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Kyiv Braces for Potential Attacks ahead of Independence Day; U.S. Embassy Urges Americans to Leave Ukraine Immediately; Memorial for Putin Ally's Daughter Killed by Car Bomb; Ex-Twitter Executive Blows Whistle on Alleged Lax Security Policies; Parts of China Move to Save Energy amid Heat Wave; Bolsonaro, Lula Trade Jabs ahead of October Vote. Aired 10-10:41a ET

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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST (voice-over): Ahead of its Independence Day, Ukraine fighting for its survival. President Zelenskyy vows that Ukraine's

flag will fly over all of its territory again.


PEITER "MUDGE" ZATKO, TWITTER WHISTLEBLOWER: Your whole perception of the world is made from what you are seeing, reading and consuming online.

ANDERSON (voice-over): The man known as "Mudge," one of the world's most famous hackers, is now bringing damning allegations against one of the

world's biggest tech companies.

Raging wildfires and dried-up lakes are just some of the scenes from China's most destructive heat wave in over 60 years.


ANDERSON: I'm Becky Anderson coming to you live from London. The time is 3 pm. Welcome to CONNECT THE WORLD.

Well, 31 years after breaking free from Moscow, Ukraine finds itself facing a threat from the former Soviet capital once again. Ukrainian officials are

urging citizens to be very careful and take air raid alarms seriously amid warnings that Russia could launch intense attacks to coincide with

Ukraine's Independence Day on Wednesday.

Even other cities are banning large gatherings this week. And the U.S. has urged Americans to get out of Ukraine immediately. American officials warn

the Russians could target civilians and government facilities. CNN's Kylie Atwood will have more from the U.S. State Department.

Let's get started with CNN's David McKenzie, who is live in Kyiv.

As we approach Wednesday and Independence Day, what is the feeling on the ground, David?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is a certainly state of heightened alert. Particularly, Becky, from the leadership of the country, both

military and civilian.

You had the president, President Zelenskyy, speaking in front of troops here earlier today, in the area behind me, in fact, telling them that it is

important that Ukraine continues this fight.

This is Flag Day and Ukraine. It is on the eve of Independence Day, where they will celebrate 31 years since getting independence from the then

Soviet Union. It is an important symbolic day. It would usually be met with large crowds and gathering parades.

None of that is happening this year because of the sense from leaders here of the heightened threat of possible strikes from Russia, deep in the heart

of the capital. Here is Zelenskyy talking about what they need to achieve in this conflict.


VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): Today, I would like to talk not only about the past of our flag but also about its

future. The blue and yellow flag will flutter again at its home, where it's supposed to be by right, in all temporarily occupied cities and villages of



MCKENZIE: This is also a moment for Ukrainians to take stock and to think about, of course, the devastating impact this war has had on a peaceful

nation. We put the question to President Zelenskyy at a later press conference, what information they had specifically about the threats that

they say are heightened at this time.

He said it's based on generalized information from partner intelligence agencies, from friendly countries. There has been several days of hints

from Ukrainian officials.

They have also taken practical steps, not just the gathering ban that I mentioned but also civil servants and other officials are coming into the

city, into their office, less over the next few days, not just here in Kyiv but across the country, bracing themselves for a possible increase in

strikes or action from the Russian side.

ANDERSON: Let me bring in Kylie at this point.

What more that we know about the warning from the U.S., for citizens in Ukraine at present?

KYLIE ATWOOD, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: What they are telling Americans who are still in Ukraine, is that the United States has

information that Russia is planning to step up its airstrikes specifically in Ukraine against civilian infrastructure and government facilities.

Telling Americans once again -- we should note, they've been saying this to Americans for months now.


ATWOOD: They should leave the country while it is still safe to do so. The question over timing here, the State Department spokesperson Ned Price said

that U.S. intelligence says that this could happen over the course of the next few days.

Of course, as we have Ukraine's Independence Day coming up tomorrow, this week marking the six-month anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but

he also was very clear in saying there has been a steady state, of course, of these Russian aggressions and Russian missiles on Ukraine.

So not being very explicit about exactly where in the country they expect this new aggression to take place or exactly when they expect it to take

place but being very explicit and telling Americans, once, again to get out of the country and to seek hardened structures, cover if they hear missiles

coming in.

ANDERSON: Back to you, David -- thank you, Kylie.

President Zelenskyy also promising to retake Crimea today, which, of course, has been under Russian control since 2014.

Is that a realistic suggestion at this point?

Any real chance that this is likely to happen anytime soon?

MCKENZIE: I don't think in the short term it is realistic in terms of the battle and where it stands and where the forces are positioned in the

southern and eastern part of this country. But it is a long term and that may be realistic.

It all depends on how the conflict goes in the next few weeks and even months. You've seen those dramatic actions that Ukraine finally admitted

to, anonymously to CNN, of explosion in the western part of Crimea, in the northern part, hitting important military infrastructure.

You have seen increased activity there that has broken the spell for Russians of that area is untouchable when it comes to Ukrainian forces. It

is the, in many ways, original sin of these conflicts, of taking over the Crimean Peninsula in 2014 by Russian forces.

And that is the ultimate aim that is being stated over and over again by Ukrainian officials, to not only take back sections of the Donbas that have

been under occupation and other areas of this current conflict but also eventually Crimea.

ANDERSON: David is on the ground in Ukraine.

Kylie, thank you, from the State Department today.

A car bombing and confusion looming over Russia's Ukraine narrative. A voice who helped shape that narrative, Putin ally and ideologue, Alexander

Dugin, today he said goodbye to his daughter, Darya Dugina, killed in a car bombing on Saturday near Moscow.

In an emotional speech, he declared, quote, "She died for Russia," and then urged victory over Ukraine in her memory. Have a listen.


ALEXANDER DUGIN, PUTIN ALLY AND IDEOLOGUE (through translator): The price that we have to pay could be justified by only one thing, the highest

achievement: victory. She lived in the name of victory and she died in the name of victory, our Russian victory, our truth, our orthodoxy, our country

and our empire.


ANDERSON: Questions about who is behind the murder continues. Moscow blaming Ukraine; Kyiv denying that allegation. We are live in Moscow. CNN's

Fred Pleitgen joining us now.

A lot of accusations, a lot of denials, a lot of things being thrown around about this attack.

What do we know at this point?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They are being thrown around, Becky, and I think they are also leading to a pretty

charged-up situation, at least here in Moscow.

We heard the denials coming from the Ukrainians, some pretty vehement denials. But that seems to be falling on deaf ears here in Moscow.

I was at the memorial event and all of the people who were speaking there were talking about believing that Ukraine was behind this, some even

speaking about state sponsored terrorism.

And many people were very openly calling for an escalation in Russia's special military operation in Ukraine.

Of course that war that has been going on for almost exactly half a year right now. Meanwhile, the Russians very quickly came out and said that they

found out who was actually behind all this after only about a day of an investigation. The Ukrainians again are denying it. But here is what we are

learning about this.


PLEITGEN (voice-over): Shortly after the explosion that caused Darya Dugina to crash on a Moscow highway, her car engulfed in flames. Darya

Dugina was dead at the scene, police say.

Her father, pro-Kremlin ideologue, Alexander Dugin, looking on in dismay. Tonight, Vladimir Putin with an angry response, quote, "a vial, cruel crime

cut short the life of Darya Dugina. She proved by deed what it means to be a patriot of Russia," the Russian leader said in a condolence letter.


PLEITGEN (voice-over): After only a short investigation, the Russians blaming Ukraine for the murder. The intelligence service releasing this

video, which CNN cannot independently verify, claiming to show a Ukrainian Special Services Operative who allegedly entered Russia together with her

young daughter, shadowed Dugina, carried out the car bombing and then fled to neighboring Estonia.

Alexander Dugin, who some believe may have been the actual target of the plot, lashing out against Ukraine, "Our hearts yearn for more than just

revenge or retribution. It's too small, not the Russian way. We only need our victory. My daughter laid her maiden life on her altar. So win,

please," Dugin wrote in a statement. Dugin has long advocated Russian expansionism and some believed laid the ideological groundwork for Vladimir

Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

The Ukrainians denied they had anything to do with his daughter's killing. Russian propaganda lives in a fictional world, an adviser to Ukraine's

presidential administration said and hinted the Ukrainians believe it may have been an inside job, adding, quote, "Vipers in Russian special services

started an intra-species fight."

The incident comes as Russia's invasion of Ukraine nears the half year mark and Moscow is keen to keep public opinion in favor of the operation with a

massive show of patriotism on Russia's National Flag Day in a series of events around the country.

(on-camera): In these trying times as Russia's military is fighting in Ukraine and the country is under heavy sanctions, it's become increasingly

important to display patriotism. At this event, the organizers have brought together hundreds of people to create a giant Russian flag.

(voice-over): Flags in public spaces and on Moscow's streets at this massive night-time convoy, many of the drivers flashed the Z symbol of the

Russian invasion forces fighting in Ukraine.

Our commander in chief and the army are doing everything right, this man says, as the pro-Putin convoy circles Moscow in a display of power, trying

to show that Russia will not be deterred from its current course.


PLEITGEN: As we mentioned, Becky, there are some who want an even stauncher (ph) course by the Russian Federation. There was one person at

this memorial event today, who called for a full-on war in Ukraine. You can see a really charged-up atmosphere here in Moscow after killing of Darya


Of course, once, against have to point out the Ukrainians have, on various occasions now, stated they had nothing to do with this at all -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Fred Pleitgen is in Moscow, thank you.

Regardless of who is behind the bombing, Dugina's murder may not be a shift in the pattern of modern-day Russian political killings. Be sure to head to

the website for more analysis, Or you can find that information there on your CNN app, of course.

The markets check for you. Energy prices climbing as supply becomes tighter. You can see oil closer to $100 on the barrel. That is after Saudi

Arabia floated the idea of cutting production energy.

The Saudi oil minister told Bloomberg said the prices were only falling of late because of unsubstantiated demand concerns and confusion about Ukraine

related sanctions.

Take a look at this, European natural gas prices also soaring up 13 percent overnight to what is a record high, currently at 14 times the average in

the past 10 years. Russia has promised to halt supplies through its Nord Stream pipeline at the end of the month for three days pushing, that strike

-- that spike.

The uncertainty around the energy crunch hitting European stocks; not all of. Them you could see what the story is here. The FTSE in London, the

European stocks down today. The Xetra DAX Germany holding its ground, as is Paris but Madrid off a little bit.

We have got a fresh two-decade low for the euro against the dollar and that has fallen below $1 for the second time this year, just pushing higher but

that number up and down as we speak.

Coming up, a CNN exclusive: a former Twitter executive says the company's security is lax at best and, much more than just your privacy, is it safe?

We will hear from him after the break.

Plus, campaign season in full swing in Brazil, with just over a month until the election there. President Bolsonaro's main competitor is using big TV

interviews to launch fresh attacks.


ANDERSON: More on that this hour.




ANDERSON: Welcome back, it is just quarter past 3 here. You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD.

To a CNN exclusive now. Twitter's ex-head of security blowing the whistle on his former company, on what he calls dangerous security policies. Here

is the deal.

In an explosive disclosure by CNN and "The Washington Post," Peiter Zatko alleges Twitter's security vulnerabilities are not only a danger to users

but to democracy itself. He spoke to CNN's Donie O'Sullivan about the allegations.




O'SULLIVAN: Why are you coming forward?

ZATKO: All my life, I've been about finding places where I can go and make a difference.

O'SULLIVAN: This is Peiter Zatko. Until January of this year, he was head of security at Twitter but now he's a whistleblower and he says Twitter

security problems are so grave, they are a risk to national security and democracy.

ZATKO: I think Twitter is a critical resource to the entire world. I think it is an extremely important platform.

O'SULLIVAN: He has handed over information about the company to U.S. law enforcement agencies, including the SEC, FTC and the Department of Justice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May I ask your name?

ZATKO: I'm Mudge.

O'SULLIVAN: Zatko is better known in the hacking world by his nickname, Mudge. He's been a renowned cybersecurity expert for decades.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His roots are in hacking, figuring out how computers and software work.

O'SULLIVAN: That expertise might be why Jack Dorsey, then-CEO of Twitter, hired Zatko after the company was hit by a massive attack in 2020, when

hackers took over the accounts of some of the world's most famous people.

JOHN TYE, FOUNDER, WHISTLEBLOWER AID: Mudge is one of the top fiber fix executives at the company.

O'SULLIVAN: Zatko is represented by John Tye, who founded Whistleblower Aid, the same group that represented Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen.

TYE: We are in touch with the law enforcement agencies. They're taking this seriously.

O'SULLIVAN: Twitter is pushing back, saying Zatko is peddling a narrative about our privacy and data security practices that is riddled with

inconsistencies and inaccuracies and lacks important context.

When we spoke to Zatko and his lawyer, they said the lawful whistleblower disclosure process only allows them to talk about the issues in general

terms. For specific allegations about Twitter, they referred us to Zatko's disclosure.

TYE: I'm not going to go into details but I will say Mudge stands by the disclosure and the allegations in there.

O'SULLIVAN: CNN and The Washington Post obtained a copy of the disclosure from a senior Democratic official on Capitol Hill. In it, Zatko claims

nearly half of Twitter's employees have access to some of the platform's main critical controls.

ZATKO: There is an analogy of an airplane. So you get on an airplane.


ZATKO: And every passenger and the attendant crew all have access to the cockpit, to the controls, that's entirely unnecessary. It might be easy

but, there, it is too easy to accidentally or intentionally turn an engine off.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Twitter accounts belonging to a whole lot of famous people --

O'SULLIVAN: That kind of access contributed to the massive attack in the summer of 2020, when hackers, two of them teenagers, tricked a couple of

Twitter employees into letting them into Twitter's systems. That gave them access to accounts including that of then presidential candidate Joe Biden.

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: I don't have to tell you the significance of being able to breach the Twitter accounts with many millions of followers

including a leading politician, three months from a presidential election.

O'SULLIVAN: In the disclosure, you quote from a "Wired" magazine article that says but if a teenager had access to an administration panel can bring

the company to its knees, just imagine what Vladimir Putin can do.

TYE: Foreign intelligence agencies have the resources to identify vulnerabilities that could have system effects across entire platforms,

across the whole internet.

O'SULLIVAN: Twitter told CNN that since the 2020 hack, it had improved these access systems and had trained staff to protect themselves against


If you're running any system, the more people that have access to the main switches, that's a very risky situation.

ZATKO: Yes, absolutely. I'm talking in generalities, just large tech companies need to know what the risks are and then they also need to have

an appetite to go fix it.

O'SULLIVAN: Zatko also claims Twitter has been misleading about how many fake accounts and bots are on its platform. That's an issue that Elon Musk

has made central to his attempt to get out of a deal to buy the company.

ELON MUSK, CEO, TESLA AND SPACEX: I guess right now I'm sort of debating the number of bots on Twitter.

O'SULLIVAN: There will be suspicions of the timing of this. Are you guys carrying water for Elon Musk?

ZATKO: Absolutely not. We have been following the news just like everyone else but that has nothing to do with his decisions or with the content of

what was sent in to U.S. law enforcement agencies.

O'SULLIVAN: Mudge hasn't been talking to Musk in the background during that time?

TYE: Not at all.

O'SULLIVAN: Zatko says he was fired by Twitter in January of this year after he tried to raise the alarm internally. He points the finger at

Twitter's CEO Parag Agrawal, saying he has worked to hide Twitter security vulnerabilities from the board.

I suspect that Twitter might try to paint it like this, that Mudge got fired and he's trying to retaliate against the company.

TYE: Absolutely not. This is not any kind of personal issue for him. He was eventually fired in January of this year but he hasn't given up on

trying to do that job.

O'SULLIVAN: In response to the allegations, Twitter told CNN, security and privacy had long been a priority at Twitter. As for Zatko, they said he,

quote, was fired from his senior executive role at Twitter more than six months ago for poor performance and leadership. He now appears to be

opportunistically seeking to inflict harm on Twitter, its customers and its shareholders.

ZATKO: Your whole perception of the world is made from what you are seeing, reading and consuming online. And if you don't have an

understanding of what's real, what's not, yes, I think this is pretty scary.

O'SULLIVAN: Are you nervous?

ZATKO: Yes. Yes. This wasn't my first choice. But yes, I just want to make the world a better place, a safer place. The levers that I have to do it

are through security, information and privacy.


ANDERSON: Donie O'Sullivan is joining us live with a closer look at the allegations.

Donie, as I understand it, we already heard from Elon Musk's team in response to your report.

What have they said?

O'SULLIVAN: Yes, that's right. Musk is trying to back out of this $44 billion deal to buy Twitter. Part of it is he saying there's too many bots

and fake accounts on the platform. So it makes sense that his team would be very, very interested in what Mr. Zatko has to say.

We actually learned this morning from Musk's lawyer is they had subpoenaed Zatko even before this disclosure came out. When he left the company it,

was quite public in January of this year. They are very interested to hear what he has to say.

So they have subpoenaed him. It does not look like Musk himself is on Twitter, is tweeting out at the moment. So we are still waiting to hear

from him. But look, this could very much help potentially Musk's case in trying to get out of that deal. That goes to court, by the way, between

Musk and Twitter in October.

ANDERSON: Zatko says he just wants to make the world a safer place and admits that he scared.

What do you make of what you learned from him?

Where does this go next?

O'SULLIVAN: Yes, Zatko is -- in cybersecurity community, Zatko, "Mudge," as he is known, is a legend.



O'SULLIVAN: We spent a lot of this past weekend talking to many sources on Capitol Hill and elsewhere in Silicon Valley. It was difficult to find

anybody who would fault Zatko. Most people said, if he's saying there is an issue here, there is a big issue here.

Of course, Twitter is pushing back and saying he is mischaracterizing it.

Where does this all go next?

He says he wants to publicly testify. He wants to be called before Congress, before legislatures and committees elsewhere in Europe and

elsewhere. So he very much does not plan on disappearing into the shadows. He is out there. And he wants to share the story.

ANDERSON: Stay on it, thank you, Donie.

Head to our website for a deep dive into Zatko's allegations against Twitter. We take an in-depth look at his background, how Musk plays into

the story and what is coming next. That is

You are watching CONNECT THE WORLD with Becky Anderson, live today from London, the time is half past 3.

Still ahead, parts of China go dark. Factories shut down after weeks of searing temperatures. The major impact this prolonged heat wave is having

on Chinese businesses.

And extreme weather patterns causing severe flooding in other parts of Asia. We are live in Pakistan, which is seeing hundreds of flood related





ANDERSON: Dried-up rivers, raging wildfires and, with it, crops. And now closed factories and blackouts. This is China, struggling through an

unrelenting heat wave, the country's worst in six decades. These pictures show just how bad it is.

On the left side of your screen, dried up sections of Lake Poyang, China's largest freshwater lake.

On the right, fast moving wildfires in southwestern China. Research there says they broke out spontaneously in searing temperatures, which have

hovered around 40 degrees Celsius now for weeks. My colleague, Kristie Lu Stout, shows us the huge impact the heat wave is having both inside the

country and around the world.


KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: China is suffering through its worst heat wave since 1961 as officials deal with surging electricity

demand from households and dwindling hydropower output.

They are taking measures across the country. In the mega city of Shanghai, outdoor ads and billboards have been turned off to save power, according to

city officials.


STOUT: Even the city's iconic Bund skyline has gone dark in a desperate bid to save electricity.

In the city of Chongqing, over 5,000 firefighters and emergency personnel have been dispatched to put out bush fires caused by the drought and heat

wave. No casualties have been reported. According to local authorities, the fires are being kept under control.

Meanwhile, across the province of Sichuan, the drought has cut its hydropower capacity by half, according to state media. Some 80 percent of

the province's electricity comes from hydropower.

And to make up the shortfall, Sichuan is running its largest coal fired plant nonstop. Also in Sichuan, a blackout has been extended to seize

operations at all factories in 19 of the region's 21 cities through Saturday.

Sichuan is a key manufacturing hub for chips and for solar panels. It's home to factories run by Apple, Foxconn and Intel. And because of the power

crunch in Sichuan, carmakers in Shanghai have been hit by supply chain disruptions and impacted production at their factories.

Affected carmakers reportedly include Tesla and SAIC Motors, China's largest automaker, which operates joint ventures with Volkswagen and GM.

Since mid June, this intense and prolonged heat wave has been scorching huge parts of China, affecting some 900 million people. On Tuesday, China

issued a red alert heat warning. That is the highest level to at least 165 cities and counties across the country.

Temperatures are expected to exceed 40 degrees Celsius, 104 degrees Fahrenheit. Across China, the human toll is serious. The economic toll is

rising -- Kristie Lu Stout, CNN, Hong Kong.


ANDERSON: In South Asia, Afghanistan reeling from severe flash flooding that has killed at least 95 people and injured hundreds of others. The

disaster has stretched across 10 provinces over the past 10 days.

Authorities say thousands of homes have been swept away, making the humanitarian situation worse for a country already in dire need of food,

shelter and medicine after June's earthquake.

Neighboring Pakistan also seeing relentless flooding. Officials there say more than 800 people have died since mid June. Thousands are stranded in

Balochistan, the province, after major roadways and bridges were destroyed.

CNN's Sophia Saifi joins us live from the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.

South Asia is expected to bear some of the worst effects of climate change.

Does Pakistan have the resources that it needs to help these areas, particularly Balochistan?

They have been so badly hit.

SOPHIA SAIFI, CNN PRODUCER: Becky, Pakistan is one of those regions, like you, said that has been facing the brunt of climate change. It is a part of

the world, South Asia, Pakistan included, which has always had uneven weather patterns.

There has always been flooding and extreme weather but not at the level and record levels that we are seeing at the moment. Pakistan's military has

always been quite quick to respond to national -- natural calamities like this in the country.

But at the moment, because of the fact that it is so widespread, it is -- they're kind of stretched. You have the climate change minister saying that

developing countries like Pakistan are having to divert most of their resources to risk relief, to relief efforts for situations like this.

Balochistan, UNICEF has come out that said Pakistan, amongst other countries, like Afghanistan, India and Nepal, are places where children are

worst affected by this extreme weather.

We saw a cholera outbreak happen in Balochistan just a couple of months ago in May because of the extreme heat that had happened. We have had climate

change experts say that, because of increasing heat waves in the South Asian region, including in Pakistan, we are going to see increasing monsoon


So the monsoon has become longer. There are people whose entire villages have been swept away. Roads are submerged. The help, even if there is, some

is not being able to get to these villages. We have data today that over 300,000 homes across Pakistan have been completely destroyed by these

floods just in the past two months -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Those numbers are remarkable, thank you.

New before and after images show just how fast the world's glaciers are melting. In Switzerland, they're losing an area the size of Manhattan every

10 years.

This is what's the country's Gorner Glacier looked like 87 years ago. You can see how far that ice stretched then. Today, the ice gone, replaced by

trees and vegetation.


ANDERSON: And here are two more images 93 years apart. The glacier is now gone. Researchers say that the world can expect to see another 60 percent

loss in glacier mass by the end of the century.

In sports, bitter rivals, surprising result.

Or was it?

Depends on which manager you talk to, ManU or Liverpool?

That match and its result is up next.




ANDERSON: In Brazil, federal police carried out raids involving eight business men who are prominent supporters of the president Jair Bolsonaro.

A media report accuses the men of discussing a possible coup d'etat if Mr. Bolsonaro's main rival, Lula da Silva, wins the election there in October.

Lula, for his part, is defending the integrity of the upcoming vote. He says he believes the outcome will be accepted despite political

polarization. He slammed Bolsonaro as a "botched copy of Donald Trump" for attempting to discredit the electoral system.

Mr. Bolsonaro, meanwhile, says he would accept the results as long as they are, quote, "fair and clean." Journalist Stefano Pozzebon is following the

campaigning and the jabs.

Today you are reporting from Bogota in Colombia.

What's do we know about these raids against Bolsonaro allies?

STEFANO POZZEBON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is really not much we know at this time. What we know is from our affiliate in Brazil. We know that raids

were carried out in at least five different states in Brazil, including Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, the two most populous ones.

What is key I think that we know is that, among the material that was seized, are the personal phones and the computers of these business men as

well as their social media accounts.

Of course, we have seen with the scoop from Donie just 20 minutes ago about Twitter that social media is now an incredible part of campaigning and

political strategies. That is at the bottom of this investigation.

One note, Becky: the authorization for police action is signed by Judge Alexandre de Moraes. He's a supreme court justice who is, also as of last

week, the president of the supreme electoral tribunal.

Basically, he is the person that will be in -- will have to ensure that the election is just as Bolsonaro required, clean and transparent in October.

You can see that there are several pieces moving around.

Yesterday, Bolsonaro in his interview was asked whether his recent outburst, when he put the credibility of the Brazil electoral system, were



POZZEBON: He said that it was a provocation and that he is sure that the election will be fair and transparent. But it was a condition for him to

accept the results -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Briefly, we certainly heard Lula da Silva described Bolsonaro as a botched version of Donald Trump.

What else have we heard?

POZZEBON: He gave a presser yesterday, directed at foreign press. The first question was about the Amazon. It was about the murder and

assassination of Brazil, of British journalist Dom Phillips from "The Guardian," who was killed in the Amazon in June. Lula said that his

uttermost priority is to safeguard the Amazon. Take a listen.


INACIO LULA DA SILVA, BRAZILIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (through translator): The issue of the Amazon will be taken care of, not just by

Brazil. We need to involve all the Amazon countries in this discussion.

We have to involve Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, who are very close to us. So we have a collective attitude to preserve our forests

and biodiversity.


POZZEBON: On that, Bolsonaro, Becky, yesterday gave a completely different answer in that interview.

He said, I quote, "The number one priority in the Amazon is the 30 million people, 30 million Brazilians, living there."

Of course, two different ways of approaching the problem of climate change and how to respect these enormous forests that is a treasure for all of


ANDERSON: Absolutely. Thank you.