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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST, CONNECT THE WORLD: Well, you're looking at live scenes from Khan Yunis in Southern Gaza as 10 more Palestinians have

reportedly starved to death in the last day. Aid groups now warning that quote, time is up, famine is knocking at the door. It is 04:00 p.m. in

Gaza. It's 05:00 p.m. here in Abu Dhabi, from our Middle East programming headquarters.

I'm Becky Anderson, this is "Connect the World". Also coming up, Ukrainians take to the streets to protest the move by President Zelenskyy targeting

anti-corruption bodies. And amid the ongoing Epstein controversy, U.S. President Trump turns the attention on his predecessor a Former President

Obama accusing him of treason, a claim Obama calls a quote, weak attempt at a distraction.

The stock market in New York opens about 30 minutes from now, and it is gearing up to be a big -- ahead in focus, earnings from some key tech

powerhouses, as well as news on some big trade deals likely to impact investor sentiment. Futures certainly indicating a slightly better look at

the open.

Well, the crisis in Gaza getting worse by the minute, as more and more people reportedly have starved to death. 10 people, specifically, in the

past 24 hours alone, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry there. And as we've been reporting, this is a manufactured crisis.

Food and supplies sitting on Gaza's border right now. Humanitarian groups say they are running out of ways to help under Israel's suffocating

blockade. They say more than 100 aid organizations have signed a joint statement calling for Israel to end the blockade and allow the free flow of

food into and around the enclave. They say that time is up.

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SCOTT PAUL, OXFAM DIRECTOR OF PEACE AND SECURITY: Famine is knocking on the doors, banging down the door right now. What we're seeing across the Gaza

Strip is families are getting by with one nutritiously poor meal every day. Many cases, people are going without eating.

There is enough food at the borders to feed the whole population for two months, and what has come in is being systematically restricted by the

government of Israel.

AHMED BAYRAM, NORWEGIAN REFUGEE COUNCIL: I hear from my colleagues who are themselves starving that they have -- now they have probably one meal a

day, and that should be before bedtime, so that their children don't go to bed with empty stomachs. I heard yesterday, also from a colleague, about a

pregnant woman who was carrying a flour, a bag of flour when she was shot dead.

So, this kind of -- unfortunately, these kinds of incidents, these kinds of attacks, are being normalized, and that's the danger.

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ANDERSON: Jeremy Diamond joins us now live. The images that we are going to show you in this report may be incredibly difficult for you to see, but we

do feel it is important to show these images to better understand the extent of this suffering. Jeremy, our CNN stringers have been capturing the

realities of what is going on the ground in Gaza. Can you just walk us through what they have been seeing and sending back to CNN?

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, listen, Becky, that reality is multifaceted, but it all points to one stark picture, and that

is a picture of ramping up and ramping starvation in the Gaza Strip, whether we are seeing people who are hunting for aid, who are taking risks

with their lives, as they have been gunned down while trying to reach that aid, or whether we are talking about children in hospitals suffering from

malnutrition, they all point to this same picture.

And one of those pictures is that of a 41-year-old man, Mohammed Ahmed Al Hasan Nath (ph). These images are indeed disturbing, but they are important

to show our audiences, because you can see this man has died due to malnutrition. He developed symptoms of malnutrition about four months ago,

according to his brother, following Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

He needed nutritional supplements. He needed protein. None of that has been available to him inside of Gaza, and yesterday, he lost his battle against

that starvation, dying at the age of 41 years old. And you can see in these images just how emaciated his body became before it ultimately gave out.

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He is one of 10 people who have died of starvation in the last 24 hours, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. Altogether in Gaza, 111

people have died of starvation since the beginning of this war. Among them, 81 children. And indeed, children have been the most vulnerable to the

starvation in the Gaza Strip, to the blockade of aid that has driven it.

And when all is said and done, as we are seeing these images being live broadcast to the world, no one can claim that they didn't see as this was

happening, Becky.

ANDERSON: Jeremy, aid is waiting just across the border, and we are seeing and hearing mounting international pressure for Israel to lift this

blockade. Are there any signs at this point that more aid will be allowed in?

DIAMOND: Well, we have certainly heard more comments in recent days from the Israeli military from COGAT, which is the military agency that

coordinates humanitarian aid into Gaza, talking about efforts to work with the United Nations to better facilitate the entry of aid.

The reality is, we tend to see these, you know, agencies within the Israeli government, within the Israeli military, speed up only at the very end, at

the most acute point of crisis. But it is the policies of the Israeli government over months now that have led to the situation that we are in

now.

And that is not me saying that. That is, you know, the two dozen plus Western nations that we heard put the humanitarian crisis in Gaza squarely

at the feet of the Israeli government just earlier this week. It is the 100 plus humanitarian organizations who have said that.

It is not that the U.N. mechanisms for getting aid into Gaza have failed, but that they have been actively prevented from succeeding in the Gaza

Strip. And indeed, there is aid, not only waiting outside of the Gaza Strip right now to go into Gaza, but also there is aid inside Gaza.

And this is something that the Israeli military pointed out. They said that 958 trucks are waiting inside of Gaza for pickup and distribution by U.N.

agencies. This is not something that these humanitarian organizations deny, but they make clear that it's not because they don't want to pick up that

aid that they don't want to distribute that aid inside of Gaza.

It is because the Israeli military has time and again, failed to give them safe de conflicted routes, to be able to go and pick up that aid, to be

able to distribute it inside the Gaza Strip where necessary, and because of the ways in which active Israeli military operations have been prioritized

over the flow of humanitarian aid inside of Gaza.

And indeed, in addition to the fact that we are seeing these, you know, the lack of aid inside of Gaza, we are also seeing people who are trying to

access that aid be killed on a near daily basis now by the Israeli military, according to Palestinian health officials, according to

eyewitnesses, and according to U.N. organizations.

It was the World Food Program just the other day that attested to the fact that Israeli tanks and snipers had opened fire on a crowd on Sunday that

mobbed a convoy of 25 humanitarian trucks from the WFP. And we have seen similar scenes happen just in the last 24 hours as 34 people have been

killed while trying to access aid, according to that Palestinian Ministry of Health.

ANDERSON: Jeremy, an agreed ceasefire, albeit on a temporary basis, would allow that aid to flood in. We've seen that happen before, and we've seen a

temporary truce. So where do things stand at present?

DIAMOND: Well, the most significant signal that we have seen now in the last 24 hours is that Steve Witkoff, President Trump's special envoy is

heading to Europe to engage in face-to-face discussions about this Gaza ceasefire and the status of those talks. And it seems that if he makes

enough progress there, then he would head to the Qatari capital of Doha.

We have long been told by multiple sources that once Steve Witkoff heads to the region, that will be the best signal that these two sides are actually

on the cusp of an agreement. And so, the fact that he is headed to Europe at least first, and may then head to Doha from there is a positive signal.

We know that the majority of the sticking points have now been resolved between these two sides, that Israel has agreed to withdraw some troops

from that Morag Corridor in the southern part of the strip, which was a major disagreement.

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They are still going back and forth on the specifics of that withdrawal, but that is not expected to hold up the potential of a deal. We are still

waiting, however, for Hamas to provide its response to this latest ceasefire proposal. But it certainly does seem like everything is headed in

the right direction.

Although, as always, Becky, when you and I talk about this issue, I always caveat it by making clear that there is no deal until everything is agreed

to on the table. And so many times before, of course, we have seen the positive momentum. We have seen the optimism ultimately evaporate into

nothingness.

ANDERSON: Yeah.

DIAMOND: Again, the indications are positive at this moment, but we simply won't know until a deal is actually signed and agreed to

ANDERSON: Yeah, that is an important caveat. Good to have you, Jeremy. Thank you very much indeed. Well, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

is facing backlash after signing off in a bill that will toughen restrictions on two of the country's anti-corruption bureaus.

Now this new legislation led to Ukraine's biggest wartime demonstrations. The law reduces the autonomy of the agencies in favor of tighter executive

control, which the government says is needed to curb Russian influence.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE: The anti-corruption infrastructure will operate, but without the Russian influence, everything

must be cleansed of that, and there must be more justice.

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ANDERSON: Well CNN's Senior International Correspondent Fred Pleitgen is across this story. Just explain why this bill is so controversial.

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, first of all, those are pretty big demonstrations with hundreds of people on the

street there in Kyiv late last night. Obviously, a lot of Ukrainians have big issues with that bill. And a lot of them say that they believe that the

independence of those two offices that you were talking about for fighting corruption, that those are very much in jeopardy.

In fact, more than in jeopardy, that the independence could completely be curved, that essentially those two offices, Becky, would then be under the

control of Ukraine's Prosecutor General, which essentially means, because the prosecutor general is appointed by the presidency, that then it would

be under the control of Ukraine's government and the presidency itself.

Now for a lot of people, of course, that is a big problem. They fear that the battle against corruption could be in jeopardy, and that's certainly

one of the reasons why so many people have come out on the streets. And I was listening to some of the things that some of the protesters there said,

as they were out there yesterday, saying that this is not the Ukraine that they want for the future.

A lot of them are saying, their relatives, their loved ones, right now, are fighting for an independent Ukraine, but also one, of course, where

democracy must rule, and of course, where there's also transparency and rule of law, and they feel that all of that could be in jeopardy.

Now, we heard from President Zelenskyy, just there right now, saying that he believes that he's curbing Russian influence in those anti-corruption

organizations. That's obviously something that, not necessarily most people there are buying. Of course, we know that this law also has been signed

off, of course, by the Ukrainian Parliament as well.

But there's several things to this. Of course, a lot of Ukrainians, they've had a big history of their country really having descended into corruption,

especially into the 90s, and then also the early 2000s as well. And a lot of them see the battle against corruption as something that's existential

to Ukraine and its future.

But of course, Ukraine also wants to become a member of the European Union, and fighting corruption and getting Ukraine on track in that regard, is

something that's a prerequisite for these negotiations with the European Union to really take hold, but then also to have a chance at becoming a

member of the European Union.

Of course, there are certain standards that Ukraine will also have to meet, and there are a lot of people, many of them, of course, out on the street

there, who feel that all of that could be in jeopardy as well. So certainly, all this definitely putting a dent in Volodymyr Zelenskyy's

popularity.

It is a political issue for him as well, whether or not it's going to be one that's going to last and really become a bigger political problem for

him is something that we're probably going to see in the next couple of days. And whether or not these protests continue their momentum, and

whether or not they even become bigger, Becky.

ANDERSON: Yeah. Meantime, of course, in Turkey talks between Ukraine and Russia scheduled. We will get across those and see what comes of those.

It's good to have you. Thank you very much indeed. Still to come, critics of President Trump are accusing him of trying to distract attention from

the Jeffrey Epstein scandal by going after Former U.S. President Barack Obama.

We will explain what's going on there. And a stark warning from the CEO of OpenAI, what he said as the White House turns its focus on AI today. That

is just ahead.

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ANDERSON: The Office of Former U.S. President Barack Obama has said that Donald Trump's allegations of treason and sedition against Obama are,

quote, bizarre and ridiculous. On Tuesday, President Trump accused Obama of weaponizing intelligence and leading an effort to interfere in the 2016

election by claiming that Russia was seeking to influence the result.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely

cold, after what they did to me. And whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people. The leader of the gang was President Obama, Barack

Hussein Obama.

Have you heard of him? He's guilty. Is that a question? You know, I like to say, let's give it time. It's there. He's guilty. They -- this was treason.

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ANDERSON: President Trump of trying to use these remarks as yet another distraction from what are, of course, the ongoing calls for the Justice

Department to release more files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Look, let's bring in CNN Politics Senior Reporter, good friend of the show,

Stephen Collinson, who joins me now from Washington.

And you write, Stephen, quote, the Justice Department and the Head of the U.S. intelligence community are now openly operating as fully weaponized

tools to pursue the president's personal political needs in a degradation of a governing system meant to be an antidote to king like patronage.

You are not mincing any words, and you make that argument specifically about these Obama allegations. What personal political need is Trump

addressing, and how does this serve, this move serves those ends? Can you explain?

STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: Right. So what Trump wants is for this Jeffrey Epstein saga to go away, every attempt that he's made

to distract attention from it with his social media posts, his public statements have failed. In fact, there's even more intrigue about Trump's

previous relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, an accused sex trafficker, before Epstein was prosecuted and charged.

This is back in the 1990s and the early 2000s. So, what he's done now is something which is a lot more sinister. He is using the Justice Department

and the intelligence community, both of which have a mission which is ultimately keeping Americans safe in the service of this goal of trying to

distract from what is happening.

Last week, the Head of the Intelligence Community, Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, issued a report accusing Obama of basically

drumming up a plot to try to keep Trump out of power in the 2016 election, with allegations of Russian election meddling.

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There's no basis to this. What she said is absurd. But what that did was give Trump pretext to go on that tirade yesterday in the Oval Office, to

try and find another target for his supporters to gather around, if you like. And Former President Obama is one of the favorite targets of the MAGA

movement.

ANDERSON: If this is a distraction campaign, Stephen, it doesn't seem to be working. I want our viewers to hear from two right wing media personalities

who have previously been supportive of Donald Trump, Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes. Have a listen.

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CANDACE OWENS, AMERICAN COMMENTATOR AND AUTHOR: What is Trump hiding? Why is he going down like this over Jeffrey Epstein. Is Trump is playing games?

He is. I'm sorry, he is flat out playing games right now. What is the connection between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump? Because clearly there

is something here that gives him pause.

NICK FUENTES, ACTIVIST: You bury the Epstein files as if that's not bad enough, you're going to lie to our faces. Tell us it's a Democrat hoax.

You're lying. You know you're lying. You're lying to our face. You know, we know you're lying. You don't even care. You're just giving us the finger

and rubbing in, in our faces.

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ANDERSON: Now that is commentary from earlier in the week when figures on the right, not everybody now, but a significant number of media

personalities on the right still not letting this go. I wonder whether, then the Obama accusations, as baseless as they are. Do you think will make

any difference on this issue?

COLLINSON: I don't think so. What you got there was a snapshot of Trump's problem when people are caught up in a conspiracy theory, evidence and

truth and fact such as they are do not do anything to dissuade them from their views, because everything that Trump says is now viewed as evidence

of something he is trying to cover up, even if he isn't trying to do so.

Those broadcasters, of course, have a vested interest in keeping this going with their discrete audiences, their catering to a certain mindset of the

sections of the Trump base. They have a commercial interest in keeping this going. So, I wouldn't say that they represent the mainstream, even of the

MAGA media superstructure, but they do have an audience.

I think the question then becomes, how many base Republican voters also share some of these misgivings about Trump's handling of this case, and if

that is the case, does that prejudice them against other parts of Trump's presidency, and is this something that could really be damaging to

Republicans as we head next year into the midterm elections, when they have a tough job without Trump directly on the ticket of hanging on at least for

their House majority.

ANDERSON: Yeah, it's good to have you. Thank you very much indeed. Stephen Collinson, in the House, always worth checking in on your CNN app and at

CNN Digital for Stephen's latest. Well, AI in the spotlight this week, and we will be following developments very closely over the coming days, with

President Trump signing new policies at the AI summit, and highly anticipated tech earnings out after the bell today for Tesla and Alphabet.

Meantime, the CEO of OpenAI is issuing a warning. We are on the precipice of a fraud crisis with fake AI usage. Sam Altman's warning comes as the

White House is expected to release its AI action plan. Well let's get our tech reporter, Clare Duffy, up for you. She's been digging deeper into this

story, and she joins me now.

I just want you to break down for us Altman's quote concerns here, and I very specifically use quote concerns here.

CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: Yeah, Becky. I mean, look, there is a real concern around the way that AI is increasingly able to impersonate people's

voices, you know, increasingly, people's faces on video. I got a demo of this recently, and it is really stunning, the way that you could

potentially soon be showing up on a zoom call looking like a completely different person.

These comments from Sam Altman came at an interview at the fed where he was talking to an audience full of representatives of some of the biggest U.S.

financial institutions. And he warned them that it is crazy that some banks are still using voice authentication to let people withdraw or move around

large sums of money, because bad actors could use AI to simply impersonate the person who owns that account. Let's listen to a bit more of what he

said during that interview here.

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SAM ALTMAN, CEO OF OPENAI: I am very nervous that we have an impending, a significant impending fraud crisis because of this, you know, there's

obviously some reports now of these sorts of like ransom attacks, where people have the voice of your kid or your parent and they make this urgent

call.

That is going to get so compelling. Society has to deal with this problem more generally, but people are going to have to change the way they

interact. They're going to have to change the way they verify like this person calling me. Right now, it's a voice call. Soon it's going to be a

video face time, the indistinguishable from reality.

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DUFFY: Now, I think it is worth noting that Sam Altman is actually backing technology called the Orb that could purport to solve this issue by

verifying people's unique humanness on the internet. So, I do think that that is worth keeping in mind when he is making these warnings, these

comments about an impending fraud crisis.

But what's also interesting about the timing here is that Altman's appearance at this fed event is an example of the way that the company has

really been building its presence in Washington. It confirmed to me yesterday that it's planning to open its first Washington D.C. office next

year.

And the company has been advising the White House on this AI action plan that we're expecting Trump to reveal today, in many respects, calling on

the administration to limit AI regulation, especially when it comes to state AI regulation. So that these companies don't have to comply with a

patchwork of state regulations.

But that is really interesting when you contrast it to these warnings about the technology's power its capabilities. The message from these tech

companies seems to be, rather than building guardrails around us that could make us less competitive with foreign actors in this space. Just let us

build more technology to address some of these concerns, Becky.

ANDERSON: Yeah, it's no coincidence. I don't think that Sam Altman's company is getting more sort of presence in Washington, just as we see the

demise of the Elon Musk era. Those two do not very specifically get on clearing the way perhaps for Sam in Washington. Thank you.

AI will continue to be in focus throughout the day, particularly on Wall Street, just about to open with the Alphabet and Tesla earnings coming

later today, after the closing bell, we will be getting you to Wall Street after this.

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ANDERSON: Right. That is the bell on Wall Street. Welcome to the trading day. There it is, 09:30 in New York, 05:30 here in Abu Dhabi. And investors

will be mulling President Trump's touting as unprecedented a trade deal with Japan, calling it perhaps the largest deal ever made.

Trump claims $550 billion in new Japanese investment coming into the U.S., and 15 percent tariffs on Japanese imports such as cars. Japan hailing the

deal as well, but it did say its government is still to examine the details. Well meanwhile, China and the European Union preparing to hold

fresh talks on Thursday amid somewhat heightened tensions.

And that is, of course, the head of China-U.S. talks next week. For more, I'm joined by CNN's Global Analyst, Economic Analyst, Rana Foroohar. It's

good to have you. Thank you. Unprecedented thousands of jobs. These are claims by Donald Trump on this big Japan deal.

How credible are those claims, and what mechanisms might ensure these returns actually do benefit American workers? I mean, that's going to be

the question that's asked of course.

RANA FOROOHAR, CNN GLOBAL ECONOMIC ANALYST: Indeed, Becky, you know, I think when you look at unprecedented well, even though we've seen the

tariff threat come down from 25 percent to 15 percent that's still an unprecedentedly high number, more than we've seen, you know, on U.S., Japan

trade, certainly in my working lifetime.

How do we make sure that the half trillion dollars or so that Trump is claiming is going to come an investment from Japan to the U.S. actually

goes to workers? Well, we don't have any mechanism to make sure that that happens. You know this does worry me, because it's very similar to the way

in which Trump, in his first term said, oh, we're going to do a repatriation of foreign profits, and it's all going to go to workers.

Well, it all went into share buybacks, and companies got rich and workers didn't. I will also say that a number of the areas that the Japanese are

promising to invest in, chips, shipbuilding, aviation, AI, these are areas that are increasingly becoming automated. There a lot of jobs are being

done by technology.

So, we could see investment, you know, that could happen, but that might not translate into jobs. So, I think this is, you know, probably a good

deal for a certain number of companies. You're certainly seeing the markets, Japanese stocks, auto stocks, for example, rallying. But I

wouldn't hold my breath that this is somehow going to reinvent manufacturing in America.

ANDERSON: This 15 percent on car imports. And the narrative around sort of, you know, Japanese car inputs remind me of when I lived in the States back

in the sort of late 80s, early 90s, when there was this sort of really negative narrative around Japanese car importers, of course, we're back

there again.

History repeats itself. That rate, though, is only half of what will be at present, at least applied to other major exporters like South Korea. So,

you're making a really good point here. And perhaps this is, you know, absolutely reflected in car imports. Look, you know, there will be an

impact on competitiveness for U.S. auto companies, right? And this should be good news for them.

FOROOHAR: Well, you know, it's interesting. Becky, I'm glad that you bring up the 1980s because it's worth doing a little bit of a dive into history

here. Trump really takes a lot of his trade playbook from the 1980s and back then, you know, the U.S., under the Reagan Administration, there were

a lot of protective actions taken against the Japanese auto industry.

My father actually worked in auto components in the rural Midwest. Everybody was afraid the Japanese were going to take over. Eventually,

those were lifted. But what you saw happening was a lot of investment into factories in the South, in the U.S. South, which was non-unionized.

So that became a split, again between the fortunes of companies and the fortunes of workers. And I would not be surprised to see that similar

dynamic plays out today.

ANDERSON: Yeah, let's get on to the China EU summit set for Beijing tomorrow, originally scheduled to take place in Brussels, cut from a two

day to just a one-day event. I wonder what this tells us about Brussels, Beijing relations at present, and whose agenda will ultimately benefit from

these tensions and obviously background to this and important in this conversation are these U.S.-China talks next week?

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FOROOHAR: Yeah, absolutely. You know this is actually, in some ways, the main event. I'm watching this very, very closely. Ever since Liberation

Day, I have wondered what the relationship between the EU and China was going to be as two trading blocs, because that's really where the rubber

meets the road.

Is the EU somehow going to be pulled closer to the U.S. and become more hawkish against China, or is Europe going to see Trump's actions, which

have been very threatening and very unpopular on the continent, as a reason to come closer to Beijing? So far, it seems that the European Union is

taking kind of a hawkish approach.

This doesn't seem to be, at least from a European perspective, a time to, you know, cut trade deals with China, so much as it is a time to look at

the way in which Chinese banks are supporting Russian firms and Russian war efforts, a way to look at non market practices by the Chinese.

I think that's interesting, because in some ways, this is Europe saying, you know what? We want fair trade too. We want a new trade paradigm. We're

not going with either the U.S. or China. We're really going to carve out a more competitive path for ourselves. How it's going to go down will be very

interesting.

I did ask a major Chinese business person recently, I said, you know, why is Beijing not being more diplomatic and not really trying to sweeten the

pot with Brussels right now? Because that would be the way to go in the face of Trump's actions. And he told me Beijing really doesn't understand

how to deal with Brussels.

They feel very defended. They feel on the back foot. So, I'm going to be really interested to see what comes in the next day or so.

ANDERSON: I think that's such a good point, and we will continue to assess it. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent will meet, he says, with Chinese

officials himself in Sweden next week. So, what do you expect?

FOROOHAR: Well, I expect a lot of tough talk in the media. I think that the front end of this will be about showing how tough Trump is, showing that

America can go it alone. I think behind closed doors, there's going to be a lot of wrangling about low hanging fruit.

And I think I would not be surprised if there was a lot of talk about technology, and in particular, dual use technology. Dual use means

technologies that can be used in both commercial applications, electronics, iPhones, cars, whatever, and also in military applications.

And that is a big issue for the administration, because I think it does have a strong national security bias and wants to decouple from China in

ways that could affect security and particularly military building, ship building, things like that. But I think it also knows that to pull away

from China completely is going to be very painful.

ANDERSON: Yeah, I agree. Good to have you, Rana. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much indeed. Folks, let's get you up to speed on some of the other

stories that are on our radar right now. And more than 70 students have been sanctioned by Columbia University in the U.S. over pro-Palestinian

demonstrations.

This includes suspensions, expulsions or degree revocations. Columbia has faced political pressure from the Trump Administration over antisemitism,

at the risk of losing federal funding. U.S. Department of Education has stopped some student loan cancelations, raising concerns for borrowers says

interest will start accruing next month.

Student loan forgiveness, as it is known in the state, is a real political football. Donald Trump has approved millions in new disaster aid. All two

states he won in 2024 Kentucky, Michigan, West Virginia and Indiana, with Kentucky receiving the most at $56 million.

Well up next, England, leave it very late to keep their title defense alive at the Women's Euros. More on that after this.

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ANDERSON: Well, England a one win away in Switzerland from defending their Women's Euros title, the Lionesses are into Sunday's final, but only after

coming incredibly close to elimination last night. Italy was one-nil up deep into injury time before the tournament's reigning champions pulled off

another stunning comeback. Andy Scholes joins me now. We got to ask, how England keep getting away with this, Andy?

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Becky, who knows, right? I mean, we talked about this yesterday, how they were even lucky to still even be in

the semifinals, and here, yet they do it again. Michelle Agyemang, with the incredible goal, as you mentioned, super late in this game.

And it was the super subs for England, Chloe Kelly, then was the one who scored after taking a penalty. It got saved by Italy, but then they were

still able to put it home. But, you know, Wiegman said they're going to have to make a movie out of about this team at this point, because they

just keep finding a way. Now it's Spain and Germany on the other side, Becky, you know Spain one of the favorites.

ANDERSON: Yeah.

SCHOLES: But they've never beaten Germany, so that's going to be a fun one here tonight. We'll see who ends up playing England on Sunday. Here's

hoping we just get a game as good as we got yesterday. We'll show you how it all went down on "World Sport" -- preview coming up.

ANDERSON: Andy, I'm an England fan, and I followed that game on social. Can you imagine how painful that was to just be getting the feedback on social

media. I mean, it was like a nightmare, absolute nightmare. Anyway, it's great to see the moving images now, and we will leave you with that. "World

Sport" is up next. We're back in 15 minutes.

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