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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN HOST: Welcome back to the show! I'm Lynda Kinkade filling in for Becky Anderson. Good to have you with us. Ukraine is seeing
another barrage of Russian missiles as more civilians cope with the frigid weather without heat or electricity.
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says dozens of missiles were aimed at power plants that help keep people warm. Officials in Dnipro, Kharkiv and Odessa
say infrastructure in the areas where hit. Another strike in Zaporizhzhia reportedly leaving four people dead well, officials with the United Nations
say the relentless attacks are pushing Ukraine towards a major energy crisis.
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the Ukrainian team will join international investigators at the missile site blast in Poland. Now that
blast on Tuesday killing two people. A Polish security official says all the evidence collected suggests that it was indeed a Ukrainian air defense
missile. Well, more now from CNN Senior International Correspondent Sam Kiley.
SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Death in Poland two farmers killed in a missile strike a spillover from war in
Ukraine but Ukraine's President insisting that his country wasn't responsible.
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: Well, I don't even doubt that report that I have received. The delusion you received from the Air Defense
Command. I don't doubt that it wasn't our missile. I don't have a reason to doubt them. I'm going through this war with them.
KILEY (voice over): In any case, there's no blame on Kyiv from Poland.
ANDRZEJ DUDA, POLISH PRESIDENT: It was probably an accident. Russia attacked Ukraine and Ukraine air defenses shot quite a few Russian missiles
to neutralize the attack. There is a high chance that may be one of the missiles just fell on our territory.
KILEY (voice over): And it could have been much worse a tragedy turned into global catastrophe. Because if Poland civilians had died in a deliberate
Russian missiles strike Poland a member of NATO could have demanded all-out war against the Kremlin.
Those fears are now over as it appears likely that a Ukrainian Air Defense Weapon fired at a Russian missile hit this polish farm six kilometers in
from the border. The West is blaming Russia.
JENS STOLTENBERG, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: Let me be clear. This is not Ukraine's fault. Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its
illegal war against Ukraine.
KILEY (voice over): On Tuesday, Ukrainians injured close to 100 cruise missiles in a storm of attacks on cities and infrastructure. Many Russian
missiles were shot down, but Ukraine's electrical network was still hit with 7 million facing power shortages.
The internet was cut by a third and two people killed in Kyiv. Russia denied that it had launched against targets close to Poland. But the
Ukrainian border town of Lviv local officials said had shut down 10 out of 13 Russian missiles on Tuesday.
YURIY SAK, UKRAINIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY ADVISER: We've been requesting to close our skies for a long time now. And we're talking to our international
partners about this almost on a daily basis, we believe and we almost confident that, you know, the air defense capabilities of Ukraine will
continue to be a top priority both for us and for our international partners.
KILEY (voice over): Ukraine wants to rely a lot less on these and more on these 21st century Western weapons to help it hold off Russia's area of
counter attack while it's recapturing territory on the ground. Heavy hints are coming that the tragedy in Poland may accelerate that process.
LLOYD AUSTIN, U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY: We're going to maintain our momentum throughout the winter so that Ukraine can continue to consolidate gains and
seize the initiative on the battlefield. Our nation's air defense systems are now operational. And they have had 100 percent success rate in
interrupting Russian missiles.
KILEY (voice over): Ukraine stated need for more modern weapons, now tragically proven in a Polish field. Sam Kiley, CNN.
KINKADE: CNN International diplomatic Editor Nic Robertson joins us now from Kyiv as he has been falling all these lines and much more. Nic, good
to have you with us! Let's just first start on where Ukraine stands right now on that tragedy in Poland that left two people dead and of course it's
called for more arms?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes, President Zelenskyy has been speaking again today and added more clarity to his view.
He said there definitely was a Russian missile that was the Russian missile he said that Ukraine air defenses shot at. So and what President Zelenskyy
is saying very clearly is that was a Russian missile in that area close the border we find our air defense system at it.
ROBERTSON: He said the world does not at this moment know all the details. That's what the investigation will reveal. Ukrainian investigators have
joined that investigation with the Polish with U.S. investigators as well. So it does seem as if seem I mean, President Zelenskyy is saying exactly
what everyone else is saying at the moment that there was a Russian missile, his air defense shot at it.
And there was a tragic consequence nearby in Poland. And I think one of the expectations of this investigation would be to try to figure out the
trajectory of the Russian missile, where was it going? What was it targeting how it was intercepted?
These automated air defense systems; they just tried to lock onto the target. Was that Russian missile flying intentionally close to the border
to try to essentially create or precipitate the possibility of this sort of accidental overspill?
It's certainly something the Kremlin at the moment, is trying to portray, at least to its domestic audience, that this is a conspiracy by NATO and by
Ukraine to up the tensions at the moment the investigation, however, and NATO and Ukraine's position on this does seem to be sort of lowering what
was a tense day yesterday?
KINKADE: Exactly. And Nic, talk to us more about the battle, because within Ukraine, Russia continues to lose land, even in places like Kherson, one of
the first cities captured by the Russians and then illegally annexed now back in the hands of the Ukrainians. But despite that Russia is continuing
with its brutal bombardment more missile strikes today.
ROBERTSON: In terms of a military battlefield, further north and further east is where Russia has been concentrating its maximum fire. Ukraine is
making some incremental gains there. They've also lost small pieces of territory to the Russians.
But it's been a seesaw battlefield effect, where mostly it balances out with the incremental gains being most consistently on the Ukrainian side,
but because they're not making gains on the ground there and because they're losing territory in the South.
As we have seen over the past month, Russia is doubling down on trying to cripple Ukrainians resolve, if you will targeting the electricity
infrastructure, according to one of the power generating companies here.
They estimate about an average of 40 percent of the people of Ukraine without electricity at the moment, that's a very serious and significant
number given that the temperatures have just fallen official say because the temperatures are falling, people will be turning to heating devices and
trying to turn those on to stay warm.
And that creates further imbalance in the system. And I think one of the significant things about the dozens of strikes a day that killed four
people in Zaporizhzhia injured 14 in Dnipro, including a 15 year old girl took out vital services in Odessa failed to take out anything that they
targeted in and around Kyiv also managed to target in Kharkiv as well.
The in - one of the interesting changes today worrying trends is that we're hearing from the gas supply company saying that their facilities are being
hit, and that it shows that Russia is now turning its attention towards gas, which is the main heating for the country. The electricity very
crippled right now.
KINKADE: Right. And Nic I want to turn now to the verdict today in the downing of MH17 that Malaysian Airlines Flight. Their Dutch court,
convicted three men take us through those verdicts.
ROBERTSON: Sentenced to life. These three in particular, one Ukraine - pro- Russian Ukrainian separatists and two Russian intelligence officials that were convicted or sentenced to life one other and they had not been - they
were tried in absentia because they refuse to cooperate with the court.
One of the individual who had cooperated with the court wasn't found guilty on those same charges of murder and bringing down an aircraft. He was found
on lesser charges to have been involved with knowledge but didn't perpetrate it.
One of those officials, one of the Russian intelligence officials actually used paperwork and helped get that - missile system from Russian territory
into Ukrainian territory when it fired MH17 on the 17th of July back in 2014.
For the families this justice has been a long time coming according to the judges, and according to Dutch politicians the Prime Minister - is that
this isn't the end of the affair at the moment.
ROBERTSON: It will bring some solace to the families. But there are many who say that if a stronger line had been taken at the time to the killing
of these 298 people, 80 of them children, then Russia wouldn't have invaded a second time around.
So I think it's going to - it's going to add to international efforts to isolate Russia in what it's trying to do here in Ukraine. Those efforts
have obviously been long and ongoing, but this will add to the weight of that.
KINKADE: Exactly. The next question is whether we will see anyone else held accountable for the murder of those people? Good to have you with us, Nic
Robertson, staying across it all for us from Kyiv, Ukraine. Thanks very much.
Well, she is one of the most powerful women in American politics and now Washington is waiting to hear what lies ahead for Nancy Pelosi? The
prominent Democrat is set to make an announcement about her political future next hour. She will relinquish her position as House Speaker when
the Republican Party takes control of the House in January.
CNN projects that Republicans now have won the 218 seats needed a razor thin majority and fall short of the predicted red wave. And as Republicans
look to the future, they also must deal with the distraction of Donald Trump's third presidential bid for an election that is two years away.
CNN's Jeff Zeleny reports from Washington.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Republicans winning control of the House after a midterm election that will
change the balance of power in Washington. But far less change than they envisioned with turmoil inside the GOP dampening the party's mood and
complicating its future.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): I'm not going anywhere.
ZELENY (voice over): Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is surviving a threat from Florida Senator Rick Scott, with 37 Republicans voting to keep
McConnell at the helm and 10 voting for Scott amid deep infighting over the GOP's failure to win a Senate Majority. At the center of broader
recriminations among Republicans is Former President Donald Trump.
DONALD TRUMP, 45TH U.S. PRESIDENT: Much criticism is being placed on the fact that the Republican Party should have done better and frankly, much of
this blame is correct.
ZELENY (voice over): Who took no responsibility for midterm election losses as he pulled the trigger on another bid from the White House?
TRUMP: I have no doubt that by 2024 it will sadly be much worse, and they will see much more clearly what happened and what is happening to our
country, and the voting will be much different.
ZELENY (voice over): His Mar-a-Lago announcement is being met by a collective groan from a broad swath of the Republican Party, including many
who served in his administration. Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo who's considering a presidential run of his own saying we need more
seriousness less noise and leaders who are looking forward not staring in the rearview mirror claiming victimhood. Those stinging comment a clear
reference to this moment Tuesday night.
TRUMP: We must conduct a top to bottom overhaul to clean out the festering rot and corruption of Washington D.C. And I'm a victim I will tell you, I'm
ZELENY (voice over): While Trump enters the race is a clear front runner beloved by a loyal base of supporters. He is unlikely to have the field to
himself. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who swept reelection by nearly 20 points, drew applause today saying the 2024 campaign can wait.
GOV. RON DESANTIS (R-FL): We just finished this election. OK, people just need to chill out a little bit on some of this stuff. I mean, seriously, we
just ran an election.
ZELENY (voice over): Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper who served under Trump told CNN the party should look forward.
MARK ESPER, FORMER U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY UNDER TRUMP: A new generation of Republican leaders who maybe are more in line with what I consider myself a
Reagan Republican who can do so without the baggage and the personal attacks and the self-centeredness of Donald Trump.
ZELENY (voice over): And Former Vice President Mike Pence, who's also weighing a presidential run, said the country should not turn back to
MIKE PENCE, FORMER U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: I think we'll have better choices in the future.
ZELENY (voice over): Tonight, McConnell said Republican candidates turned off moderates and independent voters in the last election. For the next one
he said Trump left company in the Republican race.
MCCONNELL: The way I'm going to go into this presidential primary season is to stay out of it. I don't have a dog in that fight.
ZELENY (on camera): After his election, Senator McConnell talked about the prospect of divided power in Washington, talking about how the House would
be controlled by Republicans the Senate narrowly by Democrats? He said he really thought it would be an opportunity to work with the White House and
work on behalf of the American people.
Of course, we will see how much bipartisan unity there actually is? But as for McConnell, starting next year in the next Congress, he will be the
longest serving Senate Party Leader in U.S. history 15 years, but the Republican Party has changed dramatically under his watch Jeff Zeleny CNN,
KINKADE: Right now Washington is waiting to hear what lies ahead for Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House? CNN's Jessica Dean is following all the
developments and joins us live from Capitol Hill. Good to see you, Jessica! So we are expected to hear from Nancy Pelosi next hour. What are her
options and what are we expected to hear?
JESSICA DEAN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, that is the million dollar question, Lynda, we're trying to figure out and it's pretty much
just going to be wait and see until she speaks to know exactly what her plans will be?
Of course, Republicans will assume power in the House when the new Congress takes over, which means the Democrats will no longer have that position as
Speaker of the House. She could remain in leadership, she could remain a member and retire from leadership or she could retire altogether. Those are
some of the options.
What we do know is that a source told CNN, that she went home with two versions of her speech last night, that's how up in the air it is? How a
kind of between different options she might be? And certainly she is a key figure in House history, as she is the first and only Female Speaker of the
House serving now twice.
And really is just a mammoth politician here in America, certainly in the House, but also across the spectrum of American politics, of course,
proving to be quite the foil for Former President Donald Trump when he was in office and then quite the ally for President Joe Biden shepherding a lot
of his legislation through the House here when she was working with a very, very narrow, Democratic majority.
KINKADE: It is interesting Jessica as you say that she has two versions of the speech ready to go.
KINKADE: Still weighing her options. We did hear her speak to one of our colleagues, Anderson Cooper, after the attack on her husband, Paul Pelosi.
And she said that is weighing on her decision. What do we know about his health right now, Paul Pelosi?
DEAN: Right. Well, we know he's recovering after that horrific attack in their home in San Francisco. And she spoke to Anderson Cooper about finding
out about how she found out about that happening on the Capitol Police were banging on her door? How affecting that was as anyone can imagine it would
And that it no doubt is weighing on her as she tries to figure out how she wants to move forward? Again, how that will impact her and what her
ultimate decision will be? We're just going to have to wait and see.
You know, there has been much speculation about this in the lead up to the midterms. It really reached a fever pitch among Democratic circles last
night. And of course, you know, remember House leadership currently, including Speaker Pelosi, a lot of them are in their 80s.
And at this point, there's a lot of next generation House Democrats that would like to step into those shoes, and kind of be the more forward
looking younger leadership. So a lot of people going to be impacted by this and again, so many waiting to hear what she'll say later this afternoon.
KINKADE: Yes. I want to ask you about that. Because as you say, Nancy Pelosi 82-years-old now. So it won't really be too big a surprise if she
does completely retire and step down from politics, even though U.S. President Biden apparently wants her to stick around and continue to help
out. But talk to us about this generational change and who might be coming through the ranks in you know, following in her footsteps, some would say
DEAN: Right. So there are younger generation leaders within the Democratic Party people like Hakeem Jeffries, who a lot of people have eyes on. I
spoke with the Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn earlier today as they were coming out of a meeting, and he had very, very kind things to say about
But Clyburn himself is in his 80s. So a lot of these men and women are much older and so the question remains, will they all step aside? Well, some of
the older members stay in leadership positions? How will this work out? That's some of the stuff that we'll be keeping our eye on, and that will
develop over the next several weeks.
KINKADE: All right, we will check in with you again throughout the day. Jessica Dean, good to have you with us thank you! Still ahead, North Korea
launches another missile and a new warning. We're going to go live to the Korean Peninsula for the details.
KINKADE: Welcome back! CNN has obtained exclusive images showing the damage and debris from Tuesday's drone attack against an oil tanker off the coast
of Oman. The two images provided by a Western Defense Official show a hole in what appears to be the hull of an Israeli affiliated Pacific. And what
also appears to be the crushed remains of a drone next to evidence markers?
CNN cannot independently verify the authenticity of the photos. On Wednesday, American and Israeli officials pointed the finger of blame at
Iran. CNN's Hadas Gold is live for us from Jerusalem. Good to have you with us Hadas! Just take us through those images and what that damage tells us
about this attack?
HADAS GOLD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, these exclusive images show both the damage and what likely what caused the damage? We see that rather big hole
in the hole of the ship and then the crushed remains of what appears to be a drone?
Now officials have previously told me that they believe that what attacked this tanker 150 miles off the coast of Oman was an Iranian made Shahid 136
drone. And they see these same drones being used the same Iranian made drones being used by Russia in Ukraine.
So I'm sure a lot of people are looking at these images looking at that those 229 numbers that you can see in that image of that crushed drone and
comparing it to some of the drones that have been used in Russia. Now this oil tanker was attacked on Tuesday evening. Its Liberian flagged owned by a
Singapore company, but does ultimately have Israeli affiliation with its ultimate owner.
However, when I spoke with an Israeli official, they didn't think that this was an attack on this oil tanker specifically because it is an Israeli
affiliated ship. Instead, they saw it as a provocation. They said by Iran in the Gulf trying to destabilize stability, and specifically actually
connecting it to the World Cup which is expected to start within the next couple of days.
We are also hearing from American officials from the White House who are also pointing the finger at Iran saying that it fits the pattern, as there
have been several attacks that had been blamed on Iran on oil tankers at sea by these drones.
And actually, the White House U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said that they condemned the attack in the strongest possible terms. And he
added that there's no justification for this attack, saying that it's a pattern that are abroad or destabilizing activities. But so far, we have
not heard any direct reaction from the Iranians to these accusations Lynda.
KINKADE: Certainly is the key question just who is responsible? Is there any sort of investigation underway now that we are getting access to some
of those images of damage?
GOLD: Well, there's been as we can see from these images, it looks like evidence markers have been placed next to them. There clearly are
investigations going on of some sort. We do know that both the American and Israeli officials seem to be pretty conclusive that they are pointing the
finger at Iran, especially when you're looking at the images of the drone.
I'm sure they're taking - officials are taking the drone apart and taking a look at it. We know that a British ship was made itself available to the
tanker in case it needed help that ultimately was not needed. The company that owns the ships said that although there was damage to the hole, there
were no injuries and there was no damage or spillage to its cargo.
Keep in mind that in July, there was an attack on the Mercer cargo ship that actually resulted in the deaths of two crew members. So thankfully,
there were no injuries in this case. But it's pretty clear from officials that we've been speaking to the Americans and the Israelis that they're
pretty clear about who they think is behind this and they think that is all have to do with destabilizing the region Lynda.
KINKADE: All right, Hadas Gold for us in Jerusalem thanks very much! Well, North Korea is warning of a fiercer military response so the Washington's
defense ties with South Korea and Japan.
KINKADE: This comes as Pyongyang fired a short range ballistic missile earlier landing in the waters of the Korean Peninsula. That's according to
South Korea's military. By CNN's countless marks the 33rd day this year that North Korea has carried out a missile test.
Well, I want to go live to South Korea and CNN's Paula Hancocks. She joins us now from Seoul. Good to see you, Paula! So North Korea is certainly
making another threat in regards to the U.S.'s support for its allies in the region as it fires off yet another missile?
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Lynda. Yes. The missile itself, as you say, was a short range missile where it fell into the waters
just off the east coast, but it still does violate the UN Security Council resolutions by using that ballistic technology that's banned to it.
And as you say, there was a statement that went along with it. In fact, just hours before they launched that missile, the Foreign Minister - he
gave a statement through state run media. We haven't heard from her very much in recent months. And what she said was effectively, she warned the
United States of a fiercer military counteraction.
It was the first official response that we've seen from Pyongyang, to that trilateral meeting that we saw between the leaders of the U.S., South Korea
and Japan where all three of them strongly condemned the missile tests that we've seen this year from North Korea.
And it was also after President Biden had said that he reinforced - that he was reinforcing the extended deterrence to Japan and to South Korea so this
was really Pyongyang's response to that tray also accusing the United States of gambling, which it will regret.
Now, you mentioned there, this is day 33 and this year of that we have actually seen a missile test from North Korea. It is unprecedented. And it
is once again Pyongyang breaking its own records. We've heard from Pyongyang that the reason they're doing this with such insistency and
quantity this year is because of the joint military drills that we're seeing from the U.S. and South Korea.
There was in fact another one just this morning this Thursday morning. But from the allies - the U.S. and South Korean point of view this they say
that the reason they're carrying out these military drills quite so vocally and quite so publicly is to send a message back to North Korea for these
missile tests Lynda?
KINKADE: Yes, the 33rd day this year that North Korea has tested a missile. In terms of the response in the region have we heard anything from China?
HANCOCKS: Well, as you know, there's been such a diplomatic flurry of meetings in recent days. There have been a few opportunities to hear what
Chinese Leader Xi Jinping thinks? He met with Yoon Suk-Yeol of South Korea, President Yoon did ask him to be more active and play a constructive role
when it comes to dealing with North Korea.
And she did say that he would be willing to support South Korea and its pledge to North Korea to give aid in return for denuclearization. This
audacious plan President Yoon has talked about if Pyongyang does agree to it, though, of course, it's a very big if because Pyongyang's not answering
anything at the moment and is not responding to any outreach from either the U.S. or South Korea.
So certainly it's probably not going to happen anytime soon. And we also heard from President Biden when he spoke to Xi Jinping, he had also asked
that the Beijing has a responsibility to try and sway Kim Jong-Un not to carry out this expected or anticipated seventh underground nuclear test.
But President Biden also did point out that he wasn't sure and can't be certain if he can, in fact, control North Korea. So whether Beijing has the
sway over Pyongyang that we think it may Lynda.
KINKADE: All right, Paula Hancocks for us in Seoul, South Korea. Thanks so much. Well, still ahead a bit of welcome news for Uganda as the East
African country tries to contain the outbreak of the Ebola virus. We'll have a live report ahead.
KINKADE: Welcome back! I'm Lynda Kinkade. You're watching "Connect the World". We have some welcome news from the World Health Organization. It
has begun to tries to contain an outbreak of the Ebola virus. The W.H.O. says the first two doses of three new trial vaccines should arrive in
Uganda next week.
Ugandan authorities say you will be given to about 3000 people have come into contact with Ebola patients. At least 55 people have died since the
outbreak started in September. CNN's Larry Madowo joins us now from Nairobi, Kenya. Good to have you with us, Larry. So what more can you tell
us about this trial and how effective they are at this point in time?
LARRY MADOWO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lynda, the Ugandan Health Minister tells me that they will be targeting what is called ring vaccination essentially,
people who came into contact with Ebola patients and when they have reviewed the data from this first phase, they will expand it.
I went to move into districts of the central region of Uganda where the outbreak was first reported back in September. I also spent some time in
Kampala where the outbreak has now spread because some people essentially escaped from quarantine facilities and went away from this region even
though right now it is under lockdown.
People cannot move in or out of these two districts - which is where the worst of this outbreak has been seen. And the reality is it's been
devastating for some families watch.
MADOWO (voice over): Joseph Singiringabo is raising his three grandkids alone at 78. Ebola swept through his family claiming the lives of his wife,
son and his newborn granddaughter in a few short weeks. They're picking up the pieces after the children's mother fled from the disease. While Joseph
was in mandatory 21 day quarantine, he says his only assets were stolen his livestock.
JOSEPH SINGIRINGABO, MUBENDE RESIDENT: The problems I'm facing is getting food for me and my grandchildren. Secondly, I never went to school, but I
want them to get an education.
MADOWO (on camera): Did you ever imagine you will be left taking care of your young grandchildren alone?
SINGIRINGABO: I knew that at any time out today, and their father will take care of them.
MADOWO (on camera): Uganda declared its first Ebola outbreak in a decade here in the Central District of Mubende in late September. Cases soon
spread to a neighboring district and the government has since restricted movement in and out of them.
Ebola treatment units like this one were quickly set up to treat positive cases and to quarantine anyone they had come into contact with. This is a
reality of what it means when Ebola breaks out in your community. That is a three month old baby that's a suspected Ebola case.
The mother is down with Ebola and so it's one of the siblings and she already lost her dad to the virus. Sometimes when it rains, it pours. 60
Ugandan districts now have Ebola cases including the Capital Kampala, though the rate of new infections appears to have slowed down doctors say
not all the sacred turning up.
DR. JACKSON AMONE, EBOLA CASE MANAGEMENT LEAD IN MUBENDE: Some of the patient they're still hiding. And some of them they don't know that they
have Ebola, so they're in the community there. It is very easy for one case to have a very big multiplier effect. So we are not yet confident whether
the number is going down?
MADOWO (voice over): The Sudan Ebola virus strain now circulating in Uganda has no approved vaccine but the country is launching three trial vaccines
with contact of confirmed cases.
DR. JANE RUTH ACENG OCERO, UGANDAN HEALTH MINISTER: This trial of vaccines has been tested for safety. So our further testing is about efficacy, and
how long it protects? We want to see if within 29 days, the contacts can quickly generate antibodies and can protect themselves.
MADOWO (voice over): Armed police watch over Ebola treatment units to block people from sneaking back into the community. Ugandan authorities say myths
and misconceptions tied to culture or religion are holding back progress in containing the outbreak.
YOWERI MUSEVENI, UGANDAN PRESIDENT: Old traditional healers and witch doctors are prohibited from carrying out their activities during this Ebola
OCERO: The number of probable cases.
MADOWO (voice over): Uganda's Health Minister told CNN she expects to have the Ebola outbreak under control by April If citizens follow government
MADOWO (on camera): Do you feel the international community doesn't give Uganda enough credit for your experience in dealing with previous Ebola
outbreaks and therefore having this under control?
OCERO: This is our eighth Ebola outbreak. Every time we get an outbreak, our experience increases. What we need is to be supported to end this
epidemic as quickly as possible.
MADOWO (voice over): Uganda is closing the school year early and sending kid's home to avoid spreading Ebola among them, as vigilance becomes common
MADOWO: Uganda says it is not likely to export Ebola cases outside of the country because people will come into contact with patients are blocked
from leaving the country. So the international community should not fear but also your sense that the Health Minister isn't happy that the country
doesn't get enough credit for how well it is managing this pandemic.
They think - they think the cases are stabilizing. The only problem appears to be well one of two things. One is that some people are not seeking
medical treatment. They're going to traditional healers, or witch doctors. That's why President Museveni says they can't stay clients and others are
just not showing up. So if they had everybody show up and the community cooperates, they think they will have this whole situation under control
Lynda by April,
KINKADE: That is some good news Larry Madowo for us good to have you on the story thanks very much! Well, in the last few hours, John Ray, the lawyer
who managed the Enron bankruptcy says he's never seen such a "Complete failure of corporate controls as FTX".
Ray took over this as CEO of the Crypto Exchange FTX after founders Sam Bankman-Fried stepped down last week. And the big question once again being
asked about the future of crypto regulation and the need for guardrails and greater consumer protection, the turmoil is also providing plenty of
ammunition for those who remain skeptical about crypto blockchain and all forms of underlying technology. Here's Paul Krugman speaking to our Julia
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PAUL KRUGMAN, ECONOMIST: I think a lot of - a lot more regulation is coming up whether, you know if the whole enterprise makes no sense, it may not end
up being highly regulated it may end up just disappearing. But at least for the time being yes, I mean, there should have been a lot more safeguards
against what appears to be going on.
JULIA CHATTERLEY, CNN ANCHOR: Well, this is going to drive the crypto community wild pull probability that all goes to zero, that it all
disappears. You raised it there.
KRUGMAN: I mean, where is it? Yes. I mean, what's it - the question has always been what problem does crypto solve? And we still haven't gotten an
answer to that. And we've discovered a lot of problems that creates but none that it solves.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KINKADE: Well, let's bring in CNN Correspondent Marc Stewart. He joins us live from New York. Good to see you, Marc! So one pretty bad assessment
after another and just explain the situation right now?
MARC STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Lynda. It's good to see you as well. Look, John Ray, who is now taking over this FTX exchange, really is going
to have to be on a forensics mission of sorts of fiscal financial or fiscal forensics expedition, if you will, to try to figure out exactly what went
It's clear that the numbers just didn't add up. And in his early exploration as this appointed CEO now, he has discovered that there are
financial statements that perhaps should have been there that were not if that's at least what he is concluding so far, there wasn't proper auditing.
There weren't even board meetings and that there was perhaps this general lack of corporate governance that would prevent something like this from
happening. And basically, this is essentially people investing in putting their money, if you will, in a bank. We're talking about crypto here.
But basically, when people were looking at their ledgers, the numbers seem to be there, they felt their investments were fine, but in reality, that
was not the case. And so we have this big mess here. So obviously, John Ray is going to be on a mission.
But this is something that's also going to extend into Washington as well. We have heard a lot of outspoken comments from lawmakers for example
Elizabeth Warren and Dick Durbin leading Democrats.
STEWART: They've expressed concerns about greed and deception among this case, because crypto while new may not necessarily be keeping up with the
regulations. The regulator - it's so new that regulators may not necessarily have the safeguards in place to prevent something like this
And that is why there's a call from Washington to really start to tighten things up. We know that next month, there will be a hearing, led by both
Democrats and Republicans looking into this and perhaps some greater discussion about regulation of crypto.
But, Lynda, to simply say, this is a big mess. And that is what certainly the government is going to look into. But in the case of John Ray as this
new CEO in the interim, he's got a very big task on his hands. This is a puzzle that's just got so many different pieces to it.
KINKADE: Yes, he really does. I mean, a mess really is an understatement, isn't it? And the ramifications of this are much greater because this
company had major sports sponsorships, as well with the likes of Formula One and Major League Baseball.
STEWART: Right. There are so many different players. And this really has been reverberating across many different financial channels. I mean, there
are other coins, other traders that are involved with crypto that are feeling the sting from this. So it is widespread, and we may not know just
how widespread for perhaps months, even years to come.
KINKADE: All right. Marc Stewart for us in New York good to have you with us thanks so much!
STEWART: Thanks, Lynda.
KINKADE: Well, up next, we are just days away from the start of the World Cup in Qatar. But controversy about the host country's human rights record
is threatening to overshadow the matches. And time is of the essence for Twitter employees to decide if they can keep up with Elon Musk's towering
demands. We'll have the state of play with our senior media reporter coming up.
KINKADE: French President Emmanuel Macron says the eve of the World Cup is not the time to criticize Qatar over its human rights record. Mr. Macron
says sports should not be politicized. And the moment for asking questions about a host countries when a bid is being awarded, not at the last minute
when the focus should instead be on the athletes and the competition which starts on Sunday.
President Macron's comments come as criticism of Qatar heats up as Isa Soares reports the question is why is Qatar hosting a World Cup which has
been asked for a long time?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we know to organize the 2022 FIFA World Cup is Qatar?
ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The sport world was stunned when FIFA awarded the World Cup to Qatar. Controversy took center stage and
football risk becoming a sideshow.
SOARES (voice over): Why was Qatar a tiny desert state with no football pedigree chosen to host FIFA's showpiece event? Even the disgraced Former
Chief of football's governing body has since described the decision as a mistake.
SEPP BLATTER, FORMER FIFA PRESIDENT: I was right at a certain time to say it is the show not for them.
SOARES (voice over): That move 12 years ago provoked unprecedented anger, accusations of corruption and sports washing. Qatari officials strongly
denied the allegation that bribery was involved in their bid.
Before a ball is kicked at this year's tournament attention has focused on Qatar's human rights record, its stance on same sex relationship, and most
damaging to its reputation, the treatment of overseas workers drafted in to build essential infrastructure.
Amnesty International claims authorities fail to properly investigate the deaths of thousands of migrant workers despite evidence linking premature
deaths with unsafe working conditions in the searing heat. Qatari officials say they investigate all reports of abuse and exploitation and are
committed to holding unscrupulous employers to account.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How important is it to keep traditions like this?
SOARES (voice over): Ambassadors like David Beckham had been criticized for accepting roll set to be worth millions of dollars.
DAVID BECKHAM, OTHER AMBASSADORS, CHIDED OVER HIGH-PROFILE ROLES: If you end your relationship with Qatar, I'll donate this 10 grand of my own
SOARES (voice over): Comedian Joe called out the Former England Captain saying his status as a gay icon was under threat. Homosexual acts are
illegal in Qatar, considered immoral under Islamic law. Punishments include prison sentences and even death.
Organizers told CNN, Qatar is a tolerant and welcoming country and claim no one will be discriminated against. Nonetheless, calls to boycott the
tournament have gathered momentum. When the final whistle goes at Qatar 2022 the legacy will be judged not only over 28 days of football, but in
the years the lie ahead, Isa Soares CNN.
KINKADE: Well, more demonstrations in Iran marking the third anniversary of protests that left hundreds of people dead. Police warn this demonstration
in a Tehran subway station. Well meanwhile state media reporting that protesters set fire to a seminary in the town of Isaiah on Wednesday.
Five people were shot and killed there at about the same time. There's also word of people firing back police. Well, still to come Elon Musk is already
making hard and fast decisions at Twitter what we'll use all or nothing brand of leadership mean for the future of the company?
KINKADE: Welcome back! The clock is ticking for Twitter employees to commit to extremely hard call work or else leave the company. In the late night
email by new owner Elon Musk he gave staff until the end of the workday today to make their decision.
KINKADE: In the memo titled "A fork in the road" the billionaire said "Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade. Those who do not
commit will be given a three months' severance package". Well, as disorientating as this may be for those working at Twitter. We have seen
this intensity from Musk before. CNN's Clare Sebastian takes a closer look at his style of leadership and how it may impact the future of Twitter?
ELON MUSK, CEO, TWITTER: I mean I'm really working at the absolute most amounts that I can work from morning till night, seven days a week.
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Speaking from a room which he said had lost power, Elon Musk detailing the impact of his new power as
Twitter's owner and CEO.
MUSK: I have too much work on my plate that is for sure.
SEBASTIAN (voice over): Touting his personal work ethic then telling staff at Twitter in a memo shortly after they need to commit to "Extremely hard
core work or leave" fits a pattern for Musk.
MUSK: Last time I actually slept literally on the floor because the couch is too narrow.
SEBASTIAN (voice over): In 2018 he told CBS News, he had been sleeping in his California factory while trying to fix production problems.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is pushing people to a limit beyond what most of us would consider fair if you look Basket, Tesla and SpaceX. What he is asking
people to accomplish under tight deadlines is something we don't even know technically possible.
SEBASTIAN (voice over): To say Musk is a culture shock for Twitter's staff, the half of them that he did not fire would be an understatement having
mandated 40 hours a week in the office for Tesla staff this June.
He has now canceled much of Twitter's work from home policy, which just eight months ago allowed employees to work from home forever if they
wanted. Musk seems to thrive on disruption, promising to "Do a lot of dumb things at Twitter in the first few months". And some would argue already
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Its mania missed with chaos. It's just - it's hard to imagine where it goes from here.
SEBASTIAN (voice over): Others argue Twitter a company that took 12 years to turn an annual profit might benefit from Musk's brand of
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to remember that Musk comes from a culture of SpaceX where he built in the culture there that is acceptable for our $100
million rocket to explode and you can move on and build another one the next day. If you come from that kind of environment messing up a checkmark
on Twitter is honestly not as big a deal I think from their eyes.
MUSK: It's very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport.
SEBASTIAN (voice over): Beyond the chaos Musk is a leader known for his desire to change the world and for having some success doing it.
MUSK: Well, I think it's very important for there to be an inclusive arena for free speech.
SEBASTIAN (voice over): His vision for Twitter, a company he tried to back out of buying may prove his most divisive yet Clare Sebastian, CNN, London.
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KINKADE: I'm joined now by CNN Senior Media Reporter Oliver Darcy to walk us through this. So Elon Musk virtually issuing an ultimatum commit to this
extremely hardcore work or leave where we see more people at Twitter heading for the exit.
OLIVER DARCY, CNN SENIOR MEDIA REPORTER: I think most certainly I've been talking to a couple people at Twitter today and some former employees. And
it seems like almost everyone I'm talking to plans on taking these three months of severance pay and just getting out of there. And they list a
number of reasons.
But one being the toxic work environment that they think Elon Musk has introduced to Twitter, they were very proud of the work environment that
had been fostered over the years before. And now they think that Elon Musk has come in broken a lot of stuff laid off staff hasn't been communicative.
And they just really want no part of this company. At least these are the people that I'm talking to. So it'll be interesting to see, you know, given
that he did lay off half the staff recently. And given that a not insignificant amount of people seem to be ready to head for the door.
How many people are going to be at Twitter by the end of the week? And will the company just be able to support basic functions given that they have
lost so much talent in the past month?
KINKADE: I mean, that is the big question, right? Who is going to replace some of those key figures? I haven't heard Elon Musk suggesting he's going
to go on some sort of hiring drive.
DARCY: Yes. And he's even saying now that he expects someone else at some point to take over for Twitter. So we'll see what happens. But you know,
when you're asking people to work, what he describes as you know, extremely hardcore, and you're seemingly not providing any paid bumps, you're making
them come to the office, they were working, like you said, a lot of them were working remotely before and had that opportunity to do so.
It's hard to imagine why you would want to stay at that company. So I think he's in an interesting bind. And it's also hard to find Imagine how he'd
attract new people with these lack of incentives to come work for him?
KINKADE: I mean if anything - there are certainly - incentives and interesting like seeing that piece that Clare Sebastian put together
showing him proud of sleeping at work in a factory to fix an issue. Is he out of touch with reality?
DARCY: And he's - I think sleeping now at the office and Twitter. And you know, you saw one of the other people an executive, she tweeted a photo
where she slept at the office and it didn't - wasn't really well received.
I think that post pandemic and post pandemic America, it's really hard to get people on board with some of these work culture. I mean, before the
pandemic, sleeping at the office, I think would have been overboard for most people.
But now where companies are so much more flexible on where you can work your hours of work. You've seen people quiet quitting, you know, the idea
that you would devote your entire being to work just seems a bit out of touch.
KINKADE: OK exactly. Oliver Darcy, good to have you with us thanks so much!
DARCY: Thank you.
KINKADE: And thanks for joining us that was "Connect the World". I'm Lynda Kinkade. Stick around "One World" with Zane Asher after this break.