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Tehran Hits Back After U.S. Strikes Iran Over Downed Helicopter; Wave of Anti-immigrant Unrest in Belfast After Stabbing; Protests Started Over Knife Attack Allegedly by Sudanese Man; U.S. Inflation Tops 4 Percent for First Time in Three Years; Gates Testifying About Extent of Ties to Disgraced Financier. Aired 9-9:45a ET
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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST, CONNECT THE WORLD: This is a view of the White House. This Wednesday, President Trump launching an early morning social
missive. Irani says will pay the price as negotiations have taken too long. It is 09:00 a.m. there, it is 05:00 p.m. here in Abu Dhabi.
From our Middle East programming headquarters, I'm Becky Anderson. You're watching "Connect the World". Also coming up, violence in Northern Ireland
after a knife attack sparks anti-immigrant protests. AI in the spotlight again on Wall Street, with some of the big players making waves.
And in Barcelona the pope expected to inaugurate and bless the final tower of the Sagrada Familia. The stock market in New York opens about 30 minutes
from now. Keep an eye on Big Tech, investors will also likely be reacting to the May Consumer Price Index that just dropped.
Annual inflation rose to a three year high of 4.2 percent in the United States. More on that at 09:30 local time. We begin in this region, though,
with new strikes between Iran and the U.S. questions about negotiations to end the war. And a new warning from Donald Trump, the U.S. President,
saying Iran will, in his words, pay the price for taking too long to negotiate a deal.
Tehran, meantime, says it is taking another look at negotiations after accusing the U.S. and Israel of repeatedly violating the current ceasefire.
Iran also says it launched missiles overnight in retaliation for new U.S. strikes. The state says its move came in response to the downing of a U.S.
Apache helicopter near the Strait of Hormuz.
A U.S. official tells CNN the new strikes shouldn't hinder negotiations. Let's bring in our Senior White House Reporter Kevin Liptak. There's a lot
going on here. Just peel it apart for us, if you will.
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yeah, and I think this message from the president this morning adds a complicating layer to what
we've been seeing over the last several days. You know, it is in the end a sharp turnabout for the president, who has been quite optimistic about the
prospects for a deal really stretching back the last several weeks.
We counted it up. He had said 38 times that a deal with Iran was imminent. Now the president taking a remarkably different stance, suggesting that the
Iranians were slow walking these discussions, and suggesting that he is now more willing than he was previously to restart this conflict in earnest,
saying that Iran will pay the price.
He also spoke with Fox News earlier today, suggesting that he is getting closer to targeting some of those sites in Iran that he was saying that he
would go after right when the ceasefire went into effect, the power plants, the bridges, some of the civilian infrastructure that the U.S. has not yet
targeted so far.
This is just so completely different from what we were hearing from the president you know less than 48 hours ago, he was saying very, very early
Tuesday morning that this deal was two or three days away from being finalized. And that he was very reluctant to start the war again, because
one, a lot of people were going to be killed, which is what he said.
And two, that it would cause the Strait of Hormuz to remain closed for months and months further, and that's something clearly that the president
is very uninterested in doing. And so, where we are this morning, I don't think is clear. Is the president trying to lend some sort of last-minute
pressure, because he thinks the deal is in fact close.
And he thinks that upping the rhetoric will push the Iranians over the finish line, I guess that's a possibility. We know that the president
believes his own voice and his own rhetoric are kind of the final factor in all of this, or does he, after these new strikes overnight in response to
the downing of that Apache helicopter, suddenly have a new willingness to see this war begin anew.
At this point, I don't think it's clear. I do think you know, despite the president's bluster here, we have seen indications that the negotiations
are ongoing. There's a Qatari delegation in Tehran today to try and bridge some of these remaining differences in this memorandum of understanding.
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White House officials have told me that over, even over the last several days, as these attentions have been escalating, that the discussions, in
fact, are ongoing, that they are productive, and that they do see a deal happening at some point in the near future.
And so, I think the president throwing a lot of confusion into the state of affairs this morning, but still the discussions continuing, and hope I
think for diplomacy to prevail still evident, at least among some officials here at the White House.
ANDERSON: And I have to say sources in this region certainly suggesting on background that negotiations have been creeping forward, and are, or
certainly were looking positive. JD Vance, the Vice President, suggesting that a deal could be wrapped up in a couple of days.
Certainly, he said by the midterms, November, that's quite a window. And you know, at least JD Vance suggesting to a degree, if you read into what
he said, we take what he said just on face value, this conflict could in fact continue for months.
LIPTAK: I mean, I think that that enormous window that the vice president is putting in place for these talks just gives you a sense of how uncertain
American officials are about whether the Iranians are going to come back and agree to some of their red lines. At the end of the day, the president
is under an enormous amount of pressure, whether he wants to admit it or not, to try and get the Strait of Hormuz open.
We just saw that inflation numbers today provide more evidence of why the president needs to get this reopened. The price of gas is a huge political
vulnerability for him, and the longer this goes on, the more and more you're going to hear from Republicans, members of his own party, who
pressing him to try and get this wrapped up.
And so even though he is saying here today that he's willing to go back to war to allow the strait to remain closed for however period of time he
thinks that will happen, he knows that this is going to be very politically damaging for him. And so, when the vice president says that this will be
over by the midterms, I don't know that that's going to provide a huge amount of reassurance to the president's allies here in Washington, who
really do need to see this wrapped up if they are to see their political fortunes turned around.
And so, we'll see where this goes from here, but as you said, there is still these discussions underway. If this Qatari delegation in Iran today
is able to bridge some of these gaps, particularly when it comes to the nuclear program and when it comes to some of these financial relief that
Iran is looking for as part of this deal, that could be in the end the final push that the Iranians need to say yes to this agreement.
I guess the bigger question is whether the president, President Trump, sees in this deal something that he can sign off on. You know, he has been going
back and forth in a lot of ways, about what his red lines are, and so if this is the final step, that would be good news for him, but it remains to
be seen if that's going to be what happens.
ANDERSON: Yeah, it's good to have you, Kevin. Thank you. Well, while we are in this sort of state of limbo, as it were, a frozen conflict, if you will.
CNN's Fred Pleitgen is in Tehran with more on the unfolding situation there. We must note, as ever. CNN operates in Iran only with the permission
of the government, but maintains full editorial control of our reporting. Here's Fred.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps say that they launched powerful retaliatory
strikes at U.S. military bases in the Middle Eastern region. The Iranians say that they launched aerial attacks against bases in Jordan, Kuwait, as
well as the headquarters of the fifth fleet in Bahrain, using drones, but also powerful ballistic missiles.
All this comes after the United States struck areas in the Persian Gulf, the Iranians are saying that that is a violation of their sovereignty, and
they are also saying that it is a pretext that the U.S. is using. All this, of course, comes after U.S. chopper was downed near the Strait of Hormuz.
The United States saying that it was hit by an Iranian drone, and that it holds Iran responsible for that. In the overnight hours, there were
explosions that could be heard, according to sources, in places like Bandar Abbas, but also on an island near the Persian Gulf.
The U.S. saying that it struck radar installations and surface to air missile batteries, but the Iranians are saying that a water desalination
plant was also struck knocking out drinking water in parts of that region. Of course, all of this comes as the situation in the Persian Gulf, and
specifically in the Strait of Hormuz, remains extremely volatile, with the U.S. and Iran trading blows in that area over the past couple of days.
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But also, as Iran and the United States are still trying to find a way to reach a memorandum of understanding that would end the hostilities between
the two countries, and then pave the way for broader peace negotiations. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Tehran.
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ANDERSON: Right, well, Belfast is a city on edge today, this after shocking scenes of anti-immigrant violence there on Tuesday. The response to a
brutal knife attack, they say. Homes, busses, cars satellite as masks, crowds roamed the streets. Local officials say the demonstrators targeted
the homes of ethnic minorities.
You can see some people kicking in a door in this video. Prime Minister Keir Starmer has condemned the violence. The unrest followed this shocking
attack on Monday. A Sudanese man has since been charged with attempted murder after another man was repeatedly stabbed before passers-by
intervened.
Well joining me live from Belfast is Paul Doherty. He's an Independent Counselor for West Belfast and a Former Deputy Mayor of the city. And Paul,
just describe the atmosphere, if you will. And just how you feel about these scenes of violence playing out in your own city yesterday afternoon?
PAUL DOHERTY, INDEPENDENT COUNCILOR OF WEST BELFAST: Yeah, well, the violence we witnessed last night was absolutely appalling, you know homes
were attacked, businesses were targeted, livelihoods lost this morning, and innocent families were tired simply because of the color of their skin or
where they came from, and that in itself is absolutely shocking.
Today, you know, I'm here at a community solidarity hub in the center of Belfast, and we're working to support those families, we're working to
ensure that people feel safe and they can be safe in the common days, and a lot of that includes being rehoused, some homes were burnt to the ground,
some people had their cars vandalized and burnt also, and people don't feel safe today.
And we're trying to show a little solidarity, we're trying to be there for people, and we're also trying to talk down many of the people who are
getting involved in a lot of this violence right across the city right now.
ANDERSON: Yeah, you are city councilor, former deputy mayor, you're clearly very involved in civic life. How big a problem is there where you are with
racial tension in the city?
DOHERTY: There has been ongoing issues for many, many years here now, and obviously, as you had mentioned at the top of the piece, in regards to, you
know, we had a very serious issue this week when a man in the north of the city was involved in a horrific attack, and you know that attack has been
shared, you know, globally on social media.
It's quite horrific, and our thoughts are with him and with his family, but you know the person responsible will face the full force of law and
justice, and you know at the minute people and communities are being attacked as a result of that, and I think that is very unjust, and it's
very unfair, and people are suffering as a result.
And what we've seen here is racist violence, what we've seen is criminality, we've seen mob rule, and the victims, including many families
with very young children, are frightened or scared, nowhere to turn, and that is totally unacceptable. And I think what I've been starting, been
trying to do on the ground in communities in Belfast is bring this down to a human level.
And say to people, you know, imagine when you're talking to your children, and at night, you know, the fear, the trauma they would feel if men entered
their house in mass and started to burn their houses down. So, we're trying to get that message across today, and really getting people to reflect on
the impact.
The negative impact that this has had on so many families right across Belfast. You know, I grew up hearing stories of families in my community in
West Belfast who were burnt out of their homes as a result of being from the Catholic religion. People still carry those scars and that trauma today
that has lasted from the troubles, and we cannot allow anything like that to happen again here in Belfast in 2026.
What happened last night was disgraceful. Families were targeted, people were targeted as a result of the color of skin or where they came from, and
that was totally unacceptable.
ANDERSON: The suspect in this case is being held without bail, facing an attempted murder charge. I hear what you're saying. I'm sure your views
shared by many. You talk about the fear, you talk about the concern, and you talk about the sort of conversations that need to be had.
How concerned are you, firstly, about more unrest as early as tonight. We also facing a summer period here, off time sadly we see this sort of
discontent and unrest over the summer period when perhaps youngsters are out in the summer holidays.
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I mean, how concerned are you about whether or not you know people are listening at this point? Further violence, and about these conversations
that you know need to be had. You know, how concerned are you about whether or not you know people are listening at this point, and whether those
conversations are really going to land?
DOHERTY: Absolutely, you know, I'm very concerned, and the immediate priority has been, you know, we've been working around the clock, we're
working overnight, and the priority today must be about protecting families, preventing further violence, and ensuring that those responsible
are identified and brought before the courts.
But there's also urgent work for political and community leaders, not just in Belfast, but right across the Northern Ireland. There needs to be
leadership on the ground in these communities where this is happening. You know, statements being issued from a distance are not enough, you know,
political representation in areas of Belfast.
Right across Belfast, which has been affected, need to be present, you know, speaking directly to people, talking them down, and telling them
clearly, stop attacking homes, stop targeting businesses, and stop terrorizing families. So very difficult conversations need to take place
today.
Certainly, I've been involved in a lot of those conversations. I've been on the ground as well, but people don't want this. The vast majority of people
don't want this. I know I mentioned the troubles I mentioned about, you know, people may be looking back, and there's reflections today of people
saying, you know, this is taking us back to very dark days.
People don't want to be there. The one shiny light through all of this, and the one positive I can take any positiveness, is that people are stepping
up every day and today, and calling to this hub and saying, what can I do to help, looking out for other people. I think you know I'm talking here
about Belfast.
You know, I think as a society globally, I think we need to look in that direction. We need to kind of look at solidarity, decency, and basic
humanity, and look out for other people. You know, people are suffering here as a result of this racial hatred. It's happening in Belfast, it's
happening in the south of Ireland, it's happening in the UK, it's happening all over.
But within that, you know, I certainly feel a bit more reassured that so many people are stepping up and saying no, not in our name.
ANDERSON: Well, it's good to have you, Paul. Thank you very much indeed for your time. Let's hope things do calm down. Paul, referencing that tensions
have been building in Northern Ireland for years, over migration, over housing, over asylum policy last June, violence flared in Ballymena.
This time, after two 14-year-old Romanian boys were arrested and appeared in court, they were accused of the serious sexual assault of a teenage
girl. That case sparked days of anti-immigrant violence. Right in Belfast, the summer of 2024 saw both anti and pro immigrant demonstrations.
They were triggered by the stabbing death of three young girls in Southport, Northern England. False reports at the time claim the
perpetrator was a Muslim immigrant, when in fact he was born in the United Kingdom. Well, she survived against all odds. Now this little girl from
Gaza is thriving in a new home. Little Beaver's incredible story of survival is up next.
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ANDERSON: Update on what is an incredible story of survival. Now, a Palestinian girl thriving a year after being medically evacuated from Gaza.
My colleague CNN's Jomana Karadshe first brought us the Habiba Al-Askari story. She now visited the little girl at a new home in Jordan with her mom
and her big brother.
A warning, Habiba and her family have overcome an enormous amount, and some of the video in her story of survival is disturbing.
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JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The little girl that captivated the hearts of so many on her journey to the brink of death and
back, a journey that we brought you a year ago that began in Gaza's hospitals, where doctors had nothing left to save Habiba Al-Askari, the
Palestinian toddler, was suffering from a rare medical condition with gangrene spreading in her body.
Her mother, through CNN, appealed for help. Following our report, Jordan's King Abdullah ordered Habiba's evacuation for urgent lifesaving treatment.
We're now back in Amman to visit Habiba. Seeing Suhaib, her only brother, and their mother, Rana, again is an emotional reunion for me and Producer
Abeer Salman. We found a totally different Habiba, a happy and chatty child.
HABIBA AL-ASKARI, EVACUATED FROM GAZA: Matchy, matchy.
KARADSHEH: Habiba, how old are you?
AL-ASKARI: 3.5.
KARADSHEH: 3.5, that's how old Habiba is now.
AL-ASKARI: Come here.
KARADSHEH (voice-over): Her spirit and smile almost makes you forget what she has been through, a life-altering triple amputation.
RANA YOUSIF, HABIBA'S MOTHER: If she arrived earlier, they wouldn't have to amputate her arms neither her leg. They delay of her arrival delayed
everything and caused everything that happened to Habiba. May God not forgive those who were responsible, I do not forgive them.
KARADSHEH (voice-over): Israeli authorities never gave a reason for repeatedly delaying Habiba's evacuation last year. As soon as she got here,
doctors told us to save her life, they had to amputate both her arms and right leg.
YOUSIF: Habiba couldn't stop asking me, mom, where are my arms? Mom, where are my fingers? Mom, where is my leg? So, I told her, your hands are in
heaven. So, we had two options, Habiba, either, God forbid, you die. And I explained her what death means. Or we amputate them so you stay alive.
So, I asked what would be her choice? She said, I don't want to die.
KARADSHEH (voice-over): Habiba was excited to take us around this compound that's now home, the SOS Children's Village, a refuge for Jordanian
orphans, that's now also hosting families from Gaza receiving treatment in our man. Rana is a mother on a mission making sure nothing feels out of
reach for her baby girl.
The other rock in Habiba's life has been Suhaib, his sister is his whole world and he is hers. But beneath that brave face and warm smile is a 12-
year-old boy's trauma that has in many ways been overshadowed by his sister's ordeal. As we sit down for a chat, it doesn't take long to see
that so high to carries the hidden scars of Gaza.
SUHAIB AL-ASKARI, HABIBA'S BROTHER: What I went through cannot be forgotten. A child's mind can not comprehend these things.
KARADSHEH: What are these things?
S. AL-ASKARI: Bombardment, hunger, destruction, martyrs, bodies strewn in front of me. When we were displaced, I would have to skip over bodies.
KARADSHEH (voice-over): But it's remembering how Habiba once was that breaks him.
S. AL-ASKARI: I remember how she used to run, to come to me. When I was carrying the water -- When I was carrying the water, she would run to me
wanting to help.
KARADSHEH (voice-over): He notices Habiba is looking at him. It seems he has to hold it all in. After running around all day, Habiba has had enough
of her prosthetic leg.
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She wants to show us her --
KARADSHEH: She feels pain, that's why she asked to take her prosthetic off.
KARADSHEH (voice-over): To try and get her mind off the pain. I ask, what she enjoys doing.
AL-ASKARI: I like to sing.
KARADSHEH: Sing me a song. Habiba enjoys singing
KARADSHEH (voice-over): For Rana being separated from her husband and her children from their father is incredibly hard, but returning to a Gaza in
ruins would be a death sentence for Habiba, she says. Habiba has found a new chance at life. She's starting nursery now.
The road ahead will not be easy, but nothing seems impossible for this determined little warrior who is ready to fight the odds. Jomana Karadshe,
CNN, Amman.
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ANDERSON: And we will be back with more news in just a minute.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back. I'm Becky Anderson in Abu Dhabi. You are watching "Connect the World". These your headlines this hour. We are watching for
any further unrest in Belfast, Northern Ireland today. The city saw shocking scenes of anti-immigrant violence on Tuesday.
Protesters, they say, angered over a horrific stabbing attack allegedly carried out by a Sudanese man. Well, Donald Trump warning Iran that it will
quote, pay the price. The U.S. President says Tehran is quote, taken too long to negotiate a deal, his words. No details yet on what that price
might be.
His warning follows a new wave of U.S. strikes against Iran after U.S. army helicopter went down near the Strait of Hormuz. Well Graham Platner won the
Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate in Maine, despite a campaign marked by scrutiny over his past behavior.
He will now face Republican Senator Susan Collins, a longtime incumbent. November's race could be a critical test for Democrats in the states trying
to wrest back control of the upper chamber. Bill Gates' relationship with Jeffrey Epstein back in the spotlight as the Microsoft CEO testifies behind
closed doors today on Capitol Hill.
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Congressional investigators are expecting to depress him on the extent of his relationship with the now disgraced financier. All right, let's get you
to the opening bell on Wall Street. It is about to ding Iraq doing the honors today. It is Wednesday, that is the start of the trading day, and
we'll let the stock markets just settle in a little bit.
The indexes of the S&P and NASDAQ take a little bit longer. The DOW, though, launching with a better four tenths of 1 percent drop on the open.
Well, investors will be digesting the latest reading on U.S. inflation. It topped 4 percent for the first time in three years. The U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics says consumer prices rose at an annual rate of 4.2 percent in May.
Prices likely driven higher by the war with Iran. High energy costs, of course, accounting for nearly 60 percent of that monthly increase. Well,
Wall Street also about to witness a slew of AI IPOs. OpenAI, the latest company to join this race in listing after its two rivals, Anthropic and
SpaceX, announced plans to go public recently, with SpaceX market debut expected as soon as Friday.
Well, the valuation of the three AI companies is estimated at get this $3.5 trillion combined, that is the equivalent of France's GDP. Well, joining me
now to discuss this IPO frenzy, and let's call it that, because it certainly does feel like that. Everything tech is no other than friend of
this show, Shelly Palmer, out of New York City this morning.
Good to have you, Shelly. Let's start with this combined valuation. Is that number even realistic?
SHELLY PALMER, CEO OF THE PALMER GROUP: You know, there are some people who don't believe a number that high could be realistic, but if you think about
what these companies are doing and the adoption globally of the technologies we're talking about, they're probably undervalued.
And I know that sounds crazy, and believe me, this is not financial advice, I'm not a financial advisor, but if you just look at what the potential of
SpaceX is, when you think about how they're going to handle their subscriptions, the satellites they deploy, the data centers they put in
space, the content distribution network that comes from that, there's this literally the sky's the limit, pardon the pun.
And you know that that's sort of where we are. Yeah, the valuations seem insane, but not if you think deeply about the next five years and what
we're likely to see happen in technology.
ANDERSON: Yeah, and I know that you are very positive about what we are likely to see these big three are eyeing money from retail investors,
people like you and me, and that's mostly because, frankly, they have exhausted likely most of their other financial avenues at this point.
Though you know the private sort of equity and credit markets have been very, very involved in financing these -- the rise of these companies,
there is a risk, of course, that the last party, the retail investor, could get burned in all of this, right?
PALMER: Of course, again, I'm not trying to give financial advice, and my optimism isn't really about the market itself, my optimism is about the
technological speed with which everything is happening. We've never seen anything go at this speed before. You've got Anthropic using AI to write
AI, so too with OpenAI.
All the frontier builders are now in exponential growth and exponential improvement. And so, we're looking at robots, we're looking at data
centers, we're looking at governments and private sector trying to use space as the next frontier, to quote, Bill Shatner's opening to Star Trek.
So that my optimism is about what has to happen based on what's going on, not so much about whether retail investors, you're 100 percent right,
they've run out of private money, so, or I shouldn't say run out.
ANDERSON: Yeah.
PALMER: They've exhausted every house of private money. They're going to go to the public sector. And is there going to be a dip afterwards? I can't
predict the markets any better than anybody else, but I am very sure that we are looking at a future that these companies are very well positioned to
bring us, and barring any normal unforeseen circumstances the known unknowns.
ANDERSON: Yeah.
PALMER: I can't tell you about the unknown unknowns, but with the known unknowns, I think they're in a, you know, very good place.
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ANDERSON: Yeah.
PALMER: And as far as evaluations are concerned, your guess is as good as mine. How this is actually going to work when they IPO.
ANDERSON: Yeah. Yeah, know, I mean, it's I hear on all of this. I hear you. Here's what President Trump had to say about these companies going public.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We're talking about it, where the American people can benefit from the success of AI. And
by doing that, they can like it better, because we're leading China, we're leading everybody in the world with AI, and we want to keep it that way.
It's like you make them a partnership in this revolution, would be a beautiful thing --
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ANDERSON: And he has suggested that the U.S. government itself needs a stake in these companies. He's put almost no guardrails on AI, during his
administration, other than a recent executive order just last week calling for AI companies to voluntarily submit their new models 30 days prior to
release.
I mean, regulating AI is going to take a lot more than that, isn't it? How do you believe the U.S. government should be going about this? Frankly --
what is, frankly, an existential issue?
PALMER: So, we can't group all AI into one bucket, and I think people are making the mistake doing that, military-grade AI and AI that you and I can
get to. We just saw Anthropic Release Fable 5 yesterday, and there they restricted certain kinds of inquiries on biology and also on model
building.
So, you give that you technically can't distill down Fable 5, because they will not allow that query. So, there's a couple things that are good, and a
couple things that are bad. One, knowing that the frontier model builders, or the foundation model builders, can determine what it is you get to see,
or what it is you get to ask, does tell us that there is some level of regulation that is possible.
That's the good news. The bad news is everything I just said. There are a very few people who have immense control over what can and cannot be
searched, what cannot be researched, what you can and cannot do with AI. At that point, or at this point today, based on what Anthropic did yesterday,
I think it's important for the government to figure out what role it's supposed to play.
Obviously, national security is the social contract we have with the U.S. government. They're going to, we're going to pay our taxes, they're going
to keep us safe. So, what they need to do, that they should be able to do. We also need to stay on top of AI in a way that no other country comes
close, because truthfully, he or they or it who dominates AI is going to dominate this planet for the foreseeable future.
That is the technology is required. Its intelligence decoupled from consciousness. It must be managed technologically. That's the role of
regulators. We have to see if we can get some nuanced conversation, but do not make the mistake of calling all AI the same thing.
That is a really bad idea, and it also doesn't give you the right mental model for how to move forward.
ANDERSON: You always talk a lot of sense, and it's why we have you on. Thank you very much indeed. And I just want to close this out with the
following, Anthropic's Co-founder is still optimistic about achieving safeguards. Have a listen.
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JACK CLARK, CO-FOUNDER OF ANTHROPIC: We've done this before. In the height of the Cold War, under highly tense situations between rivalrous countries,
they found ways to stabilize aspects of the nuclear arms race, aspects to build confidence building measures, ways to build verification treaties.
All of this has been done before in other domains, and it may need to be something we do in the domain of AI.
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ANDERSON: Well, back like she never left. Serena Williams making a winning return to tennis. More after this.
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ANDERSON: Bill Gates's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein back in the spotlight as the Microsoft CEO testifies behind closed doors today on
Capitol Hill. CNN's Annie Grayer is across the latest from Washington, D.C. And he, what is Gates likely to be pressed on by congressional
investigators today?
ANNIE GRAYER, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: Well, Bill Gates actually spoke to reporters before this closed-door interview began, where he said he is
happy to be here voluntarily, and he wants to find justice for survivors, but lawmakers have a lot of questions for Bill Gates.
He is mentioned in the Epstein files hundreds of times, he is referenced in emails, in phone calls, in calendar invites, but most interestingly, there
are these two draft emails that have some explosive allegations in there, where Epstein allegedly was writing an email to himself that he never sent,
where he claimed that he helped Gates set -- he helped set Gates up with women, and he helped Gates get medication to hide a sexually transmitted
infection from his then wife Melinda.
Now Bill Gates vehemently denies these allegations and says they are completely not true. These emails were never sent and they are completely
uncorroborated, but Gates does say that he regrets ever having any interactions with Epstein, and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are
going to get the opportunity to question Gates behind closed doors today, where we expect this interview to go for hours, Becky.
ANDERSON: Good to have you, and apologies, Bill Gates, of course, is the co-Founder of Microsoft and former head. Good to have you. Thank you.
Serena Williams, back in the action on the pro tennis court. "World Sport" up next. With more on that, I'm back in 15 minutes. See you then.
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