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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): The court found Vadim Shishimarin guilty of committing a criminal offence under part two of Article 438 of the Criminal

Code of Ukraine.

BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR (voice over): The first war crimes conviction in the war in Ukraine handed down to this Russian soldier for

the killing of an innocent civilian. And.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): As Russia pummeled the Mariupol steel plant with overwhelming firepower, Natalia Zarytska could

only watch and pray for her husband Boudan (ph) inside.

ANDERSON: Well, a husband did survive but he's now a Russian captive. Nobody knows what will happen next, but the families cling to hope. Plus.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You didn't want to get involved in the Ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. Are you willing to get involved

militarily to defend Taiwan if it comes to that?

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes.

ANDERSON: A show of support for Taiwan, but the U.S. president's comments caught his own administration off guard.

Well, it's 3:00 p.m. in London. I'm Becky Anderson. It's good to be back. Hello and welcome to CONNECT THE WORLD. Life in prison. The sentence in the

first war crimes trial in Ukraine since the start of Russia's invasion. A court in Kyiv convicted a 21-year-old Russian soldier seen here on the

right of your screens for fatally shooting an unarmed Ukrainian civilian in the early days of the war.

He had pleaded guilty last week expressing remorse and apologizing to the victim's widow. While his defense lawyer argued that the blame should fall

on Russian leaders who ordered their soldiers into war. Melissa Bell has been covering this trial for us in Kyiv since he start. She has more

details on what is a landmark legal case in this world.

MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Twenty-one-year-old Vadim Shishimarin bowing his head as the verdict was read out. The judge reading

that verdict and sentencing for nearly 50 minutes explaining that Vadim Shishimarin was being sentenced to spend the rest of his life in jail

because he'd been found guilty of premeditated murder in violation of the customs and laws of war.

This is a civilian court that was hearing this verdict. A civilian court in which this Russian soldier was being tried even as the war continues all

around. Have a listen to what the prosecutor had to say after that verdict and sentence were read out.

ANDRY SINYUK, PROSECUTOR (through translator): I think that all of the law enforcement agencies will move along the path we have travelled. This will

be a good example for other occupiers who may not yet be on our territory, but are planning to come. Or those who are here now and plan to stay in

fight. Or maybe they will think that it's time to leave here for their own territory.

BELL: The Kremlin saying that it will do what it can to assist Vadim Shishimarin even as the Russian foreign ministry suggests that it is ready

to consider some sort of prisoner of war exchange with regard to the Azovstal fighters currently in pretrial detention centers in the Donetsk

People's Republic. We've been hearing this morning from the head of the Donetsk People's Republic, saying that those men will now be put on trial.

Melissa Bell, CNN, Kyiv.

ANDERSON: Well, you just heard Melissa fair talk about this Ukrainian soldiers who left the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol reportedly, will

face tribunals. The pro-Russian separatists leader in Donetsk tells a Russian state news agency documents for those tribunals are now being

prepared. Well, Russia's military says more than 2000 Ukrainians surrendered from that steel plant.

Ukrainian officials still in Mariupol say Russian forces are now requiring permits to enter and exit the city. The adviser to the city's Ukrainian

mayor warning whoever does make it inside that for now, it's a one way trip. I want to bring in Suzanne Malveaux connecting us from Lviv in

western Ukraine. I want to focus on Mariupol because as I understand that you've been speaking to one of the wives of the Azovstal soldier who

surrendered. What's the latest on those soldiers, Suzanne?

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MALVEAUX: Well, I've been speaking with Natalia Zarytska and she essentially is really trying to get some sense of hope anywhere where she

can. So President Zelenskyy's statement over the weekend that if they destroyed the people of Azovstal that there would never be any negotiation

or talks with Russians that that is something that she takes to heart.

She is also just trying to remind herself of the qualities of her husband. She says he is a man of action that he is strong. But the bottom line here

is that she really just has no idea what is happening to her husband right now.

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MALVEAUX (voice over): As Russia pummeled the Mariupol steel plant with overwhelming firepower, Natalia Zarytska could only watch and pray for her

husband Boudan inside. But Boudan, a Ukrainian soldier was able to update Natalia almost daily, she says, chronicling the worsening conditions.

NATALIA ZARYTSKA, WIFE OF AZOVSTAL SOLDIER: He described the situation like (INAUDIBLE) hell because people had no labs, no hands and no medicine.

MALVEAUX: Weeks in photos revealed Boudan was jaundice and had dropped weight.

ZARYTSKA: He lost weight, approximately 20 kilos. But he has a very strong spirit.

MALVEAUX: He'd seen many of his friends killed and feared he was next. Following his commanders order Thursday, Boudan surrendered, telling

Natalia he would lose all ability to communicate. Now with his fellow soldiers in Russian custody, Natalia can only assume he's at their nearby

detention center. Her greatest fear now that he is being tortured, or worse.

ZARYTSKA: We write each message as the last one.

MALVEAUX (on camera): What is the last message that he typed to you?

ZARYSTKA: I love you. He was worried about his mom. He asked me to let her know that he is alive and to wait for him.

MALVEAUX (voice over): Natalia believes Boudan will give everything to stay alive, motivated by their shared desire to Sunday create a family.

ZARYSTKA: And this idea helps me to be strong.

MALVEAUX: But the pain of not knowing is excruciating. The weight heavy as Russia as attacks carry on.

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MALVEAUX: And Natalia is among a small group of mothers as well as wives who are meeting with Turkish government officials, including the president

there to try to push and make a case for the release or some sort of prison swap for their loved ones who are being held by the Russians. As you had

mentioned the leader of the Russian controlled Donetsk region, saying they are now preparing documents for tribunals for at least some of the nearly

2000, the Russians say at least. that's their number that are being held by their authorities.

There is no information that Natalia is getting whether or not her husband is one of them. Becky?

ANDERSON: Is at this stage, as you understand it, is a prisoner swap realistic?

MALVEAUX: Well, certainly if they were to make a move, to actually convince the Russians that that was possible. At this point, Ukrainian officials

don't really believe that that is likely at this moment. If there was some sort of change in the negotiations, some sort of game changer, perhaps that

would make a difference. But at this time, what we have heard that the Russians say that their investigative committee will be interrogating many

of those that they have in custody.

And that there will -- they will follow this process. And so, it is not clear that there's reason to be optimistic about that right now, Becky.

ANDERSON: Suzanne Malveaux is in Ukraine for you. Well, nearly -- thank you, Suzanne. Nearly three months into this war, Ukraine's president has

taken his case for postwar investment in his country. The world's financial leaders, Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressing the World Economic Forum in Davos

earlier calling investments in rebuilding his country a huge economic opportunity. But as it would be the biggest since World War II.

Before that rebuilding can begin Mr. Zelenskyy says Russia must pay a price for its invasion of his country. He is calling for a complete halt in trade

with Russia. Richard Quest is at the World Economic Forum for many years. He joins us now live from Davos. Different times of the day -- of the year,

different backdrop for you in Davos. An entirely different backdrop as far as the world is concerned as well with this ongoing war in Europe, Richard.

President Zelenskyy wants a full stop on trade with Russia. Is that feasible or is there an argument that it would cause more problems than it

would solve at this point?

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RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS EDITOR-AT-LARGE: I think it's a bit of both. You could do it because Russia is now de facto cut off from such large

swathes of the global economy. But what about China, India, and those countries that have so far refused to sign on to the sanctions such as that

have already been imposed. The Zelenskyy speech really falls into -- fell into three distinct groups.

And the first part, it was a reminder of 1938. A reminder that the price of a dictator only ever gets higher and it's time to deal with it now. You'll

only have to pay more later, then you had the -- what you were saying about the rebuilding that's likely to take place or the Bonanza that there would

be in terms of construction and the life of rebuilding and where that money would come from.

And then you got to the bit, reminding the people here that promises on sanctions and saying now is the time to ratchet them up. This is President

Zelenskyy this morning.

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VOLODYMY ZELENSKY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): There shouldn't be Russian oil embargo. All do Russian banks should be blocked,

no exception. There should be at abandonment of the Russian I.T. sector that should not be any trade with Russia. This should be a precedent for

sanctions pressure that will work convincingly for decades to come.

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QUEST: At the moment, Becky, a lot of those things are sort of talked about but not realistic. Finally, though, one of the things I think he's going to

have to face is what's now being talked about here is a danger. People are not saying it's happening, but people in Davos are saying there's always

the danger of war fatigue. What happens after the summer when the war is still ongoing, inflation is really taking a toll, higher interest rates are

slowing the economy.

And people's are starting to say, well, what is Russia's price for bringing this to an end? We're not there yet. But I can certainly see that that is

something on the agenda.

ANDERSON: Right. And perhaps the German economic ministers warning of a global recession front and center in many people's minds at this point, of

course. I just wonder, you know, it's not just the German economy minister who is likely to suggest that that is on the horizon. I wonder what the

mood is like where you are amongst those who are attending and whether you think that's a foregone conclusion or at this point, whether the world can

avoid it.

QUEST: The mood here is the most serious that I can ever recall Davos being. And you haven't got the frippery, you haven't got the nonsense, a

lot of the crypto stuff and all the people about this, that and the other. Young got the hangers on. You've got the policymakers, you've got the CEOs,

everybody is absolutely. It's Ukraine, it's food security, it's energy cost, it's renewable, it's sustainable, it's climate change.

There is a seriousness on the agenda that I cannot recall before. And on the question of recession, you know, people will say we can avoid

recession. They do not want to answer the question. Will we avoid it?

ANDERSON: Yes. Fascinating. Listen, good to have you there. We'll check in with you as we move through the week. Thank you, Richard.

Still to come on CONNECT THE WORLD. Policy shift or presidential mistake. Many even in his own administration is surprised at Joe Biden's comments

today about Taiwan. And the ball is in North Korea's court. The view of South Korea's new president talking exclusively to CNN. His view of

Pyongyang and its 15-missile tests this year. That is just the head.

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ANDERSON: U.S President Joe Biden raised some eyebrows earlier today with some comments or any comment at least about Taiwan. During news conference

in Tokyo, Mr. Biden said the U.S. would get involved militarily if China invades Taiwan. The U.S. has long been non committal about defending

Taiwan, an island nation that China considers its own. His aides was said to be surprised by the president's statement.

The White House says the U.S. has not changed its policy on Taiwan. Well, CNN White House Correspondent Jeremy Diamond is traveling with the

president. He joins us live from Tokyo. Administration officials downplaying the president's statement claiming it's not a policy shift.

This isn't the first time they've had to do that with this president. What's going on here? Is the U.S. trying to get a message to China here or

is this genuinely something the administration was left flat footed by?

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHTE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I think the key point is the one that you just made there, Becky, which is the fact that this is not

the first time that we have heard President Biden make this kind of statement. In fact, it is the third time that President Biden has now

suggested that the United States would intervene militarily should China move to invade Taiwan.

And that would be a change of decades of U.S. foreign policy. This policy of strategic ambiguity which essentially leaves up the -- doesn't say

definitively whether or not the U.S. would commit troops and intervene militarily should China move forward with an invasion. Now, as you

mentioned, senior administration officials were indeed caught off guard by President Biden's comments.

And following those comments, we heard from a senior administration official, who insisted that "as the president said, our policy has not

changed." And also noting that the president reiterated the One China Policy. While the president did indeed reiterate that One China Policy, he

did not -- he did not say that our policy has not changed. In fact, he did appear to change that policy.

But again, officials insisting that the policy is the same, strategic ambiguity remains. But again, that stands in contrast to the president's

words.

ANDERSON: It seems large over everything Mr. Biden it seems is doing on this Asian trip. He's even laid out an economic plan for countering China's

influence. What have we got?

DIAMOND: Yes. This is a significant economic framework that the Biden administration unveiled earlier today. President Biden alongside 12 other

signatory countries launching this Indo-Pacific Economic Framework. Now the goal of this framework, of course, is to counter China's growing influence

in the region, its economic dominance over the last several years, particularly since the United States withdrew under President Trump from

the Trans-Pacific Partnership back in 2017.

But there are a ton of key differences between this Indo-Pacific economic framework and the TPP. The first among which is that this economic

framework does not involve the lowering of any tariffs or market entry barriers, and instead in allows countries to essentially pick and choose

different areas of this framework where they would like to make commitments. It's not just trade, it also involves climate change policy,

anti-corruption efforts and more.

And again, by administration officials insisting that this can be game changing in the region. But some experts questioning whether or not this

framework has enough teeth.

ANDERSON: Yes, fascinating. Jeremy, always a pleasure. Thank you very much. Indeed.

South Korea's new president has been in office for only about two weeks. Yet he has already met with U.S. president as Joe Biden tours Asia.

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ANDERSON: President Yoon Suk Yeol spoke exclusively to CNN's Paula Hancocks. His first interview since his inauguration. And he signaled that

the age of appeasing North Korea is over. CNN's Paula Hancocks is in Seoul for us and she joins us now live. A message then to Pyongyang. Just explain

what you were told.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, he may only be two weeks into his job, but President Yoon Suk Yeol already places mark

on a North Korean policy. He effectively said that his predecessors approach to North Korea has failed and so he is starting a new approach, a

new policy effectively saying that if Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader wants to start dialogue, then he should initiate it. But of course, it is a

big if.

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HANCOCKS (voice over): South Korea's new president Yoon Suk Yeol set up a new sign for his desk. A gift from U.S. President Joe Biden, who was just

in Seoul. A popular quote from the late U.S. President Harry Truman. A former prosecutor just two weeks into his presidency and fresh from a

summit with Biden. Yoon is now dealing with the North Korea expected to launch a long-range missile or conduct an underground nuclear test any day.

YOON SUK YEOL, PRESIDENT OF SOUTH KOREA (through translator): Our response will be stronger and firmer than it has been before. We will coordinate

closely with our U.S. counterparts.

HANCOCKS (voice over): But in Kim Jong-un, you have a leader who's given a five-year plan of what he wants to achieve militarily. He seems to have no

interest in talking whatsoever. How do you convince him to talk?

YOON: I think the goal is in Chairman Kim score. It is his choice to start a dialogue with us. I do not want North Korea to collapse. My hope is for

North Korea to prosper alongside South Korea.

HANCOCKS: At the same time, Yoon says he believes his predecessors policy of prioritizing dialogue with North Korea has failed.

YOON: Just to temporarily escape North Korean provocation or conflict is not something that we should do. Many colleagues serve all diplomacy. But

the policy of being overly concerned about the other side's feelings does not work and has proven to be a failure in the past five years.

HANCOCKS: South Korea is one of 13 nations President Biden announced today as joining his new Indo-Pacific Economic Framework. Already criticized by

China, South Korea's largest trading partner.

YOON: Even if we strengthen our alliances with the United States in security and technology, it does not mean that we think our economic

cooperation with China is unimportant. So, I do not believe it is reasonable for China to be overly sensitive about this matter.

HANCOCKS: President Yoon says he believes China should abide by the rules based international order. At a time when that order is under pressure

around the world. South Korea's president is clear that his country's future, at least for the next five years, is firmly by the side of the

United States.

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HANCOCKS: And when it comes to him discussing with President Biden expanding possibly. The joint military drills which have been either

curtailed or canceled in recent years from COVID, and also from the former U.S. President Donald Trump, we know for a fact and from experience that

these expanded drills will anger Pyongyang. And yet when I asked President Yoon about this, he pointed out that every military in the world has to

have a state of readiness.

So it is necessary to have these expanded joint military drills. Something we know that will provoke a response from Pyongyang. Becky?

ANDERSON: Seoul's relations with Beijing have become somewhat strained in recent years. What's the new South Koreans president's take on Beijing,

Paula?

HANCOCKS: It's an interesting question, Becky, because I asked him directly what his changed relationship is going to be. He denied it was a changed

relationship. But it is clear that he is far more direct with Beijing. The fact that he has joined this -- the Asian economic framework that President

Biden has brought about. The fact that that is a counter effectively, an economic counter to China.

And also, he said that he wants to be part of some of the working groups within quad. That is a widely seen as a strategic counter to China. So, he

is actively joining groups that he knows could irritate Beijing, and yet he is not shying away from it. Now, he also said that he believed that this

may have been his predecessor's feelings as well but they weren't quite so open with what they were doing.

But he did say that it's not in China's interest to have any kind of economic retaliation against South Korea but there is a precedent for that.

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HANCOCKS: Remember just several years ago when South Korea introduced the THAAD missile defense system from the U.S. into South Korea China was so

incensed by that that they staged a crippling economic boycott against South Korea, which lasted a fair while and damaged many businesses. So, it

is a real concern that some have that there could be some kind of economic backlash from China which is still South Korea's biggest trading partner.

But when asked repeatedly about this, President Yoon said that he was not concerned and he did not believe that it would happen. Becky?

ANDERSON: Paula Hancocks with the interview. Thank you. Well, the Biden administration is very loving with South Korea and Japan. It marks a policy

shift to the Asia Pacific especially after last year's U.S. exodus from Afghanistan. And that is Pakistan's former prime minister, somewhat

scratching his head.

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IMRAN KHAN, FORMER PAKISTAN PRIME MINISTER: Becky, I had perfectly good relationship with the Trump administration. It's only when the Biden

administration came and it coincided with what was happening in Afghanistan. And for some reason, which I still don't know, I never -- did

never got in touch with (INAUDIBLE)

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ANDERSON: Well, Imran Kahn's been telling me why he alleges that the U.S. played a part in ousting him from power in April. You can hear that

interview in the next hour of CONNECT THE WORLD.

Well, still come. Monkey pox spreads even further in Europe as another country reports its first case -- first known case at least of the very

rare virus. I'll speak to our senior medical correspondent about that. Stay with us

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ANDERSON: Welcome back. I'm Becky Anderson in London. You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. A new please world leaders from Ukraine's president.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a remote appearance at the Economic Summit in Davos in Switzerland. He asked for more weapons and tougher sanctions on

Russia, including an end to all trade with Moscow.

And first Russian soldier accused of war crimes in Ukraine has been found guilty. According Kyiv sentenced him to life in prison for killing an

unarmed civilian. He may appeal the sentence within 30 days.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine inspired Finland and Sweden to forego decades of military neutrality and apply for NATO membership. Now both nations of

course have significant fighting forces. CNN's Nina dos Santos shows us what Sweden has to offer the Western alliance.

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ANDERSON: Have a look at this.

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NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN EUROPE EDITOR (voice over): Sweden's armed forces holding joint exercises with Finland days after the country's applied to

join NATO. These drills or plans two years ago, but have taken on a new urgency since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

GEN. MICAEL BYDEN, SUPREME COMMANDER, SWEDISH ARMED FORCES: The opponents have shown very clearly that the threshold to use their military means to

reach their aims and goals have lowered. We don't exclude anything today.

DOS SANTOS: With well-funded defenses both countries bring a lot to the table. Sweden in particular with its own homemade high-tech hardware

originally set up to support the nation's neutrality.

DOS SANTOS (on camera): So basically it's the fighter jets and then the submarines?

OSCAR JONSSON, DEFENSE ANALYST: I think Sweden has four main contribution. First one being geography. NATO cannot fulfill Article Five scenario in the

Baltics without using Swedish territory. Secondly is the Swedish Air Force.

DOS SANTOS (voice over): If part of NATO, Sweden, submarines and fighter jets could play a greater role in protecting Scandinavia and the Baltic

Sea.

EDSTIRN: Without an air defense, it will be very difficult for the Army and the Navy to conduct their operations. We are a strong Air Force with 100

fighters, we will add strength to the NATO.

DOS SANTOS: The jewel in its crown the grip in just 39 made by Saab.

What's it feel like?

MICAEL JOHANSSON, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, SAAB: Being in this aircraft is like being inside the rocket and fly a thing like this and that speed. It's

absolutely amazing. Using our avionics system is a completely new way of managing information. All these sensors to give you lots of information.

DOS SANTOS (on camera): I have been given the chance to take a look inside the cockpit. And what I can tell you is that you're immediately struck by

the sheer amount of technology that's been packed into a very tight space.

DOS SANTOS (voice over): Already used by NATO members, Hungary and the Czech Republic. These sophisticated craft have earned Sweden home to just

over 10 million people a place among the top rent Air Forces.

DOS SANTOS (on camera): These Swedish jets are also designed to be able to take off and land from very short runways. For instance, here they've been

practicing on a local highway. They also only need a limited number of personnel to refuel and rearm them and that can be done within 10 to 12

minutes.

JOHANSSON: If you have one or two air bases, I mean those will be targets immediately. If you have the capability that we can use highways and behind

aircrafts and operations, you become sort of much less a target.

DOS SANTOS (voice over): Sweden's bid for NATO membership may have hit some unexpected turbulence, but having these capabilities could in the end help

to win critics over.

BYDEN: We bring knowledge and experience from this region. We live here. We exercise here. We are prepared to fight here.

DOS SANTOS (voice over): Nina dos Santos CNN, in Tun, Sweden.

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CHURCH: Let's get you up to speed on some of the other stories that are on our radar right now. And the U.S. has received its first overseas shipment

of baby formula to address what is a nationwide shortage. A U.S. military aircraft from Germany carrying 35 tons of baby formula arrived in

Indianapolis on Sunday. It's expected to provide a week's worth of hyper allergenic formula to 27,000 babies and toddlers in critical need.

Denmark reporting its first monkeypox infection. The Danish health ministry says a man tested positive for monkeypox after a trip to Spain. And it's

now in isolation. More cases have also been detected in Portugal as the number worldwide passes 100. CNN Senior Medical Correspondent Elizabeth

Cohen here in London with me. I'm delighted to say to talk about both of these stories.

But I want to start off with this evolving story of monkeypox, which I have to say I think there's caught to a certain extent so many people off guard.

What do we know at this point?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: As a public health official said to me, it wasn't on my bingo card, you know, who thought that

monkeypox was going to show up? So what's being done is isolating the person who's sick and then contact tracing with the people they had contact

with. And I know you might be rolling your eyes right now because that's what they did during COVID. And we saw how well that worked not well, it

just ran out of control.

I will explain in a minute why it will work better with monkeypox or at least it should work better. So first, let's take a look at where monkeypox

is, as Becky said more than 100 cases in 15 countries. When you take a look at the list, it's basically Europe, Australia, the United States. The

United States now has at least three cases that are either concerned -- confirmed or presumptive.

And so, if we take a look at the symptoms, you can see that it starts out looking like a whole bunch of other things, but then it becomes a rash and

the transmission is by prolonged face to face contact.

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COHEN: And I want to emphasize that that it's prolonged it is not like COVID or contact with bodily fluids. And it was first discovered many years

ago in research monkeys. Now I want to explain to you why this isolation and contact tracing should help. It's just harder to spread monkeypox. So

for example, if you and I sitting here right now, if one of us had COVID, this new, you know, the Omicron version of it.

It's pretty likely the other one would get COVID. It's just that transmissible. That's not the case with monkey pox. It needs to be more

prolonged, it needs to be closer in especially if you're getting that skin to skin contact with those lesions that will spread it. So if you can

isolate the cases and then tell their contacts, look, you need to be, you know, quarantined and you need to be watching for the symptoms, that can go

a long way.

ANDERSON: Fascinating. Let's talk about baby formula. And this crisis in the U.S. It is -- it is so rare to see parents of baby formula arriving

from Germany to help American families. What's the latest on all of this?

COHEN: You know, I have to say I just came back from Rammstein. I was there, you know, over the weekend. And there was this sense as an American

of pride that the American military was helping get this formula from Europe to the U.S. and the service members certainly felt that as well. But

there was -- it was bittersweet, there is a bitterness that Europeans need to help Americans feed their own babies.

And this all started because there was a supply chain shortage of some of the ingredients that were needed for Formula back at the end of last year.

And then a -- one of the major factories making baby formula in the United States got closed because they had a problem with contamination. Now

there's only two big companies in the U.S. that make most of the baby formula in the U.S.

And so, it's when one of them has to shutter one of their major plants. That really is a problem. So let's take a look at Operation Fly Formula.

That's the images that you're seeing there. The where they went from the packages went from Rammstein to Indiana, so in between that flight and

another one that's coming up this week is 1.5 million ounces. I'm sorry, 1.5 million bottles, each bottle, eight ounces, the equivalent of that in

two flights.

The first one landed in Indianapolis yesterday and that one is not going to supermarket shelves, it's going to hospitals, it's going to pharmacies.

It's hypoallergenic. It's for babies with allergies. The second one is expected in the coming days. It will also be hyper allergenic formula. It

is unclear where that's going to go. And I think this is really key, Becky, because American parents are seeing this video and are expecting to show up

at their local supermarket and see full shelves.

That's not the case because the ones that were delivered yesterday are not even going to supermarkets. We don't know about this next batch. But even

if this next batch does go to supermarkets, it's still a relatively small amount in a gigantic country.

ANDERSON: It's a pleasure having you here.

COHEN: It's great to be here. Thank you.

ANDERSON: Thank you very much indeed. Right. Still to come. Blue is the happiest of colors and if you don't believe me just ask Manchester City

fans. They painted the town blue last night. And we have back into the courtroom for the final few days of that trial putting Hollywood star

against Hollywood star to their surgeon's testimony raises questions about some of Johnny Depp's injury injuries. All that coming up after this.

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CHURCH: All right. Welcome back. The defamation trial pitting actor Johnny Depp against Amber Heard has now resumed. It's expected to be the final

week of testimony and Depp depth is expected to be called back to the stand so far this morning. We've been hearing testimony from an orthopedic

surgeon. Jean Casarez has been following the trial. It's taught that Amber Heard's lawyers could call Johnny Depp back to the stand. This is as a

rebuttal witnesses.

As I understand, this is a really unusual move for the defense. Just talk us through this.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: OK. Well, first of all, this is Amber Heard's case. So they are finishing up their case. And we can talk about

Johnny Depp in a second because they have the right to call him to the stand in their case in chief because remember, she's countersuing, right?

For defamation because of the Daily Mail articles in 2020 that said that Amber Heard was a fraud.

But today it's very interesting. Orthopedic surgeon took the stand for Amber Heard saying that in regard to that severed finger in Australia that

Johnny Depp's testimony was that his hand was on the bar and she threw a vodka bottle and it crashed, cut -- splintered, open, the bottle broke and

it severed his finger. He said if that's how it happened that his nail would have been busted and different parts of the finger would have been

fractured.

And he looked at the X-rays and it wasn't so. So, they're discounting his claim but then on cross examination, which was very strong. Did you look at

the witness testimony of the butler who was there? Did you look at the pictures of all the broken vodka bottles underneath the bar right where

Depp was sitting? No. Did you look at the severed fingertip that was found underneath the bar? No.

So, they really worked at discrediting him because Heard's team put him on the stand but didn't show him all the evidence. And as an expert he can see

everything.

ANDERSON: It's like a Game of Cluedo this one. I mean I say that lightly. Anyway, we will continue to watch this. Jean, thank you.

CASAREZ: You're welcome.

ANDERSON: Well, there were so many tears at the Etihad Stadium last night. These though were tears of joy. Man City made a huge comeback in the

English Premier League and left their manager Pep Guardiola almost speechless almost, but not quite. World Sport Anchor Christina Macfarlane

knows what I'm talking about.

CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN INTERNATIONAL SENIOR SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: He really wasn't that speechless. We heard in the press conference afterwards

that he even had time to joke that he'd been given some advice on comebacks by Real Madrid. Of course, pretty funny circumstances. But, you know, this

will go down, Becky, as one of the greatest comebacks in Premier League history.

You saw the crowd invade the pitch last night. I know we're waiting for the parade to happen later today. Manchester (INAUDIBLE) knows what that is

going to be like. But, you know, also cements Pep Guardiola as one of the greatest managers of his generation. He's won in Spain, he's won in Germany

and now he has one.

ANDERSON: They came back against Aston Villa. And of course, they had to win that game because, you know, just behind them, Liverpool who are still

playing Champions League football and could still win the Champions League. And to a certain set, everybody's sort of, you know, objective observer

here. We'll say they sort of hope they do because they've been nixed, they've been robbed of the league at this point, aren't they?

MACFARLANE: And Liverpool was saying, you know, this kind of a warm up act for us.

ANDERSON: Yes.

MACFARLANE: (INAUDIBLE) next weekend and you can understand it.

ANDERSON: It was just a 30 good end to the season, which is brilliant. EPL. We love it. Thank you very much indeed. We are going to hand over to "WORLD

SPORT" after this short break. I am back after that.

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