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ELENI GIOKOS, CNN HOST, CONNECT THE WORLD: This is the scene in Washington, D.C., where President Donald Trump is preparing for his first trip since
taking office, visiting two cities hit by disasters. It is 09:00 p.m. there -- and it is 09:00 a.m. there at 06:00 p.m. here in Abu Dhabi. I'm Eleni
Giokos. This is "Connect the World".
Also coming up, President Trump's immigration clamped down takes effects as raids begin and the first deportation flights take off. Meanwhile, tariffs
still on the table after Mr. Trump's speech to global leaders at Davos. More hostages expected to be turned over to Israel as the Gaza ceasefire
approaches the one-week mark.
Stock markets in New York will open in around 30 minutes. Let's check in to see how those futures are doing. And we're seeing pretty much a red star to
the day. So, all the indices, as you can see, a little bit lower. Big news about potential tariffs that could hit the global economy, a lot of
deregulations in the United States.
And of course, markets responding to all that news coming through from Davos. And of course, what the president had to say about his economic
plans. We'll check in on the New York Stock Exchange at around 30 minutes. Now, four days after his inauguration, U.S. President Donald Trump is
traveling to hard hit disaster areas. He's set to head out this hour. The president first goes to North Carolina.
Parts of that state are still feeling the impact from Hurricane Helene in September. And then he'll fly to Southern California, which is coping with
yet more raging wildfires. In an interview with Fox News Wednesday, Mr. Trump made unfounded accusations that FEMA, the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, botched the disaster response in North Carolina, and blamed Democrats for it.
He also criticized the California Governor's response to the fires there, and threatened to withhold federal aid.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I'm going to put a statement out today. I think maybe it's already written. I said I don't
think we should give California anything until they let water flow down into there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just from the north to the south?
TRUMP: It is a political thing.
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GIOKOS: And we're waiting to see if the president speaks to reporters before leaving for North Carolina. We've got Alayna Treene joining us now
with an update. Alayna, what do we know about this trip? What he's planning to do? This is the first trip out of Washington.
ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: That's exactly right, and first he is heading to North Carolina. He's going directly to Asheville, as you
mentioned, a city that is still reeling after Hurricane Helene in the fall ravaged that city with immense flooding, and then later today, he's going
to visit Los Angeles and tour some of the areas impacted by those deadly wildfires.
Now look, this is something Donald Trump has talked about wanting to do for several weeks now, and as you mentioned, a key question is, what he could
do as president to change how FEMA operates in the recovery efforts in sending money as you played there with some of that sound from his
interview on Fox News.
He said that he believes that potentially, maybe FEMA needs to be cut out from the process of delivering that aid to the different states. Donald
Trump has floated potentially having that aid be given directly from the federal government to the states not handled by FEMA.
So, we'll see if he makes one of those types of announcements today, if he announces any sort of restructuring of how FEMA works. I also want to note
that Donald Trump, still just a couple days now into his presidency, has not yet named his new FEMA Administrator.
Now you mentioned that Donald Trump is going to be departing from the White House shortly. I can actually hear Marine One on the helicopter on the
South Lawn right now. We have reporters standing by to see whether or not he stops and takes questions from them. But one thing I just want to point
out here as well is the politics around this.
Donald Trump has been very critical in condemning. Officials on the ground, both in North Carolina and California about how they have handled these
different disasters and the recovery efforts. Particularly just going back to some of the comments he has made about California Governor Gavin Newsom,
he has called him a derogatory term.
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He has said that he has not handled this correctly. You mentioned that he has falsely claimed that they are not allowing water to flow from the
northern part of the state to the southern part of the state. Again, that is a false claim. That is not how California gets its water. But one thing
that I'm going to be watching for when he visits these states, is whether or not this does become political.
If we hear him continuing to criticize these different officials for how they handled this. Another thing to keep in mind as well is that it's still
unclear if Donald Trump is actually going to be meeting with the Governor of California while there. We did hear Gavin Newsom say yesterday that he
plans to greet Donald Trump and Air Force One on the tarmac. We'll still see if maybe there's a potential meeting that happens there later today,
Eleni.
GIOKOS: All right. Alayna Treene thank you so much for keeping us up to date. Of course, we'll be monitoring President Trump's movements as he hits
North Carolina today, as well as California. Now to breaking news, and we're getting word that U.S. President Donald Trump's long promised mass
deportation plan is kicking into gear as immigrant communities face fear and uncertainty.
Now a short time ago, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt announced that deportation flights have now begun and released these images
on X of dozens of migrants boarding U.S. military aircraft bound for Guatemala. And a race is also happening in so called sanctuary cities like
Newark, New Jersey and Boston, Massachusetts. CNN's Priscilla Alvarez has more on this from Washington,
PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The White House announcing on Friday that the use of military aircraft for deportations have begun posting a
photo of one of those flights. Now Homeland Security Official telling me that this happened in the El Paso area.
Of course, earlier in the week, the Pentagon had announced that it would send military aircraft both to El Paso and also to San Diego. Now this
flight included some 75 to 80 migrants from Guatemala. These were recent border crossers. Therefore, they were already in border patrol custody.
And as an example of the way that the administration is trying to use the U.S. military along the southern border. Now, of course, in addition to the
announcement over the military aircraft this week, depending on also saying they would send more troops along the border, their mission is to help, for
example, with operational readiness as well as intelligence and air operation augmentation.
But all of this taken together an example of how the president, after signing an executive order declaring a national emergency on the U.S. 11
border, is trying to use Pentagon resources, more of them, to clamp down on the border and to send a message. In this case that coming through in a
photo posted by the White House Press Secretary of these migrants boarding a pentagon flight. Back to you.
GIOKOS: All right. Priscilla Alvarez there for us. And on Thursday, President Trump spoke to Titans of Business, politics and finance in Davos,
Switzerland. And he had the rapt attention of the global audience at the World Economic Forum, and he made it crystal clear that he intends to make
his America first agenda a reality. CNN's Richard Quest brings us the most telling moments from that speech.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN ANCHOR, QUEST MEANS BUSINESS: This was classic Donald Trump. It was a -- of policies and wishes and possibilities, many of which
will never actually come to fruition, but buried in the at least dozen topics that he raised, there were some major policy announcements.
For instance, he said he was going to ask NATO members to increase the amount that they spend from 2 percent of GDP to more than doubling it to 5
percent. He'd mentioned this several times during the campaign, but today was the first time he'd said he was actually going to do it.
Then he said he was going to ask the Saudis to increase the amount that they'd said they would invest in the United States from $500 or $600
billion to more than a trillion dollars. And at the same time, he was going to insist, he said, that Saudi and OPEC lower oil prices, which would in
turn allow for lower interest rates, conveniently not mentioning that he doesn't really have the power to unilaterally lower interest rates.
Perhaps for the European audience, watching carefully, the biggest threat came on tariffs. Donald Trump warned the world's business that if you
manufacture in the United States, well, you would not only benefit from a lower corporate tax rate, you wouldn't be penalized with tariffs.
But if you chose to not manufacture in the U.S., which, as he said, is your prerogative, then there would be a variety of tariffs at different scales
which would be imposed.
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The world's leaders and now the world's business is in no doubt that this transactional president means business. No one can say they haven't been
warned. Richard Quest, CNN Davos.
GIOKOS: Ahead on "Connect the World", a toddler is buried live in the rubble of Gaza, but survives. His family wasn't that lucky. Our report on
the victims who didn't get to see the ceasefire deal take effect. More on this after the break.
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GIOKOS: Families are anxiously awaiting the release of more hostages held by Hamas. We're expecting the names of four hostages due to be freed on
Saturday. It is part of the first phase of the Gaza ceasefire deal. Sources tell CNN, Hamas is also expected to disclose which of the remaining
hostages are still alive.
This comes as Donald Trump says the ceasefire, in his words, should hold. That's a turnaround from what we had heard from him earlier this week. The
new U.S. President is also warning of what he calls a lot of problems if the deal falls apart. As the ceasefire continues to hold, the people of
Gaza are returning home to devastation.
A three-year-old boy was pulled alive from the rubble of an air strike hours after the ceasefire deal was announced, others didn't make it out
alive. CNN's Jeremy Diamond looks at Gaza's last victims before the deal took effect. Some of the images that you're about to see are disturbing.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Amid the rubble of an Israeli air strike, a small hand reaches out and grips the air. We're
coming son. We're coming. One man promises, as he and the others sifting through the rubble quicken their pace, but it is the boy who clears the
last remaining stones from his face, revealing an eye and a mouth gasping for air.
Spit son spit, one man tells him as he surfaces bits of stone and -- Three- year-old, Assad Khalifa is one of the last survivors of Israel's unrelenting bombardment of the Gaza Strip. He is also one of its last
victims. Less than 24 hours after Israel and Hamas reached the ceasefire agreement, but before it went into effect, Assad became an orphan.
His mother and father were killed in the same strike. So was his younger sister, her lifeless body recovered by the same man who rescued Assad. One
man checks her pulse, confirming what is already -- and obvious. In a statement, the Israeli military said it struck terror infrastructure where
a commander in the Hamas terrorist organization was present. The terrorist was responsible for many rocket attacks.
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The IDF said it, quote, took intelligence measures to mitigate harm to uninvolved individuals. More than 140 Palestinians were killed in the four
tragic days between the announcement of the ceasefire deal and when it became a reality. But even if this six-week ceasefire turns into an
enduring truce, they will not be this war's last victims.
13-year-old Zakaria was shot on the second day of the ceasefire. His relatives and doctors at Nasser hospital say he was killed by Israeli fire.
He is one of at least four Palestinians who have allegedly been shot by Israeli forces in Gaza since the ceasefire went into effect. My son is
dead, his mother cries.
SUHA BARBAKH, SON KILLED IN GAZA: He was just trying to get a piece of bread to eat. He went looking for wood to burn for cooking. What did he do
to deserve to be killed?
DIAMOND (voice-over): The Israeli military said it is unaware of the incident, but has warned Palestinians against approaching areas where
Israeli troops are still stationed in Gaza. Publishing this map outlining no go zones where Palestinians could be shot if they enter. But the reality
on the ground is far more complicated.
AHMAD BARBAKH, NEPHEW KILLED IN GAZA: Would a child know if an area is forbidden to enter or not, his uncle asks.
DIAMOND (voice-over): The soldiers saw him. They deliberately shot a child. They saw him trying to pick up pieces of wood so he could bring back to his
parents to cook food.
BARBAKH: Why did you have to kill him? Remove him from the area if you have to, why kill him?
DIAMOND (voice-over): Back in northern Gaza, little Assad and his parents should be enjoying the first days of the ceasefire. His parents had been
preparing to reunite with family displaced in Southern Gaza. They were excited and happy and discussing how to reunite with the rest of the
family.
Moutasem, the family's neighbor says, but an Israeli air strike killed their dreams. Moutasem's sister Mawada had received a celebratory text
message from Assad's mother hours after the ceasefire were announced. Moments later, she was killed. She says I was so shocked.
She says she will raise Assad alongside her children as long as needed. We will try, she says, but we will not be able to replace his mother or bring
her back. Jeremy Diamond, CNN.
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GIOKOS: An American journalist disappeared in Syria in 2012 and Austin Tice's mother remains desperate for answers. The U.S. government claims
Tice was held by the Assad regime, but with Bashar Al Assad now ousted from power, Debra Tice went back to Syria to search for her son. CNN's Clarissa
Ward has more.
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CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the story of the lengths a mother will go to find her son. It's the story
of so many Syrian mothers and one American. For 12.5 years, Debra Tice has not stopped looking for U.S. Journalist Austin Tice.
Taken at a regime checkpoint in Syria in 2012, he has been missing ever since. One of many thousands who disappeared in the prisons of Syrian
Dictator Bashar Al Assad. Six weeks after Assad's ouster, Debra is now going back to Damascus, joined by the Head of Hostage Aid Worldwide, Nizar
Zakka, who is coordinating the search.
DEBRA TICE, MOTHER OF AUSTIN TICE: Almost 10 years --
NIZAR ZAKKA, PRESIDENT OF HOSTAGE AID WORLDWIDE: When was the last time --
TICE: The last time I was here was in 2015 in May.
ZAKKA: Oh.
WARD (voice-over): At the hotel in Damascus. A group of journalists eagerly await her arrival. But for now, there are more questions than answers.
TICE: It's hard for me to think about how -- where is my way forward here? You know, Austin has been held by the Syrian government all this time. Who
is holding him now? Where is he? How? What is the approach? I mean, it's like it's first grade again.
WARD: And where do you think he is? What do you know? What can you share?
TICE: I feel like he is still in Syria, and I do think it's most likely he's in a safe house.
WARD: Are you saying that based on what you feel or what you know?
TICE: There's some of itch. There's some of itch.
WARD (voice-over): Faith has played a vital role in Debra's journey. First thing Sunday morning, she heads to St. Anthony's Church, the place she came
to pray on an almost daily basis when she first visited Damascus in 2014 and ended up staying 3.5 months trying to gain Austin's release.
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Prayers are needed by so many here dotted around the city flyers with photos of those who disappeared under the Assad regime, leaving devastated
families desperately looking for answers. For Debra and Nizar, the prisons where they believe Austin was detained hold important clues.
They visit Al-Khatib prison, where Nizar's team has discovered some graffiti that the Tice family is convinced was written by Austin. Debra has
been stealing herself for this moment for weeks, and is intent on seeing it for herself.
WARD: Take a minute. Take a minute. Take a minute. OK -- light for you -- first. OK, it's very small here. OK.
TICE: OK --
WARD (voice-over): The Tice family asked us not to show the graffiti itself, out of respect for their privacy.
TICE: I'm going to stay in here for a minute.
WARD: OK, OK.
TICE: I just want to be here for a minute.
WARD: Yeah.
TICE: Just for a minute.
WARD: Sure.
TICE: I hardly even know what to say about that experience. It was beyond anything I could have imagined. These pictures don't even begin to tell you
how unbelievably, unbelievably horrible, awful, terrible nightmare they are.
WARD (voice-over): At a press conference the next day, Debra talks about her experience visiting the prisons.
TICE: For all the mothers whose sons were disappeared in these dungeons, our hearts are joined for all those looking now for answers about their
family members, I am here with you in solidarity. We share --
WARD (voice-over): Unlike those Syrian mothers, Debra and Nizar, were able to meet with Syria's New Leader, Ahmed al-Sharaa, who offered support and
confidence.
ZAKKA: He believes, like all of us, that Austin is alive and he's going to be joined with his mom, and we promised him that when he's back, we're
going to come visit Sharaa again with Austin.
WARD: Lot of people will think, after the fall of the Assad regime, after the prisons were opened more than a month later, the fact that Austin
doesn't turn up, hasn't turned up is not a good sign, and there are many people who assume that he was likely killed. How do you know, or do you
know, with conviction, that he is alive?
ZAKKA: We have enough information collected that Austin is alive and is in a safe house is controlled somehow by the regime. Everybody -- we are
receiving this information from the highest sources, confirming what we believe in. So, we don't see any reason to think differently. In fact, we
didn't have one thing no ever. Nobody provided one single evidence that Austin is not alive.
WARD (voice-over): It's Monday afternoon, the day of the inauguration of President Donald J. Trump.
WARD: Have you been in contact with the Trump Administration? Do you feel optimistic?
TICE: Oh, I feel hugely optimistic. And one of the main things is that his people reached out to me. I mean, they are in, they are ready. They want to
go with it. They want Austin home.
WARD (voice-over): Looking out at the city as the sun starts to fade. Debra's hopes are high.
TICE: You remember the feeling of the baby's almost due? You know that kind of thing of just waiting, you know, when are we going to be together again?
I have very much that kind of feeling.
WARD: Do you feel when you look around that you're closer to him.
TICE: Yes, I feel like I'm closer to him. I feel like he knows that I'm here.
WARD (voice-over): The next morning, it's time to leave.
TICE: So much --
WARD (voice-over): But Debra is certain she will be back and soon. Clarissa Ward, CNN, Damascus.
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GIOKOS: Let's get up to speed on some of the other stories that are on our radar right now. Japan raised its interest rates to the highest level in 17
years in an attempt to keep inflation stable. The Bank of Japan set the benchmark rate at half a percent in a widely expected move. It follows the
inauguration of Donald Trump, who is threatening to increase tariffs on trading partners around the world.
U.S. President Donald Trump says he plans on reaching out to North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un amid ongoing concerns over the country's nuclear
program. Mr. Trump had a rigged diplomatic relationship with Kim during his first term, when he made history by becoming the first sitting U.S.
President to enter North Korea and engage in denuclearization talks, which ultimately stalled.
And finally, it's pandemonium at the National Zoo in Washington, you are getting a first look at its newest residents, three-year-old pandas, Bao Li
and Qing Bao. Just made the public debut in a welcoming ceremony a short time ago. The two pandas are on loan to the National Zoo for 10 years, with
an annual fee of $1 million to support conservation efforts back in China.
U.S. President Donald Trump is heading out to visit two U.S. cities that have been devastated by natural disasters. First stop Asheville, North
Carolina, which was hit by catastrophic flooding back in September. Then on to Los Angeles, where firefighters have been battling wildfires. And of
course, he is heading out there. Let's take a listen.
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TRUMP: -- stop in there, and we're going to then go to Los Angeles, and take a look at a fire that could have been put out if they let the water
flow, but they didn't let the water flow, and they still haven't it for whatever reason. So, I think we're going to have a very interesting time. I
think many of you are going with us. If you'd like to have a ride on the plane, we'd love to give it to you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, why did you invite Adam Schiff on your trip if you called him scum?
TRUMP: I don't know, is he going -- is he going? I don't know. I mean, I really don't you know, but mean, if he's going to be there, it would be
cheaper, but I didn't invite him. Somebody did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- yesterday ahead of his now likely confirmation.
TRUMP: Look whatever it is, he's a good man. I don't know what's going to happen. You never know in those things, but Pete's a very, very good man. I
hope he makes it. I hope he makes it. I was very surprised that Collins and Murkowski would do that. And of course, Mitch is always a no-vote. I guess
it's Mitch a no-vote. How about Mitch -- what -- let's see what happen?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- the --
TRUMO: -- we look forward to seeing it. I'm going to be watching it and JD Vance our Vice President is there, and he's going to be representing us
very well, taking place in a little while. And other than being a little bit cold, it's a beautiful day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- how --
TRUMP: We're all for it. In fact, as you know, I just signed a pardon, and in the pardon, we released 23 people that were unjustly put in having to do
with pro-life, and they will be released, and they'll be out very shortly. It was disgraceful.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- will you --
TRUMP: Well, I like her very much. Let's see what happens.
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GIOKOS: All right, as you can see, President Donald Trump there, heading to Joint Base Andrews and then starting his trip to devastated parts of the
United States, North Carolina and California, the first trip out of Washington, D.C. since his inauguration, and a significant one, will be
monitoring all the newest headlines as this trip gets underway.
All right. Still ahead on "Connect the World", Trump threatens tariffs on businesses that don't make their products in the United States, and what it
means for your wallet. So that's coming up. And you're watching "Connect the World". There's more news ahead. Stay with CNN.
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GIOKOS: Welcome back. I'm Eleni Giokos in Abu Dhabi, and you're watching "Connect the World". These are your headlines. U.S. President Donald
Trump's pledge to go after undocumented immigrants is rapidly turning into action. A short time ago, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt
announced that deportation flights have now begun and released these images on X of dozens of migrants boarding a U.S. military aircraft bound for
Guatemala.
Business and political leaders are digesting the latest policy plans revealed by Donald Trump at the World Economic Forum. Mr. Trump says he
will ask NATO allies to double their financial contributions, and he warned businesses they must manufacture their goods in the U.S. or face stiff
tariffs. Israel says it will not withdraw from Lebanon by Sunday's deadline.
The move violates a requirement in a ceasefire agreement with Hezbollah requiring both sides to leave Southern Lebanon by January 26. The Israeli
Prime Minister's Office blames Lebanon's government, saying Israel's withdrawal was conditional upon the Lebanese army deploying to the area.
Right. Well, let's check in to see how the U.S. markets are faring. As you can see, we're a couple of minutes into the start of trade. DOW is slightly
down, NASDAQ and S&P to the good, S&P 500, in fact, closing on a record high yesterday. There's a lot of pro market news coming through in terms of
what President Trump has been saying he wants to see lower interest rates. He's very pro-business.
And of course, the big question around what will happen with tariffs, and the big push to try and get more businesses to manufacture in the United
States. Now, investors are holding their breath as President Trump threatens to impose new tariffs, speaking to global business leaders at the
World Economic Forum in Davos on Thursday.
President Trump warned businesses that if they don't make their products in the United States, they will face levies on exports to America, and that
could start as soon as next week. Trump said that he is considering a 10 percent across the board tariff on all Chinese goods, starting as early as
February 1.
Chris Southworth knows a thing or two about tariffs. He's the Secretary General of the International Chamber of Commerce in the U.K., and he joins
me now from Manchester. Sir great to have you with us. Any kind of news on tariffs? You know, while it does hurt governments, but it hurts businesses.
And there's a big, you know, domino effect. How are the businesses that you're representing preparing for Trump 2.0?
CHRIS SOUTHWORTH, SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM: Well, if I can make some initial
observations, first of all, you know, Trump is setting the tone that he means business as he comes into office. And we've seen a raft of executive
orders to demonstrate that, and the speech in Switzerland yesterday.
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Trump is right on a number of issues, and we have to take that on board. There are economic imbalances. The system isn't working for a lot of
people. There are unfair trade practices. Debts are high and lots of trade barriers. But in an international context, we have to also understand the
U.S. is not what it was.
It is only now 14 percent of the global market share in imports. The World Order has moved on since Trump won. There are now new groupings and new
power players. BRICS Plus is bigger than G7, the G77 is bigger than BRICS Plus and the power broker group is the Ottawa group, which is the mid-tier
economies, who are bridging dialog between north, south, east and west.
So, you know, the world he faces today is very different to Trump won. It's better organized. There's been an awful lot of diplomatic activity since
Trump won, and that's intensifying. There are all sorts of power brokers who are looking at deals. And importantly, there are opportunities in this
new presidency to stop the wars, to reform the regulatory frameworks -- growth.
GIOKOS: Yeah.
SOUTHWORTH: So, tariff wars is not a good idea. Nobody wins from a tariff war. And ultimately, ordinary people, the poorest, always get hit hardest,
so we want to avoid that.
GIOKOS: Yeah. Sir, I actually want you to take a listen to the World Trade Organization Director General Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, who spoke to that point
at the World Economic Forum, and basically said that trade wars are going to be catastrophic. Listen in.
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NGOZI OKONJO-IWEALA, DIRECTOR-GENERAL OF WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION: If we have tit for tat retaliation, whether it's 25 percent, tariffs 60 percent
and we go to where we were in the 1930s. We are going to see double digit, global GDP losses, double digit. That's catastrophic. Everyone will pay.
Everyone.
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GIOKOS: Right. So, I mean -- what's to come, perhaps. But I wonder if you see this as unraveling globalization, what we're seeing on potential
confrontation between the United States and China and the U.S. and Europe. And by the way, he was also pointing a finger at Europe as well.
SOUTHWORTH: Well, it's like I say, the U.S. doesn't have the global market power anymore to dismantle the global system, Ngozi is completely right.
You know, tariff wars will absolutely hurt ordinary people all over the world, and that's bad for everybody.
But Trump is also coming from a space where he's got a good point in terms of the core issues underneath. We have to be pragmatic. We have to be cool
and calm in response to this, not retaliate, and it's really important, otherwise we will end up in a tariff war. But let's get around the table.
GIOKOS: Yeah.
SOUTHWORTH: Let's get the conversation going and find where the common ground is so we have solutions that work for everybody.
GIOKOS: So, Chris, you represent 45 million businesses. That's a large chunk. The 15 percent tax incentive that Donald Trump is offering for
anyone that to go and manufacture goods in the United States. Do you think that's a big enough incentive for people to move?
I mean, and you've got to think about every country wants to industrialize and catch that last part of the supply and value chain in order for their
respective countries to do well, why would anyone want to go and operate in the United States?
SOUTHWORTH: Well, exactly. I mean, you know, there are lots of governments doing this sort of thing. Businesses are pragmatic. They will always do
what's right for business. You can't fight globalism. You know, there are lots of trends going on in the world, but globalism is here, and it always
has been here, and there are issues that need to be sorted out within the global system.
And there are lots of people lots of people working on that, but you know, if businesses are attracted to what's on offer in the U.S., they'll go to
the U.S., and there's nothing wrong with that. But you know, we have to be pragmatic. And you know, that's the sort of trend, but it won't necessarily
change the system. Businesses will make the decisions that are right for the businesses.
GIOKOS: Chris Southworth, great to have you on sir. Thank you so much for your time. All right, moving on now. A leg injury forcing tennis legend
Novak Djokovic to retire his semifinal match versus Alexander Zverev after losing a first set tie break. Some in the stunned crowd showing dismay by
booing the 10-time Australian Open champion, his opponent came to his defense. Details on that story coming up.
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GIOKOS: Considered the goat by many antennas for his record 24 Grand Slam singles titles. Novak Djokovic is not immune from fickle fans when he dared
to retire from his semifinal match at the Australian Open due to a leg injury after dropping a first set tie break. His decision unleashed a
chorus of boos from the stunned crowd. Amanda Davies joins me now. What do you make of these boos. I mean -- behind this --
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yeah, I think I have to say the phrase fickle fans is a bit harsh. Australian tennis fans love their tennis, and
they love Novak Djokovic. He has won this tournament 10 times. And what the fans paying good money, we have to say, wanted from the opening men's
semifinal was the classic encounter.
They wanted it to go five sets against Alex Zverev. What they got was an 80 minute first set that went all the way to a tie break, but Novak Djokovic
had walked out onto court with a very heavily strapped thigh, an injury, a muscle tear he had suffered in his last match against Carlos Alcaraz.
He said he done everything he could to get to the court to the chance to book his place in another Australian Open final. But ultimately it proved a
step too far. When you got a muscle tear, it's too painful, you can't play. And so, I think it was disappointment, frustration from the fans.
GIOKOS: Yeah.
DAVIES: But what we get to see, what the fans will get to see, is what should be a pretty epic final on Sunday. And we're looking ahead to that in
just a couple of minutes in "World Sport".
GIOKOS: All right, Amanda, we'll see you after the break. I'll be back at the top of the hour. Stay with CNN.
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