on Belarus state television.
And this was the one where she called for protesters to stop their protests.
As far as the European Union is concerned, Belarus and its president are out of order at the moment and they want to try to remedy that and bring
down the level of violence.
GORANI: All right. Nic, thanks very much.
Up next, they knew it would be bad but not this bad. The U.K. crashes into the deepest recession of any major economy. Details on how it plans or
hopes to climb back. We'll be right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This new technology could help in the fight against COVID-19. An autonomous robot that claims to neutralize harmful viruses and
bacteria.
Omar Chappuis' Dubai-based company has used ultraviolet light to purify air and sanitize drinking water for nearly five years. Once the coronavirus
hit, he and his team looked at ways to deploy UV light to fight the virus.
OMAR CHAPPUIS, FOUNDER, SANITIZEXPERTS: We have camera, we have sensor, we have an (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The robot uses waves of ultraviolet light called UVC.
CHAPPUIS: UVC, it's a length of light and at that level of strength, the light can kill virus by disassembling it, killing the DNA, RNA, and not
letting them reproduce.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Using cameras and sensors, the robot maps its environment, plans its cost, and determines how long disinfection will
take. But before the UV lights turn on, safety measures are taken.
CHAPPUIS: We have military grade UVC lenses, we have face shield, we have suits and gloves. If the UVC can destroy the DNA or RNA of a virus or
bacteria, it can also be harmful to your skin and your eyes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Over a hundred years ago, UV light was first used to disinfect drinking water in Marseille, France. And since the start of the
COVID-19 pandemic, it's been trialed in New York subways and buses.
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UVC has been showing to be effective against other coronaviruses but studies related specifically to COVID-19 are still ongoing.
JAMES MALLEY SR., PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE: Since mid-March, we have basically in our laboratory and on our research endeavors done
nothing but UV for viral surrogates of COVID.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to James Malley's research and tests by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, UV light helps decontaminate traces of
COVID-19 on N-95 respirator masks. Malley cautions that UVC is only as effective as the dosage of light it gives off.
MALLEY: So I can get results an inch away that are pretty impressive. Six inches away, I'll get no effect if I'm not careful. You know, that can be
overcome with these robots because generally they'll put them in the room for 60 minutes.
And so we're not trying to get it done in 10 seconds. We've now got a huge amount of time and we can just keep dosing or pulsing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chappuis says his robot can last three hours on a full charge and can cover nearly 20,000 square feet in that time. And while
questions remain whether this will stop COVID-19, he hopes that UVC can someday replace sprays and disinfectants
(INAUDIBLE), CNN.
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GORANI: Europe can't seem to get a break. It is wrestling yet again with a rise in coronavirus cases. According to Johns Hopkins University,
infections across the continent are nearing 20,000 a day. That is every single day.
You can see France in bright blue at the bottom while the country has far fewer cases than the U.S. and Brazil, the French Government is extending
its ban on mass gatherings of 5,000 people or more through the end of October and that's because as you can see, it is taking up. And that's not
the direction you want your graph to go in.
Plus, the U.K. says it may have to get tough with France and add France to its quarantine list. But Britain has plenty of pandemic problems of its own
before it starts looking to its neighbors.
COVID has been merciless to the U.K. economy. The British finance minister says hard times are here though we don't necessarily need the finance
minister to tell us this. All we have to do is look at our high streets. The U.K. is now officially in recession, the deepest by a mile really of
any major economy. And its second quarter slump is the worst on record. Britain's GDP shrank more than 20 percent in the second quarter.
Some financial observers say it is important to remember the government deliberately froze the economy to cope with the pandemic and it is hoping
for a V-shaped recovery. But the people of Britain and the government are facing an incredibly challenging time.
Let's bring in Isa Soares standing by for us in London. Yes, they deliberately froze the economy, they also deliberately froze the economy in
other countries and other countries didn't have the kind of depressing -- depression, the kind of falling off a cliff COVID effect that the U.K. has
had. Why is it so much worse here?
ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, absolutely the sharp decline here really contrast to the rest, for example of G7 countries, Hala. It's
pretty, pretty bad reading if you look at those numbers. If we show you a graph of the U.K. economy for the second quarter compared to other G7
countries, you see how steep that is.
Now, that is a colossal decline without -- any way you slice it, you can see how bad it is. And the reason for that when I spoke to economists
today, Hala, is for two reasons. One is because the U.K. went to lockdown later, and the lockdown lasted longer. For example, the likes of Italy,
they went into lockdown still in the first quarter and they came out of lockdown at the beginning of the second quarter, hence why the numbers for
ETE aren't so bad.
The other major reason is because the U.K. economy relies on the services industry, it's heavily reliant on that hence why the numbers are so
affected. When we look at sector by sector, Hala, just to really give the viewers a sense of how exposed some of these industries are because of
lockdown, I can break it down for you. Construction sectors down 35 percent, production, 16.9, and services sector which is a big chunk of
driving the U.K. economy, almost 20 percent. And this, of course, for anyone, in particular the chancellor, he'll be looking at these numbers and
hoping -- I know he had some very tough words today but hoping that he doesn't come to a situation where we'll have to consider a further lockdown
or even more lockdowns because what we've seen today, this colossal decline is really a huge risk if we see something along these lines come October,
November, Hala.
GORANI: OK. Thank you, Isa Soares. We'll talk to you next hour.
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For better or worse, the pandemic has forced us to adapt to a new way of life. But in Florence, Italy, it's actually revived as century's old
tradition called little wine holes. I'm not familiar with that. Once used during the Renaissance period, today they are perfect for selling food and
drinks while reducing physical contact. You can read about those on cnn.com/stylelittlewineholes. Sounds like a plan for later.
College football is king across much of the United States but because of the coronavirus, it won't be played in some cities for the first time in
over a century. Details next.
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GORANI: Major sports in the U.S. have resumed despite the coronavirus, but there was one major setback for some fans on Tuesday. Don Riddell joins me
now with more. Hi, Don.
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Hi, Hala. Quite a lot of fans actually. The NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball, they're all playing again. The NFL is
planning to start up again next month. But in the United States, college sports have just as many fans as the professional teams and two of the
biggest conferences, the Big Ten and Pac-12 have said that they will not be playing college football this fall.
Now, these are teams that play in stadiums full of fans of up to a hundred thousand. And the news is devastating for those supporters even more so for
the players themselves.
For more contexts, let's bring in CNN Sports Andy Scholes. Andy, our international viewers might not quite appreciate how big a deal college
sports are in the U.S. So how is this news been received?
ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS: Don, you got to mention it. I mean, it's just devastating for -- I mean, tens of millions of fans, you know, all across
the country. You know, I'm standing right here in Atlanta, Georgia where we have such pro teams as the Atlanta Falcons in the NFL and Atlanta Hawks in
the NBA, Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball. Yet the most popular team in this area is the University of Georgia Bulldogs football team.
I mean, that just goes to show you in some parts of this country, the college football team is the most important sports team around and has a
huge following. Some communities and towns, I mean, they really live for college football and they live for those tens -- eight to 10 Saturdays
every single, you know, fall season when they have big game. So this is just a devastating blow for those teams that play in the Big Ten Conference
like Ohio State, Michigan. You know, the Big Ten has been playing every single fall since 1896. I mean, they even played two world wars.
So that just goes to show you how big of a decision this is, Don. And while those two big conferences are not playing, the other three big conferences
in college football are going ahead as planned. And Don, I'll tell you what, you know, it just really is interesting to see how different parts of
the United States are handling the coronavirus pandemic. You have the Pac- 12 which is on the West Coast and you have the Big Ten which is in the northern part of -- as northern and central part of the country deciding
not to play. And then you have the teams in the south in those conferences deciding, well, you know what, our medical experts are saying we can go on
as planned.
It'll be interesting to see if they're able to actually do that.
RIDDELL: It's fascinating, isn't it? I mean, it's just excruciating for the players and you've got a feel for some of them because they all chose their
school based on what they thought was going to be the best school and the best experience.
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And some of them would hope to go professional beyond this. And now I guess a lot of them are perhaps regretting their choices. We don't know if these
other three conferences will actually go ahead but they've said that, you know, they might or at least they haven't said that they're not going to
play yet.
They're all as big as each other. What do you think is going to happen if some play and some don't?
SCHOLES: Well, if the three conferences, the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 do end up playing football this fall while the Pac-12 and Big Ten do not, I mean, it
will certainly change the landscape of college football. You know, if you have college football, are you a high school football star is trying to
pick where they're going to go to college. Well, I mean, Don, where are you going to go? Are you going to go to one of the schools that kept playing no
matter what? Or are you going to go to a school that shut down this season, you know? I mean, that seems like an easy decision for high school football
players who are trying to make those calls.
And, you know, like you said, it's just devastating for these players. You have, you know, guys trying to reach their dreams of maybe playing
professional with football in the NFL one day. And, you know, the number one pick in the NFL draft Joe Burrow, who played his college football at
LSU, he tweeted just a couple days ago when all this was unfolding, if this happened last year, I'm probably looking for a job right now. Because Joe
Burrow really busted on the scene just last year and became the best quarterback in college football. If they didn't have a season like they
did, you know, Joe Burrow would have been the first pick in the NFL draft.
So Don, you know, so many of these kids' dreams are just shattered by this decision. They're never going to get a chance to probably play college
football again because, you know, the Big Ten and Pac-12 said they hope to play in the spring. But that certainly is going to be a daunting task
because then if you move that -- the 2020 season to the spring of 2021, you're going to be asking those schools and those players to basically play
two college football seasons in one calendar year. Certainly it would be tough.
RIDDELL: Yes. And we'll see if that's even going to be possible when we get there. Andy Scholes, thanks very much.
Now the semi finals are now set for the Europa League and a very familiar team is in with a chance of winning a tournament they have totally
dominated. The Spanish side Sevilla has won this trophy five times since 2006 and they're now just two wins away from doing it again.
This has been a very long campaign for Wolves. They started playing more than a year ago, and they had a chance for an early lead against Sevilla
but the penalty of Raul Jimenez was saved. The game looked to be heading into a golden straw and extra time. But a glancing header from the Lucas
Ocampos (INAUDIBLE) for the Spaniards. They will now play Manchester United in the semis on Sunday.
And the other quarterfinal, Ukraine's Shakhtar Donetsk thrashed basil for one. And Hala, the Champions League continues today. It's a crunch game for
the Paris Saint-Germain against Atalanta. That's one of the biggest spenders in Europe against one of the smallest clubs in the tournament. It
should be fascinating.
Back to you.
GORANI: All right. Thanks so much, Don. We'll be right back after a quick break.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From Arizona to Florida and all the states in between, serology tests have become important, helping each region of the U.S.
estimate what percentage of Americans have been infected with the coronavirus. Results are important in detecting infections with few or no
symptoms at all which in turn can help scientists better monitor and respond to the pandemic.
Now the CDC has unveiled laboratory robots to help get results from those antibody tests more quickly. The Robot can test more than 3,600 samples a
day.
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