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Memorial for Daughter of Putin Ally Killed in CR Bomb Attack; Zelenskyy: Crimea is Part of Ukraine; Zelenskyy Speaks Amid Threat of Independence Day Attacks; Zelenskyy Will Return Crimea to Ukrainian Control; EU: "Hoping" to Receive Response from U.S. this Week; Euro Falls to Two-Decade Low Against U.S. Dollars. Aired 11a-12p ET
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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT, CONNECT THE WORLD: Ukraine are fighting to keep the independence its held on to for 31 years as Russia threatens to
ramp-up attacks that would take it away. Ukrainian officials are urging citizens to be very careful amid warnings that Russia could find missiles
to coincide with Ukraine's Independence Day, which is Wednesday.
Kyiv and other cities banning large gatherings this week and the U.S. has urged Americans to get out of the country immediately. American officials
warn that Russian forces could target civilians and government facilities.
Meantime, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy promises Ukrainian flag will fly again over occupied areas and he warned that if Russia does escalate
attacks, there will be a response.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: What will Ukraine do if they hit Kyiv? The same as now, because for me, as for the President, and I'm sure
that for every Ukrainian, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Donbas, it's all the same. All our Ukrainians live there, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia. The answer will be the
same as these cities. They will hit us they will receive a response, a powerful response.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: CNN's David McKenzie has more now from the watchful capital of Kyiv.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIOAL CORRESPONDENT: They certainly a heightened state of alert here in the Capital Kyiv about the chances or the
expectations of possible Russian strikes in the heart of the Capital as well as in other cities across Ukraine.
President Zelenskyy has warned again of that today, as CNN put the question to him, what intelligence or specific information has led to these
warnings? He said that they are getting this from generalized information from partner countries.
And this is something that they have been talking about since at least the weekend and making practical steps towards making people safer should there
be an increase or strikes on Kyiv and other cities.
They've reduced the amount of officials coming into the workplace over the next few days, as well as asking people banning them in fact, from having
large gatherings to commemorate what is an important period in Ukraine.
The Flag Day today and the Independence celebrations, 31 years since Ukraine broke away from the former Soviet Union, these would normally be
seen in large crowds and celebrations.
Not this year, because the general sense of nervousness. The Defense Intelligence said that people need to take a red siren seriously seek
shelter. And they said that the Russians, as they put it, are crazy about dates, and symbols.
Hence, they say they believe they could very well be strikes over the next few days here in Ukraine. David McKenzie, CNN, Kyiv.
ANDERSON: Well, earlier my colleague Isa Soares spoke to the NATO Chief Jens Stoltenberg who sounded especially intense. Have a listen.
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JENS STOLTENBERG, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: Winter's coming and winter is going to be hard. And NATO allies across Europe and North America are
paying a price caused by the sanctions caused by of course, the brutal war of Russia against Ukraine, increasing energy prices inflation.
But at the same time, we know that the price we have to pay if we don't support Ukraine can be much higher, because if Russia wins in Ukraine, the
world will be more dangerous we will be more vulnerable.
So we just have to provide and continue to sustain support to Ukraine. And we also have to remember that the price we are paying is the price that we
can measure in money. The price the Ukrainians are paying is a price measured in lives hundreds of lives lost every day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: And you can catch the full interview with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on, Isa Soares tonight is coming up at 7 p.m. here in
London that is 10 p.m. if you're watching in Abu Dhabi.
Well, voices of dissent within Russia have been rare since the invasion of Ukraine a voice of dissent within the Russian military is even more
unusual. But CNN's Matthew Chance met with a Russian paratrooper who was the first serving member of the military to speak out against the conflict.
He's now an exile in hiding and he fears for his life.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The first wave of Russian forces, crack airborne troops like we met outside Kyiv just hours after the
war began. I've gone these men were quickly pushed back. But elsewhere in Ukraine, others held on fighting what the Kremlin still calls its special
military operation. Now six months on, there are very public sides of this content.
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PAVEL FILATYEV, RUSSIAN SOLDIER: It's awful to realize that Russia is destroying Ukraine and Ukraine hates Russia because of what we are doing.
And that the whole world thinks Russians are animals and bad people.
CHANCE (voice over): We traveled to a secret location, thousands of miles from the warzone to meet that disillusioned Russian soldier in hiding; he
says he feels compelled to speak out despite the risk.
CHANCE (on camera): Right. Well, this is the place where we're told he's currently hold up. We've spoken to him on the phone already. He's very
paranoid. Concern the Russian security forces are trying to track him down. But he has agreed to meet with us and to speak with us.
CHANCE (on camera): Hi, Pavel.
FILATYEV: Hello.
FILATYEV: Pavel, kudos with you.
CHANCE (on camera): Kudos with you.
CHANCE (voice over): Pavel Filatyev serves in Russia's elite 56 Air Assault regiment deployed to Ukraine's Kherson region as part of that first
invasion wave. He fought for more than two months on the front lines; he told me and was appalled by what he saw.
FILATYEV: We were dragged into the serious conflict, but we're just destroying towns and that actually liberating anyone. All of that's a lie.
We are simply destroying peaceful lives.
CHANCE (voice over): And we've seen those lives destroyed Russian troops, killing thousands of Ukrainian civilians, in a bloody rampage across the
country. Human rights groups and others, documenting alleged war crimes, including rapes and killings.
But that's something Filatyev denies witnessing at all, although he does describe how grinding battles, poor conditions, and a severe lack of basic
supplies, turned Russian soldiers like him into savages.
FILATYEV: Many of us had no food, no water, nor even sleeping bags. Because it was very cold at night and we couldn't sleep, we would find some
rubbish, some rags just to wrap ourselves and to keep warm.
Some took laptops, computers and other technology, perhaps because their salary does not provide for them to get those in an honest way. Many robbed
abandoned stores with mobile phones and other things.
I don't want to justify their actions. But it is important to understand that their poor level of life pushes them to do such things during war.
CHANCE (on camera): A lot of Ukrainians feel that you should be held responsible for what you've done and for the actions that you've taken part
in. Do you think that you should be held responsible? Do you feel responsible for what you've done?
FILATYEV: Look, the majority of Russian servicemen did not break the laws of combat. But morally, I feel guilty, guilty for being used as an
instrument in political games, which will not even bring Russia any benefit.
Our army has been destroyed. My government has destroyed almost every sphere with corruption and everyone in Russia knows it.
CHANCE (voice over): But Filatyev is the first Russian soldier to speak up publishing his scathing frontline memoirs on social media before fleeing
his homeland. Now he's an exile and he fears a potential target to the powers he's criticized. Matthew Chance, CNN.
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ANDERSON: No mercy, a warning from Russia's foreign minister to those responsible for the murder of Darya Dugina, daughter of Putin ally
ideologue. Alexander Dugin was killed in a car bombing on Saturday near Moscow.
In an emotional speech Dugina's memorial earlier today, he declared she died for Russia and then urged victory over Ukraine in her memory, have a
listen.
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ALEXANDER DUGIN, FATHER OF DARYA DUGINA: The price that we have to pay can be justified by only one thing, the highest achievement, and victory. She
lived in the name of victory, and she died in the name of victory, our Russian victory, our truth, our orthodoxy, our country and our empire.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Well, questions about who is behind Dugina's murder continue. Moscow is blaming Ukraine, Kyiv denying that allegation. We're live in
Moscow with CNN's Fred Pleitgen. And you were at that memorial earlier today, just describe what you saw and heard?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, I think the most remarkable thing was of course, there was a lot of grieving
a lot of agony. There were a lot of mourners, who actually came there and pay their final respects to Darya Dugina.
But there was also a pretty charged up atmosphere and a lot of people saying similar things to what we just heard there from Alexander Dugin
himself. There were some people calling for all-out war against Ukraine for an escalation against Ukraine.
And you know if you look at Alexander Dugin and some of the other folks who were speaking there of course a lot of them are hardliners, of course a lot
of them subscribe to that imperial idea of Russia to an expansionist idea of Russia.
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PLEITGEN: But we also have to take note of the fact that a telegram was written that read a condolence telegram by Vladimir Putin, a condolence
telegram was read by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as well.
So certainly someone like Alexandra Dugin and his daughter who's slain definitely are people who are heard in the top echelons of Russian politics
and who certainly are very influential there as well.
And among those top echelons you do right now, do somewhat hear the idea of a possible escalation in Ukraine and getting tougher on Ukraine and
escalating. That's what Russia called its special military operation, Becky.
ANDERSON: Fred, further accusations from Russia today about who was behind this attack. Where does this go next? And how does it end? Is it clear?
PLEITGEN: Well, you know, what, it's very difficult to ascertain how this is going to end. But it certainly is a real possibility that it could end
in a further escalation of the war in Ukraine.
If you look at the accusations that are being made by the Russian saying that essentially, the Ukrainian special services were behind all of this,
that there was an infiltration of Russia by these special services.
And again, you get back to that memorial services that I was at today. There were clearly people saying that this is state terrorism, as they put
it by the Ukrainians. Of course, Ukrainians have vehemently denied that on various occasions throughout the last couple of days.
Nevertheless, it is something that's out there as the Russians say that the investigation while they believe they already have all the facts still
continues, who's what we're learning.
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PLEITGEN (voice over): Shortly after the explosion that caused Darya Dugina to crash on a Moscow highway, her car engulfed in flames. Darya Dugina was
dead at the scene, police say, her father pro Kremlin ideologues, Alexander Dugin looking on in dismay.
Tonight, Vladimir Putin with an angry response "a vile cruel crime cut short the life of Darya Dugina ". She proved by deed what it means to be a
Patriot of Russia, the Russian leader said in a condolence letter.
After only a short investigation, the Russians are now blaming Ukraine for the murder. The Intelligence Service releasing this video which CNN cannot
independently verify, claiming to show Ukrainian special services operative that allegedly entered Russia together with her young daughter shadowed
Dugina, carried out the car bombing and then fled to neighboring Estonia.
Alexander Dugin, who some believe may have been the actual target of the plot lashing out against Ukraine. Our hearts yearn for more than just
revenge or retribution. It's too small, not the Russian way.
We only need our victory; my daughter laid her maiden life on her altar. So win, please, Dugan wrote in a statement. Dugan has long advocated Russian
expansionism and some believe laid the ideological groundwork for Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
The Ukrainians deny they had anything to do with his daughter's killing. Russian propaganda lives in a fictional world and advisor to Ukraine's
presidential administration said and hinted the Ukrainians believe it may have been an inside job adding "Vipers in Russian special services started
an interest species fight'.
The incident comes as Russia's invasion of Ukraine nears the half year mark and Moscow is keen to keep public opinion in favor of the operation, with a
massive show of patriotism on Russia's national Flag Day in a series of events around the country.
In these trying times as Russia's Military is fighting in Ukraine and the country is under heavy sanctions, it's become increasingly important to
display patriotism. At this event, the organizers have brought together hundreds of people to create a giant Russian flag, flags and public spaces
and on Moscow streets.
At this massive nighttime convoy, many of the drivers flashed the Z symbol of Russia's invasion forces fighting in Ukraine. Our commander in chief and
the army are doing everything right; this man says as the pro Putin convoys circles Moscow in a display of power, trying to show that Russia won't be
deterred from its current course.
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ANDERSON: Well, the President of Ukraine giving a news conference right now in key the day before Independence Day that as we've been reporting, there
are real fears of heightened attacks from Russia. Let's listen in.
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ZELENSKYY: During these beautiful days, but our neighbors are not. I think we will be able to celebrate our independence and victory. But now we need
to be careful to see when we have a holiday, especially when there has been such a tense atmosphere during this six months.
So people get relaxed and go with their family somewhere to have dinner but to ask everyone to be careful. The security services, emergency services
are working.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My second point--
ZELENSKYY: Second point -
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Russia is accusing Crimea of carrying out a covert assassination. What response are you expecting?
ZELENSKYY: Kenya, maybe can you rephrase your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Russia is accusing Ukraine for being behind the car bomb of Darya Dugina? What shall we expect --?
ZELENSKYY: This is not our responsibility. She's not a citizen of our country. We are not interested in her. She's not on the territory of
Ukraine either occupied or not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said that the Crimea has to be returned to Ukraine, and likely it will be done in a peaceful way. Is Ukraine going to shell on
military objects in Crimea? And why is it still not doing it?
ZELENSKYY: We are going to return the Crimea because this is our territory in the way that we decide without consultation with any other countries.
As to the open attacks, Ukraine is not hitting civilian population which is either in another country or in Ukrainian territory or occupied territory.
We know where military objects are or weapon storages, the Ukrainian military can work according to the plan there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to continue with the previous question last year. There was a declaration after the Crimean platform which said that Ukraine
treats occupational of Crimea by political means. Is there - are there any plans to liberate the peninsula by military means?
ZELENSKYY: Last year, it was a different situation. There wasn't a new war. And Ukraine was demonstrating that we are prepared for diplomacy.
We want this; we don't want people to die. We want to make an agreement to occupy our territories. Regardless how many hours we need for that, we were
trying to do this for several years.
There was a long process of ceasefire, but you can see how it all in today. Now we can see it hasn't ended. There was full scale invasion last year. We
you started the Crimean platform.
And the sign of it is the treatment of us and to diplomatic effort, I think there were 46 represents just information of different countries, mainly it
was from European continent.
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ZELENSKYY: They were on different levels, presidents, prime ministers, ministers, now, we have about 60 representatives of the countries all over
the world. We have African countries and Latin American countries, representatives and European countries also.
The level of foreign ministers is changed to the level of presidents, prime ministers; we can see presidents or prime ministers of France, Germany, and
Turkey. So the summit has entered the political circles of the world.
We are carrying out this Crimean platform on three directions. The conference can be held in Germany, on the rebuilding of the country, Crimea
is part of Ukraine and third party's legislation direction.
So there will be three different dates and three different directions, presidential level economic direction and parliamentary report, and we can
see the treatment of people.
We can see that many leaders have changed drastically, the attitude to the Russian leadership, they make sharp open statements, they're not afraid to
get the annexation is illegal, that the occupation is necessary that Ukraine has to choose the way of occupation. And we understand we need to
have a few victims as possible. This is the -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before the war, you have a strategy to return the Crimea by political means. Since the war started, has your policy of returning
Crimea changed and the first negotiations the Ukrainian delegations separated the issue of Crimea from the war. Are you going to discuss it
again?
ZELENSKYY: It's a very complicated question. Firstly, there isn't such a thing as after the war, the war is still going on. Secondly, there can be
no negotiations, the narrative of Russia who says that Ukraine doesn't want peace, just ridiculous.
I want to return you back to the ground. The war is exclusively on our territory. They have come to our land and that killing the citizens of
Ukraine and Ukrainian citizens.
Ukrainians are fighting for their lives. And Russia is killing and applying violence and they're telling us that they don't see any negotiations apart
from this.
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ZELENSKYY: But we are explaining that everything that they have done, they are not thinking about any dialogue, and they haven't ever thought they
made a decision to occupy our country.
Same as in 2014 they made this decision. And because the world did not hit them in the face, they decided to go further, but we are hitting them in
the face.
MCKENZIE: Thank you, David McKenzie, CNN. I have two questions. My first question is some analysts are suggesting that the international community
Mr. President is giving Ukraine just enough military support to stop Russia's advance but not enough to actually win this war.
Do you agree with that assessment? And my follow up is six months into this war; would you have done anything differently? Thank you.
ZELENSKYY: It's difficult to answer this question. We have a strong military and the people who are united and grateful to everyone for the
result that we have. Today I'm also grateful to our foreign partners, regardless that they are giving much or little.
We are united in defending our joint values, I'm sorry that it took such a big price. And I understand all countries can have their own problems. But
as soon as the world gets tired of this problem, it will be a very big threat.
It is true that we need more help. I'm not complaining about any specific country. I'm just saying openly about, I'm talking about our guys and girls
whom it is very difficult when they are being attacked; they are just standing because they are very motivated. I see those pictures whose
children can't see before bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's very important issue. Russian business in Ukraine, I don't know if you have asked Mr. - to get, to look into expert.
ZELENSKYY: To be honest, I did not ask ministers to work with any specific business. They need to work with the whole old businesses. This is what I
ordered to the prime minister that it is a complex decision, a list of companies; I don't know what they do. We are only interested with their
root that stands behind these companies.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Mr. President. - Fox News. So looking at what changes we've seen in recent days. When we look at the military aid
packages what specifically is making the biggest difference on the front lines?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And second question, looking ahead, now that we reached the six month mark, where are the parts of the country that are
most desperately in need?
ZELENSKYY: Can you repeat your question?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. You said how they helped, yes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Specifically what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who they?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well all western partners that are combined.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, western partners told to them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What specific military equipment is making the biggest difference?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What does it mean Michel?
ZELENSKYY: We understand that the helping with the --you have some session?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, we do.
ZELENSKYY: OK, great. - MLRS systems. We need powerful artillery, the artillery that was given to us 155 millimeters. We're very thankful. Not
going to comment on the numbers. We need more.
How this is going to help us, this will help us to liberate our land sooner and armored vehicles. Yes, we need, I am not going to say how much we have
received or how much we still need, but we need as many as possible. The task is very simple to liberate our land. But we don't need anyone else's
land.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you assess the Chief Commander Zaluzhny because there are some rumors about plans to move him to a different position?
ZELENSKYY: I am not planning to move anywhere Commander in Chief Zaluzhny; we are working as one team. People are working in different directions. You
know their names - our people know our heroes, we have this team they're working. The main mark is we are standing, it means the mark is high. When
we win, the mark will be the highest.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you assess the work of the Ukrainian government and taking into account the unity of the 60 leaders of different countries?
Do you see the Crimean platform as an alternative for the organization of United Nations?
ZELENSKYY: I don't think I can resolve these problems; I wouldn't want to lose this summit. It is not an adult yet, although it's not a child
anymore. I have a feeling that this is a powerful summit.
Everyone is saying that and we believe in this and if it gives us the main results the defense of people, the Crimean people to charge Crimean Tatars.
And if we have a result, which is the occupation, the occupation, in that case, the Crimean platform will become a very powerful ground to resolve
conflict all over the world.
This is not an alternative; it is a specific summit about the occupation of our peninsula. And also you asked about my assessment of the government
work, they have a task to feed to the military and give them salaries. This is one. The second one is the heating season taking into account that they
destroyed our supply of gas, oil, electricity.
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ZELENSKYY: The price cannot go up tenfold. The salaries to our teachers, doctors and pensioners, they have to be protected. I haven't named all of
them. These are the key things.
The main thing is the salaries of the military and the heating season because these are our clear priorities, because the attack is on the
battlefield and in energy sector. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course, I apologize to other professions, of Ukrainian people, for not naming all of
them.
ZELENSKYY: If I have a feeling that something is not working in this direction, we will have to do conclusion, but at the moment I don't see any
way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the G7 summit in Germany, you said you wanted to finish with a war before the winter. Are your hopes still there? And
another question, the defense of Mariupol, how do you assess the perspective of the exchange of our prisoners?
ZELENSKYY: Today about the exchange, I will tell you who is dealing with this later when it happens. We are saying that if there is some unlawful
trial and other terrible measures, we can forget about any future diplomacy, I can tell you openly.
144 people were returned. But that's officially but some people were returned unofficially through different services, including the Security
Service of Ukraine. This is truly too.
We remember how many people were in Azovstal. We are working in this direction, it is very difficult. To the end of the war before the winter,
my message is simple.
We had some heels and that we need to transfer to ceasefire and start negotiating with Russia. And we explained that we are not prepared for - we
are not ready for Minsk, five or seven.
In this way, we have lost a part of our territory; everyone has heard us this is a trap. And it means we will lose the south of our country. There
will be some conditions there will be several years, we will not have access to see them in a year.
Also they will go after Mykolaiv or later they will want to go to our Capitol. So this is what I will say to stabilize the situation where the
armed forces are at the moment in order to come down the Russian Federation. Ukraine is not going to do this. So this is why we want a lot
of things before the war.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, thank you. What are your actual thoughts or your point of view? When you look at the support from the European Union
or especially from Germany? Are you fine so far with a number of weapons or other needs you may need?
Or is there something where you say, we need more support for this or for that, or is we are something to less from anything?
ZELENSKYY: My position is simple, and it hasn't changed. If you're pragmatic, completely, I would say the following, this war costs a lot. Its
cost is very high for the whole world. For us, it's the highest because it is about people.
For some people in Europe, they are feeling it already. Some other countries are not feeling it yet, but the blocking of food in the sea, it
will be felt later, some, but the highest price will be for Russia.
It's 100 percent because it will be historic price. I want to say from the pragmatic point of view, the longer this war, the more expensive it is. For
us, it is people, for Europe is economy.
For Russia, I understand how this is all going to end. I don't want to complain. Because they will say we are helping you with weapons. And you're
saying again, so I want to be careful.
But I think the shorter the war, the more - the less it will cost. It is cheaper to finish the war sooner and to finish as soon as possible by
giving us more weapons. It's a very simple school formula and congratulations to everyone.
ANDERSON: The President of Ukraine speaking ahead of the six month anniversary of this Russian war, warning people to remain vigilant and stay
safe ahead of Ukraine's Independence Day on Wednesday amid warnings that Russia could ramp up its attacks on the anniversary of what would be 31
years of independence from Moscow.
Well earlier he vowed to restore Ukrainian rule over Russia annexed Crimea to help as he put it reestablished world law and order. And on the claims
by Russia that Ukraine is responsible for the murder of Darya Dugina, this is what he said.
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ZELENSKYY: This is not our responsibility. She's not a citizen of our country. We are not interested in her, she's not on the territory of
Ukraine either occupied or not.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Well, Ned Price, the State Department spokesman has just said to CNN that he wouldn't put it past Russia to be behind the car bomb that
killed Darya Dugina.
He went on to tell my colleague Jim Sciutto that, "We have a lot of questions about what happened in Moscow. We don't have any full clarity but
this is a government. This is a regime he said that is in many ways, devious. And certainly I wouldn't put anything past them", Ned Price
Speaking to CNN just earlier this hour.
Well, closer, but not yet there. That is how the U.S. State Department spokesman describes negotiations to revive the Iran nuclear deal, the
waiting game has been going on for week's months now.
Earlier Tuesday, the EU's top diplomat said Iran has agreed to a proposal. But once some quick additional adjustments Yosef Burrell is saying the
involved parties hope to receive a response from the United States this week.
U.S. Security Correspondent Kylie Atwood is at the State Department in Washington. Let's remember the EU of course in direct communications in
direct negotiations with the Iranians at present, the U.S. in indirect negotiations.
Yosef Burrell also went on to say that most countries agree with this EU proposal this most recent proposal, but he's still waiting on America's
take. It does somewhat and I'm sure many of our viewers will agree feel like Groundhog Day doesn't it. What's the holdup in DC?
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KYLIE ATWOOD, CNN U.S. SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it does, in a lot of ways feel like that. I would agree. But I also think we're starting to
learn a little bit - excuse me, we're starting to learn a little bit as to why the Biden Administration might somewhat agree with what Burrell said,
with regard to Iran's response, calling that reasonable.
Because the Biden Administration according to senior administration officials, feels that Iran has softened some of the demands that they were
making over the course of recent months when it came to these negotiations.
First, when it comes to the IRGC, Iran had been demanding that they be taken off the foreign terrorist list, we're told by a senior administration
official that at least for now, they have dropped that demand.
And then when it comes to this IAEA probe into some material that was found in undeclared sites in Iran, Iran has been prohibiting the IAEA from doing
that probe demanding that they dropped the probe if they are to go back into the Iran nuclear deal.
And according to another senior administration official, they've also for now dropped that demand, so things do appear to be moving in the right
direction. There is some momentum there.
But as you were saying, we're still waiting for the Biden Administration to give its formal response to the EU. And there's no indication here that
it's going to be an outright yes.
So it doesn't look like we're on the precipice of there being a deal. But of course, there is some more momentum in terms of this back and forth.
ANDERSON: Right.
ATWOOD: We got specific issues, than we have seen over the course of the last, you know, year, year and a half.
ANDERSON: And I'm just reading a tweet from Trita Parsi, who is imbued in Iranian politics. Trita, one of the analysts that we have on a regular
basis and sort of really understands how to read the tea leaves on this.
And he says, and I quote him here, one of the clearest signs that Biden is about to say yes to returning to the JCPOA is that Biden officials are
starting to provide details of what is in the renewed deal and why it serves U.S. interests.
He may or may not be right about whether this is a clear sign that the Biden Administration will say, yes. But the point he's making is that we
are beginning to see a Biden Administration selling the details of this deal, which is what effectively, they will need to do, right. I mean,
because they're going to have to get--
ATWOOD: Exactly.
ANDERSON: Everybody on board here. I think that that he is making a really good point isn't he?
ATWOOD: He is and I think the Biden Administration doesn't want the narrative going into a potential deal being that they gave up anything.
They want the narrative to be that Iran was the one that backed off of some of the demands that they had been making.
And the Biden Administration was able to hold strong and make sure that they didn't have to give Iran things that they didn't want to give, that
they didn't think were appropriate to give that weren't part of the actual deal itself.
But there are still questions here, because even if the general contours of a deal are agreed to the mechanics of how they implemented, what it looks
like for the enriched uranium, the highly enriched uranium that Iran has.
Because it has been operating outside the bounds of the deal, where that highly enriched uranium goes, if it's, if it gets destroyed, if it goes to
another place, there are a lot of remaining questions. And administration officials are not yet detailing what agreements may look like on that
front.
ANDERSON: It's good to have you on, it's good to share our sources and keep our viewers bang up to date on what is going on. Thank you very much
indeed. And just to note, Israel's National Security Council Chief is in DC to discuss the JCPOA as we understand it today with his counterpart, Jake
Sullivan.
And I am just being told that we will also hear from the Yair Lipid, the Prime Minister of Israel tomorrow. So watch out for any news on this deal
from the perspective of the Israelis in the next 24 hours, as well.
All right, good news for U.S. tourists, the U.S. Dollar continues to get stronger as other currencies such as the Euro fall back. It's the latest
view on the markets up next, don't go away.
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ANDERSON: Well, the Euro has hit a fresh near two decade low against the U.S. dollar the second time this year, it's gone below that mark of one,
the drop coming off the increase fears of a die European energy crunch.
This winter, the U.S. Federal Reserve also expected to continue raising interest rates to battle inflation. That will also help of course to prop
up the greenback. High interest rates make the dollar more attractive to investors, of course.
So unpack all of this for us is Clare Sebastian joining me on recession fears in Europe. Really have to be, you know, the single driver on these
moves at present, right.
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, so I mean, there's two sides, right, there's the Euro decline, which is number one driven by recession
fears in Europe. And there's the dollar rally, which is you see, there's the risk aversion has come back into the U.S. markets, people are rushing
into the safe haven.
But the Euro recession is the biggest thing that fears there are mounting. I want to show you that I think we have the natural gas futures over the
last year because this is really the most shocking part of it.
And one of the biggest drivers of these recession fears, I don't know if we have the chart. But basically what we've seen is natural gas prices have
come up 10 times in the last year. That's striking enough three times since just before the start of the war.
And perhaps the most striking of all, if you look at the last month, they've almost doubled in the last month. This run up has been
extraordinary, this impact absolutely everything from the profit margins of businesses through to consumers. And there really isn't an end in sight, at
least in the short term.
Russia has promised another maintenance period on the Nord Stream 1 at the end of this month that's raising fears that things could get worse. For gas
supplies, heating starts to get turned on next month.
They're already doing energy rationing. And if the latest comments by the Saudi energy minister, or anything to go by when we see about 2 million
barrels worth a day of Russian oil come off the market in December when the EU embargo comes into force. OPEC will be in no mood to fill the gap.
ANDERSON: Yes, they won't be and the Saudi energy minister has already talked about with recession fears global recession fears towards the back
end of this year, should there be supply cuts at this point?
I think just while you were talking looking at the chart that you had up there, that those gas numbers are really, really interesting on. And what I
think is really interesting, that chart we were showing doesn't quite show the real surge there because if you look at the right hand side viewers are
waking up by sort of 100 and 150.
And then suddenly, you know, we haven't got enough room on the screen there to actually chart that in the increments that we might have done. So that
leap between sort of 200, near 300 looks smaller than it actually is Clare.
I mean, you've made some really, really good points on this. The Fed, of course, is well aware meantime that we may begin to see inflation come down
a little bit. But they've got to get this economy under control.
And they have to get these incredibly high inflation numbers under control. We will hear from the Fed Chairman of course this week, won't we?
SEBASTIAN: Yes. And his challenge is that the markets the S&P 500 have rallied some 15, 17 percent over the last two months. Because people looked
at the latest CPI numbers thought that inflation might be moderating a tiny bit thought that perhaps interest rates, interest rate rises would slow
down. If he's going to do it this would be a good opportunity to reset that expectation.
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SEBASTIAN: There'll be another CPI reading; there'll be another jobs report before the next Fed meeting. If he wants to get the market ready for
another big rate hike, this would be a good opportunity to do that.
Because of course, he's not just got the U.S. public in the markets to talk to, he's got the world to talk to because everyone is affected by a strong
dollar.
ANDERSON: Jackson Hole is where he will be speaking later this week.
SEBASTIAN: Yes.
ANDERSON: Watch out, all eyes on, always good to have you. Thank you very much indeed. Your parting shots tonight, the newest images from the James
Webb Space Telescope are so stunning.
Even scientists they are surprised. They show Jupiter like we have never seen it before with rainbow auroras, giant storms and faint rings all
captured here. Scientists use several images from the state of the art telescope to make this overall composite of our solar system's largest
planet.
One expert says Jupiter is hard to translate into images because of how quickly it rotates. That's it from us. Thank you for joining. CNN continues
after this short break.
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